GAC's new Aion V is the most efficient electric car EVER
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- GAC's new Aion V is the most efficient electric car EVER
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I live in Shenzhen and I see Aion all over, mostly the Carola size sedans. Rode it it for Uber rides. Quite nice cars. Nothing super fancy, no nonsense reliable car
GAC: this is the most efficient electric SUV ever!!
Upcoming Model Y Juniper: hold my Giga beer.
Google is great
The Aion V is a battery-electric compact crossover SUV produced by GAC Aion. The first generation was launched in 2020, with a major facelift variant called the Aion V Plus launched in 2021. The second generation model was launched in 2024.
Any info on how scalable this design is?
@@NoWastedCalories Most taxi in Shenzhen are Aion, you go on the road, you will see it within a minute. and 40000 Aion had been sold in May.
I also like AION EV.
Anyway, competition is good for customers
Aion is coming to Australia around July of 2025
Really ?
Just because you can't buy it, doesn't mean its a bad product.
In some ways, Chinese EV is a huge game changer, e.g BYD Seagull at first being mocked by many, yet could change a certain country Ban and Tariff policy not long after a UA-cam channel imported and tested a BYD Seagull.
It surely hit a panic button in that country
I don't trust the numbers until Tesla Björn have driven his 1000km test.
Aion has been tested in China every day as many taxis were using.....
'Bring Your Dollars'.. spat my coffee.. lol
Without knowing the miles per kwh how do we know how efficient it is?
Becuase they said so. Some sat the Earth is flat also. 🤣🤣🤣
clik bait as usual on the channel
@@JoeyBlogs007Everybody knows that EVs do much better on a flat earth. When we finally do get proof that the earth is flat, I will order a Chinese EV. But not before then.
The range could be improved by up to 30% in most current EVs if the consumer could accept good to moderate acceleration compared the hyper acceleration, most EVs have now. This is because high power cells hold less energy compared to high energy cells. There is no need for such ridiculous acceleration. It's time to focus on efficiency and range.
Right off the bat, I actually think the Aion is one of the best looking new EV's I've seen. It strikes me the same way as when I first saw the new Honda Prologue EV. I would like to know how many miles it goes per kWh of electricity. That's my favorite measure of efficiency. (kWh per 100 Km) Anything that will give me a clue how far it can go on a given amount of energy. I'm ultimately looking for cars that can get me 5 miles per kWh or better.
I’m using AION Y PlUS and I can say it can meet your needs.
Yeah another underrated EV company, their Aion Y Plus is one of the best seller in China. They are very good in bringing space into the car.
Canada gets below -30° C in the winter in a lot of places...as low as -55°C at times. The Northern U.S. gets extremely cold too.
Aion are huge in China, and have Haiwei tech
Minus -30 C is an average overnight temperature in much of the Rocky mountains during the winter. The cold part of winter in Wyoming is Dec to March. The winter before this one, the daytime high never got to 0 C (that is it did not get above freezing) during any day for 3 months. Cold weather performance in an EV matters unless you are happy to have EV's limited to urban commute toy cars. Also, during that same winter, most EV charging stations stopped working after about 9 or 10 PM as the temps fell.
I think it looks good!
Revux's team is top-notch. Expecting big developments soon!
It looks so “aerodynamic” this airbender.
600 miles ? outstanding, can't wait for it to come to the UK, going to negate Tesla's charging station advantage, gone, in a flash !
it looks good
ICE engines of any size have too many moving parts, compared to electric..
EV drivetrain is so much better.
I own both an EV and an ICE car and the ICE moves past three chargers the EV has to stop for three hours at (1 hour each). I don't care how many moving parts it uses, it's moving past EV's that matters most. Too many EV zealots have too few brains.
@@aussieideasman8498 One word, fumes.
@@jaaklucas1329 All things considered - not just one. Would you have kept the horse and cart?
