19:17 my ENFJ daughter does this! Her Ti is reaaaally aggressive and critical when she’s tired, and that compulsion of truth-seeking is also super present
Ditto, I am a huge fan of Science and Philosophy. Religions and relationships, I love to consider all perspective and seem to make decisions based on the common denominators, all the while trying to respect the differences. Great Video, will watch and re-watch as it is very detailed. Love it! Thank you so much.
I feel bad that Fe-dominates always get the "fake" label online. ENFJs and ESFJs are lovely people to be around. Your videos add such depth to the types.
"What use is this if it can't be used to help and inspire others?" This is my day to day life. I have to force myself to think about what makes me happy so I can use what makes me happy to connect with people.
shanny94 sha i love people but get really frustrated when someone doesnt included others or imposes judgment. I wish to be with someone who wll notice how i put a monumental amount of effort into little things to make others happy. I want someone to notice I care but I dont want the lime light for good deeds
I am ENFJ, I am obsessed with INFP's. It started from my playlist which consists of INFP singers. Now I understand why. I would love to chat with you if you want to.
I actually have an ENTJ student that recently claimed to have 'seen through' an ENFJ ex-collegue of mine. I could kind of place it at the time, but this really hammers it home. It's weird how Fe and Fi keep having these big misunderstanding about one another's motives.
An absolutely exceptional job on this video Michael. You're doing phenomenal work changing people's lives for the better. All the ENFJs on here will likely grasp & adopt the concepts & frameworks behind your videos them to eventually & hopefully spread & translate them to the masses, diligently. At the very least, I surely will. A piece of advice to all ENFJs, what you see right in front of you is exactly what is best for you. There will come a time where you will understand why things happened the way they did. You are all anchors for other types' happiness. No wonder it takes so long for us to make sense of all of it.
This is was so eloquently put, thank you! I'm a divergent ENFJ in CPT so my Ti-Ni is the pairing I possess in the highest conscious magnitude & I feel that we're often very much misinterpreted as these hyper feeling types & phonies when we're actually a truth seeking type as our Fe acts at the behest of a Ti agenda. Michael pointing out that we're extremely philosophical was on point; we're invariably well read due to our Ti-Ni in the sciences, humanities etc as we seek to make sense of the world around us.
That so explains why my Ti is one of my strongest functions while at the same time is something that I kinda over-endulge in when I'm not in a healthy place :o Very well-composed video, thanks alot Michael!
Too true, E types can get stuck in introverted function loops for quite a long time if not self-realized. I literally thought i was ISTP for years and years and wondered why none of the ISTP self-help advice worked hahaha
Just because you obsess over a function doesn't mean it is the strongest for you. In fact, it is the exact opposite. Your strongest function is something you naturally employ every day without thinking about it or worrying how good you are at it.
@@sibestfunction4400it's worth noting that I'm professionally typed as a divergent Ti-Ni ENFJ in CPT meaning I naturally lean into the divergent pairing more than Fe-Se; this can be resultant from epigenetic factors & genetics itself ie a natural predisposition...it's worth considering that there's a lot of intratype variation; I've always considered myself on the ISTP end of the spectrum. I do get your point completely re being much more balanced as I'm trying to work on my Fe-Se by getting out of my head more.
@@Hari-kx2ermy Ti-Ni is rated by CPT as the functional paring I posses in the highest conscious magnitude so it's more compulsive as opposed to obsessive as I'm a Ti-Ni ENFJ subtype; it's important to consider intratype variation although I do take your point re preference does not necessarily equate to strength. I also have a highly active Si-Ti subnetwork which consolidates my proficiency with Ti from both an Ni & Si standpoint (a codec such as Ti needs to be adjoined to a perceiving function in order to evaluate anything). I don't buy into the notion of the inferior MBTI employs as this isn't backed up by empirical observation or Jungs work but rather the concept of the oppositional proposed by CPT: Fe acts at the behest of a Ti agenda & I'd agree with CPT that from empirical observation, Fe-Ti users tend to have the most fluid axis meaning they can rotate on their axis to effectively become an ISTP or INTP in the ESFJs case in cognition. Just because someone is a Ti dom by the same token doesn't mean they're necessarily proficient in Ti-Si or Ti-Ni as predisposition isn't equivocal to proficiency (yes one may be more likely due to usage but the predicate isn't in the statement) and with that being said it's also worth pointing out that Ti-Si (concrete incremental logic) and Ti-Ni (holistic abstract logic) are quite different in how they operate. The goal of Jungian individuation is to bring all of the functional pairings into conscious recognition and as cognitively fluid beings, as neuroplascity would support, we are capable of expanding our cognitive networks. I do agree with what you're saying albeit with some caveats 😊
Oh geez. This explains literally everything. I have no kidding been stuck in my head for years trying to get the perfect model of a future world in the form of a book, and I can never...get...started because the model is never complete. It has been so bad that I've assumed at times that I must be a thinking type, or at least an Ni. I sit for hours sometimes trying to get all the pieces to come together. Thank you for this video!
It sounds like you're a Ti-Ni divergent subtype in CPT like myself. Basically we lean more into the divergent Ti-Ni pairing than our Fe-Se pairing; this can be a natural predisposition and/or resultant from epigenetic factors 😊
Man, this is a really accurate description ENFJ. When you spoke about how we use science near the end...so very true. But in all areas science (including math) and philosophy (including religion)...ENFJs are all about pulling the common good that is our humanity (interior and exterior worlds) to center stage (well, I'd say when we are doing that we feel most alive).
I was ENTJ, ENTP, and now ENFJ. I definitely went through a period that I force myself ignore my feelings. It took me a long time to learn trust people, and accept my feelings.
Hey, ENFJ here as well, and this was also me. I was an ENTJ during my late teens and early 20s, but now I'm ENFJ and sometimes ENFP because I've accepted that I don't and will never know everything and that the right people do genuinely care.
@@kesr6374 Hey Kes. I'm much more healed now and I want to say that there are people who care and do the right thing. So ye, hope you are doing well and just want to say hi to you.
@16:00 Se denotes opportunism (i.e. ability to adapt to and make benefit of immediate/present circumstances), therefore, ENFJ can make better use of the present environment and people in it to achieve his/her ideal/goals. He/she has better capacity to rally/direct people as well as modify tactics in real time as the circumstances change. Se-inferior types live out of phase of the present and are quite poor adapting to its changing circumstances. Se is primal instinct to survive, "will" as some philosophers name it.
Emphasizing Fe as actively persuading others is a big improvement. The common idea of Fe as copying others or a "harmony" function as it is commonly referred to by MBTI practitioners contradicts Socionics and my own Socionics-like model. Rather, harmonizing in the sense of copying behaviors for the sake of copying would primarily be an aspect of +Si in a Socionics and DCHN (Dominating Creative Harmonizing Normalizing) sense. Indeed, DCHN classifies Fe's focus on persuasion as a Dominating function, like Te, not as a Harmonizing function.
