Oh man, the shutting off of Ni in order to do maintenance tasks is so real. I'm INTJ and I get lost as hell inside Ni when writing music. I'll go days without changing clothes or showering or eating properly, but I'll smoke 100,000 cigarettes and pace around my house and 3 days later I have an amazing song. Keep up the great work man.
My mum's an ISTP and she never got why when she asked me to clean up my room etc (firstly, if I didn't procrastinate) why I would spend so much time doing a real thorough job so that it would take triple the time it should. She would be like: why are you making it so hard for yourself? Just do a quick regular clean and be done with it. It wasn't until I got into typology that I realised as an INFJ I treated it like an Ni problem: that if I just took the time to do it right and properly I wouldn't have to do it again. Life unfortunately doesn't work that way.
That story sounds like you use Si. Immediately when I read it I knew you were going to call yourself an Ni user because every ignores Si and just labels themselves an intuitive
I agree Si users are connected to their own body. Se-users are connected to the outside world, i.e. objects, people and the elements. To me as a Se-dom I usually feel one with the world around me. I don’t feel disconnected from my own body but my body and the environment melt together like an ice dancing couple can move graciously together over the ice in the present.
That's an excellent way to describe it. As an istp, when I get really in the zone everything kind of flows together. I experience it a lot when I drive, like I'm ''one with the vehicle" lol. It's why driving is soothing to me.
I've noticed that in ESTJs, Si manifests itself as a constant sense of whether things are in order. If you take an item from an ESTJ's kitchen and don't put it back in its "spot" or you ruffle the pillows in their couch or don't put the chairs back to a table with the same distance between the chairs and the table as usual, they will correct it because their Si tells them it's out of the usual order. The usual order is comfortable for them. In INTPs this side of Si manifests itself as noticing whether things are accurate, whether they are in order in comparison to the INTP's framework of knowledge.
For ages I thought I must be a 'thinker' because of my total lack of attachment to almost anything. I have no inner rating system for the importance of individual external experiences. I can experience a connection in the moment (Se) but once the moment has passed it becomes instantly irrelevant . I am completely unsentimental. As a result, I always thought of myself as a cold-hearted person even though I experience very powerful emotions, empathy and connection with people. Only after finding out that I am INFJ does all of this make sense. The nihilism, the existential angst, the dissociative episodes. It's all down to Ni, nothing to do with thinking vs feeling.
Yeah, Si is like a Hobbit hole. It's me, and there's my lovely stove that heats my nice meals. Here's my wine cellar. I have a little spot for every vintage. I can fondly (or not so fondly) remember how each thing serves my senses. My sense of being is my inventory of all the people, places, and things that are in my world. Meditation in the Si sense is like making sure each thing that's important is taken care of, going though each thing in your inventory "marked for review" and when everything is taken care of, you're left with your mind on an empty inventory slot.
4th slot Si is kind of similar, although less extreme. I hate mundane tasks and am bad at scheduling things. But at the same time, recently I am more and more struck by the realization, that mundane comfort, is a springboard for my Ne, aswell as just a great and nice tranquility. I love sitting in the metro and looking through the glass. Liminal Spaces also fascinate me on that level. It helps with pondering, and with not feeling "useless". So I will try working on my Si.
As an ISTJ, with Si hero, I love electronic music. I translate it into a visual spatial field, where the space has no outer bounds and the details are dense, relatively defined aspects of colour, ever changing that washes into me, fills my whole experience and passes through. In reflection I get to look at it and experience it but it comes from nothing and isn't related to anything, so it feels like a freeing exploration space with a sense of feeling and meaning. Your Si description is pretty accurate. Thank you.