@@aussieideasman8498 Good analogy. EV drivetrain is so much better EVEN if it was run on an ICE generator! My grandfather told me at the time when people first saw the car they laughed at the idea it would replace the horse. One reason why horses had to go in towns was pollution .......horsecrap in the streets! In our situation, pollution is in the air we breathe and we need to stop burning stuff for energy.
GAC has only existed since 2017. Last year production 480,000. That’s phenomenal. As is the car.
Aion was 2017. GAC as a company has been since 1960's..... GAC Toyota has been making Toyota's since early 2000s.
I believe it is founded in 1955.
I've lived in Alberta, Canada for 5 years. We could hit -40 there.
You leave your car outside in winter?
3:58 BTW: Nokia (HMD) still producing buttonphone till to date.
I'm also amazed, I wonder if it's actually true.
Want one!
Blowing their loads 😂
No Xpeng Motors do not lie, they are even better than what they pretend! The vehicle durability and the WLTP are very very easily overpassed even in very very cold conditions, even at high speed... The range is always more than indicated, and the 20 minutes required to recharge the battery stays always the same, with risk of battery damages nor capacity reduction!
I always look at the backup system if anything goes wrong.
We need to know how many KM per kilo watt hour to understand its efficiency. How does their thermal management work etc.
While it isn't in production yet the Aptera has a coefficient of drag of 0.13 and an efficency of 100 wH/mile.
If my conversion is right that is 62 wH/km.
The Avion V apparently gets 15.80 kWh/100km. Or 0.158 kWh/km or 158 wH/km.
The Aptera is 2.5x more efficient but that is still impressive efficiency.
Even the fake prototypes have not proven your lying claims.
Why is Sam still not saying anything about BYD’s 2100 km PHEV? Is it because of his hatred of hybrid cars or is it because it’s not Tesla?
...he can't bring himself to admit that Toyota might have been right and that even BYD is hedging it's bet on EV...
ICE efficiency is significantly lower than 32.5% in normal driving - that figure is closer to the maximum available (obtained only at certain rpm and torque level).
Whats with GACs massive flat front ends, whats the drag efficiency?
Aion V already earlier was presented claiming ultra fast charging which they also demonstrated. But I think that GAC is not very serious so far because after presentation nothing happened by then and now the next PR trick. Wait until all that can be seriously tested and serious reports on reliability are available. The car is quite well done but there is lack of trust into such ‚wonder‘ efficiency, ultrafast charging to full under 10 minutes etc!
They did, except they didn't put it onto their Aion marquee, but instead, they put it onto their Hyper series (GT and HT). The HT is slightly faster, at 480KW, 10minutes for 450km range. and the GT is 15min for 400km Range.
That's where their ultra fast charging tech went onto. Aion is more main stream volume, so the tech is not as advanced as their higher priced Hyper series.
We get -30˚ every winter here in Canada.
You leave your car outside overnight?
Hey Sam . What vehicles
Does your family own.
And for how long.....
ICE cars.
@@-V-K-
You sussed him out well :)
They claim Aion V will have 750 km (466 miles) of CLTC driving range.
Knock 30% off CLTC driving range to get to WLTP range. That comes to 326 miles.
Nice enough, but many EVs have that too, so nothing to write home about.
So, why all that hyperbole? 😂
...the Norseman is famous for clickbait...
Sam, did you say: “Blowing their loads.”?
I believe he did … 😅
no one ever saw answers basic questions for example is this car Tesla charger compatible or do you need adapters? 500 400 V what’s the difference? And are there any charges that charge at least please? As I understand it? They only get to about two 300 V at the moment last week. What’s the difference between volts? And I’m pretty sure it’s current charges.
BYD is both The Next Kodak and The Next Nokia right now!!!
How so?
@yddf meant to say Tesla..
You mean when photos first appeared and Phones first available, wholeheartedly agree but the ending might be different.
Unfortunatly little is known about this car. And the range is given in NEFZ only, so hard to compare.
what's the drag area?
I agree with some comments here .. ease down on the excitement on Chinese EVs , yes maybe some of them like BYD is starting to prove their quality etc.