I agree albeit from a Cognitive Personality Theory perspective: Fe acts at the behest of a Ti agenda as both are on an inextricable axis. Indeed Fe doms can be some of the most contrarian types. We also need to consider intratype variation; im a divergent ENFJ in CPT meaning my Ti-Ni is the pairing I possess in highest conscious magnitude making me much more ISTP like. MBTI is such a static model & Fe descriptions are skewed in favour of the ESFJs Fe-Ne as opposed the specificity of the ENFJs Fe-Se. Great shout that Fe is a persuading function when it comes to the ENFJs Fe 😊
Although I have always been ENFJ every time I have taken the test, I am also heavily influenced by logic. I think a lot about people as well as academics. I can relate deeply to most thinking personality types but mostly to the traits of ENFJs. I think it's okay to be a little blended but I would like black and white answers because I have too many gray answers and it's exhausting always thinking about which one I correlate with the most. I get too absorbed in my black hole of thoughts :(
It has helped me to remember the E/I is tertiary as well. Because when being predominantly ENFJ or INFJ we all move between the “flip side” of our primary functions on an as needed basis.
I, as an total ENFj, never felt described more accurate than in this video and learned through all the over videos a lot about typology Mr. Benefactor (I guess you are ENTp) ;-) It´s funny how we always try to harmonize people through Fe, but sometimes are way to direct and even brusque when judging about people through unconscious Se and Ti and therfore sabotage ourselves. I experienced this a lot in the last time :o I´m still waiting for the ESFJ and the ESFP to complete this series. I have questions for both, but first need to explain the context: I try to find an antique philosopher, writer or statesman (mostly greek or roman) for every type. This is inspired by the socionics tradition to give the types a name of a well known historical or fictional person, the problem is most people in western culture nowadays don´t know those figures... I successfully did for every type instead for ENFp, ESFp and ESFj: ENFp: I thought about Seneca, because of his critique of Epicurs rational understanding of friendship. Sound a lot like Fi for me... ESFp: I go with the socionics assumption of Caesar being an ESFp, because he doesn´t seem to me like a visionary (in contrast to Aristotle an ENTj). More like an self-fullfilling opportunist with his very own morale-code. The thing is Caesar just wanted power for it´s own sake. An ENTj would seek power to structure the world with logic criteria (of course deeply based on his own ethical criteria). ESFj: Probably the hardest on, because they aren´t that much driven to philosophy or literacy and aren´t very ambicious concerning politics. I thought about Ovid because of his bonvivant-nature and his fundemental critique for Augustus moral reforms (ISTp woud be his supervisee).
As an ENFJ the details I pick up on that is difficult to explain to the types that do not function with Ni is that I seem highly “in tune” to environmental changes. The best example is that I pick up on energy change, mood, sound, inflect behind a seemingly simple comment. For example: to relate that I think someone made a derogatory remark is weighted by their inflect, energy, body stance, mood, facial expressions etc. behind the comment. It’s very difficult to explain to someone why I sense what I do. When I attempt to explain these details behind my thinking someone made a derogatory remark often overwhelms those types who do not have the Ni sensitivity. I see why they don’t understand me because they do not have this Ni function in their ‘primary functions’, as I do not have dominant Se…. Understanding the finer details m, as you, explain here is very helpful in understanding myself and others. Very wholly beneficial. Thank you for the deep dive into Myers Briggs typology, especially the Ni (introverted intuition functions).
Completely agree albeit I'd say this is due to the specificity and nuance of the Fe-Se pairing (the ESFJs Fe-Ne sacrifices depth for breadth of scope in CPT) hence why we're attuned to micro nuance. It was a surprise to me to learn through CPT that not everyone experiences the world this way. I'm currently having issues with boss due to picking up on such nuances & as you say it's very difficult to articulate this to other people as it's the inflection, body language etc as opposed to what she's saying in & of itself. I can often find social situations very exhausting for this reason as it's like the 6th sense you can't shut off.
OH MY GOSH THIS IS MY FRIEND! I'm an INFP, and every time we argue, he pulls some crazy correlation between the argument and some "greater than life" underlying moral principle to show me why I am wrong and how I'm missing the bigger picture. We argued one time about MMA and he correlated that to ancient roman gladiators killing each other just reskinned for modern times and that it's wrong(which is a cool correlation in my opinion, but geez to judge people for watching it that harshly, come on!). But later he watched Ronda Rousey get knocked out. Oh my gosh. Thanks Mike Pierce. Also my friend is VERY drawn to eastern monks and Buddha, you hit the nail on the head with that one. Also he is always preaching on political topics, and thinks no one listens to him.
Squali I am very uncomfortable with people watching others physically beat each other as “entertainment”. It gives me a confounded sort of feeling towards them, and honestly, I’m a bit scared and hesitant to get close to those heavily involved in this sort of brazen show of “power”. I’ll just be here listening to some songs about giving peace a chance:)
@@zain4019 I totally understand why it's uncomfortable. If you boiled the raw essence of martial arts, it's an expression, in most cultures for thousands upon thousands of years. Having all these expressions displayed in the modern age, within a "cage" or performance setting intrigues many people. Unfortunately it is one that requires violence, much like other sporting events. I love it. It's one of my biggest passions. Dichotomosly, it hurts to see another man or woman suffer from a loss or injury. As a whole, it may be one of the greatest forms of both mental and physical expression. Much like Dance, Gymnastics, Sports. But yes, it's messy, violent and requires much blood
So in short, ENFJ’s are the idealistic heroes that upholds the law, fight for justice, and the main protagonist of a story? The do gooders and the “I shall vanquish evil!!!” type and also like the perfect knight in shining armor? And also fight for the people? Naturally “perfect?”
I'd rather spin that and say the notion of 'justice' and 'truth' is not necessarily something that people are receptive to, especially as Fe acts at the behest of a Ti agenda, many can perceive us as too impartial & even devils advocates; at least I am. I think the propensity towards rationalism is often down played when it comes to the ENFJ. It can be a lonely road when many people have their own subjective agendas (and I can totally appreciate why) that they're antagonistic to an objective overview which we aim for (or at least as objective as is humanely possible). Many people due to the inner orientation of our Ti-Ni are not aware of our highly abstract cerebral side due to our Fe-Se personable persona 😊
This was an exemplary elucidation of the ENFJ albeit the only aspect I have some reservation for would be the notion of Ti inferior. I'm typed by CPT as a divergent ENFJ meaning my Ti-Ni pairing is the pairing I possess in the highest conscious magnitude as my axis is particularly fluid. It's worth noting that Fe-Ti types tend to have the most fluid axis or rather propensity towards fluidity - well according to CPT which from experience I happen to agree with. I do agree with the notion however that they have a synergistic relationship. I'm often mistaken for an ISTP or INTP because of my Ti-Ni convergence, in part due to my Fe-Se being much more directive in nature. Although this content does address this directly (which I appreciate you can't capture everything), it's important to consider the variability of intratype variation. My twin is a default ENFJ and therefore we're cognitively quite different people; convergent Fe-Se subtypes are even more so. I'd also like to add that Ti can only be properly elucidated when adjoined to a perceiving function, hence for the ENFJ Ni acts at the behest of a Ti agenda: they are holistic/abstract cerebral thinkers compared to the incrementalism say of the INTPs Ti-Si. That being said I do have a highly conscious ISFJ auxillary network so my Si-Ti convergence is high in conscious magnitude. Apologies I'm not ripping to pieces this content I thought it was exceptional I just wanted to point out a few caveats that are worth mentioning 😊. I would add that the compulsion for Ti truth seeking is on point!
Hi! You definitely caught my attention... How does it feel to be an ENFJ-T??? I have an ENFJ female coworker and some times I find too hard to understand her and to get along well together. Greetings.
@@SVTX.AP0L0_ Histrionic Personality Disorder. Its basically what happens as a result of sexual abuse by a relative at adolescence. Only difference is that I don't wanna fuck, I just wanna help. And that luckily, I wasn't sexually abused at adolescence. Okay, two differences then :-).