i often feel like i'm in a dream. like, i hear this kids crying and playing outside but it's also nothing. i get irritated when i'm in this dream like reality, so i have to get up and do something that will distract me
I’m an infj and I’ve been experiencing some dissociative episodes and general feeling of being non existent in the real world, like an observer behind a glass wall. It’s been quite challenging and I was wondering what does it have to do with. This video explained it perfectly and I also found people with similar feelings in the comment section, thank you so much for that :)
INFJ here, dominant Ni. I totally relate to the feeling of being disembodied, and I still continually feel that my inner world of intuition and patterns is the realest thing going, and my external environment and body are afterthoughts. BUT, since becoming a mother (4 kids!) I’ve been able to hijack my secondary Fe “compassionate hostess” function to dig in to the physical realm so that I can properly love my family... i.e., keep a clean(ish) house and do self-care/exercise. Until I became a parent, I lived in my head and neglected physicality. But LOVE helped me re-orient so I could get in a Sensation mode and be responsible for my environment and my body... too much Ni can lead to neglect. I do listen to podcasts and UA-cam while I do the dishes though. :-). And I have to set aside time for reading and writing and thinking, or I’ll go insane... so I wake up 5:30am before mom-duty starts.
That sense about forgetting the environment... I do the same as an INTP, but I almost freak out if I get a health issue. I have a strong inner sensing experience, things like whether I'm comfortable and how music makes me feel and such, but even though I have this inner experience, I don't care much about it, and I'm so unaware of my environment that it doesn't really affect me. So I've always attributed being unaware or uncaring of my living environment to my lack of Se, not Si.
I feel the same as an INFP in a way. For me it's like, I'm in outer space and I have to "come back to earth" and I dread it every time because like he said, it just seems so futile.
I've always wished I could just dissolve into the ocean or something and become an objective part of the universe, that's probably excluded Si right there
@crescentmoon I'm in my feelings a lot and pretty aware of my body but my lack of sence of what is even going on around me, what the areas in my house even look like/contain and oh, what day is it again?.. among other things make me spacey despite me having a pretty earthy attitude. Over using Se to daydream doesn't help either.
As an INTP, Si manifests as these primary conditions: - A lack of awareness of my surroundings - Being overly sensitive new sensations and having no threshold. - Being terrible at stable routine, yet always remaining in the sane exact habits and mistakes. Playing the sane video game level, pedantically retweaking the same art piece after it should be done, etc.
I love these videos of yours best, you teach (in this way) exactly how I learn and it's great! ISFJ, here, and growing more and more certain of that as I watch your videos! ♡
The way you put is actually what CSJ lacks in the sense of explaining the actual cause of something. You said Si doms want to clean their room because they might see it as an extension of the 'being' implying that you'll see the sense of duty or routine. Whereas Cs joseph only says 'well they do what they should do' and it's important to see the root as you explain.
I prefer CSJ this guy is just talking nonsense in a way that doesn't make sense or is remotely interesting. I feel like this guy is straight-up misleading people since he seems to have no clue how this stuff really works and sure CSJ can be a bit out there at times but at least makes it interesting and is certain with the points he is making.
Yes!! "Maintenance" is till this very day the worst thing to deal with in life. Still not 'fine' and collected with all of that sh#t, haha. And about forgetting about one's body as an INFJ. On a psychedelic compound, people couldn't possibly imagine how "disconnected" one can be from the physical aspects of the Self, and yet at certain moments of awareness during a trip one can be other worldly aware of things 'that are happening' within and without, and how it's all interconnected in a way that would blow every human beings mind. Many people would freak out of course, but being in it with acceptance and awareness really allows you, surely as an INFJ, to get a DEEP sense of connection to even the physical aspects of the Self. I agree with just about everything, your perception and "energy" behind it, and the words and 'facts' as well. Will enjoy part 2 now. Thank you! Finally I have good quality stuff to share with my Fi-heavy peeps with Si, that doesn't understand my wordings and experiences around not "being in the body", that I can observe 'it' and myself from other perspectives. And YEAH, astral projection is insanely powerful. If people, all of us had even 1-2 experiences like these, this world would never look, or be experienced the same. Such shifts in the human condition and progression of consciousness would take place.
Oh I only just realised you posted this today. Thanks! I think the kind of unwillingness to get involved with the everyday maintenance of the body, home and comforts is something that can broadly be applied to people with an intuitive preference. For example, I am an INFP with Si as the mobilizing function, and combined with inferior Te it takes some effort to apply myself to Si values. However, it does manifest itself in my personality, I think as an unwillingness to break out from my comfort-zone or allow things to get disorderly.
YOU ARE BACK BRO! Was just talking about this recently, for .. well " a number of times " overall the last years though haha. Thank you for your presence.
