Backing into a rain shortened plate race was one thing, but the way Justin gave Shane Van Gisbergen a run for his money in the closing laps of the Chicago street race on older tires opened a lot of eyes.
he basically was the only one that raced against SVG in that race, he passed him back a couple of times, a good battle. The others he passed and opened margin
It was not a "run for his money." I know the pass back made it seem that way, but that had more to do with where the pass was made an how than anything else. Haley has been on people's radar for a long time.
To add on to your Larson counter at the end. Every team also has access to each other's SMT data. As long as the driver is not a brick wall, they just look at the fastest line and adopt it. Back in the day, and even today with dirt racing, drivers constantly are searching for the best line and only the best ones find that line and adapt their driving style to fit it. If every driver brakes at the same time, carries the same speed on apex and accelerated at the same time, there's no area for passing because everyone is already driving the optimal line.
I've seen few people advocate for this but I'm in total agreement that getting rid of SMT data sharing would help to alleviate the problem. I've never understood why it came about in the first place but NASCAR has overdone the parity thing to the point where we might as well just have self-driving spec cars. It's very hard to have good racing when everything is equal.
More power, softer rubber, smaller brakes, smaller rims, narrower tires, let that be the short track package, Even with the current power package, reducing the contact patch on the short tracks might wear out the tires(?) Don't know Good video, keep it up.
This.... I've been saying narrow(er) tires and rims for years now. Seems like a cheap experiment for short tracks and road courses. Nascar made the tire 4 inches wider and can't seem to understand why cars don't slip and slide around anymore.
The one idea that's been brought up quite a few times is taking all the garbage off under the car for short tracks, but NASCAR refuses to even try that.
NASCAR wanted all the teams to be identical and exactly the same. They got what they wanted and now they're not happy with it. NASCAR has showed they want basically a 35-40 car IROC series, and that's what they have with these spec race cars. This has bitten NASCAR in the ass and they want to pass blame to Goodyear. Goodyear didn’t design this car,so blaming them is asinine. NASCAR needs to nut up and own their screw up.
That’s because it gets boring watching Hendrick and Gibbs outclass the field every week because they have the most money to spend. At least other teams have a chance to win races. Back in the early 2010s it was like only one or two teams had the equipment to win most weeks. More than half of the field had zero chance
@@user-ed1yx2fq7l And they're still outclassing the field. As a former race team co-owner, it's a known fact that money buys speed - always did and always will.
@@joeyager8479 they are, but not to the degree they used to. Half the Gibbs cars just got eliminated in the round of 16. Dillon was fast enough to win a race in subpar equipment. Same with Briscoe on a team that’s shutting down at the end of the year.
@@user-ed1yx2fq7lthey still are out classing the field. All 4 Gibbs cars and all 4 Hendrick cars made the play offs. The teams with the most resources will always be at the front, no matter how much you try to bring them down to the smaller teams levels.
@@samharris3508 you’re not wrong. However, I think the playing field is a bit more even when you have a 32nd in points winning a race and a 35th in points winning a race.
Very true. Though I _do_ want more horsepower, we have to acknowledge the fact that when everyone has the same horsepower with this tire, it’ll be the same thing, but at higher speeds. Just because they’ll be cracking 200+ MPH more often doesn’t mean the product will get better. Even at 200 MPH, you can’t pass or make moves if everyone is going the same speed.
@@WhopperJrNoCheesemore power means more off-throttle time, longer braking zones and more tire wear. Those are things that benefit road courses and short tracks while NOT making it worse for the bigger tracks. But yes, there's something else that can be done, and that is keeping the downforce as low as possible at short tracks and road courses, by entirely removing diffuser, flat floor, spoiler and splitter. The draft doesn't really come into play anyway at those types of racetrack.
You're not wrong, but I also look at it this way: we've tried the tires, dozens of times. We've tweaked the aero. We've messed with the schedule to go for different seasonal weather effects. We've tried adhesives. We've tried different existing packages at tracks they weren't set for. We've fiddled with the spoiler heights. We've modified clips all over the body. We shaved off 250+ pounds of ballast and excess materials. We've done all this, and we're still here wondering. What's the one thing we haven't done anything at all to try out and see how it changes things? At this point, it seems the horsepowe is the only variable we *haven't* tried tweaking with yet. I'd quite like them to at least give it a whirl - if it helps, fantastic! If it doesn't, then the sanctioning body can point to this test and say "well, we gave it a try already, and nothing came of it." I just question why they're so desperate to 20-something-times down on not messing with horsepower ratings. The continued stated reasons to keep it the same are to attract new manufacturers to the series - but where are they? Dodge backed out, Honda was once a maybe but they've been silent for over half a year (and would need to submit templates within the next 6 days to even be eligible to compete in 2026), and no one else has said anything. So, again, what are we waiting for?
Haley replacing Bowman in 2026? I highly doubt that. Maybe all the tracks that are below 1.25 miles should have the option tires to make the short track and road course races a bit more interesting. If not, the horsepower needs to be upped up. And what Larson did on Saturday night, despite the mediocre racing, shouldn't be discredited. In fact, we should enjoy him while we still have him. He is a superstar that NASCAR desperately needs.
I still say,fix the tire or the car. If the cars are so equal, then one car should not be able to do what Larson did and the racing would have been tighter
They need to make it private til after the race. Teams shouldn’t be able to use SMT from other teams throughout the weekend. Nascar was founded on simplicity with racing, Stockcars and Stockcar racing is a very simply form of racing compared to other forms of Motorsports, and if you’re not fast or your tires are wearing to quick then you need to figure out why as a team or behind the wheel, not through a computer watching what other drivers are doing. SMT is good for fans, drivers, and teams, but not when it’s openly shared throughout the weekend.
I'm sure there is a big difference between a Goodyear racing tire and a Goodyear consumer tire. Tires made for an SUV are likely manufactured by the thousands on million dollar machines in a multimillion dollar factory. They can then make thousands of the exact same tire over multiple years and the set-up cost is recouped by the large volume of sales. Racing tires are essentially made one off, separate left and right side tires for one class of car, and for one track in NASCAR's case. Unless teams are okay with tires costing more than the car's driver, the tires will have to be made by hand in small batches and with more inconsistency than seen in cars made for daily commuters.
Terrific. Another year of "Bowman on the hotseat" rumors. What IF he is the second...or even highest....finishing Hendrick Motorsports driver this year? Still on the hot seat? Alex could easily finish as the 2nd highest finisher on the team. Lets go 48! (edit: 8 wins in 6 years isn't that bad lol)
I really feel like Goodyear underestimated track temperatures at Watkins Glen and Bristol with the tires they brought. Watkins Glen in the first week of August is HOT. This year was very much different. I dont want to say they didn't take it into account but it wouldn't be the first time they tested during the day, thought they had something and then took it to the track for a night race and it didn't perform as expected. Looking at you All Star race at Wilkesboro...
Why can't nascar just come up with a more narrow tire for short tracks. Less contact area will have a similar effect to mire horsepower. Or just give them 900 hp
Because it'll cost the teams way more money to have different sets of wheels. The whole purpose of this car was so you can run your Watkins Glen car at Bristol, and your Bristol car at Kansas.