5:21 As an ENTP, this is almost exactly how I feel about Fi types lol It's like, they can get weirdly adamant over what seems to be nothing to me? I just find myself wondering "Why?"
Me too as an ENFJ I'm often perceived as a troll on forums for being so objective & impartial but I can't help the fact that my Fe operates at the behest of a Ti agenda. I had some guy go nuts at me cos I politely told him that we can't put neurotypicals & neurodivergence into these binary constructs & start assigning behaviourally imbued ubiquitous stereotypes to them based on such erroneous over generalisations; the fact that I even drawn parallels between us all as a human species really hit him hard as he'd like to keep the neurotypicals in the respective 'evil box' (I'm neurodivergent by the way so was perceived as a traitor)...sorry for the impromptu tangent...I just can't stand it when people aren't even receptive to rationale thought & take what I say as being implicitly offensive
Thank you for your eloquent description, Mr. Pierce. I, too have been waiting on you for some time now. I understand the references to enfj potentially "pushy" sort of description when talking to fi, and I very well will admit I have little patience for those who think but don't act. I did not like the idea of the stick figures stumbling over their own ti, as if the general prototype of the enfj is not made to utilize a function that works in tandem with Fe as part of its own design. It comes across as if you believe a star fish will stumble over one of its five arms, when it to not have that appendage would change the entire organism, ontologically. I also disliked the borrowing of the sword from infp. John lennon, if truly infp, had a sword, however i find their subjective explanation in moral reasoning to be completely made up. They are just flying up there in the sea of neat awareness and in the mean time never make moves. You have to make moves.
I take it you're not that much Fe friendly? I loved the star photo and I would definitely agree. We are not so fussy as all of the rest of what you're saying here... We will be your truest friend and your truest enemy. If you don't know where you stand with an enfj, chances are you aren't observant enough to figure out why or patient enough to simply ask. In those kinds of situations, enfj can produce lion side qualities. Most enfjs evolve out of this rock and hard place with non feeler or fi types. Eventually we become transcendent ray Charles to the bsh
How did you deduce he's not Fe friendly? He's INFJ, Fe is very valuable to him! I think what he's done is list pros and cons of both Fi and Fe, rather than "omg Fe is so much better!!! Fi sucks, because they never make moves" - more along the lines of what you've said above...
+Grand Master Yoda yes. I did say that I have had some run ins with fi users that totally upset me. It is confusing because fi is authentic to the self and I value that very much but some or most fi users I have met do not make any use of the subjective feeling. It doesn't change their attitude and in doing so change their environment! What's the point of being effected by the world's problems if you just use the experience to augment your own personality. Fi throws itself into nooks and crannies, and applies itself to niche, yet suffers all the time for it than is thankful and mystified by that. I just can't get over that and then if you add a value judgement that an fi user will place on me for not being that way is so so boring! Frustrating
+Grand Master Yoda I'm very annoyed that people tend to think they will "unmask" an enfj by taking a part their functions----you can't do it. We authentically morph but the locus of control is way stronger than you'd think. A grounded enfj will effect ppl and that's not manipulation it's just what comes natural to us, it's like our view of human nature.
@@teacupnoirvery well put; we are authentic it's just our capacity & propensity to morph that is observable by others. I'm still waiting for someone to deconstruct my Ti-Ni not my Fi-Si...that would be by far more painful to me.
hallo， another enfj here. thanks for the video. It is amazing. Please check on ur box description, there is a mistyped, in table on content part, it is ought to be "inferior Ti" not "inferior Ne"
Do you mean very direct, confrontational, constant “No, you’re wrong!” attitude? I feel like it’s Ne critic, and they are critical with others‘ wants, as well as being stubborn about people’s thinking.
Hi Michael not a criticism at all but I'm surprised you didn't mention a lot of the overlaps & similarities between the ENFJ & ISTP especially with regards the SeNi axis indeed both types are incredibly perceptive when it comes to the psychology of people. It's one of my favourite past times with a fellow ISTP friends. I think whilst yes INFJs are incredibly aware on an intellectual/logical level their limited Se engagement can struggle to pick up on subtle nuances in real time, a problem which the ENFJ & ISTP don't have. I'm a proponent of CPT & don't believe in the concept of MBTIs inferior function so I'm not saying this is applicable to all INFJs albeit I will agree with Harry & say INFJs are, as an INFJ himself, logically not emotionally predictive of others. INFJs will often have to retreat back to their NiTi to formulate a solution/insight whereas the ISTP & ENFJ can do this in real Se time.
20:36 the best way to overcome that is to realize there is no truth and that is the truth. That you know nothing and that is knowledge. You can use your Ti for anything. Not just something specific. Logic, just like everything else, is constructive in nature. Don't be so hard on yourself ENFJ.
Well, well... I've written and rewritten this message a few times but couldn't be satisfied/am not on the mood to build an argument, and came to the conclusion I'll eventually (eventually) try to submit a few of my typings to celebritytypes, meanwhile, I encourage anyone who is interested on the subject to try and figure this out themselves. I'd just like to leave this here as well: "We shape our buildings; thereafter they shape us" - Winston Churchill.
I agree. His "philosophy" and "teachings" sound nice to the ear, but logically make no sense. He makes no sense. Yet he wants to find bigger and bigger stages for people to hear his blabber. What I find funny is I can tell who has a low Ti by seeing who really likes Alain the Botton.
I don't think his philosophy strictly makes no sense and I actually like him, but I also understand what you mean. The impression I get is that he is trying to accommodate many different views along his own and doesn't take proper "care" to make them all... coherently intertwined, I guess. If you are able to look past that, some of his insights are very interesting, important even. Even some I myself wouldn't otherwise agree with... I think if I had heard about him some years earlier I would've not liked him either. :}
I think he might be an INFP, actually. He formally studied philosophy and many of his videos seem to be a Ne-Si cherry-picking of sorts, and filtered through his own Fi. Inferior Te can sometimes manifest itself as, "this specific Fi experience and value is applicable to EVERYONE, because I understand this because I've felt it." he doesn't necessarily have his own insights, he refers to already established Te philosophy, and presents it through Fi filters. In a Ne-Si way, many of his videos have the same fundamental POINT but he sees each extrapolation of how it can manifest as different.
I don't think that's what Michael is saying but rather trying to represent a contrast between Fe & Fi. Remember in CPT INTP would be the opposite type albeit they're very similar they just start from antithetical cognitive origins hence why the INTP/ENFJ pairing works very well.
INFJ - More focused on developing a Ti system that justifies their Fe concerns. Better theoretical philosophers ENFJ - More focused on Se actualisation of their Fe concerns. Better Social activists
It's very much going to be contingent upon your subtype as there's a lot of intratype variation. You could check out Cognitive Personality Theories contrast video. Overall, the ENFJ tends to have a much more serious demeanour than the INFJ as they seek to actualise their Ti-Ni in reality. Meanwhile many INFJs are happy conceptualising in their own heads; putting their theories out there is often secondary to formulation
I am an intp and a close friend of mine whom I'm not sure if I can call my best friend anymore is an enfj. If other enfj's are like my friend (which is probably the case because this video describes my friend perfectly) then when they are in the grip of Ti they can be incredibly dangerous people. Recently my friend has gone into an extended period of being in the grip and they have become incredibly foolish and incapable of being reasoned with. They have become intolerant of other's opinions and feelings for the sake of a moral high ground. One that they have been unsuccessful in proving is relevant or exists. It has resulted in them fueling the harassment of others. Its depressing and mind boggling to watch. This was a person I admired for their ability to be diplomatic, their observation skills, and their objectivity. But ti is hideous in these individuals.
yea but you can mature through experiences and build rational control over this cloud of thought. I'm ashamed to say that I was more so like this but I learned that I don't have to and shouldn't want to be right all the time about everything.