Although lot of them simply cut corners and they appear good on paper.
Let’s see how they run and wait a decade or 2 shall we.
Xiamoni (I never knew how to spell it) anyone?😅
China has been making electric vehicles for a long time already...
If you define long time by 5-10 years than yeah lol
@@Tesla.tricks Yea they are about 10 years ahead. Thats alot of catching up. Tesla even opensourced their patents for the big 3 here, still they lag behind.
U mean lag behind Tesla ?
@@Tesla.tricks Take a look at a factory of a car company that only builds EVs and you can see what is needed to compete.
I am travelling in china. You cansee the AIONs everyvere. Most of our DIDI taxi rides were AIONs or BYD. Super comfortable. You would think that clears the air with all the EVs. Not so. There is a smoke layer over the whole of china. Even in Fujien moutains the villagers trying hard to burn rubbish and tealeaf to smoke in the whole pretty place. But I think there is hope that they can solve this.
So what was the battery size in klw?? What is the kl/hr per klw hellllioooooooooo😮😮😮
There's often a lot of hype surrounding car companies' marketing claims, with the knowledge that not all of it may be entirely true. They can make bold statements knowing that they might not be held accountable until after they've met their minimum profitable sales quota for a particular model. This quota might only take a few months to achieve, after which they're already focused on releasing a new model, and the cycle of hype begins anew. In today's fast-paced market, especially for EVs, the life cycle and attention span for any given model are remarkably short.
No, the most durable cars in the world are now those of Xpeng Motors (G9, X9, G6).
When reliability is the name of the game.
I saw the design of an ultra efficient paradigm shift in private ground transport in the mid '90s at Rocky Mountain Institute (think tank) site. Then, along came Aptera a decade later, following RMI's design. Within a year, the Aptera Sol will be the most efficient transport. Skeptical? Do the research or wait, but don't just discount it out of ignorance.
What the battery chemistry? Impressive range though
Bring back 8 track tapes 😂😂😂
Efficiency via low drag coefficien is useless on narrow hilly wisty roads here in the UK.
It's GAC Toyota Motor
How much money are they making?
Its obvious why other are not talking about them. Motors & batteries are not new technology. Its just basic engineering. Accept that the battery chemistry is new but all based on old technology from mobile phones.
ya i bought the openmoko smartphone that many cell os's developed for it including android before android ,, meego came to the n9 nokia after that, both were squished but sailfish survived.
its beyond logic for people to stomp on new tech , just because their product looses market for lack of innovation nokia ceo nailed meego,but android survived .. sailfish to!!
When a 6lb battery can move a 3000lb vehicle 20/25 miles in snow, freezing cold, sizzling heat, up or down a mountain and still run the heater , AC, radio , power steering and other misc. accessories, like a convertible top movement or cell phone charging then Ev will have a chance, Maybe. There will still be charging issues , battery replacement issues and of course the ridiculous cost issues. Basically that's the E=mc2 of electric vehicles.
You should watch the Chinese extreme winter testing and comparison of all EV's. They drive them for same trip, left out in freezing -40 degree Celcius for 24 hours, then check on it, see which one opens, which one fails. Which one loses charge, which one won't accept charge etc etc etc.
They answer all of your above questions.
@@Charchar18696 Yeah , no offense but there is no such thing as a 6lb battery that carries any significant amount of energy period.
At 20k rpm, with max torque what's the range of the battery? Bet is less than 100miles.
I have explained to you before - don't you read the comments? - a 100% efficient EV motor is more expensive to drive and will travel less distance than a 35% efficient ICE car. My previous 2011 Citroen C5 may have been about 30% efficient, but it would do almost 1,400kms on 70L of diesel. At today's price that would be about $140 or $10 per 100 kms. And it only took 5 minutes to refill after about 16 hours of driving. There's more to efficiency than just range and cost. My BYD Atto3 does about 320kms on a 60kWh battery on the same highway at the same speed. At the average 60 cents per KW (Tesla is 90c) it costs $36, which is over $11 per 100kms. The 1,400kms the C5 can do costs about $160 and for the extra $20 I have a minimum 4 hours more to refuel. A return trip makes that 8 hours as opposed to half an hour - and that's if you don't have to wait for hours at chargers because they are in use. I don't care if the BYD is three times more efficient in the power provider because the C5 has a power source that is 20 times more efficient; costs less and saves a working day off the trip. Stop deceiving people.