@@samharris3508 I agree it costs more but compared to about any other change it would seemingly cost the least and its not like teams dont ruin a wheel or two a race.
I have said this until I am blue in the face, NASCAR can not be this stupid. You widened the tire and that makes more grip. You went to low profile tires that added more grip. You put bigger brakes on the cars . Now add in the under body and defuser for even more grip. Now the cars are stuck to the ground and so dependent on air that no one can pass. Good year can make a softer tire that wears but why would they. When hoosier was here both co's brought the softest tire they could get away with and they blew out and blistered like crazy with the drivers complaining they were going to get hurt rightly so. Remember good year and hoosier both were sent home because the tires they were bringing were 1/4 inch to wide . Yes a 1/4 inch more tire on the ground makes a huge difference .Why would good year make softer tires that wear quickly. The drivers are going to get out and bad mouth the tires if they fail. Good Years real business is selling tires to the public that hold up and wear good. Most people don't understand tire technology or the difference in tires from street to race tires. If Nascar would put the narrow tires that infinity and the craftsman trucks run back on the cars that would solve 90% of the cars problems and take away the huge brakes they run now. Good year brought a softer tire to richmond as a option tire. It was faster and still it didn't wear out because the tires are to friggin wide for a cup car. The biggest cost is making new rim's to accept the one lug nut that never should have been done in the first place just more added expense. Take a top fuel dragster with those huge rear tires and switch them to a tire 3 inch's narrower and watch what happens and they are just going straight for 3 seconds. The narrower tire would take 7 seconds . Nascar needs to raise the cars up and let the teams run their own shock packages. Thats the only way to make this kit car a race car.
Quite possible. I can’t remember when it was, but I think it was on his podcast, Harvick was saying how when he signed with SHR, Rick had a say in that deal too
Ok, I don’t know anything about tires, or areo dynamics but, here’s my fix for short tracks/road courses. First thing, optional tire on all flat, short tracks and all road courses, second, take off the rear defuser and bump up the horsepower to 700 at the short tracks and 650 at road courses, and the tires, make them have 2-3 seconds of falloff and wear out a lot quicker. That might fix some of the issues
Larson's thoughts mirror my own pretty closely. I've been to Bristol several times over the years. It's an experience unlike any other. It's louder than Charlotte or Darlington, you feel like you're closer to the action, and even in the nosebleeds you can smell the exhaust and the tire smoke like nowhere else I've been. It's a full sensory track. But on TV? For as long as I can remember, it's always been a handful of fast cars competing for the win while everyone else tried to hang on for dear life. Passing was easier with earlier generation cars, sure, but that mostly meant the leaders didn't have to try so hard to lap the back of the field. Obviously, the short track package needs work. I don't think anyone in their right mind is going to try to defend it as exceptional racing, because it's not. The Cup series just isn't as fun to watch around short tracks as, say, local series racing on Friday or Saturday night. But then, that was the case well before the next gen car came into the picture. Fire breathing monsters on the ragged edge of control are always going to be more fun to watch than spec cars designed to perform well at a variety of different tracks. I love the fact that the NASCAR community is so connected now. We can share cool moments and geek out over obscure bits of lore and strategy and statistics in real time with strangers from across the globe. But the downside is that the community is susceptible to all the same problems of social media. We've lost our ability to see contrast and nuance. If something isn't great, then it sucks. For god's sake, calling something "mid" is an insult these days. Call me crazy, but I'd much rather accept that not every race can be a barnburner and find the good in average than get upset over a 5/10 race. Hell, I had plenty of fun watching Suarez bully Ty Gibbs for as long as he did. Even if the racing wasn't great, there was still fun to be had.
Can we look at/talk about a slimmer/skinnier wheel? Wouldn't that take away grip, and make tires heat up more and/or faster than what we have now. Wife and I spent our anniversary on the Bristol race, 1st time there. Both of us came away unhappy with what we saw Saturday night.
NASCAR played with the track surface with PJ1 before this race, according to NBC broadcasters. I mean, Goodyear is not the best tire company. Corvette Racing went to Michelin immediately after they got the All-US Le Mans win. The car is a lot more like a souped-up GT3 car, so is handled far better than the Gen-6 car, and that's on NASCAR. While there are factors that you can't get one tire to by the exact same, if Goodyear is still doing things the way they were doing them when they starting making the radial tires or 10 years ago, that's pretty bad. Michelin has slick tires that are intermediate tires for a drying track that they developed recently. I know NASCAR wants an American tire company to partner with, but maybe it's time to talk to other tire companies. Michelin has a manufacturing plant in South Carolina (IMSA's tires are made) and tons racing experience with all manner of cars...
Can we all agree that GoodYear didn't back the same tire compound as last time, which threw off 90% of the teams setup for the race. 😳 Can we give Kyle Larson his props, for being that good of a driver. 👏 RCR, Kaulig and TrackHouse might want to start collaborating or get left behind! 🤔
If Goodyear cannot give NASCAR a consistent tire, could they ever look at a different manufacturer? Possibly Firestone or another manufacturer or is that even possible?
I think they can fix some of these issues by allowing the following: 1. Add variety in parts suppliers, or add options from sole sources. Allows the teams to mix and match and see what works for them, but still have a fixed list of approved parts to choose from. I do understand that eventually everyone might be like "Oh, use this part #, it's the best of the X options." 2. Use a spec modifiable shock. You still have the same premise as a spec shock, but the option to run say, 6 different valve bodies/packing The teams would still end up spending the same amount of money they are now, but have a little bit of freedom on what they can and can't do to the car. As for the tires... I agree that on the slower tracks, they really need to go from a 365/35R18 to a 315/40R18 would probably help. I think anything smaller than that and you run the risk of breaking stuff left and right in the suspension.
Eric Estepp, Referring to Goodyear tire issue, it is just not NASCAR, it’s also the NHRA ( National Hot Rod Association. ) Drag Racing issue. We used to run Goodyear slicks, now we use Hoosiers Slicks. The Goodyear slicks are also getting more expensive. The Goodyear Tech support doesn’t really help , but they will mount the tires and slicks on the rims.
Honestly to me, if the tires were at 70-100 laps than the 140 from a few days ago, the tires would have lasted longer than the spring but have much better racing than what we had last week
Definitely agree with Larson and he would be the expert along with Kyle Bush. Larson comments even come after dominating race with a lot of past references.
I was really bummed after the Bristol race, but honestly this is exactly what I needed! I feel a little better about the situation knowing that NASCAR recognizes it was a problem and really wants to fix it. That doesn’t guarantee it’ll suddenly get better, but it means they’re continuing to try, and recognize that what we saw this past weekend was unacceptable. I think I speak for most fans when I say we just want NASCAR to listen and be receptive to what we all believe makes for better racing and better competition.
I agree with the "spec race car" statement. If you watch other series with similar chassis or rules the racing is very close. Not sure how NASCAR could fix that with their current platform.