@@hiddenidentity302 I'm glad you were able to grow. This enfj friend I described two years ago now hasn't really gotten better. I've learned hes a chameleon. I always saw him as smart, but when he appeared as cool and smart he was in an environment of mostly ti doms. He acted like us because thats what was what he thought we wanted to see. When he was around fi and fe doms he acted like them. When he was my best friend he reflected my thoughts. Now he reflects the thoughts of his infp girlfriend. Right down to the point of having a completely different code of ethics. In some ways he never even really had his own thoughts or values. He never really was real. And thats kinda sad to me.
@@Moonlitwatersofaqua sounds like a bit of a psychopath. probably an exception. I think we feel strongly about who we are and aren't afraid to voice it. If I met a person who is constantly switching around different people, my brain alarm bells would be going off. We don't like this and can see through it.
@@hiddenidentity302 If my friend had antisocial tendencies I feel he would have done more bad things than just be a mindless follower who bullied his friends because his girlfriend said so. And then proceeded to insist he was right to bully me and morally superior even long after his girlfriend realized what she did was wrong and apologized. I may not have had good experiences with fe doms to be honest because my former bes friend's behaviour wasn't unique. The other enfj I knew was the type to complain about drama and gossip all while being the type to start the drama and gossip. He also liked trigger jokes and hated people who were telling the truth but were unpleasent about it, yet liked people who lied constantly but wre nice about it. It was tiresome. My ex boyfriend was an esfj whom I dated because I have no self respect. He was the stereotype of what people think home schooled kids are like. A bad education where bible thumping replaces actual curriculum. He grew up in an environment where his thoughts and opinions were never valued so he never developed his lower functions. He was horrifically racist. He talked about lynching mexicans and committing genocide on gay people. he denied the holocaust he believed in creationism. Just the worst. if you challenged what he thought he would insult you instead of actually defend himself. But the thing is, most people would have never known he believed such vile things. His fe was able to pick up on the fact voicing those things wouldn't make him friends. Yet Fe also couldn't make the logical step to get rid of those beliefs. Because he never developed any critical thinking skills many people scammed him over and over. Being an obedient follower worked as a kid but failed him in adulthood. Now I'm feeling bad, I feel like I found the stereotypes of why people don't like fe doms.
This sounds like someone who hasn't fully integrated their Ti. I'm a divergent ENFJ in CPT & my Ti-Ni is the pairing I possess in the highest conscious magnitude...Ti is far from inferior indeed Fe-Ti tend to have the most fluid axis. It doesn't sound like you're describing Fe doms at all but rather falling for ubiquitous behaviourally imbued stereotypes; we're an objective and rationale bunch of people as Fe acts at the behest of a Ti agenda (it's the opposite for an INTP for example). Many, many ESFPs & Fi authority types tend to mistype as the rare ENFJ, plus ESFJs & ENFJs are not similar types.
my god, i love them or would love unless they didn't have that creepy bill cosby (enfj) kind of fakeness to them where they are disrespectful as hell while theyre seen as the moral compass. not that thy're all psychos but this can happen where they build a mask very well.
I'd agree unhealthy ENFJs are capable of this take Hannibal from the same named series, he's an ENFJ commonly mistyped as INTJ. The notion that Fe-Se is fake however is a misnomer; Fe-Se is attuned to micro nuance that most people don't pick up on - the meaning behind the words. Remember Fe acts at the behest of a Ti agenda (it's far from inferior); objective truth is the ENFJs North Star.
Thankyou guys for understanding where i come from. I actually really love a healthy enfj, they can be heroic and get on the same level with my Ni thoughts. I never want to generalize anyone to be a bad type. Its just that I've dealth with narcissistic enfjs in early childhood and teens and i understand that they had a shitty childhood and they're extremely dependent on the Fe external validation all the time and if they're belittled rejected humiliated etc in childhood, they're always going to be acting from that internal deep sense of worthlesness as a controlling emotionally manipulative monsterous person who puts everyone they can in a pressurecooker of guilt tripping and intimidation, and nobody will believe the victims because the enfj is so freaking lovable, right? It's horrible how they get away with things. At least when i was under attack of an estp, everyone knew they were an edgelord so people would believe their shitty side was there, lol.
Hey Micheal! Talk about you not getting the functions right which you don't primarily use yourself - the point about infp-awareness at 14:13 was absolutely relatable and well explained. Generally you seem to have been able to describe functions like Fi really well this time. I've just been too exhausted and missing time in the past days to watch your video again.
19:17 my ENFJ daughter does this! Her Ti is reaaaally aggressive and critical when she’s tired, and that compulsion of truth-seeking is also super present
I'm an enfj and I do actually have an interest in both philosophy and astronomy incredible accuracy dude nice video 👌
Same
Same. ENFJ, philosophy degree.
Hey am enjf same to me add to that neuroscience and spirituality 💛
Philosophy and Mathematics for me
Ditto, I am a huge fan of Science and Philosophy. Religions and relationships, I love to consider all perspective and seem to make decisions based on the common denominators, all the while trying to respect the differences. Great Video, will watch and re-watch as it is very detailed. Love it! Thank you so much.
I feel bad that Fe-dominates always get the "fake" label online. ENFJs and ESFJs are lovely people to be around. Your videos add such depth to the types.
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I like them quite a lot:)
True
Not just online 😢
"What use is this if it can't be used to help and inspire others?" This is my day to day life. I have to force myself to think about what makes me happy so I can use what makes me happy to connect with people.
Literally the best description I've come across.
I'm an infp... don't know why I'm obsessed with learning about ENFJs lol
shanny94 sha i love people but get really frustrated when someone doesnt included others or imposes judgment. I wish to be with someone who wll notice how i put a monumental amount of effort into little things to make others happy. I want someone to notice I care but I dont want the lime light for good deeds
Were amazing, that’s why 😏
shanny94 sha
Same! I adore their love of people and understanding of others and their emotions. They’re so gifted!
enfj is your shadow, but in others your most compatible type.
I am ENFJ, I am obsessed with INFP's. It started from my playlist which consists of INFP singers. Now I understand why. I would love to chat with you if you want to.
I actually have an ENTJ student that recently claimed to have 'seen through' an ENFJ ex-collegue of mine. I could kind of place it at the time, but this really hammers it home. It's weird how Fe and Fi keep having these big misunderstanding about one another's motives.
An absolutely exceptional job on this video Michael. You're doing phenomenal work changing people's lives for the better. All the ENFJs on here will likely grasp & adopt the concepts & frameworks behind your videos them to eventually & hopefully spread & translate them to the masses, diligently. At the very least, I surely will.
A piece of advice to all ENFJs, what you see right in front of you is exactly what is best for you. There will come a time where you will understand why things happened the way they did. You are all anchors for other types' happiness. No wonder it takes so long for us to make sense of all of it.
