Laurence Fox Is The Tip Of The ICEBERG - Laura Bates' Masterclass On Misogyny
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2023
- The rampant misogyny on display at GB News has caused widespread outrage - but has most of the debate completely missed the point?
Laura Bates - founder of Everyday Sexism and author of Men Who Hate Women - tells us what this horrendous incident really exposes.
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Ava Evans’ comments were equally distasteful.
BTW - you’ll need to first define “woman” if you’re playing the misogyny card.
money money money
No thanks
U 2 r crazy far left nutters
I think Laura Bates summed things up when she said that with a rotten government , rotten police force , (and rotten and powerful corporations etc ) ,"it's hard to imagine that much is going to change".
To me , this begs the question "how can one live HAPPILY in a world that is possibly incurably rotten ?"
I've been finding the practice of mindfulness very helpful ......difficult but helpful . Its the only effective antidote to political despair that I've come across in my 72 years .
Political change is important and necessary if we're to continue living on the planet , but id never want my happiness to solely depend on something that unpredictable , and unreliable . If the powerful , poison and destroy the planet , at least I plan to go down with a serene smile on my face .
I am a female who as worked in male dominated fields all my life. My experience is that misoyny is increasing to a level I have never experienced before. The real problem is that the way these people act is just under the legal threshhold of what is deemed as 'threats',' harassment' and 'stalking'. Even when you have evidence of persistent behaviours of individuals over time. Women are viewed by the police as been 'too sensitive', maybe we should 'just behave'. It's awful and my heart goes out to all of us suffering at the hands of a misogynist, it's so alarming and distressing to be treated as such, and laws need to change.
No it isn’t ,most are frightened to death to say anything to a woman at work in case it is ‘misconstrued’.
Absolutely. And with how sexist the police forces always are as well! All the SA the MET cops just ignored is horrifying. They're all like that.
Meanwhile, you have men like @lestrem11 who are too scared to speak because they don't really see women as just people. If you only plan to speak to a woman as a coworker, there's nothing to be worried about. If you don't understand what's inappropriate, that's a whole separate issue. One you can correct through therapy.
Betcha he doesn't ever speak up to stop sexist abuse either. Or any other kind of bigotry. I bet he laughs when it's just "the boys." Then he wonders why women don't like him, I'm sure.
@@lestrem11 Only a man could come up with such a pathetic justification for maintaining the status quo.
I fear you are correct I’ve noticed misogyny and racism are on the increase, we as a country maybe globally are going backwards.
It’s depressing to witness.
@@lestrem11Exactly women are just playing the sex card and everybody knows it. Pathetic they are still getting away with it.
It's' not often I listen to a stream twice in a row but Owen really had the best and most timely of guests here. As a man I am disgusted by what Laurence Fox did. Women need to have legal recourse to this sort of thing and Laura was remarkably calm and civilised about what must be so enraging. She also hit the nail on the head about a "ticking time bomb" where talented British women are being denied or actively avoid pursuing positions of power as they will be judged sexually.
We should not give people like Mr Fox an inch of any public space and he should be shamed and harassed and organisations that fund him know that decent ordinary men have mothers, sisters, daughters and partners and this sort of stuff is just unacceptable,
Great job Owen!
simp
👏👏👏…. Our future sons and daughters deserve more mature male role models like you sticking their heads above the parapet and calling out serial offenders . This “ticking time bomb “ has been hovering on seconds to midnight for far, far too long and it’s LONG overdue that legal boundaries are firmly, finally & non negotiably set in place to stop this trajectory . One strike and you’re out .
All these obnoxiously behaved misogynists are simply slapped on the wrist; disappear for a second & then offered plum positions again. Enough is enough … it’s getting progressively worse
I once read about a blonde woman on LinkedIn who put her picture up and men were leaving comments like "Beautiful" etc, on a social network for professionals! She said that as soon as she dyed her hair brunette, the comments stopped. She mentions about the fetishization of blonde women in particular. Incredible, I didn't realise about this.
maybe she didnt have big enough jugs@@RodZamora_is_the_best
The thing about misogyny is that it it doesn’t just demean women it demeans men as well. It’s very corrosive.
Exactly!👏👏👏
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The thing about Misandry is that it is every bit as bad as Misogyny. It's demeans men but rarely demeans women, not only because it is seldom called out, but is also often celebrated and the women spouting it venerated. It's quite insidious.