Should allow more adjustments to the cars for the drivers. As in suspension and aero. Let the teams FAFO so to speak. More gear options. I would to see some run low downforce vs high downforce in the same race. Wouldn’t be reinventing the wheel or costing a ton of $.
I been watching and going to races since I was five. And truly just loved the old days of. You always get four tires in the pits. You know the late 80’s and all of the 90’s. We are g😅to close to f1 now. And that shit sucks.
To solve the problem, we have to identify the problem. The two biggest problems of the Next Gen are as follows: Dirty air Too much mechanical grip over a long run Since short track races never exceed 110-130 MPH, dirty air isn’t as much of an issue. Which means that the best way to solve the lackluster short track package is to cut mechanical grip over long runs. That can be accomplished by increasing horsepower, bringing softer tires, or narrowing tread width. The latter two are the most economical.
I don't get why they don't try using the rain tires on the short tracks. They wear out fast with a lot of falloff and have less grip. Exactly what people are asking for.
I think asking GoodYear to perfectly engineer a specific lifetime or fall-off to a racing tire is an unreasonable expectation. Engineers in the real world build things to have long-enough lifetimes by making use of extra safety margins which cover for the unknown/unknowable factors. In this racing situation, the unpredictable factors are multiple. I would expect that tire wear has some exponential dependence on temperature - that is, a very small difference in temperature affects wear to a much larger degree. Moreover there must be a vicious-circle feedback that happens: a tire that is wearing out or at the threshold of its limitations starts to build more heat of its own, which increases friction, decreases softness, and leads to further increase in temperature. There may be a fine line over which the various factors become too sensitive to control in the manner that so many are requesting in UA-cam comments. Consider rain tires. In the rain, with its cooling effect, the tires work amazingly well and have a good lifetime. Change just the cooling factor a few degrees when the track dries out, and the lifetime goes to hell FAST. I don’t think it is reasonable to expect the tire companies to balance the each track’s tire wear on a knife-edge like that. A small change in conditions may inevitably change the lifetime by factors of 2x or 3x. (Note, I am an engineer, but not a tire engineer, so I could be very wrong. But I am just trying to impart the idea that not every wish-list change is something that is easy to design into a tire or light-bulb, etc. Lifetimes of many things are highly dependent on certain stress factors that cannot be duplicated the same in the lab as on the track.)
HMS is just being prepared. If someone gets hurt they’ll have a good backup driver and a potential replacement driver. Goodyear is not the answer to fix short track racing unless they can figure out what is going on with their compounds.
Nobody asked for wider tires. Nobody asked for 5 gears. Nobody asked for a better braking system. Nobody asked for a bigger wheel with a shorter sidewall. Nobody asked for less HP at short tracks and road courses. I’m not blaming Goodyear but they need to stop gaslighting Nascar and the fans. Same tire my ass.
Honest question. Do you think more horsepower would cause the tire to fade quicker? I’m not saying we need the 900hp that everyone wants as much as I would love that too but maybe 100 or so more would make it harder over a long run to keep the tires under the cars
Again...I'm with Kyle Petty. I hate parity. Let the teams make their cars go fast, let the driver drive the wheels off of it, and make everyone else chase him.
It's pretty simple. If Bowman keeps driving like he has the last 3 weeks Haley will never see an HMS cup car. Not going to replace a sure thing with an unknown
Kyle Larson and Denny Hamlin are right. The difference between the races this year in Bristol was the temperature. Saturday night was much warmer than the spring. There was way more rubber on the track along with additional compounds. While I criticize Goodyear for doing the bare minimum in QC, I'm criticizing Nascar for its bad design in the Next Gen Car. We also have to concede dominance like Larson did the other night. We've seen Jimmie, Jeff, Dale, Richard, with Gen 3, 4 and 5 and in the last 10 years, Kyle Busch, Kevin Harvick, Martin Truex Jr., and Denny Hamlin dominate races with the Gen 6 with hp's 900, 750, 550, and even the Next Gen. So please just accept dominance and get on with life. 48nation is right, if nascar doesn't understand the correlation between those races, someone is going to lose their job because they can't compare and contrast track temps.
So lets take the pressure off Goodyear and bring in other tire manufacturers. What is the brand that pairs with Ford, Toyota, and Chevy, and use those tires. There's Toyo, Michelin, Firestone, Mastercraft... Anything... But, the Next Gen is the problem. Run the Next Gen at 1.5 miles, Gen 6 at road courses and super speedways, Gen 5 at short tracks.
Eric, with all these technical alliances happening in the garage (TH/Kaulig, HMS/Spire, RFK/FRM, JGR/23XI, LMC/Dumpster Fire), is NASCAR going the way of F1 with Factory Teams v. Suppliers, and if so, what would be the benefits of doing so?
It was, you should understand how warm weather in the night race after a weekend of other series running vs the cooler spring with cold concrete and no other series running, the concrete was like a cheese grater in the spring...this time it had rubber in it that didn't wash away....
@@Mudweisertj88even if it wasn't the same tire the track was rubbered up from the 3 previous races and the track was sprayed for the cup race only. You just sound ignorant
If I'm Trackhouse or RCR I'm opposed to bringing Spire as a key partner because it makes my team weaker. Looking at the Hendrick deal for Justin Haley it sounds like Rick Hendrick was the one that wanted Corey out of that car.
One thing I think I would like to see NASCAR try on just the short tracks is a different wheel. By that, I mean, instead of the 18", go back to the 15" wheel, which would be more sidewall. Maybe even a little more narrow. Hell, they could make it out of aluminum and keep the one lug nut for that matter. Just a thought of something different that they have not tried. They already have all the technology from the old breaks. Let him use it.
I repeat my words, add side force (twisted sister, aka; messing with the existing bodies, shouldnt be a big money issue), rise horspower, smaller tires and get rid of the ground effect shit
This might be a wild prediction on Haley. I highly doubt any of the current HMS drivers are under threat. But I don't think Bowman would get replaced. Elliott's contract ends in 2026, Larson's contract ends in 2026, and Elliott's contract ends in 2027. However, William Byron's current contract ends in 2025. I'd be shocked if William were to leave HMS, but if he does, perhaps that's where Haley comes in.
Guys I got the advent calendar and I am holding myself back from opening it😭😭😭😭. Anyway, I’m pissed at Goodyear/nascar for the tires not being good like the spring
Goodyear - that's a tire brand that I will not purchase after having several sets in the past on cars and pickups though unfortunately my current F150 came with them as OE. It might be an opportune time to look at ARCA's tire of choice, General. Years back you had a choice of either Goodyear or Hoosier in NASCAR. The small company Hoosier tires, usually outlasted and out ran the vaunted Goodyears. Maybe it's time and if possible, to give teams a choice of the brand that might work better for them
Um, didn’t they spray some sort of traction compound on the track in the spring race? Haven’t heard you (or NASCAR) mention anything about that Seems to me if all was the same from spring to fall race EXCEPT for that traction compound spray, seems to me that is the difference. Thoughts??