Possibly the best video on topic! You are amazing, whatever you do, keep it up! Ive been literally obsessing with typology over the past month because uncertainty kills me. However after a couple of you videos i dont have anymore doubts that im in fact intj as opposed to infj or intp. The clarity of your examples and the precision with which you deliver, just hit the nail.
I can see a sense of the Universal types trying to overcome their own bias, restraining themselves from imposing their own peculiarities on the world. But in order to as such 'keep watch' over themselves, to regulate themselves, they must always have an egoic concept in their minds. But contextual types do not think so much of other perspectives, and so cannot contrast those other perspectives with their own in order to get as much of an egoic sense as universals. It's because of this that I said a while back that contextual types are more Buddhist. Buddhism isn't about regulating the self, it really is, as you said in the video, about forgetting it entirely. Universal types keep awareness of themselves, but want to fit it into everything else.
This explains why Myers Briggs always tested me as a P type bc I always answer I dislike cleaning and mundane tasks, and for some reason, they associate j types as being cleanly ??? I resonated completely with what you said here. I went to an edm show with my ex boyfriend, and I was just kind of swaying my hips in the same way repeatedly bc I felt there was a social implication to dance, but really, I just wanted to Ni-Se and enjoy the atmosphere while not having to be overly involved with my body and its movements. My boyfriend said in an annoyed way, “why do you not move your feet and your whole body when you dance?” I didn’t know mbti at the time, so I felt ashamed and asked myself why I can’t connect with my body the way others do. I feel a complete disconnect from it and always have, but I supposed its Fe that causes me to want to hide this so that others relate to me easier.
An Ni lead is being pulled by their preferred idea while an Si lead is being pulled by their preferred experience. Would you say so? Likewise, an Ne lead is being pulled towards assorted ideas, while an Si lead is being pulled towards assorted experience. Appreciate your feedback.
Si can also be neglecful towards their own body and environment, when they are obsessively chasing a particular physical experience. Eg. someone I know loves gambling and hanging out with his buddies, s the only 2 things that makes him feel truly alive. He kvereats even though he knows its not good and does not exercise as it is unpleasant, and does not upkeep his living environment well. He is an ISFJ.
I am trying my very best to get my head round all this personality type thing and it brought me here and i have enjoyed and understood a fair portion of the content..albeit a bit rambling bit I get that too..but there is one thing that made me read through all the comments to see if any one picked up on..and its here. Dont want to be cruel...but thank god somebody noticed! I am a recently self diagnosed infj and it has put me down a rabbit hole .. ginger nuts?..
As a Ne-Dom I also didn't get the whole "human condition" that INFPs do, but I had an insight watching your video. I think what they do is "translating" Ni into Ne. They look at the Ni visions of many people and then create a Ne pattern out of it. They'll say stuff like "we ALL want to achieve our dreams" which is really weird to me because my Ne and Ni are distinct, meaning that my Ne never assumes anything about other people's Ni life designs.
I loathe the morning... getting up, getting “girl” ready, brushing teeth 😑 then I realize I’m out of makeup and must get some before work. Come to find out the makeup store closed after I circle the mall. Then I find another store that sells it and find out the brand revamped and renumbered their entire makeup line so now I have to speak to incompetent sell people. I want to pull my hair out at this point. What should have taken me 15 minutes has now taken two hours. I leave with the wrong color makeup. Im Ni-dom but once I learned in life “do it once you don’t have to do it again” my life remains ordered and clean. My mother changes the furniture in her house every month. I organize my environment once and it remains that way for years because I don’t like to be distracted from my pursuits by the maintenance of every day life. I get angry when I have to clean. Also, I have a tendency to wreck my body in pursuit of a project... a project of cooking 15 dishes for a holiday dinner (excess) or stay up all night to satisfy a creative project. I won’t feel it in the moment - it’s delayed. Also, it takes me about 2 days to process feelings. My body might respond to intense feelings of sadness or anger but I can’t understand why. My mind feels detached from what I’m actually feeling and then putting it into words is even more of a process. Even more extreme, I once went a whole weekend in pain from a looming doom of my appendix bursting. Of course, this didn’t stop me from going on vacation. I was adamant about taking a trip. I rationalized the pain was probably cramps although they were worse than cramps. Being disconnected from my body allows me to push my body through pain. I don’t necessarily experience pain as a measure of where my threshold is although I should. It gets me in trouble on more than one occasions especially with health matters. I once cut my foot on a rock and didn’t tell my parents about it until a week and a half later my foot became infected, my whole foot and leg swelled many times it’s size and the doctor told me had I waited longer I would have gotten blood poisoning from it and had to amputate my leg 😆 My mom let me have it asking why I didn’t tell her sooner... 🤷🏻♀️ never occurred to me my body needed help.
