Not a fan of the new lava burst. It looks more like a fire ball instead of pulling lava from the earth and then throwing it. The new animation firball doesn't have enough earth and and smoke in the trail.
I agree that it doesn't feel very fun to lose the interesting talents that interact with cooldown reduction, I just hope that if they decide to keep the changes, that it is to open up design space for cool tier sets that would have been not possible if they remain in the game
Farseer should have at least a talent to reduce the cd of primordial wave and AS each time a spell is cast. It was the thing the entire hero talent revolved into.
The cooldown reduction talents actually made leveling fun for me and less of a hassle compared to previous expansions where I'm waiting on cooldowns compared to other classes that could just face roll through some enemies. Taking them away is just going to put us into the same spot and make soloing content harder. The whole point of being a Flame Ascendant was that we could just keep tossing out Lava Burst. Why would I want to cast Lightning Bolts when I'm in that form? If they're going to put Lava Burst on cooldown when you're in that form then just get rid of it and make it an Elemental Ascendant that encompasses all the elements at once. Now that Lava Burst will consume the timing on Flame Shock, it's going to be much harder to keep down timings. As for the form changes themselves, they could have easily just made an ethereal elemental form of your character like your ancestors so all the other races aren't suddenly turning into this tall slender build looking being. Make it look like WE actually ascend so we still look like our character/race. If you want to get fancy, give us some cosmetic options like druid forms. I'd much rather have that compared to the cookie cutter form that EVERY shaman no matter their race suddenly turns into.
They seem to be turning the spec into a bargain bin version of Fire Mage (without the survivability). All the damage will be in in the CD window and if you don't get massive value out of it your damage will crater. It'll be really strong for High key premade M+ groups that can abuse uncapped Earthquake on huge pulls and will comparatively suck for normal players where pulls are too small and stuff dies too fast to get proper value out of it.
not being able to lower the CD of primordial wave and NS is so painful to the farseer build. if anything i would have wanted them to swap that talent to give CD on lava burst instead of lightning bolt because barely even feels good to lava burst on farseer.
defensive shaman CDs have been an absolute atrocity for well over a decade now. I have been petitioning for them be be vastly improved for the better part of 15 years and no one has given me anything approaching a reasonable justification for why they are so comparatively terrible. We are far beyond the point where the "hybrid tax" has been a thing, and DPS off-healing is almost entirely useless in challenging endgame content. Paladin's certainly don't seem to pay a defensive tax, and they have literally the best offhealing potential of any DPS spec. Atrocious defensives have been the proverbial foot on the throat of the Shaman class in Mythic Plus since it's inception.
Retri suffers from immobility though. Always has. There’s a reason for the wheelchair paladin meme. The original hybrid classes still suffer from having been hybrids 20 years ago.
Ps. Elemental defensive are amazing right now. I used to always be the main target in arena now I don’t get chased nearly as much. I’ve got so many ways to peel and eat dmg.
Great to see a video from you. I have to correct one statement: ASC gives up to 6 targets fs. Its a bug with dummies. in open world it works as intendet.
I wish there was lightning version of ascendance for ele shaman . So you can pick between a fire lob cd or a lightning enhanced cd. Would love to have an ascendance and a deeply rooted elements version for lightning . Should have a talent that makes the lava burst turn in a ball of molten lightening or something so we can have a build with those cd
Love your comprehensive breakdown even though I don't play Shaman anymore. I'd like to hear similar thoughts on Survival from someone. Imo it got completely gutted and ruined with this new ptr build.
As of right now I don't think there is a comprehensive guide for M+, raid /ST/AOE builds. Let's worry a bit more when the time gets closer. How the hell does Bliz balance shit when they make fundamental core changes?
It says TARGETED earthquake because there is one version of earthquake where it drops under your TARGET and another where you manually place it down. That way they don’t focus adds and stay on your target.
@@jawnskii_na I know this exists, obviously. It shouldn’t only apply to targeted earthquakes though but all earthquake casts. I think it does it’s just weird why they wrote it the way they did.
Even though I understand the flash of lightning change feels bad, it was pidgeonholing both hero talents to spam lightning. And i imagine itd be a hard talent to balance around.