Lets get back to stock car, not these Euro cars. I stopped buying Good Year tires years ago. They wore out 25 to 30,000 miles and traction stunk. I buy firestone or Kumho which is a very good tire .
They desperately need to try much smaller brakes on these cars. The current brakes are way too efficient. New, smaller/less efficient brakes along with soft tires with less surface area, as well as any amount higher horsepower (even just to what the current engine can handle at 750hp compared to currently running 670hp) would noticeably improve road courses and short tracks. But there’s a good chance that this car can never be great on those tracks honestly.
Goodyear's getting a lot of stick from the teams and drivers. But Goodyear is not really getting much ROI being in NASCAR anymore. I wonder when they'll decide to pull out? NASCAR, teams and drivers -- Be careful what you wish for...
Can we all talk about the fact that Tyler Reddick admitted to giving Denny Hamlin an extra stage point at the end of the stage on broadcast tv and everyone, including nascar, seems to have just acted like it never happened. He should recieve a massive penalty and his playoff run should be all but over. If it's good enough for MWR, it's good enough for JGR's 5th car.
My idea for race packages would be keep the plate races the same, add full horsepower to short tracks and road courses, and a skinnier rear tire with the same horsepower for intermediate tracks.
Consistency between sets isn’t the issue it’s difference in batches so tire to tire they are within a good window but year to year or one “batch” to another may differ
Good to remember that Kes was under contract with Rick Hendrick and got released due to not enough rides to go around. More than anything this move seems to be HMS hedging its bets for future seasons. Just in case.
Plus it seems like when Hendrick has a close alliance with teams, he has a say in the drivers. Can’t remember when, but Harvick had said that Rick had a say in him signing with SHR when they were aligned with Hendrick
I’m definitely disappointed in the lack of tire wear. I think blaming the car is wrong. In the racing I’ve done (not oval track) getting more wear out of a tire is a dream. Getting a car perfectly set up on its suspension and weight distribution for each track is an incredible challenge. Tire degradation would be better than intentionally trying to make the car handle bad. Goodyear like any other performance tire manufacturer can adjust hardness. Have them make half a dozen different hardnesses. Let NASCAR test a couple different hardnesses at each track, and then pick one. More horsepower would push the drivers to exceed the limits of the car. NASCAR is becoming like mx5 spec racing at Daytona. The cars aren’t fast enough to challenge the track and push the drivers. Other than horsepower I don’t think blaming the car is the answer.
Still a firm believer that these softer tires would behaved the way they NASCAR wants them too if they just had more power to manage. If more power and heat gets sent through the tires it would allow them to have more fall off. But, on the contrary if that theory is correct the 2024 spring Bristol race would have been a total disaster if they had more horsepower! It would have been the next 08 Indy tire debacle all over again. These Horsepower deficient cars made a miracle out of what would of been another tire disaster.
I don't know how NASCAR or even Goodyear can be baffled by the product Saturday night. They said after the spring race that the tire compound then was the exact same as the tire compound in the 2023 night race, a compound that showed no real wear. It was clear (or at least should have been clear) from the moment that Goodyear said the spring race had the same compound as last years night race that the wear HAD to be caused by track conditions and nothing more.
I wonder if goodyear provided option tires this past weekend if the race product would've been different. Why didn't Goodyear give the teams option tires. They've run option tires past few short tracks and I honestly thought the races were good ( Richmond exception until G. W. C.) Was it the high banks that caused Goodyear to not bring the option tires?
I Think Chevy , Ford and Toyota should have their own platforms, and not have all the cars the same. Bring back old school and racing will be fun to watch again. But I can't change NASCAR.
I don’t understand the hype around Haley. I think Bowman has a higher ceiling and floor. I have don’t understand why he would be signed and replacing Bowman. Spire? Ok, sure. But Bowman and I’d say Mr. H would need his head checked. When both drivers retire, I expect Bowmans career to be on par with a Ryan Newman to Sterling Marlin and Justin Haley to retire on par with a Jamie McMurray to Ward Burton.
Backing into a rain shortened plate race was one thing, but the way Justin gave Shane Van Gisbergen a run for his money in the closing laps of the Chicago street race on older tires opened a lot of eyes.
Remember the Gen 6 had more horsepower before 2019
he basically was the only one that raced against SVG in that race, he passed him back a couple of times, a good battle.
The others he passed and opened margin
His runs at Bristol, COTA, Darlington, & Iowa were what got him this opportunity. Running that well in a RWR car was incredibly impressive
he got a lot of brown eyes open the racing is a weekly gay parade ,, fuck woke pussy nascar,,
It was not a "run for his money." I know the pass back made it seem that way, but that had more to do with where the pass was made an how than anything else. Haley has been on people's radar for a long time.
I look forward to Eric’s videos every time. We are so lucky to have such great coverage of our sport. Such a pro
To add on to your Larson counter at the end. Every team also has access to each other's SMT data. As long as the driver is not a brick wall, they just look at the fastest line and adopt it. Back in the day, and even today with dirt racing, drivers constantly are searching for the best line and only the best ones find that line and adapt their driving style to fit it. If every driver brakes at the same time, carries the same speed on apex and accelerated at the same time, there's no area for passing because everyone is already driving the optimal line.
I've seen few people advocate for this but I'm in total agreement that getting rid of SMT data sharing would help to alleviate the problem. I've never understood why it came about in the first place but NASCAR has overdone the parity thing to the point where we might as well just have self-driving spec cars. It's very hard to have good racing when everything is equal.
💯 This ⬆️
WE WANT MORE HORSEPOWER 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
We have more hp than the gen6
The cars needs smaller brakes and smaller tire the car has too much grip
Yes.
Know physics
More horsepower won't really change much on this car. It might make a small change but it's not gonna be the difference maker
I agree 👍
More power, softer rubber, smaller brakes, smaller rims, narrower tires, let that be the short track package, Even with the current power package, reducing the contact patch on the short tracks might wear out the tires(?) Don't know Good video, keep it up.
This.... I've been saying narrow(er) tires and rims for years now. Seems like a cheap experiment for short tracks and road courses. Nascar made the tire 4 inches wider and can't seem to understand why cars don't slip and slide around anymore.
The one idea that's been brought up quite a few times is taking all the garbage off under the car for short tracks, but NASCAR refuses to even try that.
Hendrick: Don’t talk to me or my son again
Spire: Yeah!
I need some rick hendrick mini me memes asap
NASCAR wanted all the teams to be identical and exactly the same. They got what they wanted and now they're not happy with it. NASCAR has showed they want basically a 35-40 car IROC series, and that's what they have with these spec race cars. This has bitten NASCAR in the ass and they want to pass blame to Goodyear. Goodyear didn’t design this car,so blaming them is asinine. NASCAR needs to nut up and own their screw up.
That’s because it gets boring watching Hendrick and Gibbs outclass the field every week because they have the most money to spend. At least other teams have a chance to win races. Back in the early 2010s it was like only one or two teams had the equipment to win most weeks. More than half of the field had zero chance
@@user-ed1yx2fq7l And they're still outclassing the field. As a former race team co-owner, it's a known fact that money buys speed - always did and always will.