your description of marx strikes me more of an intp Se polr than an inxj who usually are very aware of their Se environment and tend to be very particular of their clothing and environment.
I am a bit dubious as to how you can read any of Heideggers works and draw away anything but Logics and Ni{temporality}, sure there is a focus on Vitalism and ones own body but he is not Marleu-ponty whom connects the body and the spirit. Heidegger was a clear Gorky Ti-Se
Earnestly waiting for 1mo...Finally... Notifications Si vs Ni Now I can die in peace😂 Could you repeat this for Ti vs Fi since as an Infp I have issues grasping Ti completely as a Role function.
I honestly think Ni is actually cleaner than you described. It's known as "architect" for a reason: clean, minimalistic in manner and style. Your example of "messy room, trashy, no care, dirty...." - doesn't sound right. Whenever I need to focus, environment needs to be clean, even "no objects" is better, just empty room is the best. Se inferior is sensitive to external environment. Whenever the sky is about to rain or storm, I can sense a few days ahead! Se-grip: without inner clarity, Ni will look outside, look around, and easily get mad why things don't make sense, don't flow, too much mess, etc... In addition, the "Buddhist type", this means environment cleanliness is crucial, you see why Zen Buddhism keeps cleaning temple daily! I hate clutters, always give away stuffs to clear space. Stuffs block focus and clarity. Si is more tolerant toward messy space, Se too! Cause Si lives inside their body, outside environment doesn't affect too much. Si can accept stuffs as long as they don't disturb the body. Se is always moving, busy, they clean when stuffs block their pathway or movement, they move stuffs around. Sum up: Ni is very sensitive to dirts, messiness, crowds, burdensome materiality, a bit Zen monk, minimalism works best for Ni.
Sup Mike. *Perfect* I'm trying to figure out if I'm an I_N_FJ, or I_S_FJ. *(buckles in)* Edit: Ok.. So, I'm 3/4 in and.. While listening to you reference Marx, Heigl.. Etc etc.. Something (which, I've always been aware of) surfaces: I've always wanted to read the works of all the Philosophers.. I've purchased books.. Accumulated (many..& substantial) overdue library fees (lol).. But, no matter how hard I try/do.. It all hits me as unbearably boring (& frustrating-because, I *want* to sit down, dive in, and understand & enjoy their works). I can, however, listen to, say, Dr. Jordan Peterson (to use a common example of someone whom, in the future, will likely be "categorized" with said "greats") for HOURS (& fully understand/grasp everything he says). So, I now realize, that, for me, it's critical to be okay with not being the Philosophical "booky" type. It's listening to the person speak.. I need to see facial expressions/body language.. Hear tones.. Perhaps that's why I've always been more into Autobiographical narratives & realistic fiction (such as Siddhartha, by: Herman Hesse.. The Bhagavad Gita... The Celestine Prophesy, by: James Redfield.. To name a few). Though, these days, I find myself feeling guilty if I sit down & read those types of books. It feels selfish (regardless of the fact that those types of books were means to profound insight(s), which, absolutely & beneficially changed my life). Anyhow... In terms of Si/Se vs. Ni/Ne... What do you think that all means?