Price and miles per kw.
Vaporware
I don't care how good some of us are doing, at the end of the day we have a DEBT problem. Our debt will NEVER be paid back and we are very close to where the market will say enough is enough. I don't owe anything, my cars are paid for cash just like my two homes are but if the government defaults on it's debt then we are all screwed.
For a small country, yeah, it is doomed. But US controls the world financial system and too many rich ones depend on the system. They will try so hard to keep the system running. And US can play ugly if it feels the need, but other countries can't do too much to US.
What complete nonsense. If debt was ever allowed to dictate the rate of change and innovation in an economy we would immediately be cast into a deep and ongoing depression. Debt doesn't exist because something is broken, it is a consequence of a rational desire to support new activity (and mostly profitable business activity over the long term) to satisfy new needs and opportunities.
Credit finance is debt backed and we get nowhere in this world without credit finance. Put another way we accrue assets and increase total equity by acquiring debt temporarily (by using credit which we pay back). But, for a complex economy doing a great number of things debt becomes a permanent feature of the system - asset multiplication and equity increase become sandwiched with debt acquisition. We never pay down the total debt in the system before particular businesses have acquired new debt as the best way for them to achieve their business objectives and to effectively exploit business opportunities.
So, complaining about debt as you do is no more than complaining about complexity. Too bad for you.
Now, debt may indeed be acquired for poor and ultimately unjustifiable reasons but if that is the case criticise bank lending practices not the boogie-man debt. Also, in challenging economic circumstances it can become very difficult to sustain high levels of debt while trying to eke out a profitable line of business (especially for a young business) - goodness, it's complexity the whole way round.
One important response in a financial crisis is to reduce financial pressures where possible and to save viable businesses and where that isn't an option to rapidly corterise all serious wounds (using business bankruptcy provisions) and force financial institutions implicated in the trouble to take the haircuts that are necessary to rebalance the financial situation and free up resources for more or less normal business again.
So, I agree with you that there is trouble in the world but I don't see your response to that trouble as sensible. Your fixation with debt blinds you to the obvious - debt does not lay at the base of and does not explain all of our economic problems. Debt, sensibly acquired, can help us to electrify all road transport. That would be a wonderful thing. ICE propelled road transport has overstayed its welcome. Emissions from ICE vehicles contribute to pushing the climate of our planet - our only home - into very dangerous territory. That is a foreseeable outcome worth worrying about and taking careful steps to avoid. Don't be shocked if new EV companies acquire debt along the way as they push towards viable operations that capitalise on environmentally responsible business opportunity to decarbonise road transport. It is time to consign ICE to the dustbin of history, where it belongs.
Does silucon carbide mean it contains carbon?
Been around for a long time, very hard and tough. Carborundum was an early use. Diamonds are compressed carbon also.
@jaaklucas1329 Diamonds are used in their natural form, they are not processed.
@@neildolan7177 I was speaking of artificial diamonds. In fact silicon carbide was discovered trying to produce artificial diamonds!
@jaaklucas1329 okay see where you are coming from there. but if we are looking for a low carbon economy, surely we should be developing carbon free products. Current EV batteries have a high carbon footprint because we are putting cost & efficiency ahead of the environment.
-45 to 50 is not uncommon in winter in all of Canada except the West coast (Vancouver) and East coast.
1938: The National Socialist Workers Party has developed a highly efficient ‘People’s Car’! Buy one to show your support for them!
Good point. VW beetle was done at the prodding of Hitler, we all still bought it here.
How many kwh / 100km ????
that what I'd like to know. My 2019 Hyundai Ioniq EV is still the efficiency king as far as i know.