@@joeyager8479 they are, but not to the degree they used to. Half the Gibbs cars just got eliminated in the round of 16. Dillon was fast enough to win a race in subpar equipment. Same with Briscoe on a team that’s shutting down at the end of the year.
@@user-ed1yx2fq7lthey still are out classing the field. All 4 Gibbs cars and all 4 Hendrick cars made the play offs.
The teams with the most resources will always be at the front, no matter how much you try to bring them down to the smaller teams levels.
@@samharris3508 you’re not wrong. However, I think the playing field is a bit more even when you have a 32nd in points winning a race and a 35th in points winning a race.
if you recall as a driver, tony stewart rarely if EVER had anything good to say about goodyear.
He used to say it’s time to give Hoosier a shot. I tend to agree. Hoosier doesn’t sell street tires.
Tony Stewart rarely had anything good to say about anything.
For those saying we want more horsepower, trust me, it’s a lot more than just that alone that needs to be addressed.
Very true. Though I _do_ want more horsepower, we have to acknowledge the fact that when everyone has the same horsepower with this tire, it’ll be the same thing, but at higher speeds. Just because they’ll be cracking 200+ MPH more often doesn’t mean the product will get better. Even at 200 MPH, you can’t pass or make moves if everyone is going the same speed.
They definitely also need to change around with the aerodynamics. Currently dirty air is so bad because the next gens are so downforce efficient.
And? So we can't take a step forward if that step doesn't fix everything? It's a step in the right direction that's badly needed.
@@WhopperJrNoCheesemore power means more off-throttle time, longer braking zones and more tire wear. Those are things that benefit road courses and short tracks while NOT making it worse for the bigger tracks. But yes, there's something else that can be done, and that is keeping the downforce as low as possible at short tracks and road courses, by entirely removing diffuser, flat floor, spoiler and splitter. The draft doesn't really come into play anyway at those types of racetrack.
You're not wrong, but I also look at it this way: we've tried the tires, dozens of times. We've tweaked the aero. We've messed with the schedule to go for different seasonal weather effects. We've tried adhesives. We've tried different existing packages at tracks they weren't set for. We've fiddled with the spoiler heights. We've modified clips all over the body. We shaved off 250+ pounds of ballast and excess materials. We've done all this, and we're still here wondering. What's the one thing we haven't done anything at all to try out and see how it changes things? At this point, it seems the horsepowe is the only variable we *haven't* tried tweaking with yet. I'd quite like them to at least give it a whirl - if it helps, fantastic! If it doesn't, then the sanctioning body can point to this test and say "well, we gave it a try already, and nothing came of it." I just question why they're so desperate to 20-something-times down on not messing with horsepower ratings. The continued stated reasons to keep it the same are to attract new manufacturers to the series - but where are they? Dodge backed out, Honda was once a maybe but they've been silent for over half a year (and would need to submit templates within the next 6 days to even be eligible to compete in 2026), and no one else has said anything. So, again, what are we waiting for?
Haley replacing Bowman in 2026? I highly doubt that.
Maybe all the tracks that are below 1.25 miles should have the option tires to make the short track and road course races a bit more interesting. If not, the horsepower needs to be upped up.
And what Larson did on Saturday night, despite the mediocre racing, shouldn't be discredited. In fact, we should enjoy him while we still have him. He is a superstar that NASCAR desperately needs.
I still say,fix the tire or the car. If the cars are so equal, then one car should not be able to do what Larson did and the racing would have been tighter
@@ryandunn1974Bristol is a track where once a car gets out front pretty much race is over , can’t pass the leader !
Haley, Caruth, Hocevar, and McDowell all at Spire could be a superteam in NASCAR
I want Chase Purdy >:( hes my favorite truck driver I got a signed hat of him
@@Tayd0g Haley and McDowell, yes. Caruth and Hocevar still have a learning curve.
Superteam? Surely you’re not serious
@@Tayd0g looks like a C+ team right there
Yes right lmao there's 3 teams hendrick jgr and then Penske
then all the rest of the other team starts here lol really
I think NASCAR needs to get rid of the SMT data .
They need to make it private til after the race. Teams shouldn’t be able to use SMT from other teams throughout the weekend. Nascar was founded on simplicity with racing, Stockcars and Stockcar racing is a very simply form of racing compared to other forms of Motorsports, and if you’re not fast or your tires are wearing to quick then you need to figure out why as a team or behind the wheel, not through a computer watching what other drivers are doing. SMT is good for fans, drivers, and teams, but not when it’s openly shared throughout the weekend.
I'm sure there is a big difference between a Goodyear racing tire and a Goodyear consumer tire. Tires made for an SUV are likely manufactured by the thousands on million dollar machines in a multimillion dollar factory. They can then make thousands of the exact same tire over multiple years and the set-up cost is recouped by the large volume of sales. Racing tires are essentially made one off, separate left and right side tires for one class of car, and for one track in NASCAR's case. Unless teams are okay with tires costing more than the car's driver, the tires will have to be made by hand in small batches and with more inconsistency than seen in cars made for daily commuters.
Terrific. Another year of "Bowman on the hotseat" rumors. What IF he is the second...or even highest....finishing Hendrick Motorsports driver this year? Still on the hot seat? Alex could easily finish as the 2nd highest finisher on the team. Lets go 48! (edit: 8 wins in 6 years isn't that bad lol)
I agree, also Dale jr had only 9 wins in 10 seasons.
While I do agree it’s not horrible but I do believe it’s not that simple. Finishes, DNF’s, points rankings, and sponsors all play a role.
@@bertpulaski2492would the 18 be a great number for a charter?
Alex needs to win the 'chip this year in order to quiet the noise for good.
@@bertpulaski2492well he can’t finish worse than top 12 points this season. So that’s worth millions of dollars so I doubt they will can him.
I’m a Ford guy but can’t blame Haley one bit.
I really feel like Goodyear underestimated track temperatures at Watkins Glen and Bristol with the tires they brought. Watkins Glen in the first week of August is HOT. This year was very much different. I dont want to say they didn't take it into account but it wouldn't be the first time they tested during the day, thought they had something and then took it to the track for a night race and it didn't perform as expected. Looking at you All Star race at Wilkesboro...
Why can't nascar just come up with a more narrow tire for short tracks. Less contact area will have a similar effect to mire horsepower. Or just give them 900 hp
Because it'll cost the teams way more money to have different sets of wheels. The whole purpose of this car was so you can run your Watkins Glen car at Bristol, and your Bristol car at Kansas.
@@samharris3508 I agree it costs more but compared to about any other change it would seemingly cost the least and its not like teams dont ruin a wheel or two a race.