Hi Dolf Dervish! I ran into much the same issue when attempting to read the _Great Philosophers._ It’s like, I don’t need _much,_ but I do want to feel _some_ sense of Si _skin-in-the-game_ delivered with the insights. (Unless I do this with my own Ni, too, it feels somehow incomplete or imbalanced.) Anyway, that just didn’t happen early enough for me to stay engaged. If you enjoy Jordan Peterson, have you checked out John Vervaeke’s _Awakening From The Meaning Crisis_ series? ua-cam.com/play/PLND1JCRq8Vuh3f0P5qjrSdb5eC1ZfZwWJ.html John comes across a bit preacher-y and pushy (to me) at times, but he has distilled and clarified so many of my amorphous ponderings that I willingly tolerate his manner of delivery. :)
I, too, failed to be engaged by your recent videos. This one is an exception and I found it quite enjoyable for the most part. I look forward to watching subsequent videos and wish you good luck with your book. Regarding mindfulness. Despite the Christ-like portrait strategically located in your video, I urge you to carefully consider the guided mindfulness app "Waking Up" by the secular neuroscientist and moral philosopher, Sam Harris, PhD. He also includes lessons with the app which, IMO, well establishes some of the philosophical contexts, among other things, for his mindfulness approach. He also has recently published a book by the same name. I haven't gotten it yet only because I've decided not to do further business with Amazon.
You can probably find the book or audible version at your local library. I listened to the audio version and found some valuable information, although I must say I did not always agree with his version of truth.
@@stateofawakening1457 Great solution, and I was able to get a 21 day kindle version without having to leave my residence. Thanks. I promise I'm quite familiar with the concept of library. Intellectually, I must have been asleep at the wheel. Perhaps the book will start me "waking up:-)" Regarding Harris. I've been following him for going on two decades and I hold him the highest esteem, and I have high standards. Despite his great intellect, he has some blind spots that make him miss, what can be to many of us, the obvious. I don't think his version of the truth falls in that category. Quite the opposite.
@@j.robbwilson8216 Glad you found the recommendation helpful! And perhaps I used "version of truth" too loosely? I was very intrigued by his observation/intuition towards the split brain phenomena and found inspiration for thought on many other points that he addresses. I do think he is too dismissive of the part religion, or belief there of, plays in the personal psychology (perhaps missing a potential opening to build upon?). As I consider myself nonreligious by nature I appreciate his approach of distilling common thought down to basic truths but feel he doesn't give due credit to the value true belief in religion plays in the lives of those who's perceptions are, in part, built upon this. Maybe "holds on to his version of truth too tightly" is closer to what I was aiming for? Anyway happy listening!
@@stateofawakening1457 Given your clarification of "versions of truth", I think this is correct and a function of his being an INTJ. AJ Drenth has clarified for me Harris' type in an essay. It is my concern that INTJ Harris has experienced considerable pain as a result of his participation in the public sphere (and maybe privately, I don't know.) Still, I think he is an exemplar of high character.
Does preference for big picture and absolute dislike for details mean i am Ni dominant? Except i go full opposite in my work, where i Microdetail everything
With respect: I don’t think your example of the teacher’s humanizing of Achilles a good example of Si - Si, by virtue of being an irrational function, is amoral, whereas you seem to characterize Si based on the moral standards of the teacher. I think a better way to understand Si is that it sees “timeless” frames (of experience) that it then wants to live WITHIN. Your teacher prioritized the Si framework of “the herd,” but I think that Si can also prioritize frames of experience that are more superhuman (such as what Plutarch does with his biographies). I think you need to revisit your understanding of Si in order to account for its amorality (and how it may differ based on what your evaluative functions values and considers logical, especially given different cultures and time periods ).
Where did you get this idea of perceiving functions being amoral? I can understand them being much less moralistic than judging functions for sure, but I remember things from Psychological Types suggesting that perceiving functions do have that element. He mentions an aesthetic quality, which I think is closely related to moral senses. Though I'd possibly have to defend that.
@@Valosken I got the idea from Jung: "Whatever [Perception functions] do or do not do is based not on rational judgment but on the sheer intensity of perception. Their perception is directed simply and solely to events as they happen, no selection being made by judgement. In this respect they have a decided advantage over the two judging types." (Jung, Psychological Types Chapter 10)
the Marx example how is this Si in 8 different from Si in 4 in an Ne dom? I think its not when it comes to the bodily needs and routine, I know all this too as Ne dom. I think I do experience Si a bit when being in nature and have all the layers of memories underlying an impression. But what do you think about Si inferior/in 4 compared to Si role/ in 8
when I use Si 4 with memorizing an event, Ni 5 comes to back it up and makes a whole meaningful thing of the details I recall. So In that positioning you dont see that they can only be on one if them. I think the notion that one must be off when the ither is on applys much more to the 2 and 7 and thats why we have that 7 blind spot. 2 is actively on if we want to do something and then its opposite is if. Maybe 1/8 is close. 4/5 is very different.
