Yeah, I think it’s fine and a huge improvement over the Arcade1up. Are there better options of available? Sure, but this works for me. I can’t deal with the size, cost and maintenance of real tables.
Great review! I have real pins and the AtGames HD pin. When the HD had lag when it came out then I moved to one of my real pins I was hitting the flippers way to soon. I want to get the 4K but I am holding off till they get the bugs worked out. By the time I mod my HD pin for 4K, I would be in it for more than what this pin cost. Zen on PC has no lag if you have a good gaming PC. I think the lag could have been avoided with beefier hardware.
Hey, thanks! I don’t have a real good gaming PC right now. They have come out with a few updates and the tables are playing better, even Addams family. I’m actually playing Addams family with the visual extras on now and it’s not bad. Not perfect, but not bad.
Thx for the review! I just got an email that the Attack from Mars tables with the SSF kit installed are back in stock. Trying to resist purchasing but it's getting hard!
Thanks! I’m really having fun with this machine. The next generation, Star Trek table and the twilight zone table play great. I guess there’s just something weird with the Addams family table.
Thanks Digital Victory! it might be just me, but the latest update might’ve improved the lag a little bit. And you’re right, after a few plays, you do get used to the timing. I’m probably gonna do another update video where I’m a little more positive on the machine. Twilight Zone is excellent, imo.
They didnt even give you the proper chrome legs and lockdown bar. The black doesnt look right because the real machine didnt use black, they used chrome.
I appreciate the video. When you mentioned having all the visual extras (ball trail, animations) off, please advise how to do that. I've searched all through settings and haven't found that option. Thanks!
So when you get into the game, hit the button with the green swirly logo on it then go down to settings and you’ll see floating scores, ball trails, and visual extras. I turned all that off.
Thanks for this - I’ve somehow managed to hold out on buying one of these virtual pinball tables all this time, perhaps my days are numbered. I really really want one just been so convinced I’ll regret buying it or spending more time trying to “fix it” vs actually playing it…
Hey, thanks for watching. I think this is gonna be all about expectations. I was looking to improve my arcade one up attack from Mars and this certainly did that. It’s not perfect yet, but if they keep working on it, like promised, they should be great. If all else fails, I’ll just talk it up to my PC down the road. But I’m happy with it.
I have said this all over the forums on fb. I don't think it's the graphics, I think the api is not prioritized over the physics. If you play it you will see the lag gets worse when physics are calculating. If I had to guess, I would say that whenever Zen laid off half of their staff writers I started recording these things, they laid off a couple of key people who know how to get the latency down on different hardware. I'm going to guess that they don't know how to prioritize what is going on with the API request right now, and they don't have anybody smart enough to code it. They most likely go to port, I thought they were done, and just kept on people who were able to run, or build automation that can continue to keep porting the assets. If you play Addams Family you will notice the lag gets insanly unpredictable during Seance Mode when the physics are being worked the hardest. To the point it's honestly unplayable for someone who has the lag timed. Hopefully they get it straight because they announced yesterday, 45 more game packs which means this should get the bulk of what Zen has to offer natively on Pinball FX Aside from expired licenses.
Thanks for the review! You rock! Man... why do ALP's have so much flipper lag?! I have the original table and wanted to upgrade, but I think I'll keep working on my own build. Once I switched to my homegrown build, all my flipper lag went away.
Hey, thank you. I’ll do an update video, but I am really enjoying it. It feels like it needs one more adjustment on those Zen games. But twilight zone and Star Trek plays really well. Cheers.
Setup mine last Friday.. the trick I did getting out of box was opening top, lift box up to stand, cut tape off bottom and unflapped cardboard, then very carefully say back down hold unit inside. The just lifted box off. Then stood back up to put legs on. Lag wise, garbage until I turned off both trails and number popups. I kept animations on. Playable after. The ball does to a lag stutter rolling down sometimes, very annoying. Haven't bought Adam's or Star trek, waiting to get better
I feel your pain on building this thing by yourself. I’m probably gonna hold off on Star Trek until other people. Let us know how that one plays. The first three Star Trek tables aren’t looking so playable yet.