I have said this until I am blue in the face, NASCAR can not be this stupid. You widened the tire and that makes more grip. You went to low profile tires that added more grip. You put bigger brakes on the cars . Now add in the under body and defuser for even more grip. Now the cars are stuck to the ground and so dependent on air that no one can pass. Good year can make a softer tire that wears but why would they. When hoosier was here both co's brought the softest tire they could get away with and they blew out and blistered like crazy with the drivers complaining they were going to get hurt rightly so. Remember good year and hoosier both were sent home because the tires they were bringing were 1/4 inch to wide . Yes a 1/4 inch more tire on the ground makes a huge difference .Why would good year make softer tires that wear quickly. The drivers are going to get out and bad mouth the tires if they fail. Good Years real business is selling tires to the public that hold up and wear good. Most people don't understand tire technology or the difference in tires from street to race tires.
If Nascar would put the narrow tires that infinity and the craftsman trucks run back on the cars that would solve 90% of the cars problems and take away the huge brakes they run now. Good year brought a softer tire to richmond as a option tire. It was faster and still it didn't wear out because the tires are to friggin wide for a cup car. The biggest cost is making new rim's to accept the one lug nut that never should have been done in the first place just more added expense. Take a top fuel dragster with those huge rear tires and switch them to a tire 3 inch's narrower and watch what happens and they are just going straight for 3 seconds. The narrower tire would take 7 seconds . Nascar needs to raise the cars up and let the teams run their own shock packages. Thats the only way to make this kit car a race car.
One note, from Brad's comments.
"Apart" means "to separate." You should have used "a part" instead, meaning "a piece of."
I think Brad meant ...Hendrick has his hands on spire ,and supplying their equipment.
Quite possible. I can’t remember when it was, but I think it was on his podcast, Harvick was saying how when he signed with SHR, Rick had a say in that deal too
@@dstahl5260Kevin knew if he wanted to win then he needed to get into an hms car even if it wasn't at hms
Ok, I don’t know anything about tires, or areo dynamics but, here’s my fix for short tracks/road courses. First thing, optional tire on all flat, short tracks and all road courses, second, take off the rear defuser and bump up the horsepower to 700 at the short tracks and 650 at road courses, and the tires, make them have 2-3 seconds of falloff and wear out a lot quicker. That might fix some of the issues
Horsepower is already at 670 everywhere except Daytona, Talladega and Atlanta. It should be at least 750.
Seems like Pirelli is having similar issues in F1, but still say Nascar on short/road tracks should have an F1/Indy style multi tire choice mandated.
Denny Hamlin's comments on Goodyear tires sound just like George Russell's comments on the Pirelli tires in F1.
Larson's thoughts mirror my own pretty closely. I've been to Bristol several times over the years. It's an experience unlike any other. It's louder than Charlotte or Darlington, you feel like you're closer to the action, and even in the nosebleeds you can smell the exhaust and the tire smoke like nowhere else I've been. It's a full sensory track. But on TV? For as long as I can remember, it's always been a handful of fast cars competing for the win while everyone else tried to hang on for dear life. Passing was easier with earlier generation cars, sure, but that mostly meant the leaders didn't have to try so hard to lap the back of the field.
Obviously, the short track package needs work. I don't think anyone in their right mind is going to try to defend it as exceptional racing, because it's not. The Cup series just isn't as fun to watch around short tracks as, say, local series racing on Friday or Saturday night. But then, that was the case well before the next gen car came into the picture. Fire breathing monsters on the ragged edge of control are always going to be more fun to watch than spec cars designed to perform well at a variety of different tracks.
I love the fact that the NASCAR community is so connected now. We can share cool moments and geek out over obscure bits of lore and strategy and statistics in real time with strangers from across the globe. But the downside is that the community is susceptible to all the same problems of social media. We've lost our ability to see contrast and nuance. If something isn't great, then it sucks. For god's sake, calling something "mid" is an insult these days. Call me crazy, but I'd much rather accept that not every race can be a barnburner and find the good in average than get upset over a 5/10 race. Hell, I had plenty of fun watching Suarez bully Ty Gibbs for as long as he did. Even if the racing wasn't great, there was still fun to be had.
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Can we look at/talk about a slimmer/skinnier wheel? Wouldn't that take away grip, and make tires heat up more and/or faster than what we have now.
Wife and I spent our anniversary on the Bristol race, 1st time there. Both of us came away unhappy with what we saw Saturday night.
NASCAR played with the track surface with PJ1 before this race, according to NBC broadcasters. I mean, Goodyear is not the best tire company. Corvette Racing went to Michelin immediately after they got the All-US Le Mans win. The car is a lot more like a souped-up GT3 car, so is handled far better than the Gen-6 car, and that's on NASCAR. While there are factors that you can't get one tire to by the exact same, if Goodyear is still doing things the way they were doing them when they starting making the radial tires or 10 years ago, that's pretty bad. Michelin has slick tires that are intermediate tires for a drying track that they developed recently. I know NASCAR wants an American tire company to partner with, but maybe it's time to talk to other tire companies. Michelin has a manufacturing plant in South Carolina (IMSA's tires are made) and tons racing experience with all manner of cars...
I’m not a Larson fan, in fact, I root against him. But those comments he said adds a bit more respect for him. I want to see more of him speaking out
Wild idea: breakout the dirt tires for the non-dirt race. Should be interesting lol
i like the idea and that would be an interesting experiment
Can we all agree that GoodYear didn't back the same tire compound as last time, which threw off 90% of the teams setup for the race. 😳
Can we give Kyle Larson his props, for being that good of a driver. 👏
RCR, Kaulig and TrackHouse might want to start collaborating or get left behind! 🤔
If Goodyear cannot give NASCAR a consistent tire, could they ever look at a different manufacturer? Possibly Firestone or another manufacturer or is that even possible?
Do a search on what F1 drivers say about Pirelli. It's pretty much the same.
WE NEED MORE HORSEPOWER
I think they can fix some of these issues by allowing the following:
1. Add variety in parts suppliers, or add options from sole sources. Allows the teams to mix and match and see what works for them, but still have a fixed list of approved parts to choose from. I do understand that eventually everyone might be like "Oh, use this part #, it's the best of the X options."
2. Use a spec modifiable shock. You still have the same premise as a spec shock, but the option to run say, 6 different valve bodies/packing
The teams would still end up spending the same amount of money they are now, but have a little bit of freedom on what they can and can't do to the car.
As for the tires... I agree that on the slower tracks, they really need to go from a 365/35R18 to a 315/40R18 would probably help. I think anything smaller than that and you run the risk of breaking stuff left and right in the suspension.
Eric Estepp, Referring to Goodyear tire issue, it is just not NASCAR, it’s also the NHRA ( National Hot Rod Association. ) Drag Racing issue. We used to run Goodyear slicks, now we use Hoosiers Slicks. The Goodyear slicks are also getting more expensive. The Goodyear Tech support doesn’t really help , but they will mount the tires and slicks on the rims.
The option tire at Bristol would be wild (possibly). Worth a try for sure
Honestly to me, if the tires were at 70-100 laps than the 140 from a few days ago, the tires would have lasted longer than the spring but have much better racing than what we had last week
Definitely agree with Larson and he would be the expert along with Kyle Bush. Larson comments even come after dominating race with a lot of past references.