Mindfulness is about detachment from your own thought processes. You step back and watch ur mind play out like a reel without participating. You detach from your subjective attachment to yourself to observe the objective mechanisms of that self. (classic infp move though to throw in the self there again when the point is to lose it....before coming back). It's funny bc i'm an infp and have an infj friend who's really into mindfulness - my response was also...wth is that - why are u wasting ur time.
Sheesh. Watching you is like watching my brother-in-law. Same personality, and yet I can't imagine him talking about personality type or anything "weird" like that. I wonder what that means, functionally.
Michael! How have you been? Dude I have come to this exact conclusion. I swear I didn’t watch your video beforehand. I know exactly what you’re saying. It seems you are focusing on what we talked about once. You compared trying to sit in the consciousness of a person with a certain function to a play of men pretending to be women. They can try all they can get very close, they can never fully get it just right. And you were right then as you are now. But I have to say, it is possible to emulate a function NOT in your stack up to about 90%. But it can only be done in conscious spurts by applying the actual theory/framework, observing the real world, making a prediction, observe the reaction an individual exhibits, were you right? If you are you can assume it is correct but keep observing to narrow the accuracy. If you were wrong keep looking for patterns and make another prediction and repeat the process. You have to do this over the course of a lot of time but it’s possible.
Actually you have plenty of Si and it comes quite naturally to you because of how similar it is to Ni. Stop being lazy and go take care of yourself physically!! If you were living with an ESTP she would be criticizing you for not taking care of your physical needs.
Your description of Marx and his lazy/productive lifestyle sounds a lot like bipolar mania/depressive episodes. I'm not a medical professional so I can't confirm.
Id say its pretty clear he is aware and bothered by it himself allready, just in the introduction Though i dont really notice rambling much, maybe related to being an enfp, i do it myself much too often.
Oh man, the shutting off of Ni in order to do maintenance tasks is so real. I'm INTJ and I get lost as hell inside Ni when writing music. I'll go days without changing clothes or showering or eating properly, but I'll smoke 100,000 cigarettes and pace around my house and 3 days later I have an amazing song. Keep up the great work man.
My mum's an ISTP and she never got why when she asked me to clean up my room etc (firstly, if I didn't procrastinate) why I would spend so much time doing a real thorough job so that it would take triple the time it should. She would be like: why are you making it so hard for yourself? Just do a quick regular clean and be done with it. It wasn't until I got into typology that I realised as an INFJ I treated it like an Ni problem: that if I just took the time to do it right and properly I wouldn't have to do it again. Life unfortunately doesn't work that way.
"that if I just took the time to do it right and properly I wouldn't have to do it again. Life unfortunately doesn't work that way."
THIS!!!
Dust, the eternal enemy!
That story sounds like you use Si. Immediately when I read it I knew you were going to call yourself an Ni user because every ignores Si and just labels themselves an intuitive
I don't know if you watched the video but what you're describing is literally the opposite of Ni.
I agree Si users are connected to their own body.
Se-users are connected to the outside world, i.e. objects, people and the elements.
To me as a Se-dom I usually feel one with the world around me. I don’t feel disconnected from my own body but my body and the environment melt together like an ice dancing couple can move graciously together over the ice in the present.
This was so insightful for me (and beautiful to hear) - thank you! ~INFP with very slowly developing Se...
That's an excellent way to describe it. As an istp, when I get really in the zone everything kind of flows together. I experience it a lot when I drive, like I'm ''one with the vehicle" lol. It's why driving is soothing to me.
Ni Se fear of the unseen
Si Ne fear of the unavoidable
I've noticed that in ESTJs, Si manifests itself as a constant sense of whether things are in order. If you take an item from an ESTJ's kitchen and don't put it back in its "spot" or you ruffle the pillows in their couch or don't put the chairs back to a table with the same distance between the chairs and the table as usual, they will correct it because their Si tells them it's out of the usual order. The usual order is comfortable for them. In INTPs this side of Si manifests itself as noticing whether things are accurate, whether they are in order in comparison to the INTP's framework of knowledge.