@BoojayDeeth now you know how women have felt through the whole of history. I personally believe male and female should be treated with respect and gender doesn't define integrity and character
@@janewright2800 It's hyperbole to say all women have been oppressed for the whole of human history. I am quite aware of how our society operates too. Otherwise we are in complete agreement. I was alluding to the trap of becoming that which you oppose and the inherent hypocrisy that comes with.
There is nothing wrong with having opinions but as soon as you judge someone on their fuckability on national TV you've crossed a line.
Isn't that the same as uncritically referring to people as "incels"?
@@abody499How often does that offend you ?
@@abody499*Shhhhhh. Don't use logic here.*
Simple answer, No.
What makes you think they are the same?
I’m willing to change my mind on this if you give me a compelling reason to.
@abody499 Give is an example where 'people' were uncritically called 'Incels'?. The only occasion I can think of was Laurence Fox himself when he said only incels would fancy Ava. So you're talking about Laurence Fox? Or is the way he used it not what you mean?.
With regard to Angela Rayner crossing her legs to distract Johnson, I thought at the time that it was a load of cobblers, but the people making that accusation were inadvertently saying a lot more about Johnson than it did about Rayner.
Have I just led a relatively sheltered live in my 66 years or is this kind of thing getting much worse? I grew up in the 70s and we were awful sexists in terms of ogling, saying things like look at the kno**ers on that, and expecting our Mums to wash our clothes, do our dinner etc, but no one in my peer group would dream of assaulting a woman or saying these hateful things. Maybe it's always been there and it's just more out there these days.
Part of the explanation maybe is our (I'm 64) generation thought these gender roles were 'normal', so there was no need for men to feel challenged? Feminism has empowered women in the last 20 years and some men find this threatening? Social Media and the rise of the alt-Right is also a factor ..i.e. it allows these misogynistic men to connect with other saddo loners
I understand you're experience is about how you related to the world back then. Mine was very different. As a sensitive man growing up in the 1970s and 1980s I was fair game for a level of psychological abuse that has made me contemplate suicide. The only men can be bad and only women can be victims thing is a product of that time but we need to see beyond that and embrace the reality
Incels - losers who can't find a girlfriend - have always been around , but now are able to vent their frustration on social media. It often takes the form of women-hating rhetoric. Such people tend to watch channels like GB News and characters like Fox know this and provide the content that is meat and drink to their audience base. All very unpleasant.
Domestic violence was worse then -men just got away with it-I’m old enough to know
@@Timothy1976abusers come in all shapes, sizes, ethnicities, genders etc unfortunately, but most abusers are men...
I've listened to Laura's views before, and while she obviously appeals to feminists - she perfectly exemplifies how modern feminism fails men by failing to provide a viable vision of positive masculinity.
If you look at the root cause of this whole furore - Ava's dismissal of the idea that a 'Minister for Men' should instead be a 'Minister for Mental Health' - you see that there is a fundamental delusion regarding the innate gender differences between men and women. Feminists often conceptualize these differences as a 'by-product of the Patriarchy' - but that's far from the full picture.
The problem we currently see is that proponents of "Traditional Masculinity" are mostly conservative and fail to incorporate many of the valid concerns of feminism. While proponents of Feminism are the exact opposite - their vision of eradicating 'Toxic Masculinity' fails to incorporate 'Traditional Masculinity' and presents a 'feminized' vision of what men can and should be.
The thing is - that feminist vision actually does work for some men - getting those men to open up about their feelings and communicate is a very positive thing. Getting men to feel more open about expressing their 'vulnerability' is great. The very big BUT in the equation is that I don't think that approach works for all men.
Men, on average, are simply wired differently. And this feminized vision of male mental health only addresses half of the picture. It provides a wonderful mother figure for men. But where is the father figure?
I think we need a nuanced discussion about the complementary value of combining matriarchal AND patriarchal guidance.
Great interview 👍
A wonderful, articulate, and sane discussion. Thanks both.
Much needed video guys, thank you! 🧡
This was about mens mental health and what was said about having a minister for men and Fox went and insulted incel MEN? I love IRONY.
I think it was trying to be satirical but sadly shouldn't have said it on a public news channel. However it has drawn attention to her nasty, misandrist comments regarding mens mental health when there is an excessive male suicide rate. Two wrongs don't make a right and she should retract her inflammatory callous comments too
@@mike-cl7pb Can you please provide the full quotes of her "inflammatory callous comments"? I'd like to see that you've acknowledged what her words actually were and not what you've been told her words were.