I was really bummed after the Bristol race, but honestly this is exactly what I needed! I feel a little better about the situation knowing that NASCAR recognizes it was a problem and really wants to fix it. That doesn’t guarantee it’ll suddenly get better, but it means they’re continuing to try, and recognize that what we saw this past weekend was unacceptable.
I think I speak for most fans when I say we just want NASCAR to listen and be receptive to what we all believe makes for better racing and better competition.
I agree with the "spec race car" statement. If you watch other series with similar chassis or rules the racing is very close. Not sure how NASCAR could fix that with their current platform.
Eric Estepp and everyone who's your pick to win at Kansas this weekend?
Should allow more adjustments to the cars for the drivers. As in suspension and aero. Let the teams FAFO so to speak. More gear options. I would to see some run low downforce vs high downforce in the same race. Wouldn’t be reinventing the wheel or costing a ton of $.
I been watching and going to races since I was five. And truly just loved the old days of. You always get four tires in the pits. You know the late 80’s and all of the 90’s. We are g😅to close to f1 now. And that shit sucks.
So Spire is becoming the new “old” SHR lol
HORSES.....LOTS OF EM!!! 1000+
How are we all baffled? It was the same tire as the last Fall Bristol race. That race was very similar to this one.....
I hope he’s not replacing Alex Bowman because he made it really clear that he’s staying with the Ally 48💜.
Alex Bowman is gonna be with Hendrick at least till 2026.
To solve the problem, we have to identify the problem.
The two biggest problems of the Next Gen are as follows:
Dirty air
Too much mechanical grip over a long run
Since short track races never exceed 110-130 MPH, dirty air isn’t as much of an issue. Which means that the best way to solve the lackluster short track package is to cut mechanical grip over long runs. That can be accomplished by increasing horsepower, bringing softer tires, or narrowing tread width. The latter two are the most economical.
Spire is aligned with HMS in Trucks, Xfinity, and Cup, so you probably do sign contracts with HMS.
I don't get why they don't try using the rain tires on the short tracks. They wear out fast with a lot of falloff and have less grip. Exactly what people are asking for.
I'm sure the teams also adjusted the car to take better car of the tires ad well
how much of a temperature difference was there between both bristol races? that could effect things.
I think asking GoodYear to perfectly engineer a specific lifetime or fall-off to a racing tire is an unreasonable expectation. Engineers in the real world build things to have long-enough lifetimes by making use of extra safety margins which cover for the unknown/unknowable factors. In this racing situation, the unpredictable factors are multiple. I would expect that tire wear has some exponential dependence on temperature - that is, a very small difference in temperature affects wear to a much larger degree. Moreover there must be a vicious-circle feedback that happens: a tire that is wearing out or at the threshold of its limitations starts to build more heat of its own, which increases friction, decreases softness, and leads to further increase in temperature. There may be a fine line over which the various factors become too sensitive to control in the manner that so many are requesting in UA-cam comments.
Consider rain tires. In the rain, with its cooling effect, the tires work amazingly well and have a good lifetime. Change just the cooling factor a few degrees when the track dries out, and the lifetime goes to hell FAST. I don’t think it is reasonable to expect the tire companies to balance the each track’s tire wear on a knife-edge like that. A small change in conditions may inevitably change the lifetime by factors of 2x or 3x.
(Note, I am an engineer, but not a tire engineer, so I could be very wrong. But I am just trying to impart the idea that not every wish-list change is something that is easy to design into a tire or light-bulb, etc. Lifetimes of many things are highly dependent on certain stress factors that cannot be duplicated the same in the lab as on the track.)
Sounds like HMS bought themselves a “first right” on Haley if he makes some noise in the next 2 years with better equipment and crew chief.
HMS is just being prepared. If someone gets hurt they’ll have a good backup driver and a potential replacement driver. Goodyear is not the answer to fix short track racing unless they can figure out what is going on with their compounds.
Nobody asked for wider tires.
Nobody asked for 5 gears.
Nobody asked for a better braking system.
Nobody asked for a bigger wheel with a shorter sidewall.
Nobody asked for less HP at short tracks and road courses.
I’m not blaming Goodyear but they need to stop gaslighting Nascar and the fans. Same tire my ass.
Honest question. Do you think more horsepower would cause the tire to fade quicker? I’m not saying we need the 900hp that everyone wants as much as I would love that too but maybe 100 or so more would make it harder over a long run to keep the tires under the cars
Again...I'm with Kyle Petty. I hate parity. Let the teams make their cars go fast, let the driver drive the wheels off of it, and make everyone else chase him.
Great recap and observations. Love the content, keep it up Eric!
It's pretty simple. If Bowman keeps driving like he has the last 3 weeks Haley will never see an HMS cup car. Not going to replace a sure thing with an unknown
Haley would also have time in close to equal equipment by the time a decision would be made. So at that point not an unknown..
Kyle Larson and Denny Hamlin are right. The difference between the races this year in Bristol was the temperature. Saturday night was much warmer than the spring. There was way more rubber on the track along with additional compounds. While I criticize Goodyear for doing the bare minimum in QC, I'm criticizing Nascar for its bad design in the Next Gen Car. We also have to concede dominance like Larson did the other night. We've seen Jimmie, Jeff, Dale, Richard, with Gen 3, 4 and 5 and in the last 10 years, Kyle Busch, Kevin Harvick, Martin Truex Jr., and Denny Hamlin dominate races with the Gen 6 with hp's 900, 750, 550, and even the Next Gen. So please just accept dominance and get on with life. 48nation is right, if nascar doesn't understand the correlation between those races, someone is going to lose their job because they can't compare and contrast track temps.
Unfortunately, it feels like we will never have a perfect car/race package.
This has Andretti all over it. Tier 1 Chevy team with the GM connection and Gainbridge.
Agreed. That's some deep pockets at play over at Spire.
So lets take the pressure off Goodyear and bring in other tire manufacturers. What is the brand that pairs with Ford, Toyota, and Chevy, and use those tires. There's Toyo, Michelin, Firestone, Mastercraft... Anything...
But, the Next Gen is the problem. Run the Next Gen at 1.5 miles, Gen 6 at road courses and super speedways, Gen 5 at short tracks.
With all these new drivers and new seats, I can’t wait for your video next year, predicting the playoff drivers
doesn't Spire have some alliance with Andretti ?
More Horsepower Would Help
Eric, with all these technical alliances happening in the garage (TH/Kaulig, HMS/Spire, RFK/FRM, JGR/23XI, LMC/Dumpster Fire), is NASCAR going the way of F1 with Factory Teams v. Suppliers, and if so, what would be the benefits of doing so?
No way!!!! That's the same tire compound
It was, you should understand how warm weather in the night race after a weekend of other series running vs the cooler spring with cold concrete and no other series running, the concrete was like a cheese grater in the spring...this time it had rubber in it that didn't wash away....
@@truckercowboyed2638 keep drinking that kool-aid bud. no way it was the same tire
@@Mudweisertj88even if it wasn't the same tire the track was rubbered up from the 3 previous races and the track was sprayed for the cup race only. You just sound ignorant
If I'm Trackhouse or RCR I'm opposed to bringing Spire as a key partner because it makes my team weaker. Looking at the Hendrick deal for Justin Haley it sounds like Rick Hendrick was the one that wanted Corey out of that car.