Yooo, Barakoshama! I am coming back to WoW as a long time Ele/Resto Sham. I took 6 years off to start a business and finally have time again. I'm looking forward to playing Shaman again (Holy and Ret alt). Really, I'm just coming back to get KSM and some light raiding as i dont have too much free time (2-3 hours for two days a week). Edit: I have to say I like throwing meatballs more than fireballs. 😢
I like most of the changes, It looks like they are trending toward MoP shaman. - Shaman really was not designed to be a pet class, the fact that we have near 100 percent up time on what was supposed to be one of our CD's felt like bad design. (didn't frost mage go through this with there elemental?) - I hope they now start to buff the damage that the elementals do for us to compensate. - Lava burst being a spell that is used to weave into our rotation would be great, but like you said they nerfed it so bad that its almost worthless, they just need to rebuff the damage of it to make it worth casting again. - I don't like that now the elementals are not 100 percent up time it hurts our defense, I hope they just get rid of Primordial bond and just bake the DR into our class. - Increase the DR/Shield strength of our 2 main Defensive CDs to make up for the loss of CD reduction talents. Or make the base CD shorter for those talents. - Due to Lava surge being gutted, I don't see why LMT is still only spreading FS to 3 targets, lets just get it to all 6 targets. - I agree, get rid of that new Erupting lava talent, and make it increase the duration of our FS's when a lava burst is casted on the target. - Farseer needs a complete revamp to have it work better with the new look ele.
I think they're going to buff Lvb by 100% soon. It use to be hard hitting back in the day and now there is no longer a spam gameplay they can go down that route again.
So! We were in a perfect spot for a very short time. At first, we got nerfed, but we kept our cool. We were still happy. Suddenly, almost entire side of our right talent tree got yeeted the fudge away. They took away a massive part of our defensive as well as OFFENSIVE CD ( SO WE ARE BACK TO NOT HAVING A REAL CD, BASICALLY, WHY AM I EVEN SUPRISED AT THIS POINT ) Build diversity is gone, obviously. Everything related to fire can now go f itself, but hey, look, a new animation! An animation of a spell that you will NEVER SEE CAST ANYMORE, because of the changes to the talent tree! In return, we received some buggy DRE proc, that gives us one flame shock (sprinkled with a whole lot of fucked up shit on top of that) I think I am so angry because WE JUST GOT REWORKED, AND WE WERE HAPPY FOR A TINY MOMENT IN TIME!! Why REMOVE Skybreaker's Fiery Demise? I, personally, would be more satisfied with a simple aura nerf, than changing ALL OF THIS. Who is making the calls to randomly change specs, and why does he do it? Out of boredom? To piss us the fuck out? Is it freakin funny? Oh how the earth fucking trumbles beneath my quakes. There's a song the fits this perfectly. It is "Sky is over", by Serj Tankian. IF the changes stay this way (honestly I would be fine with just reversing all of these, because it has potential to ruin the spec time and time again) so IF the changes stay, Skybreaker's Fiery Demise is over, our talent tree is on its head, but look, we can now tab target like a psycho, because my lightning CAPACITATOR (NOT ROD, OK), is doing insane damage. Having said that, new elemental shamans abandon the spec, cause they cba to tab target on every spender, they will just make a warrior and do a whirlwind. More experienced players will also be unhappy, cause tab targeting will remain the only dynamic that's left in our, once again, slow paced spec. Everybody looses if this goes through. Thanks for your attention if you made it through this wall of text, i'll go now and waste a global on a Healing surge proc that heals for what 7% of my HP pool. I'm afraid it wont be enough, though.
Mmmm this feels like they are trying to turn elemental into a bargain bin fire mage. Not a fan of the ascendance changes regarding lava burst. The whole point of being a flame elemental was to... use fire/lava... not lightning. Honestly eh with these changes.
Billion dollar game company cant make smt new how cool...this is all old shts ..lighting rod spaming chain lighting and eartquake .all is old asf ...also this hero talent anscestor .is not anything good all pasiiv and kinda buggy smt ...they just goblolins gamemaker making for money they not love game bc that they cant make smt good and fix
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Not a fan of the new lava burst. It looks more like a fire ball instead of pulling lava from the earth and then throwing it. The new animation firball doesn't have enough earth and and smoke in the trail.
I agree that it doesn't feel very fun to lose the interesting talents that interact with cooldown reduction, I just hope that if they decide to keep the changes, that it is to open up design space for cool tier sets that would have been not possible if they remain in the game
Farseer should have at least a talent to reduce the cd of primordial wave and AS each time a spell is cast. It was the thing the entire hero talent revolved into.
A new talent or choice node or SOMETHING. I agree.
The cooldown reduction talents actually made leveling fun for me and less of a hassle compared to previous expansions where I'm waiting on cooldowns compared to other classes that could just face roll through some enemies. Taking them away is just going to put us into the same spot and make soloing content harder.
The whole point of being a Flame Ascendant was that we could just keep tossing out Lava Burst. Why would I want to cast Lightning Bolts when I'm in that form? If they're going to put Lava Burst on cooldown when you're in that form then just get rid of it and make it an Elemental Ascendant that encompasses all the elements at once. Now that Lava Burst will consume the timing on Flame Shock, it's going to be much harder to keep down timings.