I wanted the attack from Mars Pitbull Machine but Had already pre-ordered the Addams Family so I have the Adams Family pinball machine now I would like to play the attack for Mars on it Which I think is so unfair That you can play Adam's family but I can't play attack from Mars So I'm a little jealous of that right now😂😂😂😂😂 great video I'm happy to see you posting the pinball machine so I can see how it looks and it looks amazing 👏🏽 👏🏽👏🏽
Hey, that’s a great point. I can play the game that you have on your machine, but you can’t play mine. I think they’re afraid to post attack from Mars on the website to purchase until they figure out the lag. It’s definitely coming your way soon. Thanks for checking out the video! I hope you have a good experience with the machine. Fingers crossed.
First of all, that’s a pretty bad ass logo. You have next to your name. Greatest American hero? Yeah, I took a leap of faith. I held off until I saw the attack from Mars table. They have to take care of this, right? (Nervously and hopefully asking rhetorically). Based upon some of these comments, I’m gonna have to get that extended warranty. 😬
I was thinking about buying this when I can afford it. Trouble is, I don't know if it ships to Australia, and the lag on some tables can be an issue if you want to play more than one.
They’ve been sending patches to fix the lag and it’s working. Addams family is fixed and the new release from universal already had the fix on them and they play great. I would have no worries about the flipper lag. In fact I’m gonna do a new video on it soon. As far as shipping to Australia, I can’t help you with that one. Cheers!
@@EvrydayErik That's great, because I had my eye on this particular pinball machine for some time. But I will still wait until I have the money and space for it, assuming I can get one that ships to Australia.
I bought a Star Trek. The lag on those Zen tables make them unplayable for me. And the other included tables are hideous. I stopped playing the machine entirely. I just ordered a new PC and am going to get that setup to play OTG.
Crap, I’m sorry to hear that. I was Looking forward to the next generation table. I’ll confess, part of the reason I made this video is to get other peoples opinions on their experience. Thanks for sharing. I’m still enjoying it, but I’m probably gonna switch to OTG as well very soon.
So I got the new Star Trek the next generation table. I absolutely love it. I think it’s the best playing Zen Studios release date. If there is any lag, it’s not bothering me. I highly recommend it.
Cool! Can I ask you a really embarrassing question? Is there any special way to turn it off? I’ve just been hitting the power button underneath to turn it off, but it just doesn’t seem right.
Lol, I hear ya. Apparently, Zen Studios did not design these games specifically for this machine, hence the problem. They claim they’re going back to the drawing board in an effort to improve them. Time will tell.
As much as I love Zen Studios for their achievements in virtual pinball, as much I don't trust them any more because they haven't fixed years of bugs in FX3 and now there are the same and new bugs going unfixed for months now. There's not much communication going on about them, therefore I'll buy their tables only when heavily discounted.
@@EvrydayErik After trying VR I could never see myself playing any other way. Aside from the complete lack of lag, the depth perception alone is worth it.
I want a Virtual pinball machine so bad....but running at ONLY 60 Hz and the input lag just kills it for me...Please give us an option for ATLEAST 120Hz and no more than 2ms input delay(preferabbly 1ms).
The megahertz was a concern of mine. But I don’t think I’m bothered to by that. The flipper lag has been improved. Honestly, if they can do one more slight adjustment I think they fixed it. I’m not too upset about it because I think I’m gonna go OTG on this thing eventually. I’m playing this a lot and I don’t have buyers remorse.
Been ignoring the Zen tables because the flipper lag is so bad. Adamms Family and Snoopy are unplayable. The Magic Pixel tables run flawlessly. Zen needs to fix this asap.
I’m really enjoying the Star Trek: next generation and twilight zone tables. I think they play pretty good. I’m not thinking about lag when I’m playing them.
I did watch it, the episodes are short. It was fine. More backstory probably setting up the live action TV shows. Not terrible, but I already forgot it.
It’s getting better and it’s so close to being good. You really notice a little lag when you go from the Zaccaria and Gottlieb tables (which play perfect) to the Zen tables. Otherwise you do get used to it how the zen tables play. I think if they could just give it one more tweak, they’d be done. Still, the table that needs the biggest tweak is Adams family.
I'll measure in a few on mine. I didn't think mine would fit where I have it and it does. I also have mine on 4" casters raising it too much. Gi e me a few and I'll reply.