This is was so eloquently put, thank you! I'm a divergent ENFJ in CPT so my Ti-Ni is the pairing I possess in the highest conscious magnitude & I feel that we're often very much misinterpreted as these hyper feeling types & phonies when we're actually a truth seeking type as our Fe acts at the behest of a Ti agenda. Michael pointing out that we're extremely philosophical was on point; we're invariably well read due to our Ti-Ni in the sciences, humanities etc as we seek to make sense of the world around us.
That so explains why my Ti is one of my strongest functions while at the same time is something that I kinda over-endulge in when I'm not in a healthy place :o
Very well-composed video, thanks alot Michael!
Too true, E types can get stuck in introverted function loops for quite a long time if not self-realized. I literally thought i was ISTP for years and years and wondered why none of the ISTP self-help advice worked hahaha
I was in that loop for so long lol. For me it was Ni and Ti loop
Just because you obsess over a function doesn't mean it is the strongest for you. In fact, it is the exact opposite. Your strongest function is something you naturally employ every day without thinking about it or worrying how good you are at it.
@@sibestfunction4400it's worth noting that I'm professionally typed as a divergent Ti-Ni ENFJ in CPT meaning I naturally lean into the divergent pairing more than Fe-Se; this can be resultant from epigenetic factors & genetics itself ie a natural predisposition...it's worth considering that there's a lot of intratype variation; I've always considered myself on the ISTP end of the spectrum. I do get your point completely re being much more balanced as I'm trying to work on my Fe-Se by getting out of my head more.
@@Hari-kx2ermy Ti-Ni is rated by CPT as the functional paring I posses in the highest conscious magnitude so it's more compulsive as opposed to obsessive as I'm a Ti-Ni ENFJ subtype; it's important to consider intratype variation although I do take your point re preference does not necessarily equate to strength. I also have a highly active Si-Ti subnetwork which consolidates my proficiency with Ti from both an Ni & Si standpoint (a codec such as Ti needs to be adjoined to a perceiving function in order to evaluate anything). I don't buy into the notion of the inferior MBTI employs as this isn't backed up by empirical observation or Jungs work but rather the concept of the oppositional proposed by CPT: Fe acts at the behest of a Ti agenda & I'd agree with CPT that from empirical observation, Fe-Ti users tend to have the most fluid axis meaning they can rotate on their axis to effectively become an ISTP or INTP in the ESFJs case in cognition. Just because someone is a Ti dom by the same token doesn't mean they're necessarily proficient in Ti-Si or Ti-Ni as predisposition isn't equivocal to proficiency (yes one may be more likely due to usage but the predicate isn't in the statement) and with that being said it's also worth pointing out that Ti-Si (concrete incremental logic) and Ti-Ni (holistic abstract logic) are quite different in how they operate. The goal of Jungian individuation is to bring all of the functional pairings into conscious recognition and as cognitively fluid beings, as neuroplascity would support, we are capable of expanding our cognitive networks. I do agree with what you're saying albeit with some caveats 😊
Profound purple is a pleasing color. Besides being just so quirkily illuminating, dude, you are legitimately hilarious. :'D
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Oh geez. This explains literally everything. I have no kidding been stuck in my head for years trying to get the perfect model of a future world in the form of a book, and I can never...get...started because the model is never complete. It has been so bad that I've assumed at times that I must be a thinking type, or at least an Ni. I sit for hours sometimes trying to get all the pieces to come together. Thank you for this video!
It sounds like you're a Ti-Ni divergent subtype in CPT like myself. Basically we lean more into the divergent Ti-Ni pairing than our Fe-Se pairing; this can be a natural predisposition and/or resultant from epigenetic factors 😊
Man, this is a really accurate description ENFJ. When you spoke about how we use science near the end...so very true.
But in all areas science (including math) and philosophy (including religion)...ENFJs are all about pulling the common good that is our humanity (interior and exterior worlds) to center stage (well, I'd say when we are doing that we feel most alive).
Also, Micheal...your work is so very good. I've listened to a few of the types and I'm hooked on your presentation of them.
I was ENTJ, ENTP, and now ENFJ. I definitely went through a period that I force myself ignore my feelings. It took me a long time to learn trust people, and accept my feelings.
Good for you.
Hey, ENFJ here as well, and this was also me. I was an ENTJ during my late teens and early 20s, but now I'm ENFJ and sometimes ENFP because I've accepted that I don't and will never know everything and that the right people do genuinely care.
@@kesr6374 Hey Kes. I'm much more healed now and I want to say that there are people who care and do the right thing. So ye, hope you are doing well and just want to say hi to you.
"Sorry about your name" lol
@16:00 Se denotes opportunism (i.e. ability to adapt to and make benefit of immediate/present circumstances), therefore, ENFJ can make better use of the present environment and people in it to achieve his/her ideal/goals. He/she has better capacity to rally/direct people as well as modify tactics in real time as the circumstances change.
Se-inferior types live out of phase of the present and are quite poor adapting to its changing circumstances.
Se is primal instinct to survive, "will" as some philosophers name it.
Emphasizing Fe as actively persuading others is a big improvement.
The common idea of Fe as copying others or a "harmony" function as it is commonly referred to by MBTI practitioners contradicts Socionics and my own Socionics-like model. Rather, harmonizing in the sense of copying behaviors for the sake of copying would primarily be an aspect of +Si in a Socionics and DCHN (Dominating Creative Harmonizing Normalizing) sense.
Indeed, DCHN classifies Fe's focus on persuasion as a Dominating function, like Te, not as a Harmonizing function.
I agree albeit from a Cognitive Personality Theory perspective: Fe acts at the behest of a Ti agenda as both are on an inextricable axis. Indeed Fe doms can be some of the most contrarian types. We also need to consider intratype variation; im a divergent ENFJ in CPT meaning my Ti-Ni is the pairing I possess in highest conscious magnitude making me much more ISTP like. MBTI is such a static model & Fe descriptions are skewed in favour of the ESFJs Fe-Ne as opposed the specificity of the ENFJs Fe-Se. Great shout that Fe is a persuading function when it comes to the ENFJs Fe 😊
Always glad to see one of these thanks
8:51 As an INFP, I strongly relate to the ENFJs description.
Typology is sometimes exhaustingly contradictory:(
Although I have always been ENFJ every time I have taken the test, I am also heavily influenced by logic. I think a lot about people as well as academics. I can relate deeply to most thinking personality types but mostly to the traits of ENFJs. I think it's okay to be a little blended but I would like black and white answers because I have too many gray answers and it's exhausting always thinking about which one I correlate with the most. I get too absorbed in my black hole of thoughts :(
It has helped me to remember the E/I is tertiary as well. Because when being predominantly ENFJ or INFJ we all move between the “flip side” of our primary functions on an as needed basis.
Transition into 6:45 made me laugh. Brilliant move, Mr.Pierce!
I, as an total ENFj, never felt described more accurate than in this video and learned through all the over videos a lot about typology Mr. Benefactor (I guess you are ENTp) ;-)
It´s funny how we always try to harmonize people through Fe, but sometimes are way to direct and even brusque when judging about people through unconscious Se and Ti and therfore sabotage ourselves. I experienced this a lot in the last time :o
I´m still waiting for the ESFJ and the ESFP to complete this series. I have questions for both, but first need to explain the context:
I try to find an antique philosopher, writer or statesman (mostly greek or roman) for every type. This is inspired by the socionics tradition to give the types a name of a well known historical or fictional person, the problem is most people in western culture nowadays don´t know those figures...