Since trump and brixit the right thank they can say what they want
eh???
I have been horrified by the nature of comments from those who support Brand and Fox. They show a viciousness and total lack of understanding of the reality of abuse of women, of misogyny and of the law. The level of ignorance and aggression is shocking. I am older and pretty tough but it makes me feel I don't want to participate in any form of social media let alone be active in any political or social debate. The statistics about the Met too are frightening.
Thank you Laura and Owen for expressing and explaining explaining these issues so clearly.
Well said Laura. Thank you to you both
Give me the option of a conversation with Ava, Owen, Laura...or Wootton, fox, Clarkson...I would happily chat with the first 3....proper people..empathetic and reasoned..the sooner gb news get shut down the better
There is misogyny everywhere regardless of background, but because Lawrence Fox knows he comes from an established but over privileged acting family and therefore says and acts as if he's beyond reproach. Billie Piper probably sensed later down the line what a complete kn*b head he is and promptly kicked him to the kerb. I can't even watch the repeats of *"Lewis"* because of that tw*t now! I feel sorry for Piper's kids, knowing they have that "thing" for their dad.
I too can know longer watch "Lewis".
Extremely eloquent response. Thank you both.
Fox is the most divorced man of all time
What do they see in him
I do not condone Fox's comments but i find it very concerning that you have not discussed how uneducated Ava Evans comments on mens mental health are. I do not like the Idea that a woman who has the view that mens health does not matter is trying to speak for all women. Most women i have spoken to are more offended by her than fox.
Fox was rude disrespectful towards her , this evans woman is rude disrespectful also
What did she say?
❤ Thank you Laura, Owen too of course.
"algorithmically facilitated radicalization". What a brilliant phrase that perfectly summarises what is happening in the media landscape of 2023.
Great communicator is Laura Bates 👏
This just goes to show how emotionally unintelligent and immature Lawrence Fox is.
so is Eva
@@rossturner8581 "so is Eva"
as indeed you are - you can't even get the journalist's name right 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hope your wrist recovers soon 🙂
They say too much can make you go blind - W⚓
Couldn't agree more Matthew
Well said Matthew.
@@rossturner8581clearly you’re the unintelligent one and part of the problem
As bad as this was, poor Meghan Markle has been dealing with even worse horrific misogyny (on top of racism) for a continuous 6 years now. I wish all those incidents had gotten this much attention as well because allowing it in one situation only emboldens these creeps to do it to more women.
Very true. It also made me mad that her husband's vitally important campaign for men's mental health was written off by eg the Daily Mail as whingeing, just because the media needs hate figures and the Sussexes interfered with the fairy story about the royals. One of the reasons I left Twitter was the totally unhinged racism and misogyny on display.
X to doubt.
I think Meghan Markle was when the British media realised they could get away with speaking like a middle aged pervert at the rugby club, in public again.
He's certainly the tip of something...
Fox is not a mysogynist. Just because someone comes out with something YOU might imagine is something a mysogynist would say doesn't mean they are. I am 57 years old and I don't think I have even met a mysogynist. Stop hyping the faux horror. You just don't like his politics. Stop trying to destroy your opponents with nonsense like this.
Sadly from Johnson to Trump, to the UK political environment to the media to as we’re finding many other not instances but an awful culture.
Such an informative interview. I realise that working in the public eye must being some unwanted attention. The fact that being a woman brings so many more risks and extra prejudice through misogyny is reprehensible and unacceptable...a serious indictment to be embraced by all of us males who care.
Let's be fair none of us believe in censorship but GB News should be shut down the whole org sucks.
If you are going to do that, then you must include: BBC - all channels, ITV, oh and Sky! Jonathan Ross, Russell Brand and Jo Brand come to mind?
force a rename. It definitely isn't news and never has been representative of GB. Maybe "Fox UK"?
So you do believe in censorship?
If you shut GB news down you are just playing into their hands. Imagine the reaction of the tinfoil hat wearers they have as presenters and Nigel Farage would make a big deal about it too.
They are guilty of Stochastic Terrorism
The concept of white, relatively affluent, sexist, "not racist" right-wing men being the most underprivileged and shunned minority in the English speaking word has quite a history: The William Tenn story The Masculinist Revolt (published 1965) is well worth disinterring. It's also very funny.