I got drug out of my house for dinner and forgot to send this. I think mine from the legs, just like you said, is about 77 inches. However I have the feet taken off of it and I have casters on it
So the SSF kit, not SFX kit Iile I incorrectly said in my video, sounds truly amazing (like a real ball) on the Zaccaria games. But it’s not very noticeable on the Zen Studio games sadly.
I just spent $1,300 on a decorative, non-working pinball machine. Received my Attack from Mars 4K pinball. Couldn't even play it due to the server issues that were down for almost a week. Once I got it up and running, they mapped the solenoids to where they aren't the same button on each side. Then you have the flipper lag. On top of that, three pixels just went out on my play screen. Put in a ticket and they proceed to give me a link to a UA-cam video with 39 views explaining how to change out the buttons? Absolutely horrible. Stay far, far away from these machines until AtGames can prove they can put out a quality product.
Lol, I can’t argue with you. My ultimate plan will be to hook up my PC to this thing. That will probably solve the lag for sure. That will be another video.
@EvrydayErik I'm not sure I agree with you. I have 4 cabs and each one came with instructions and everything I needed to build. Also...everything works when powered!
OK, I didn’t time it or anything official. I was just going off my gut. You’re saying I just suck at Addams family which could very well be true. Can I ask you a really stupid question? Is there a better way to turn this thing off other than hitting the power button underneath it?
I think the pc board they designed was just not powerful enough. They try to cut absolutely every corner to make this as profitable as possible. My suggestion is get a pc, get 4k virtual pins if possible. I wish they would make an unbranded, zero license pinball. Pass the savings down, let us provide our own software and use their pin as the peripheral, especially with 4k monitor. Not sure why they don’t. It would be the best deal hardware wise. Other virtual pins r at least 5k if decent.
I’ll eventually hook this up to a PC. I will say I downloaded Star Trek the next generation and it plays pretty well, although it looks like they decreased the resolution a bit on the table.
I got #16. The game will be available for all machine may 6th I think. Somewhere around that date. I also have Addams family. Both side by side. I think Addams family is a little more laggy. I think they're gonna have a law suit on their hands if they don't fix this soon. Theyre continuing to sell broken software.. It's been almost 7 months now. When they revield the machine during that classic gaming expo last oct. Not much changed.
It’s weird, because when I test the flipper Addams family seems to be better than maybe I represented. But there is something going on with that machine. Both are close. Yeah they probably should’ve tweaked things before the rollout. They keep promising their work on it, so fingers crossed. I want to buy that Star Trek next month, but I am thinking about holding off until I watch some reviews.
I know there were better options if I was willing to put the time into it, but this is working out for me. The latest twilight zone table plays really good.
It looks better than other comparable tables. It's a great alternative to classic pinball machines that are expensive to buy, maintain, and repair.
Yeah, I think it’s fine and a huge improvement over the Arcade1up. Are there better options of available? Sure, but this works for me. I can’t deal with the size, cost and maintenance of real tables.
Great review! I have real pins and the AtGames HD pin. When the HD had lag when it came out then I moved to one of my real pins I was hitting the flippers way to soon. I want to get the 4K but I am holding off till they get the bugs worked out. By the time I mod my HD pin for 4K, I would be in it for more than what this pin cost. Zen on PC has no lag if you have a good gaming PC. I think the lag could have been avoided with beefier hardware.
Hey, thanks! I don’t have a real good gaming PC right now. They have come out with a few updates and the tables are playing better, even Addams family. I’m actually playing Addams family with the visual extras on now and it’s not bad. Not perfect, but not bad.
Thx for the review! I just got an email that the Attack from Mars tables with the SSF kit installed are back in stock. Trying to resist purchasing but it's getting hard!
OTG works 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks! I’m really having fun with this machine. The next generation, Star Trek table and the twilight zone table play great. I guess there’s just something weird with the Addams family table.
Excellent video Erik!!
yeah, there's lag, but it's *so* slight, it just takes a few balls to get used to. I dig it!
Thanks Digital Victory! it might be just me, but the latest update might’ve improved the lag a little bit. And you’re right, after a few plays, you do get used to the timing. I’m probably gonna do another update video where I’m a little more positive on the machine. Twilight Zone is excellent, imo.
They didnt even give you the proper chrome legs and lockdown bar. The black doesnt look right because the real machine didnt use black, they used chrome.
The black "dots" on the side artwork are not defects.They are on the original pin from 1995.They are not on the A1up.