@@3184Patrick Always blablabla from viking and saying nothing at the end.
When seeing this car, I'm not sure about what efficiency really means anymore. I hardly see this car manage a 100 Wh/km.
Presale investments have been my go-to, and Revux is my latest pick. Early birds catch the worm!
Toyata is ahead in making a "door"? Invisible???
A shame this not available in U.S.
It's because you have a democratic elected government that is unable to face competition head on and need NATIONAL SECURITY OR FORCED LABOR TO PROTECT YOU BY using Sanctions and Tariffs.
That's for your benefits due to Overcapacity.
When did you ever talk about this Aion car before??
I don't remember.
The only company you have been talking about for a long time is just Tesla.
BYD have a motor with 46% claimed efficiense.
Gasoline engine with 46% heat efficiency. But if you run it through a transmission, at different speeds and temperatures, what do you get?
A crappy EV electric motor is 90% efficient.
You get the impression with Electric Vehicles that whatever is incredible today is old hat tomorrow.
I like that idea only how do you get it to the United States? The United States is standing up and saying we don’t want to be because they’re too fuel efficient
May be from Mexico if they do have distribution there and drive over into USA legally.
Wow even at 50% fake, the range is still 400km…impressive!
no its not the Aptera is .
No, WILL BE within a year! I have 3 ordered since 2020.
But that not a car, its a 3 wheeler. How efficient are there drivetrain?
@@andders2477 Probably not astoundingly efficient, but the car is small and very streamlined.
Hmm is the Aptera more efficient? I know not mass produced....YET
380 watt hr per Kg!
It is a crime to not allow these great cars to enter west market tariff free. Should be sold tax free also.
I know these Chinese cars won't be sold in the US, but in general are the Chinese manufacturers meeting US crash standards?
They probably won't but meet the European standards no doubt.
They probably won't but will definitely meet the European standards.
3:28 According to Electrek, the Japanese carmakers are collaborating on a smaller ICE engine design that incorporates EV functionality (electric motor, batteries etc.) as a transition to pure EV. More efficient hybrids, in other words. Toyota specifically wants the smaller engine to accommodate its upcoming small EV designs. To me, this seems like a brilliant idea; the world can't just all suddenly switch to BEV tomorrow.
It can
room for solar on roof , why dont these companies just do it
Your audio seems to have got very bad, please check it out before more people notice and complain.
Sounds fine here.
It's ok
Yeah I haven't looked at it on the waveform analysis but it sounds like it's clipped at some point in the chain probably just a hot mic. Last few videos of all been like that.
I told you Sam 🤣 Toyota will crush Tesla
Toyota is dead man standing. They are squirming in the headlights. Will go down in history of companies lead to zero by bad CEOs
Unless it gets better than 100wh per mile, no it's not the most efficient. Maybe the most efficient EV currently in production - until Aptera becomes available. Edit, I looked it up and the most efficient version of the Aion V gets about 212 wh/mile - about half as efficient as Aptera.
Where will it be sold Sam? Please say Australia.
Only problem with Chinese is the marketing does lie. Hard to know if this is true
Run the numbers knowing that nedc&cltc range standards are 30-40% LESS than epa and it means about 4.8miles per kwh.
The best lucid air gets pretty close to that right now. And rawlinson wants to hit 6miles per kwh when they make affordable evs.
Impressive kinda, but it's a puny little weak sauce cuv. A bolt driven at slow speeds once did 500+miles on a single charge year's ago. 👍🏻😀
Now where's the damn aion hyper ssr user review's? That sexy ass 2dr super coupe has been out since sep and crickets on real world reviews?
There's often a lot of hype surrounding car companies' marketing claims, with the knowledge that not all of it may be entirely true. They can make bold statements knowing that they might not be held accountable until after they've met their minimum profitable sales quota for a particular model. This quota might only take a few months to achieve, after which they're already focused on releasing a new model, and the cycle of hype begins anew. In today's fast-paced market, especially for EVs, the life cycle and attention span for any given model are remarkably short.