As for the form changes themselves, they could have easily just made an ethereal elemental form of your character like your ancestors so all the other races aren't suddenly turning into this tall slender build looking being. Make it look like WE actually ascend so we still look like our character/race. If you want to get fancy, give us some cosmetic options like druid forms. I'd much rather have that compared to the cookie cutter form that EVERY shaman no matter their race suddenly turns into.
They seem to be turning the spec into a bargain bin version of Fire Mage (without the survivability). All the damage will be in in the CD window and if you don't get massive value out of it your damage will crater. It'll be really strong for High key premade M+ groups that can abuse uncapped Earthquake on huge pulls and will comparatively suck for normal players where pulls are too small and stuff dies too fast to get proper value out of it.
not being able to lower the CD of primordial wave and NS is so painful to the farseer build. if anything i would have wanted them to swap that talent to give CD on lava burst instead of lightning bolt because barely even feels good to lava burst on farseer.
I know right!? Grandma Build is dead with these changes.
defensive shaman CDs have been an absolute atrocity for well over a decade now. I have been petitioning for them be be vastly improved for the better part of 15 years and no one has given me anything approaching a reasonable justification for why they are so comparatively terrible. We are far beyond the point where the "hybrid tax" has been a thing, and DPS off-healing is almost entirely useless in challenging endgame content. Paladin's certainly don't seem to pay a defensive tax, and they have literally the best offhealing potential of any DPS spec. Atrocious defensives have been the proverbial foot on the throat of the Shaman class in Mythic Plus since it's inception.
Shaman is in a pretty solid spot defensively now and I feel like on the tankier side in m+
Retri suffers from immobility though. Always has. There’s a reason for the wheelchair paladin meme. The original hybrid classes still suffer from having been hybrids 20 years ago.
Ps. Elemental defensive are amazing right now. I used to always be the main target in arena now I don’t get chased nearly as much. I’ve got so many ways to peel and eat dmg.
@@mithrandirthegrey7644 and you're losing it in 11.0.5
i really wish blizz returned some of the fun mobility of mop shamans like being able to cast lightning bolt while moving.
Great to see a video from you.
I have to correct one statement: ASC gives up to 6 targets fs. Its a bug with dummies. in open world it works as intendet.
@@shaluzar well I’m happy to say I am glad I was wrong about this part haha.
@@barokoshama1995 but it will not help with our fs spread when we have this every 3 min xD
Finally someone talking about FOL legit made it viable with the cd red
Hi Barokoshama! good to see you again
I wish there was lightning version of ascendance for ele shaman . So you can pick between a fire lob cd or a lightning enhanced cd. Would love to have an ascendance and a deeply rooted elements version for lightning . Should have a talent that makes the lava burst turn in a ball of molten lightening or something so we can have a build with those cd
I would like it like the enhancement version but as a caster
Love your comprehensive breakdown even though I don't play Shaman anymore. I'd like to hear similar thoughts on Survival from someone. Imo it got completely gutted and ruined with this new ptr build.
Wish I had enough drive to do this for every class honestly, but I’m only human!
As of right now I don't think there is a comprehensive guide for M+, raid /ST/AOE builds. Let's worry a bit more when the time gets closer. How the hell does Bliz balance shit when they make fundamental core changes?
It says TARGETED earthquake because there is one version of earthquake where it drops under your TARGET and another where you manually place it down. That way they don’t focus adds and stay on your target.
@@jawnskii_na I know this exists, obviously. It shouldn’t only apply to targeted earthquakes though but all earthquake casts. I think it does it’s just weird why they wrote it the way they did.
I'm hoping some of these changes get reverted, there is still hope blizzard walks back some of these changes
Even though I understand the flash of lightning change feels bad, it was pidgeonholing both hero talents to spam lightning. And i imagine itd be a hard talent to balance around.
Well now it’s just a bad talent with the change, it’s really negligible and doesn’t impact the class at all.
love a barok guide! hate the changes.... hate em.
Yooo, Barakoshama!
I am coming back to WoW as a long time Ele/Resto Sham. I took 6 years off to start a business and finally have time again. I'm looking forward to playing Shaman again (Holy and Ret alt). Really, I'm just coming back to get KSM and some light raiding as i dont have too much free time (2-3 hours for two days a week).
Edit: I have to say I like throwing meatballs more than fireballs. 😢
The changes they made mean we are never going to have overlapping elementals .
@@Dragonovaa yeah that’s what I mentioned in the video!
@@barokoshama1995 I was so frustrated, I had to comment straight away. I heard you mention it later . 🫣
and this sucks... Are we shaman or are we mages?
Yes! The Ele Shaman Guru!
They just need to bring back the old Lava Burst animation. Nothing like hurling a Wotlk Lava Burst lol.
Why my talent tree dont look like this?
So we’re just burning crusade Ele with extra steps?