Cool, thanks. Yeah this artwork is so much better than the Arcade1up version. I’m still happy with it.
AFM had chrome legs and lockdown bars. Something A1up got right and At games didnt
I appreciate the video. When you mentioned having all the visual extras (ball trail, animations) off, please advise how to do that. I've searched all through settings and haven't found that option. Thanks!
So when you get into the game, hit the button with the green swirly logo on it then go down to settings and you’ll see floating scores, ball trails, and visual extras. I turned all that off.
Thanks for this - I’ve somehow managed to hold out on buying one of these virtual pinball tables all this time, perhaps my days are numbered. I really really want one just been so convinced I’ll regret buying it or spending more time trying to “fix it” vs actually playing it…
Hey, thanks for watching. I think this is gonna be all about expectations. I was looking to improve my arcade one up attack from Mars and this certainly did that. It’s not perfect yet, but if they keep working on it, like promised, they should be great. If all else fails, I’ll just talk it up to my PC down the road. But I’m happy with it.
Hardware is capable. Taito, Zaccaria and Taito work flawlessly. It’s a zen thing
That’s what I’m hoping. Because the other companies’ tables run great.
I have said this all over the forums on fb. I don't think it's the graphics, I think the api is not prioritized over the physics. If you play it you will see the lag gets worse when physics are calculating. If I had to guess, I would say that whenever Zen laid off half of their staff writers I started recording these things, they laid off a couple of key people who know how to get the latency down on different hardware. I'm going to guess that they don't know how to prioritize what is going on with the API request right now, and they don't have anybody smart enough to code it. They most likely go to port, I thought they were done, and just kept on people who were able to run, or build automation that can continue to keep porting the assets. If you play Addams Family you will notice the lag gets insanly unpredictable during Seance Mode when the physics are being worked the hardest. To the point it's honestly unplayable for someone who has the lag timed. Hopefully they get it straight because they announced yesterday, 45 more game packs which means this should get the bulk of what Zen has to offer natively on Pinball FX Aside from expired licenses.
Thanks for the review! You rock!
Man... why do ALP's have so much flipper lag?! I have the original table and wanted to upgrade, but I think I'll keep working on my own build. Once I switched to my homegrown build, all my flipper lag went away.
Hey, thank you. I’ll do an update video, but I am really enjoying it. It feels like it needs one more adjustment on those Zen games. But twilight zone and Star Trek plays really well. Cheers.
Setup mine last Friday.. the trick I did getting out of box was opening top, lift box up to stand, cut tape off bottom and unflapped cardboard, then very carefully say back down hold unit inside. The just lifted box off. Then stood back up to put legs on.
Lag wise, garbage until I turned off both trails and number popups. I kept animations on. Playable after. The ball does to a lag stutter rolling down sometimes, very annoying. Haven't bought Adam's or Star trek, waiting to get better
I feel your pain on building this thing by yourself. I’m probably gonna hold off on Star Trek until other people. Let us know how that one plays. The first three Star Trek tables aren’t looking so playable yet.
I wanted the attack from Mars Pitbull Machine but Had already pre-ordered the Addams Family so I have the Adams Family pinball machine now I would like to play the attack for Mars on it Which I think is so unfair That you can play Adam's family but I can't play attack from Mars So I'm a little jealous of that right now😂😂😂😂😂 great video I'm happy to see you posting the pinball machine so I can see how it looks and it looks amazing 👏🏽 👏🏽👏🏽
Hey, that’s a great point. I can play the game that you have on your machine, but you can’t play mine. I think they’re afraid to post attack from Mars on the website to purchase until they figure out the lag. It’s definitely coming your way soon. Thanks for checking out the video! I hope you have a good experience with the machine. Fingers crossed.
There were a handful of us who warned of this last year. Unfortunately we were correct and zen needs to figure this out asap.
First of all, that’s a pretty bad ass logo. You have next to your name. Greatest American hero? Yeah, I took a leap of faith. I held off until I saw the attack from Mars table. They have to take care of this, right? (Nervously and hopefully asking rhetorically). Based upon some of these comments, I’m gonna have to get that extended warranty. 😬
I was thinking about buying this when I can afford it. Trouble is, I don't know if it ships to Australia, and the lag on some tables can be an issue if you want to play more than one.