Half of taxis in China are Aion EVs. Should give you some clues
@@user-uj9fl3rd7n Have a lot more faith when a US reviewer takes it for a spin and talks about the car. Charges it, drives until empty etc. Not saying one way or another but more than a few things from China say one thing and are just not what you think.
@@ChicagoBob123 That applies across the board. E.g. Tesla was fined by South Korea and forced to admit they falsely advertised the driving range of their cars in cold weather, which was about 30% less than advertised.
Aion can't be very large it only sold 11,000 BEVs last month in China. So what if they achieve this "high efficiciency" by having less armour around the battery pack to make it lighter? What if they make it lighter by limiting door steel making it more dangerous in a side impact? What if they achieve it by using more plastic and cheaper steel and having no cooling system in the battery pack? What if they catch fire even more easily than say Teslas? Would it be that great that it is efficient?
Alot of what ifs there!
The technology vector in China is 10x everything other than Tesla; and Tesla has to hustle to stay ahead a minute. We can tariff and tax all we like and China is not going to pause, as they know that we need them more than they need us. kinda scary
Good to see chinese focus on efficiency for once.
bring your dollars LOL
I thought FAW built Toyota Bz4x.
I know Toyota don't build it. Subaru Solterra is same car.
A Game Changer? . . .
This entire decade might be a Chinese game changer.
There is some incomplete information being promoted about the comparative efficiency of ICEV vs BEV. "Efficiency" as commonly used is a measure of the percentage of stored energy that becomes accessible as power from an engine. ICEV typically extracts 20-40% of the energy stored in gasoline, with a theoretical maximum of around 50%. EV's are usually quoted at extracting 90% of the energy stored in their battery. However, gasoline is 100 x more energy dense than a Lithium ion battery. Thus, on a *per kg* basis, ICEV's _in practice, at higher speeds on the open road_ will be more efficient than EV's at providing power to do the basic job of personal transportation (moving people and their stuff from one place to another). However, in cities, where cars spend a lot of time in start-stop traffic, EV's are often significantly more efficient than ICEV's, thanks to energy recovery into the battery on deceleration. That's the benefit of ICEV hybrid's.... providing one car that is relatively efficient in both contexts.
I have made a comment that gives real-world examples of which is more efficient. EV's are way behind, and EV zealots continue to deceive people.
I’m a little confused the biggest thing you’re talking about is it efficiency unless I missed it? I did not hear you say how many miles per kilowatt it gets because that’s what your efficiency is all about
Why can't car makers build cheap cars that look like Ferrari or Lamborghini ? It's just a body, why do the rich get all the sexy looking cars, it makes no since to me. If I can buy a Porsche kit for my VW, then why not A Tesla Mod 3 with a Roadster kit ?
It's not a bad car if you like a dinosaur face car cheers mate
In general car design looks bad these days. There are only very few which I can at least accept.
Teslas design is actually quite decent, but clearly beyond what I would buy.
At times I think car design is made with balloons and some bars stopping them from expanding in the one or other area.
😂
Merci !
I certainly hope all those who think battery operated vehicle are some how efficient ,or more so, as compared to other forms of energy may, buy with their own hard earned dollars one. Then , when in three years your EV"S batteries are dead, years earlier than promised because you dove it though a desert on your way home up near the Arctic Circle. Well at least that what the dealer who sold it to will say on the phone( as driving it there certainly can't happen) when you want to trade it in . He also made clear he didn't want it towed there either. After many many calls and hangups you began to realize he your best buddy when selling to you may not want to chat anymore. Perhaps because he knows your new PAPER WEIGHT tradein is worthless and you still owe a sh*tload on it. . Don't worry though even with those 4 more years of Non deductible payments you'll still be able get a nice new comfy ride, Ebay currently has a great selection of 50cc scooters you can get with free shipping now that your vehicle broke.
I would also bet those doing the EV selling , promoting won't be the one's buying. You know , there's always, "another sucker".