Fantastic discussion on the issue, thank you! You hit the nail on the head with the fact that with ousting Laurence Fox , GBnews and our media are trying to launder a more underlying systemic issue. We can only hope this galvanises the country into examining our institutions more closely, rather than simply brushing the discussion under the carpet with Laurence Fox.
Unfortunately the Tories have decided to foment a culture war, where they deride anyone trying to examine institutions. You're right that such examination is needed but it is becoming increasingly difficult.
Thankyou both. Appreciated and valued your conversation.
Isn't inciting threats of violence a crime?
I wonder if this kind of behaviour has a common denominator. I would start with public schools if I were looking for one. I doubt I'd need to look any further.
Check out your local Pakistani community.
They certainly inspired a certain Austrian...
It is wrong wherever it happens.
Thankyou Owen and Laura for real insightful conversation
Hitler was also voted in. It does not make any of what he said or did acceptable.
Lol
I DARE LAURA TO TALK ABOUT NORAH VINCENT. SHE COULD NEVER. War on masculine men is the biggest tragedy in our society.
Thank you so much for having the wonderful Laura Bates on as a guest. Her highly informed and clear-sighted analysis of these issues always cuts through all the nonsense to expose where the real problems lie. Everyone should read her books especially Fix the System Not the Women, and Why Men Hate - both excellent and eye-opening on this subject!
@DonTavvit lol. Sealed component units are not meant to be fixed. Built in obsolescence.....What can you fix? Have you got a mechanics pit in your garage? Numpy, grow up.
Women also hate, and the system in the UK works pretty well for upper middle class.privately educated women like Laura Bates.
Totally impressed with the way Laura represents her arguments using common sense, logic and facts .
Laura B = Awesome - her clarity and description of structural mysogny ( and i fear. ) embedded racism was astoundingly sharp.
Agreed! So lucid. I will have to listen again
I disagree, Laura Bates fails to take into account her own class privelidge. That is where the real power lies in the UK, not gender, we all know this deep down. Im from a council estate in NW London and I can tell you that the common denominator isnt whether you are a man or woman, who is more privelidged? A man from a council estate in Doncaster or a woman from a 5 bedroom house in Hampstead or Chelsea?
@rjflores438 I would have to agree. I too. Lived on a council estate in Liverpool. Yes, there are the positioned privileged. Then us lot. Come the Republic.
I started working in the mid seventies as a trilingual PA and I can tell you that looks most certainly count when it comes to getting this kind of job. Fat and not very good lucking women would be illimité very quickly also no one over 35 should apply. This of course was never mentioned as criteria but we all knew.
Afterwards while working for the UN where equality is, supposedly paramount, haha, at most meetings, including men and women, the woman is talked over more often than not and whatever you do you must not get upset otherwise this proves that women are too emotional and sensitive and lastly once you get to a certain level in the company you will see younger men being promoted over you because nudge nudge wink wink they will be more willing to put in more hours.
All the above attitudes are still alive and kicking today
Excellent and cogent arguments.
What a wonderful voice.
Another excellent discussion from the man who walks on water.
laura bates thankyou and well said.
Brilliant. With people like you around I still have some hope, not much but some😥
Wish he was on an iceberg with a nice cuddly polar bear to snuggle up to .
Laura Bates is so relatable, she is clearly an empathetic person
Laura is someone who got me into understanding/expressing my experiences of sexism which empowering me, greatly. Great discussion
The Overton window, I first learnt about that in a book called “the establishment “ who wrote that….?😊 oh yes Owen Jones…
Laura was great!
Sexism is wrong. Men and women should be nice.
Factor in the internet first. Too many elderly people harking back to the '80s and 70's.
Black women need more representation by the Left, a point well put here.
It is getting worse unfortunately but thank you for calling it out. I’m saddened that they don’t get it’s “othering” to distract from what is going on politically
One thing i will add is that often misandry can happen to men from other men. Certain men, usually Beta, with a great chip on their shoulder, abuse Gamma males, males with gentle natures and feminine qualities etc. I have seen it and it has happened to me.
Thank you for your deeply and broadly insightful thoughts, Laura Bates, and really clearly conveyed. Much food for thought
If anyone wants a perfect example of articulate just listen to Laura. One of your best short interviews Owen.
There is a lot more man-hate than woman-hate and that's a fact, proven here.
Excellent points
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Dan wooton has to go
well said 👏👏
Your points on the contrast that allows views that were considered fringe to become mainstream are well made.