They’ve been sending patches to fix the lag and it’s working. Addams family is fixed and the new release from universal already had the fix on them and they play great. I would have no worries about the flipper lag. In fact I’m gonna do a new video on it soon. As far as shipping to Australia, I can’t help you with that one. Cheers!
@@EvrydayErik That's great, because I had my eye on this particular pinball machine for some time. But I will still wait until I have the money and space for it, assuming I can get one that ships to Australia.
@@Cyberbrickmaster1986 you won’t regret it, I highly recommend picking it up. I had the arcade one up one, and I upgraded to this one. I’m very happy.
I bought a Star Trek. The lag on those Zen tables make them unplayable for me. And the other included tables are hideous. I stopped playing the machine entirely. I just ordered a new PC and am going to get that setup to play OTG.
Crap, I’m sorry to hear that. I was Looking forward to the next generation table. I’ll confess, part of the reason I made this video is to get other peoples opinions on their experience. Thanks for sharing. I’m still enjoying it, but I’m probably gonna switch to OTG as well very soon.
i have noticed more flipper lag the older I get.
You gotta take your time and gently Cradle the balls. No rough stuff.
Why is there no depth to all the tables on the Atgames platform? They almost look 2d. ☹️
The Zaccaria and Gottlieb tables look and sound pretty convincing. Zen is struggling but twilight zone plays well.
Did u try the new star trek tables and the new tv table pack ? If u do get them are you going to review them?
So I got the new Star Trek the next generation table. I absolutely love it. I think it’s the best playing Zen Studios release date. If there is any lag, it’s not bothering me. I highly recommend it.
@@EvrydayErik nice
Got #162 here!
Cool! Can I ask you a really embarrassing question? Is there any special way to turn it off? I’ve just been hitting the power button underneath to turn it off, but it just doesn’t seem right.
@@EvrydayErikthat’s the only way to power off the machine currently & likely will be for the lifespan of this unit
3 months on, flipper lag still not fixed!!!! Why???
Lol, I hear ya. Apparently, Zen Studios did not design these games specifically for this machine, hence the problem. They claim they’re going back to the drawing board in an effort to improve them. Time will tell.
As much as I love Zen Studios for their achievements in virtual pinball, as much I don't trust them any more because they haven't fixed years of bugs in FX3 and now there are the same and new bugs going unfixed for months now. There's not much communication going on about them, therefore I'll buy their tables only when heavily discounted.
@vihar1911 I hear ya. 😔
Yes, i think it's better than Arcade 1up too, but unfortunately that little lag...
Yeah, they keep promising. They’re working on it. We shall see.
If you haven't tried VR yet do it. Absolute ZERO lag. Trust your Uncle Joe;)
I’ll look into it. Looks like zen is starting to figure it out with TNG and Twilight Zone.
@@EvrydayErik After trying VR I could never see myself playing any other way. Aside from the complete lack of lag, the depth perception alone is worth it.
I want a Virtual pinball machine so bad....but running at ONLY 60 Hz and the input lag just kills it for me...Please give us an option for ATLEAST 120Hz and no more than 2ms input delay(preferabbly 1ms).
The megahertz was a concern of mine. But I don’t think I’m bothered to by that. The flipper lag has been improved. Honestly, if they can do one more slight adjustment I think they fixed it. I’m not too upset about it because I think I’m gonna go OTG on this thing eventually. I’m playing this a lot and I don’t have buyers remorse.
Been ignoring the Zen tables because the flipper lag is so bad. Adamms Family and Snoopy are unplayable. The Magic Pixel tables run flawlessly. Zen needs to fix this asap.
They can't
Starting to think so too.
I’m really enjoying the Star Trek: next generation and twilight zone tables. I think they play pretty good. I’m not thinking about lag when I’m playing them.
Will you review Tales of the Empire?
I did watch it, the episodes are short. It was fine. More backstory probably setting up the live action TV shows. Not terrible, but I already forgot it.
I want Medieval Madness!
Me too!
Is the game lag free now?
It’s getting better and it’s so close to being good. You really notice a little lag when you go from the Zaccaria and Gottlieb tables (which play perfect) to the Zen tables. Otherwise you do get used to it how the zen tables play. I think if they could just give it one more tweak, they’d be done. Still, the table that needs the biggest tweak is Adams family.
Unacceptable and just one of the reasons I didn’t buy one of these. Saving for an Extreme Gaming Pinball machine instead, the best in the market.