I successfully did for every type instead for ENFp, ESFp and ESFj:
ENFp: I thought about Seneca, because of his critique of Epicurs rational understanding of friendship. Sound a lot like Fi for me...
ESFp: I go with the socionics assumption of Caesar being an ESFp, because he doesn´t seem to me like a visionary (in contrast to Aristotle an ENTj). More like an self-fullfilling opportunist with his very own morale-code. The thing is Caesar just wanted power for it´s own sake. An ENTj would seek power to structure the world with logic criteria (of course deeply based on his own ethical criteria).
ESFj: Probably the hardest on, because they aren´t that much driven to philosophy or literacy and aren´t very ambicious concerning politics. I thought about Ovid because of his bonvivant-nature and his fundemental critique for Augustus moral reforms (ISTp woud be his supervisee).
Michael Pierce is an INFJ
9:31 ENTP: "DUH. That was the whole point. I was being sitirical, to lighten the mood a bit. *sigh*...😞"
As an ENFJ the details I pick up on that is difficult to explain to the types that do not function with Ni is that I seem highly “in tune” to environmental changes. The best example is that I pick up on energy change, mood, sound, inflect behind a seemingly simple comment.
For example: to relate that I think someone made a derogatory remark is weighted by their inflect, energy, body stance, mood, facial expressions etc. behind the comment.
It’s very difficult to explain to someone why I sense what I do.
When I attempt to explain these details behind my thinking someone made a derogatory remark often overwhelms those types who do not have the Ni sensitivity. I see why they don’t understand me because they do not have this Ni function in their ‘primary functions’, as I do not have dominant Se….
Understanding the finer details m, as you, explain here is very helpful in understanding myself and others. Very wholly beneficial.
Thank you for the deep dive into Myers Briggs typology, especially the Ni (introverted intuition functions).
Completely agree albeit I'd say this is due to the specificity and nuance of the Fe-Se pairing (the ESFJs Fe-Ne sacrifices depth for breadth of scope in CPT) hence why we're attuned to micro nuance. It was a surprise to me to learn through CPT that not everyone experiences the world this way. I'm currently having issues with boss due to picking up on such nuances & as you say it's very difficult to articulate this to other people as it's the inflection, body language etc as opposed to what she's saying in & of itself. I can often find social situations very exhausting for this reason as it's like the 6th sense you can't shut off.
@@AnyaAnnika67YESS
ENFJ here, thank you for the exceptionally well researched and thought out video. I will return to it again and again to learn more about myself.
OH MY GOSH THIS IS MY FRIEND! I'm an INFP, and every time we argue, he pulls some crazy correlation between the argument and some "greater than life" underlying moral principle to show me why I am wrong and how I'm missing the bigger picture. We argued one time about MMA and he correlated that to ancient roman gladiators killing each other just reskinned for modern times and that it's wrong(which is a cool correlation in my opinion, but geez to judge people for watching it that harshly, come on!). But later he watched Ronda Rousey get knocked out. Oh my gosh. Thanks Mike Pierce. Also my friend is VERY drawn to eastern monks and Buddha, you hit the nail on the head with that one. Also he is always preaching on political topics, and thinks no one listens to him.
I’m an infp as well with an enfj dad, he does this too - always contradicts himself in arguments
Squali
I am very uncomfortable with people watching others physically beat each other as “entertainment”. It gives me a confounded sort of feeling towards them, and honestly, I’m a bit scared and hesitant to get close to those heavily involved in this sort of brazen show of “power”.
I’ll just be here listening to some songs about giving peace a chance:)
@@zain4019 I totally understand why it's uncomfortable. If you boiled the raw essence of martial arts, it's an expression, in most cultures for thousands upon thousands of years. Having all these expressions displayed in the modern age, within a "cage" or performance setting intrigues many people. Unfortunately it is one that requires violence, much like other sporting events. I love it. It's one of my biggest passions. Dichotomosly, it hurts to see another man or woman suffer from a loss or injury. As a whole, it may be one of the greatest forms of both mental and physical expression. Much like Dance, Gymnastics, Sports. But yes, it's messy, violent and requires much blood
I LOVE your drawings
So in short, ENFJ’s are the idealistic heroes that upholds the law, fight for justice, and the main protagonist of a story? The do gooders and the “I shall vanquish evil!!!” type and also like the perfect knight in shining armor? And also fight for the people? Naturally “perfect?”
Tyler Cottingham yes
Tyler Cottingham
Are you an ENFJ? Just a guess:)
You’re totally right, nonetheless:)
How can any human even perfect? We ENFJs have our own struggles you know.
It's what we strive for
I'd rather spin that and say the notion of 'justice' and 'truth' is not necessarily something that people are receptive to, especially as Fe acts at the behest of a Ti agenda, many can perceive us as too impartial & even devils advocates; at least I am. I think the propensity towards rationalism is often down played when it comes to the ENFJ. It can be a lonely road when many people have their own subjective agendas (and I can totally appreciate why) that they're antagonistic to an objective overview which we aim for (or at least as objective as is humanely possible). Many people due to the inner orientation of our Ti-Ni are not aware of our highly abstract cerebral side due to our Fe-Se personable persona 😊
YEEEESSSS thanks!!
This was an exemplary elucidation of the ENFJ albeit the only aspect I have some reservation for would be the notion of Ti inferior. I'm typed by CPT as a divergent ENFJ meaning my Ti-Ni pairing is the pairing I possess in the highest conscious magnitude as my axis is particularly fluid. It's worth noting that Fe-Ti types tend to have the most fluid axis or rather propensity towards fluidity - well according to CPT which from experience I happen to agree with. I do agree with the notion however that they have a synergistic relationship. I'm often mistaken for an ISTP or INTP because of my Ti-Ni convergence, in part due to my Fe-Se being much more directive in nature. Although this content does address this directly (which I appreciate you can't capture everything), it's important to consider the variability of intratype variation. My twin is a default ENFJ and therefore we're cognitively quite different people; convergent Fe-Se subtypes are even more so. I'd also like to add that Ti can only be properly elucidated when adjoined to a perceiving function, hence for the ENFJ Ni acts at the behest of a Ti agenda: they are holistic/abstract cerebral thinkers compared to the incrementalism say of the INTPs Ti-Si. That being said I do have a highly conscious ISFJ auxillary network so my Si-Ti convergence is high in conscious magnitude. Apologies I'm not ripping to pieces this content I thought it was exceptional I just wanted to point out a few caveats that are worth mentioning 😊. I would add that the compulsion for Ti truth seeking is on point!
I am an ENFJ-T and this is so accurate, it scared my socks off. This is as if the narrator knows me.
Hi!
You definitely caught my attention... How does it feel to be an ENFJ-T???
I have an ENFJ female coworker and some times I find too hard to understand her and to get along well together.
Greetings.
@@SVTX.AP0L0_ Its basically like being an HPD but without the sex part.. I have to help ppl to keep my self esteem going.
@@nyyotam4057 What does "HPD "stand for?
@@SVTX.AP0L0_ Histrionic Personality Disorder. Its basically what happens as a result of sexual abuse by a relative at adolescence. Only difference is that I don't wanna fuck, I just wanna help. And that luckily, I wasn't sexually abused at adolescence. Okay, two differences then :-).
ENFJ-T here. I can say it kinda sucked having very different introvert roommates
5:00 lol! I had to replay that "scene" because I had stopped listening and putting all of my attention into the bizarreness unfolding. Poor INFP.