Very interesting
It has been a middle-class obsession to scream about 'women's rights', but the middle class are silent on other things...
That's an interesting comment. I have my ideas about that. What are yours?
@@annepoitrineau5650some causes are seen as 'OK' to raise, some cannot be spoken about
Discrimination based on a persons accent for e.g.
@FSMDog identity politics is almost entirely a middle class obsession, especially in the corporate world. I guarantee most working class folk don't care about this oppression race mentality.
MIDDLE CLASS VIOLENCE
Heroes are created by violence and coercion. Often the violence and coercion are of the kind employed by middle- and upper-class families in bringing up their children.
Such families set high standards, punish failure with rejection and humiliation, and, with physical punishments, teach an indifference to physical suffering.
Children brought up this way can often feel powerless.
To give themselves a sense of power and to maintain themselves as individuals they can turn against their parents/ teachers/ State and use what the parent/ teachers/ State taught them to become revolutionaries.
Charles A. Russell and Bowman H. Miller drew a sociological profile of a terrorist, based on a compilation and analysis of published data involving over 350 individual terrorist cadres and leaders from Argentinian, Brazilian, German, Iranian, Irish, Italian, Japanese, Palestinian, Spanish, Turkish, and Uruguayan groups active between 1966 and 1976. They focused in particular on eighteen groups, examining the ‘modern urban terrorist’, as opposed to the rural guerrilla fighter.
The groups included those engaged in transnational actions (such as the Japanese Red Army) as well as those involved locally and committed solely to ethnic struggles … ‘Over two thirds came from the middle or upper classes in their respective nations or areas. In most instances their parents were professional people (doctors, lawyers, engineers …), government employees, diplomats, clergymen, military officers, or sometimes even police officials.
Although these parents were part of the existing social and economic systems, many of them had been frustrated in their efforts to use them as vehicles for upward … mobility.’Clearly, terrorism reflects the old maxim that revolutions are made more by those with raised expectations than by the most severely repressed … ‘Two thirds … are persons with some university training, university graduates, or postgraduate students.’
The ratio rises to 75 percent among the Latin American groups … Most were educated abroad and spoke a second language. Most of the Turkish People’s Liberation Army members were Middle Eastern Technical University students or graduates. George Habash, head of the PFLP (the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine), is a medical doctor. Yasser Arafat, who formally renounced terrorism in the 1985 Cairo Declaration of the PLO (the Palestine Liberation Organization), is a graduate engineer. Giangjacomo Feltrinelli, a millionaire book publisher, was a major figure in Leftist Italian terrorism … Che Guevara was a physician, Andreas Baader an attorney. The Weather Underground, also called the Weathermen - all white, middle- or upper-class, and educated - followed this pattern … Moroccan sociologist and feminist theorist Fatima Mernissi warns that the fundamentalist is neither uneducated nor uncultured. Rowe, Dorothy. Wanting Everything
@thomasdouglas2732 well went to art school hung out with goldsmith kids was very liberal I was involved in the occupy movement . After brexit trump I came to realise allot of the leftist where anti democratic angry bunch who didn’t believe in anything they just where against the old order of things. Middle class kids who say they wanted to free the working class but in fact saw them as racist and uneducated. They became obsessed with gender and race and no longer talked about economic inequality. The world view Peter offers was more grounded in history and how countries had previously been successful his points of view came from logic and morality not a utopian idea based of hate of the powerful
The black hole of the bourgeoisie
Agamben's idea of a radical politics leading towards what he refers to as the coming community" lies in the contradictions surrounding the formation of the contemporary subject. Claiming that there are no longer social classes, only a single planetary petty bourgeoisie in which all the old classes are dissolved, Agamben is dismayed at the level of nihilism to which this class has sunk, particularly in its refusal of any recognizable social identity or authentic discourse by which it might claim power.
IN THIS SENSE THE PETTY
BOURGEOSIE IS BOTH BLANDLY
HOMOGENEOUS AND AKIN TO A
BLACK HOLE
Agamben: “That which constituted the truth and falsity of the peoples and
generations that have followed one another on the earth - differences of
language, of dialect, of character, of custom, and even the physical
particularities of each person - has lost any meaning for [the petty
bourgeoisie] and any capacity for expression and communication.”