You’ll get no argument for me. I hear ya.
How tall is it with the topper on
THX
I'll measure in a few on mine. I didn't think mine would fit where I have it and it does. I also have mine on 4" casters raising it too much. Gi e me a few and I'll reply.
It’s about 78 inches high
I got drug out of my house for dinner and forgot to send this. I think mine from the legs, just like you said, is about 77 inches. However I have the feet taken off of it and I have casters on it
How is the ssf kit on Mars attack?
So the SSF kit, not SFX kit Iile I incorrectly said in my video, sounds truly amazing (like a real ball) on the Zaccaria games. But it’s not very noticeable on the Zen Studio games sadly.
The tables are not advertised in 4k i wonder why wake up folks you got a 4k screen but not 4k hardware to run it
I’m not trying to be cute, but my eyesight is crap nowadays, it looks good enough to me.
I just spent $1,300 on a decorative, non-working pinball machine.
Received my Attack from Mars 4K pinball. Couldn't even play it due to the server issues that were down for almost a week. Once I got it up and running, they mapped the solenoids to where they aren't the same button on each side. Then you have the flipper lag. On top of that, three pixels just went out on my play screen. Put in a ticket and they proceed to give me a link to a UA-cam video with 39 views explaining how to change out the buttons? Absolutely horrible.
Stay far, far away from these machines until AtGames can prove they can put out a quality product.
Wow, OK now I’m truly terrified of what I might run into. I might have to get that extended warranty.
That lag is unacceptable
It is. I’m taking a leap of faith here. I hope they can tweak it.
i would not spend that money for something "i can live with", i stick to my diy vpx a lil bit longer.
Lol, I can’t argue with you. My ultimate plan will be to hook up my PC to this thing. That will probably solve the lag for sure. That will be another video.
@@EvrydayErik I where tempted to get one, it's a nice machine if they take care of the lag
Really wanted to enjoy the gameplay, but it’s not for me.
Michael, you’re the greatest basketball player I ever saw play. I wouldn’t worry about any dumb pinball.
@@EvrydayErik - Thank you.
The buttons are cheap that’s why you got a lil lag, you need new leaf switch’s
I watched a few videos to show me how to replace the arcade deck last night and saw that. I’ll get on it. Thanks!
Selling unfinished products and sending without any assembly instructions? WTH. Lazy...terrible job by At Games.
It looks like they’ve adopted the A1up business model.
@EvrydayErik I'm not sure I agree with you. I have 4 cabs and each one came with instructions and everything I needed to build. Also...everything works when powered!
I feel the opposite. Attack from mars has terrible lag, and Adam's Family is almost perfect.
OK, I didn’t time it or anything official. I was just going off my gut. You’re saying I just suck at Addams family which could very well be true. Can I ask you a really stupid question? Is there a better way to turn this thing off other than hitting the power button underneath it?
@EvrydayErik that's the only way I know of.
Thanks!
I think the pc board they designed was just not powerful enough. They try to cut absolutely every corner to make this as profitable as possible. My suggestion is get a pc, get 4k virtual pins if possible. I wish they would make an unbranded, zero license pinball. Pass the savings down, let us provide our own software and use their pin as the peripheral, especially with 4k monitor. Not sure why they don’t. It would be the best deal hardware wise. Other virtual pins r at least 5k if decent.
I’ll eventually hook this up to a PC. I will say I downloaded Star Trek the next generation and it plays pretty well, although it looks like they decreased the resolution a bit on the table.
I got #16. The game will be available for all machine may 6th I think. Somewhere around that date.
I also have Addams family. Both side by side. I think Addams family is a little more laggy.
I think they're gonna have a law suit on their hands if they don't fix this soon. Theyre continuing to sell broken software.. It's been almost 7 months now. When they revield the machine during that classic gaming expo last oct. Not much changed.
It’s weird, because when I test the flipper Addams family seems to be better than maybe I represented. But there is something going on with that machine. Both are close. Yeah they probably should’ve tweaked things before the rollout. They keep promising their work on it, so fingers crossed. I want to buy that Star Trek next month, but I am thinking about holding off until I watch some reviews.
Looks terrible. Atgames is garbage just like most devs these days
I know there were better options if I was willing to put the time into it, but this is working out for me. The latest twilight zone table plays really good.