“Sorry about your name” I died 😂
Philosophy and Science...Yes!
God, this was scary. Thank you.
5:21 As an ENTP, this is almost exactly how I feel about Fi types lol
It's like, they can get weirdly adamant over what seems to be nothing to me? I just find myself wondering "Why?"
Me too as an ENFJ I'm often perceived as a troll on forums for being so objective & impartial but I can't help the fact that my Fe operates at the behest of a Ti agenda. I had some guy go nuts at me cos I politely told him that we can't put neurotypicals & neurodivergence into these binary constructs & start assigning behaviourally imbued ubiquitous stereotypes to them based on such erroneous over generalisations; the fact that I even drawn parallels between us all as a human species really hit him hard as he'd like to keep the neurotypicals in the respective 'evil box' (I'm neurodivergent by the way so was perceived as a traitor)...sorry for the impromptu tangent...I just can't stand it when people aren't even receptive to rationale thought & take what I say as being implicitly offensive
Hi, Michael there are some clipping/skipping in the audio. Thought I'd let you know. Good video though !
I had to pause the video just to say the image at 5:07 is hilarious
One of the individuals on celebritytypes that I maintain they have typed wrong: Anthony Robbins as an ESFP when ENFJ seems much more appropriate.
Typing mistake in content list
# change inferior Ne to inferior Ti
Omg the snarling dog saying you missed a spot 😬😂😂
"I hope im not stereotyping" LMFAO
some times i think that enfjs are like Saint Michael the Archangel, i clearly see his sword.
Not bad!
Thank you for your eloquent description, Mr. Pierce. I, too have been waiting on you for some time now. I understand the references to enfj potentially "pushy" sort of description when talking to fi, and I very well will admit I have little patience for those who think but don't act. I did not like the idea of the stick figures stumbling over their own ti, as if the general prototype of the enfj is not made to utilize a function that works in tandem with Fe as part of its own design. It comes across as if you believe a star fish will stumble over one of its five arms, when it to not have that appendage would change the entire organism, ontologically. I also disliked the borrowing of the sword from infp. John lennon, if truly infp, had a sword, however i find their subjective explanation in moral reasoning to be completely made up. They are just flying up there in the sea of neat awareness and in the mean time never make moves. You have to make moves.
I take it you're not that much Fe friendly? I loved the star photo and I would definitely agree. We are not so fussy as all of the rest of what you're saying here... We will be your truest friend and your truest enemy. If you don't know where you stand with an enfj, chances are you aren't observant enough to figure out why or patient enough to simply ask. In those kinds of situations, enfj can produce lion side qualities. Most enfjs evolve out of this rock and hard place with non feeler or fi types. Eventually we become transcendent ray Charles to the bsh
How did you deduce he's not Fe friendly? He's INFJ, Fe is very valuable to him! I think what he's done is list pros and cons of both Fi and Fe, rather than "omg Fe is so much better!!! Fi sucks, because they never make moves" - more along the lines of what you've said above...
+Grand Master Yoda yes. I did say that I have had some run ins with fi users that totally upset me. It is confusing because fi is authentic to the self and I value that very much but some or most fi users I have met do not make any use of the subjective feeling. It doesn't change their attitude and in doing so change their environment! What's the point of being effected by the world's problems if you just use the experience to augment your own personality. Fi throws itself into nooks and crannies, and applies itself to niche, yet suffers all the time for it than is thankful and mystified by that. I just can't get over that and then if you add a value judgement that an fi user will place on me for not being that way is so so boring! Frustrating
+Grand Master Yoda I'm very annoyed that people tend to think they will "unmask" an enfj by taking a part their functions----you can't do it. We authentically morph but the locus of control is way stronger than you'd think. A grounded enfj will effect ppl and that's not manipulation it's just what comes natural to us, it's like our view of human nature.
@@teacupnoirvery well put; we are authentic it's just our capacity & propensity to morph that is observable by others. I'm still waiting for someone to deconstruct my Ti-Ni not my Fi-Si...that would be by far more painful to me.
hallo， another enfj here. thanks for the video. It is amazing. Please check on ur box description, there is a mistyped, in table on content part, it is ought to be "inferior Ti" not "inferior Ne"
Hi! Incredible video. do you happen to have a transcript of your dialogue available anywhere?
send me an email at michaelpiercechannel@gmail.com -- I'll see what I can do
I know an enfj struggling with Ti, she's... not very inviting
Do you mean very direct, confrontational, constant “No, you’re wrong!” attitude? I feel like it’s Ne critic, and they are critical with others‘ wants, as well as being stubborn about people’s thinking.
@@crazydragon7865 Sorry, I cant remember who I was talking about at the time :/
...not Ne critic...in CPT predicated on Jung Ne as the subauthority is actually high in conscious magnitude
As an enfj this is why I can’t smoke pot. Ti arises in a out of control insecure sack.
Sam Brodie I smoke endless pack. U trippin
I can see what you mean. My inferior Se comes to the "rise" as well.
5:07 What did this INTP even do to deserve this ?
HE WAS THERE BLARGH
Hi Michael not a criticism at all but I'm surprised you didn't mention a lot of the overlaps & similarities between the ENFJ & ISTP especially with regards the SeNi axis indeed both types are incredibly perceptive when it comes to the psychology of people. It's one of my favourite past times with a fellow ISTP friends. I think whilst yes INFJs are incredibly aware on an intellectual/logical level their limited Se engagement can struggle to pick up on subtle nuances in real time, a problem which the ENFJ & ISTP don't have. I'm a proponent of CPT & don't believe in the concept of MBTIs inferior function so I'm not saying this is applicable to all INFJs albeit I will agree with Harry & say INFJs are, as an INFJ himself, logically not emotionally predictive of others. INFJs will often have to retreat back to their NiTi to formulate a solution/insight whereas the ISTP & ENFJ can do this in real Se time.
20:36 the best way to overcome that is to realize there is no truth and that is the truth. That you know nothing and that is knowledge. You can use your Ti for anything. Not just something specific. Logic, just like everything else, is constructive in nature. Don't be so hard on yourself ENFJ.
this video is 50% mouth noises
(Alain de Botton)
Think he might be INFJ but not sure not that you suggest it.
Well, well... I've written and rewritten this message a few times but couldn't be satisfied/am not on the mood to build an argument, and came to the conclusion I'll eventually (eventually) try to submit a few of my typings to celebritytypes, meanwhile, I encourage anyone who is interested on the subject to try and figure this out themselves.
I'd just like to leave this here as well: "We shape our buildings; thereafter they shape us" - Winston Churchill.
I agree. His "philosophy" and "teachings" sound nice to the ear, but logically make no sense. He makes no sense. Yet he wants to find bigger and bigger stages for people to hear his blabber. What I find funny is I can tell who has a low Ti by seeing who really likes Alain the Botton.
I don't think his philosophy strictly makes no sense and I actually like him, but I also understand what you mean.
The impression I get is that he is trying to accommodate many different views along his own and doesn't take proper "care" to make them all... coherently intertwined, I guess.
If you are able to look past that, some of his insights are very interesting, important even. Even some I myself wouldn't otherwise agree with... I think if I had heard about him some years earlier I would've not liked him either.