And yet Agamben believes that there is one factor - death - that eludes
the grasp of the petty bourgeoisie, forcing an acknowledgement:
THAT EVEN LIFE IN ITS NAKEDNESS IS, IN TRUTH,IMPROPER AND PURELY EXTERIOR TO THEM, THAT FOR THEM THERE IS NO
SHELTER ON EARTH.
THE PLANETARY PETTY BOURGEOISIE IS PROBABLY THE FORM IN WHICH HUMANITY IS MOVING TOWARDS ITS OWN DE5TRUCTION.
Language at degree zero
Agamben’s philosophical approach differs significantly from that of
Jacques Derrida. For Derrida, identity is never wholly identical with itself
- absolute oneness or consciousness (with oneself) is a fantasy. As a
consequence, language and meaning are subject to a constant and
infinite process of deferral or postponement of meaning. However, for
Agamben, Primo Levi's work and Melville’s story “Bartleby” reveal that
language can exist at a “degree zero”.
THIS "DEGREE ZERO" IS A NON-PRESENCE THAT AMOUNTS TO A GAP, A DEACTIVATED SPACE OF ZERO
SYMBOLIC VALUE.
Derrida conceives of a future time beyond metaphysics as an inevitable,
deferred and as yet unknown prospect. For Agamben, future time -
-Messianic" time, a Jewish theological term for the time following the
Coming of the Messiah - uses, contracts, hollows and nullifies linear,
`chronological time in order to prepare its end.
CHRONOLOGICAL TIME IS
ALWAYS ON THE VERGE OF
BEING SEIZEDOY MESSIANIC
TIME TO OPEN THE POSSIBILITY
FOR HARMONY AND REDEMPTION
PROFANED OF THEIR RELIGIOUS
ASSOCIATIONS.
Agamben describes the preparation for the end of time with the image of
an animal that gathers itself before lunging.
Superb discussion, extremely educational, Thank you both 👏👏👏✊️
Anything to say about Ava Evans making little of male su***de
Excellent analysis
Great interview guys 👍👍👍
One wonders if Mr Fox really subscribes to this line of thinking. If so, one wonders at his state of connection with reality. If not, perhaps he's acting a role that will bring him more followers, adulation and MONEY than his TV and stage career ever could?
Laura Bates 👍
stick and stone woke are week and feeble
Was it Misandry when she did the same thing?
No.
@@miloandalfie5509 oh that's because "it's ok when we do it" isn't it.
Absolute Snakes
When did she ignore network orders and use rugby club language on a mainstream news network, that is about an inch away from losing it's licence and the rest of it's advertisers?
@@alfsmith4936 Said Men Should Be Terrified , Talked About Male Suicide In A Horrid Fashion & Said She Wouldn't Shag People.
Git It Right Roon Ye
@@miloandalfie5509another “it’s ok when we do it” pos.
8:58 don't blame or give the excuse of "the algorithm" all the algorithm does is show things that are getting interaction from people like you to more people like you. If people don't click it the algorithm stops promoting it, simple as that. It's people that cause the content to be spread not some conspiratorial mysterious algorithm
Even though this is an awful incident, and I'm so sorry that this has happened to Ava ...I'm pleased to have this type of abusive misogyny in the public eye and to have it called out and highlighted ..I do hope that it will help to turn the tide in what is ugly behaviour towards women in general ....
Make Misogyny Great Again!
One suburban housewife at a time - it can be done. Donald J Trump has proved it.
Great interview, Fox and Watton were appalling and the misogyny is disgusting but what amazes me is that this behaviour towards a woman has resulted in this reaction, yet if this had been a trans woman, as had happened before from this individual, nothing like this happened.
Is it unacceptable to behaved like this ? Yes, absolutely it is, but it seems it is acceptable towards the trans community.
I just hope all this doesn't send Fox's voteshare skyrocketing all the way up to 2.5%
Love you folks
Thank you for explaining things so well, Laura! The spread of misogyny is truly frightening 😢
you lot hate free speech commis
The point of the "Overton window" is that it can't be widened, only shifted to the right or left !!!
Can you explain? Theres no reason that the overton window cannot be described as having widened afaik.
I wash myself with a rag on a stick
Not only will he reap rewards, but I also suspect that he will be back from suspension.
I get irritated being lumped in with these scumbags
Think you have problems? Try being a woman called Karen! 😂😂
Try being a woman.