One thing I think I would like to see NASCAR try on just the short tracks is a different wheel. By that, I mean, instead of the 18", go back to the 15" wheel, which would be more sidewall. Maybe even a little more narrow. Hell, they could make it out of aluminum and keep the one lug nut for that matter. Just a thought of something different that they have not tried. They already have all the technology from the old breaks. Let him use it.
I repeat my words,
add side force (twisted sister, aka; messing with the existing bodies, shouldnt be a big money issue), rise horspower, smaller tires and get rid of the ground effect shit
That diffuser is the main issue with aero
I like the Bob Ross Happy Accident reference.
This might be a wild prediction on Haley. I highly doubt any of the current HMS drivers are under threat. But I don't think Bowman would get replaced.
Elliott's contract ends in 2026, Larson's contract ends in 2026, and Elliott's contract ends in 2027. However, William Byron's current contract ends in 2025. I'd be shocked if William were to leave HMS, but if he does, perhaps that's where Haley comes in.
Guys I got the advent calendar and I am holding myself back from opening it😭😭😭😭. Anyway, I’m pissed at Goodyear/nascar for the tires not being good like the spring
I totally agree with Kyle Larson 💯
I can feel the spire supremacy chants coming next season.
I`m up for Spire doing well in 2025.
Bigger the track less hp. Smaller the track- more hp. It’s common sense but nascar refused for no reason.
Goodyear - that's a tire brand that I will not purchase after having several sets in the past on cars and pickups though unfortunately my current F150 came with them as OE. It might be an opportune time to look at ARCA's tire of choice, General. Years back you had a choice of either Goodyear or Hoosier in NASCAR. The small company Hoosier tires, usually outlasted and out ran the vaunted Goodyears. Maybe it's time and if possible, to give teams a choice of the brand that might work better for them
Um, didn’t they spray some sort of traction compound on the track in the spring race?
Haven’t heard you (or NASCAR) mention anything about that
Seems to me if all was the same from spring to fall race EXCEPT for that traction compound spray, seems to me that is the difference. Thoughts??
I think they put something down on certain lines for this race too. I wish they would stop that.
Broooooooooooooo
just go back to the gen 6 with the 750 package.
The tires for this car have been nothing but trouble
And more horsepower isn’t going to change things nascar needs to let the teams have totally control of the cars
Lets get back to stock car, not these Euro cars. I stopped buying Good Year tires years ago. They wore out 25 to 30,000 miles and traction stunk. I buy firestone or Kumho which is a very good tire .
They desperately need to try much smaller brakes on these cars. The current brakes are way too efficient. New, smaller/less efficient brakes along with soft tires with less surface area, as well as any amount higher horsepower (even just to what the current engine can handle at 750hp compared to currently running 670hp) would noticeably improve road courses and short tracks. But there’s a good chance that this car can never be great on those tracks honestly.
Goodyear's getting a lot of stick from the teams and drivers. But Goodyear is not really getting much ROI being in NASCAR anymore. I wonder when they'll decide to pull out? NASCAR, teams and drivers -- Be careful what you wish for...
Can we all talk about the fact that Tyler Reddick admitted to giving Denny Hamlin an extra stage point at the end of the stage on broadcast tv and everyone, including nascar, seems to have just acted like it never happened.
He should recieve a massive penalty and his playoff run should be all but over.
If it's good enough for MWR, it's good enough for JGR's 5th car.
My idea for race packages would be keep the plate races the same, add full horsepower to short tracks and road courses, and a skinnier rear tire with the same horsepower for intermediate tracks.
Thank you for All this info I didn’t know all that about Justin 😊
The Next Gen car will be looked back on like the COT
COT was better, if NASCAR don't do something fast they're ain't gonna be a NASCAR!
Consistency between sets isn’t the issue it’s difference in batches so tire to tire they are within a good window but year to year or one “batch” to another may differ
Good to remember that Kes was under contract with Rick Hendrick and got released due to not enough rides to go around. More than anything this move seems to be HMS hedging its bets for future seasons. Just in case.
Plus it seems like when Hendrick has a close alliance with teams, he has a say in the drivers. Can’t remember when, but Harvick had said that Rick had a say in him signing with SHR when they were aligned with Hendrick
Brad K was next in line and then HMS decided to sign Mark Martin abruptly
I’m definitely disappointed in the lack of tire wear. I think blaming the car is wrong. In the racing I’ve done (not oval track) getting more wear out of a tire is a dream. Getting a car perfectly set up on its suspension and weight distribution for each track is an incredible challenge. Tire degradation would be better than intentionally trying to make the car handle bad. Goodyear like any other performance tire manufacturer can adjust hardness. Have them make half a dozen different hardnesses. Let NASCAR test a couple different hardnesses at each track, and then pick one. More horsepower would push the drivers to exceed the limits of the car. NASCAR is becoming like mx5 spec racing at Daytona. The cars aren’t fast enough to challenge the track and push the drivers. Other than horsepower I don’t think blaming the car is the answer.
Another BANGER! Eric Estepp Video!! 🎉🎉🎉😄👍
Still a firm believer that these softer tires would behaved the way they NASCAR wants them too if they just had more power to manage. If more power and heat gets sent through the tires it would allow them to have more fall off. But, on the contrary if that theory is correct the 2024 spring Bristol race would have been a total disaster if they had more horsepower! It would have been the next 08 Indy tire debacle all over again. These Horsepower deficient cars made a miracle out of what would of been another tire disaster.
Remember the next gen car was going to save the owners so much money
It didn't though, even before it hit the track Kyle Busch said it was gonna be more expensive.
I don't know how NASCAR or even Goodyear can be baffled by the product Saturday night. They said after the spring race that the tire compound then was the exact same as the tire compound in the 2023 night race, a compound that showed no real wear. It was clear (or at least should have been clear) from the moment that Goodyear said the spring race had the same compound as last years night race that the wear HAD to be caused by track conditions and nothing more.
I wonder if goodyear provided option tires this past weekend if the race product would've been different. Why didn't Goodyear give the teams option tires. They've run option tires past few short tracks and I honestly thought the races were good ( Richmond exception until G. W. C.) Was it the high banks that caused Goodyear to not bring the option tires?
Great job on the update about nascar u are the best
HMS always had satellite teams for as long as I could remember. MB2 and HAAS were in this position for many years.
I Think Chevy , Ford and Toyota should have their own platforms, and not have all the cars the same. Bring back old school and racing will be fun to watch again. But I can't change NASCAR.
I don’t understand the hype around Haley. I think Bowman has a higher ceiling and floor. I have don’t understand why he would be signed and replacing Bowman. Spire? Ok, sure. But Bowman and I’d say Mr. H would need his head checked.
When both drivers retire, I expect Bowmans career to be on par with a Ryan Newman to Sterling Marlin and Justin Haley to retire on par with a Jamie McMurray to Ward Burton.
does anyone know when those tires that they ran in the spring were actually made?