:}
I think he might be an INFP, actually. He formally studied philosophy and many of his videos seem to be a Ne-Si cherry-picking of sorts, and filtered through his own Fi. Inferior Te can sometimes manifest itself as, "this specific Fi experience and value is applicable to EVERYONE, because I understand this because I've felt it." he doesn't necessarily have his own insights, he refers to already established Te philosophy, and presents it through Fi filters. In a Ne-Si way, many of his videos have the same fundamental POINT but he sees each extrapolation of how it can manifest as different.
It's hard being an ENFJ
Tq for describing in me 😊
I'm very confused as to why you would consider this type furthest away from being INFP. Can you explain further?
I don't think that's what Michael is saying but rather trying to represent a contrast between Fe & Fi. Remember in CPT INTP would be the opposite type albeit they're very similar they just start from antithetical cognitive origins hence why the INTP/ENFJ pairing works very well.
Yeh. That's me
in my past life i was an enfj
What do you see as the main differences between INFJ and ENFJ? Any telltale signs to look for when typing someone? Thanks in advance.
INFJ - More focused on developing a Ti system that justifies their Fe concerns. Better theoretical philosophers
ENFJ - More focused on Se actualisation of their Fe concerns. Better Social activists
It's very much going to be contingent upon your subtype as there's a lot of intratype variation. You could check out Cognitive Personality Theories contrast video. Overall, the ENFJ tends to have a much more serious demeanour than the INFJ as they seek to actualise their Ti-Ni in reality. Meanwhile many INFJs are happy conceptualising in their own heads; putting their theories out there is often secondary to formulation
Enfj: The ultimate Hufflepuff.
Gryffinpuff to you :P
Sorry but thats just wrong, we are the ultimate Gryffindor, always trying to fight against injustice with a bit of self-rightinous...
I'd also rather say they are gryffindor or even slytherin.
But I'm a Ravenclaw... and the ultimate ENFJ...
Ryan Doty RAVENCLAW
I am an intp and a close friend of mine whom I'm not sure if I can call my best friend anymore is an enfj. If other enfj's are like my friend (which is probably the case because this video describes my friend perfectly) then when they are in the grip of Ti they can be incredibly dangerous people. Recently my friend has gone into an extended period of being in the grip and they have become incredibly foolish and incapable of being reasoned with. They have become intolerant of other's opinions and feelings for the sake of a moral high ground. One that they have been unsuccessful in proving is relevant or exists. It has resulted in them fueling the harassment of others. Its depressing and mind boggling to watch. This was a person I admired for their ability to be diplomatic, their observation skills, and their objectivity. But ti is hideous in these individuals.
yea but you can mature through experiences and build rational control over this cloud of thought. I'm ashamed to say that I was more so like this but I learned that I don't have to and shouldn't want to be right all the time about everything.
@@hiddenidentity302 I'm glad you were able to grow. This enfj friend I described two years ago now hasn't really gotten better. I've learned hes a chameleon. I always saw him as smart, but when he appeared as cool and smart he was in an environment of mostly ti doms. He acted like us because thats what was what he thought we wanted to see. When he was around fi and fe doms he acted like them. When he was my best friend he reflected my thoughts. Now he reflects the thoughts of his infp girlfriend. Right down to the point of having a completely different code of ethics. In some ways he never even really had his own thoughts or values. He never really was real. And thats kinda sad to me.
@@Moonlitwatersofaqua sounds like a bit of a psychopath. probably an exception. I think we feel strongly about who we are and aren't afraid to voice it. If I met a person who is constantly switching around different people, my brain alarm bells would be going off. We don't like this and can see through it.
@@hiddenidentity302 If my friend had antisocial tendencies I feel he would have done more bad things than just be a mindless follower who bullied his friends because his girlfriend said so. And then proceeded to insist he was right to bully me and morally superior even long after his girlfriend realized what she did was wrong and apologized.
I may not have had good experiences with fe doms to be honest because my former bes friend's behaviour wasn't unique.
The other enfj I knew was the type to complain about drama and gossip all while being the type to start the drama and gossip. He also liked trigger jokes and hated people who were telling the truth but were unpleasent about it, yet liked people who lied constantly but wre nice about it. It was tiresome.
My ex boyfriend was an esfj whom I dated because I have no self respect. He was the stereotype of what people think home schooled kids are like. A bad education where bible thumping replaces actual curriculum. He grew up in an environment where his thoughts and opinions were never valued so he never developed his lower functions. He was horrifically racist. He talked about lynching mexicans and committing genocide on gay people. he denied the holocaust he believed in creationism. Just the worst. if you challenged what he thought he would insult you instead of actually defend himself. But the thing is, most people would have never known he believed such vile things. His fe was able to pick up on the fact voicing those things wouldn't make him friends. Yet Fe also couldn't make the logical step to get rid of those beliefs. Because he never developed any critical thinking skills many people scammed him over and over. Being an obedient follower worked as a kid but failed him in adulthood.
Now I'm feeling bad, I feel like I found the stereotypes of why people don't like fe doms.
This sounds like someone who hasn't fully integrated their Ti. I'm a divergent ENFJ in CPT & my Ti-Ni is the pairing I possess in the highest conscious magnitude...Ti is far from inferior indeed Fe-Ti tend to have the most fluid axis. It doesn't sound like you're describing Fe doms at all but rather falling for ubiquitous behaviourally imbued stereotypes; we're an objective and rationale bunch of people as Fe acts at the behest of a Ti agenda (it's the opposite for an INTP for example). Many, many ESFPs & Fi authority types tend to mistype as the rare ENFJ, plus ESFJs & ENFJs are not similar types.
my god, i love them or would love unless they didn't have that creepy bill cosby (enfj) kind of fakeness to them where they are disrespectful as hell while theyre seen as the moral compass. not that thy're all psychos but this can happen where they build a mask very well.
That could be enneagram type 3 doe
@tinyman sixsix Well, unhealthy enfjs are definitely capable of this.
I'd agree unhealthy ENFJs are capable of this take Hannibal from the same named series, he's an ENFJ commonly mistyped as INTJ. The notion that Fe-Se is fake however is a misnomer; Fe-Se is attuned to micro nuance that most people don't pick up on - the meaning behind the words. Remember Fe acts at the behest of a Ti agenda (it's far from inferior); objective truth is the ENFJs North Star.
Thankyou guys for understanding where i come from. I actually really love a healthy enfj, they can be heroic and get on the same level with my Ni thoughts. I never want to generalize anyone to be a bad type. Its just that I've dealth with narcissistic enfjs in early childhood and teens and i understand that they had a shitty childhood and they're extremely dependent on the Fe external validation all the time and if they're belittled rejected humiliated etc in childhood, they're always going to be acting from that internal deep sense of worthlesness as a controlling emotionally manipulative monsterous person who puts everyone they can in a pressurecooker of guilt tripping and intimidation, and nobody will believe the victims because the enfj is so freaking lovable, right? It's horrible how they get away with things. At least when i was under attack of an estp, everyone knew they were an edgelord so people would believe their shitty side was there, lol.
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Ni, the ultimate humour function.
Also, I can't see your DnD play :(
Terribly sorry about that! Here's the proper link, and its fixed in the description: ua-cam.com/video/2L-WNQHT52I/v-deo.html
Hey Micheal! Talk about you not getting the functions right which you don't primarily use yourself - the point about infp-awareness at 14:13 was absolutely relatable and well explained. Generally you seem to have been able to describe functions like Fi really well this time. I've just been too exhausted and missing time in the past days to watch your video again.
TeeTaan360 Oh sweet! Thank you for the feedback! That's very helpful!
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no you weren't i was! sigh*....>.>