Laura was excellent and your discussion of this has echoed what I have noticed in the defence of Fox online
How is Andrew Tate even aware of what's going on?! I thought he got arrested for sex trafficking? Is he free or does he have free access to at least mobile internet and a mobile?? I would have thought his access to the internet would be slim to none, based on the charges.
You obviously have not been watching. He has full access. Keep up for goodness sakes, he was even interviewed by Tucker Carlson 😂😂
@@allmodcons2274 He has been charged and is still under investigation. Romanian law, as in most countries, does not allow those charged to be deprived of digital communication. When he's found guilty, it will be another story.
@@patriciamcl54 Exactly!
Misogyny was never a problem in the uk' it all started when we opened the doors to other cultures.
Have a look at Jim Davidson giving his views on Eddy Izard and how he talks about his many ex wives !
Do YOU think Eddy Izard is a womyn?
@@paulrudgley1682 it doesn’t matter what Eddy identifies as that’s up to him and not for the likes of Jim to use as a punch bag ! Jim doesn’t mind dressing up as a woman if the monies right now does he ! What does that say about Jim ! I would love to see Jim do 32 marathons in 31 days ! A really nice human being trying his best to get along in life ! Jim should think about that !
He’s the tip of something
It's important not to blow things out of proportion.
Highly insightful 🤔leftist mutual mind frottage, he really is insufferable but why does her smarmy self-satisfied smile remind me of Aphex Twin, a-la ‘Come to Daddy’ ?
So where are the prosecutions on this misogynistic abuse? It is high time there are some high level prosecutions. Why wasn't Jeremy Clarkson prosecuted for his comments? What needs to change here?
Julia Ebner mentioned in her book 'Going Dark' that gamers are targeted for extremist recruitment through various games and especially Discord. Where do these platforms stand in their requirements to deal with racism, mysogyny etc?
Do you really think courts need filling up with people who say "shag" in the wrong space?
It would be great if there was at least a semblance of balance in this conversation. The vile things that Ava has said about men are not even mentioned. She has shown time and again that she hates men, and when participating in what was supposed to be a discussion on the high rates of suicide among men, turned the whole discussion into the treatment of women. I can fully understand that LF became very upset about this. He has apologised for his crass comments, but respect works both ways.
Exactly. Hear, hear. Ava’s scathing & dismissive public comments about the very high rates of male suicide are far worse than Fox’s justified criticism of the aforementioned which regrettably included some crass comments for which he has apologised. Ava has not apologised for her abhorrent and far worse comments.
@@LaLeMaywhy should men be assigned an MP for mental health when it’s a human condition. Women can’t even get government to take misogyny or terrorism on women seriously. Women don’t get help with menopause issues which cause cardiovascular, osteoporosis bad mental health and suicide, but men have a blue pill designed for their willies not performing. Also the statistics for male suicide are higher because men use more violent methods, women actually attempt it more. I can see exactly why Ava took the stance on mental health as she did, you can’t give one without the other. Women make up half the tax payer and one side has many more considerations in government for too long.
So 83 % of men have a negative view of Tate. 5 in 6 men have a negative view of Tate. There's two ways to look at it, that's all.
No, there is one way of looking at it 1 out of 6 men is think it’s ok to treat women like animals. That’s horrendous and terrifying. Andrew Tate promotes the idea of punching a woman repeatedly in the face if she doesn’t want sex with you. If 1 out or 6 men are ok with that we have a monstrous problem on our hands.
Or it could be that Tate couldn't handle going bald and blamed his baldness on his lack of ability to attract a woman. Rather than deal with his insecurities because it is not considered masculine to have insecurities about the way you look. He turned his insecurities into hate towards women. Tate is vile in both his treatment of and attitude towards women.
@@quentinkumba6746 half in jest. I would agree that his insecurities regarding his masculinity will have developed during childhood.
Sorry weekendToner. I was a little quick responding there and totally missed your joke.
@@cordeliafitzgerald8714 - I don’t think it’s masculine insecurity, I think it’s an extreme attachment strategy in which he cannot understand that others have a perspective different from his and as a result he is extremely conceited, self-righteous and does not care about others suffering. To direct that at women, I would suggest is a result of our generally misogynistic culture, where it is easier to dismiss women, ignore there reality and get away with it. But I suspect that he is just as dismissing of other men’s point of view, but it’s harder to get away with acting on that in our society.
Depressing thought I know, but Tate is, I think, a product of our culture not the other way around.