I like most of the changes, It looks like they are trending toward MoP shaman.
- Shaman really was not designed to be a pet class, the fact that we have near 100 percent up time on what was supposed to be one of our CD's felt like bad design. (didn't frost mage go through this with there elemental?)
- I hope they now start to buff the damage that the elementals do for us to compensate.
- Lava burst being a spell that is used to weave into our rotation would be great, but like you said they nerfed it so bad that its almost worthless, they just need to rebuff the damage of it to make it worth casting again.
- I don't like that now the elementals are not 100 percent up time it hurts our defense, I hope they just get rid of Primordial bond and just bake the DR into our class.
- Increase the DR/Shield strength of our 2 main Defensive CDs to make up for the loss of CD reduction talents. Or make the base CD shorter for those talents.
- Due to Lava surge being gutted, I don't see why LMT is still only spreading FS to 3 targets, lets just get it to all 6 targets.
- I agree, get rid of that new Erupting lava talent, and make it increase the duration of our FS's when a lava burst is casted on the target.
- Farseer needs a complete revamp to have it work better with the new look ele.
I think they're going to buff Lvb by 100% soon. It use to be hard hitting back in the day and now there is no longer a spam gameplay they can go down that route again.
i hope they can hear you brother, i wish it too atleast 30% or 50%. smth would be great tbh
So! We were in a perfect spot for a very short time.
At first, we got nerfed, but we kept our cool. We were still happy.
Suddenly, almost entire side of our right talent tree got yeeted the fudge away.
They took away a massive part of our defensive as well as OFFENSIVE CD ( SO WE ARE BACK TO NOT HAVING A REAL CD, BASICALLY, WHY AM I EVEN SUPRISED AT THIS POINT )
Build diversity is gone, obviously. Everything related to fire can now go f itself, but hey, look, a new animation! An animation of a spell that you will NEVER SEE CAST ANYMORE, because of the changes to the talent tree!
In return, we received some buggy DRE proc, that gives us one flame shock (sprinkled with a whole lot of fucked up shit on top of that)
I think I am so angry because WE JUST GOT REWORKED, AND WE WERE HAPPY FOR A TINY MOMENT IN TIME!!
Why REMOVE Skybreaker's Fiery Demise?
I, personally, would be more satisfied with a simple aura nerf, than changing ALL OF THIS. Who is making the calls to randomly change specs, and why does he do it? Out of boredom? To piss us the fuck out? Is it freakin funny?
Oh how the earth fucking trumbles beneath my quakes. There's a song the fits this perfectly.
It is "Sky is over", by Serj Tankian.
IF the changes stay this way (honestly I would be fine with just reversing all of these, because it has potential to ruin the spec time and time again)
so IF the changes stay, Skybreaker's Fiery Demise is over, our talent tree is on its head, but look, we can now tab target like a psycho, because my lightning CAPACITATOR (NOT ROD, OK), is doing insane damage.
Having said that, new elemental shamans abandon the spec, cause they cba to tab target on every spender, they will just make a warrior and do a whirlwind. More experienced players will also be unhappy, cause tab targeting will remain the only dynamic that's left in our, once again, slow paced spec.
Everybody looses if this goes through.
Thanks for your attention if you made it through this wall of text, i'll go now and waste a global on a Healing surge proc that heals for what 7% of my HP pool. I'm afraid it wont be enough, though.
Hidden buff: echo chamber went from 10% to 40%
RIP Ele Shaman, was fun first half of expansion. Time to play some other game.
Mmmm this feels like they are trying to turn elemental into a bargain bin fire mage. Not a fan of the ascendance changes regarding lava burst. The whole point of being a flame elemental was to... use fire/lava... not lightning.
Honestly eh with these changes.
God these changes feels so stupid snd pointless. I liked the long elementals.
2 most interesting talents gone. Gut shot, really. Quite disappointed in this patch :(
I enjoyed the spec for the 15 minutes it was good. This makes no sense for me.
Thought you quit
Never Quit playing, just quit making content for a while
@@barokoshama1995 great glad to have you back making content😀
I think Ele PvP is dead with these changes. Hope tuning is on point.
I hope not, but I'll be playing my ele/resto and Ret/Holy alt.
I am concerned aswell. All I do is pvp
So they nerfed elly into the ground glad I'd didn't level my xmain. Bull dong blizz always touching stuff that doesn't need it.
So now I just make a mage? This is bullshit.
😢
Billion dollar game company cant make smt new how cool...this is all old shts ..lighting rod spaming chain lighting and eartquake .all is old asf ...also this hero talent anscestor .is not anything good all pasiiv and kinda buggy smt ...they just goblolins gamemaker making for money they not love game bc that they cant make smt good and fix
All these changes feel like shit. The ptr is awful.