Whoa whoa, misandry is absolutely a thing! You can have misandrists and misogynists in society. One doesn’t disprove the existence of the other. Neither are also an excuse for retribution through ignorant behaviour.
Of course, the same applies to racism, homophobia etc. Neither of these are acceptable...But please do not forget: white heterosexual men are in charge of the world (still, maybe, as China grows), misandry of white men==you are attacking a stronger opponent, where as misogyny, racism, homophobia etc are attacks on weaker members of society, from a position of power.
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Not a single mention of class. The ideas of the American left really have penetrated far.
🙄🙄The over use of that buzz word ‘misandry’ is a typical knee jerk ploy engaged by serial misogynists to conflate issues and silence women. Stop w the puerile buzz words and look at the issues . Tactical backlash against strong, intelligent women is as old as time & todays bully boys are weaponising the old tactic to extreme lengths on their public platforms .
Perhaps if men had ever made any serious attempt to bring up boys as thinking and compassionate beings (instead of inculcating loony ideas about "manhood"), it might be more difficult for women to believe that all men are the same.
@@patriciamcl54 That's a sweeping statement bordering on sexism in itself. Dealing in absolutes does not lend itself to critical thinking or reasoned debate.
The scary thing is that Eve is getting hate messages by far right incel! And she wasn’t even involved in this issue! her name was but she wasn’t involved in the fracas!
Are you aware of Ava’s abhorrent misandry to which Fox was responding? He was correct to criticise her disgusting comments but regrettably & stupidly distracted from his rightful & fair criticism by including stupid crass comments. Ava thinks & stated publicly that the very high rates of male suicide are unimportant & do not require direct & focussed action to try to reduce the numbers. That is what Fox was responding to.
@@LaLeMay you clearly got this from the far right media, and you didn’t hear what she actually said, just to educate you little ill informed nobody,
here it is;
What did she say that was so bad it warranted Fox saying everything he said? Because i’ve watched that interview at least 10 times now and i dont see anything wrong with anything she said. She said there should be a minister for mental health opposed to a “minister for men” because suicide attempts are just as high in women as they are in men with the main difference being men are more “successful” in their attempts. That doesn’t sound like someone who’s mocking male suicide to me. It sounds like someone who sees the bigger picture.
@@gerryburntwood9617 I have watched the interview quite a few times, thank you, so you can retract your petty & clutching at straws insults. I don’t need to go to ‘far right media’, whatever that may be in your mind. Ava Evans was debating the issue with comedian Geoff Norcott, who has written a new book The British Bloke Decoded, amid calls from Tory MP Nick Fletcher for a minister for men. Ava Evans said, in response to Geoff Norcotts reasoned & sensible ideas that there should be specific, targeted help for the very high numbers of male suicide, “I think it feeds into the culture war a little bit, this minister for men argument. In my mind, there should be a minister for mental health which should be all-encompassing... It's a crisis which is endemic throughout the country and not specific to men. I think a lot of men bandy this about to sort of make an enemy out of women,” Which, frankly is lazy disingenuous diversion from & dismissal of the issue at hand. Geoff Norcott is quite right - there does need to be specific targeted action to address the male suicide issue. For anyone to dismiss the same & say men cannot have targeted help as it must be help for everyone otherwise it makes an enemy out of women is frankly disgusting. And in my view it is far worse to dismiss hundreds of thousands of male suicide as unimportant as compared to ‘making an enemy of women’ than to stupidly say ‘who would want to shag her’. Fox was correct to criticise her abhorrent stance but sadly distracted entirely from the important message by including a flippant crass comment.
@@LaLeMayI agree with your comments and I don’t believe Laurence Fox should apologise to Ava after she dismissed men’s issues as well as stating how men should be afraid of false accusations, meaning that she’s fine with false accusations being weaponised to ruin men’s lives.
@@drewyetti I agree entirely. Ava Evans is a sour, manipulative, arrogant misandrist spreading hate for both men & women. She herself has said numerous times of men she doesn’t like ‘I wouldn’t shag him’. She also advocates for men to colonise women’s safe spaces & language. She is wholly abhorrent
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How can Fox be so deluded to think that Ava would even consider getting into bed with him?
Remember, the brain is the largest erogenous zone, and, on the other hand, can he check a mirror?
Is he a vampire?
How can anybody believe he wouldn't? Let's face facts here.. If Lawrence Fox wouldn't "shag" a woman because she has different political opinions to himself, he would already be shacked up with Anne Widdicome.