True!!
How to differentiate it from mere Ti and Te, though?
For ages I thought I must be a 'thinker' because of my total lack of attachment to almost anything. I have no inner rating system for the importance of individual external experiences. I can experience a connection in the moment (Se) but once the moment has passed it becomes instantly irrelevant . I am completely unsentimental. As a result, I always thought of myself as a cold-hearted person even though I experience very powerful emotions, empathy and connection with people. Only after finding out that I am INFJ does all of this make sense. The nihilism, the existential angst, the dissociative episodes. It's all down to Ni, nothing to do with thinking vs feeling.
Yeah, Si is like a Hobbit hole. It's me, and there's my lovely stove that heats my nice meals. Here's my wine cellar. I have a little spot for every vintage. I can fondly (or not so fondly) remember how each thing serves my senses. My sense of being is my inventory of all the people, places, and things that are in my world.
Meditation in the Si sense is like making sure each thing that's important is taken care of, going though each thing in your inventory "marked for review" and when everything is taken care of, you're left with your mind on an empty inventory slot.
4th slot Si is kind of similar, although less extreme. I hate mundane tasks and am bad at scheduling things. But at the same time, recently I am more and more struck by the realization, that mundane comfort, is a springboard for my Ne, aswell as just a great and nice tranquility. I love sitting in the metro and looking through the glass. Liminal Spaces also fascinate me on that level. It helps with pondering, and with not feeling "useless". So I will try working on my Si.
Nobody does a better job of explaining the cognitive functions. As difficult as it is, yet I often think "That's it" when listening.
As an ISTJ, with Si hero, I love electronic music. I translate it into a visual spatial field, where the space has no outer bounds and the details are dense, relatively defined aspects of colour, ever changing that washes into me, fills my whole experience and passes through. In reflection I get to look at it and experience it but it comes from nothing and isn't related to anything, so it feels like a freeing exploration space with a sense of feeling and meaning. Your Si description is pretty accurate. Thank you.
i often feel like i'm in a dream. like, i hear this kids crying and playing outside but it's also nothing. i get irritated when i'm in this dream like reality, so i have to get up and do something that will distract me
I’m an infj and I’ve been experiencing some dissociative episodes and general feeling of being non existent in the real world, like an observer behind a glass wall. It’s been quite challenging and I was wondering what does it have to do with. This video explained it perfectly and I also found people with similar feelings in the comment section, thank you so much for that :)
I've had an experience i would describe more like my mind is the puppeteer of my physical form.
INFJ here, dominant Ni. I totally relate to the feeling of being disembodied, and I still continually feel that my inner world of intuition and patterns is the realest thing going, and my external environment and body are afterthoughts. BUT, since becoming a mother (4 kids!) I’ve been able to hijack my secondary Fe “compassionate hostess” function to dig in to the physical realm so that I can properly love my family... i.e., keep a clean(ish) house and do self-care/exercise. Until I became a parent, I lived in my head and neglected physicality. But LOVE helped me re-orient so I could get in a Sensation mode and be responsible for my environment and my body... too much Ni can lead to neglect. I do listen to podcasts and UA-cam while I do the dishes though. :-). And I have to set aside time for reading and writing and thinking, or I’ll go insane... so I wake up 5:30am before mom-duty starts.
That sense about forgetting the environment... I do the same as an INTP, but I almost freak out if I get a health issue. I have a strong inner sensing experience, things like whether I'm comfortable and how music makes me feel and such, but even though I have this inner experience, I don't care much about it, and I'm so unaware of my environment that it doesn't really affect me. So I've always attributed being unaware or uncaring of my living environment to my lack of Se, not Si.
I feel the same as an INFP in a way. For me it's like, I'm in outer space and I have to "come back to earth" and I dread it every time because like he said, it just seems so futile.
You could be ISTj and remember it's socionics not MBTI. STjs (Ti-Se) are good at Si but don't value them, they value Ni.
I've always wished I could just dissolve into the ocean or something and become an objective part of the universe, that's probably excluded Si right there
I feel like infps need to practice mindfulness to pretty much stay on earth. Or I just start
Floating around.
Yes, at least you have a body though with your Si-child/3rd slot!! haha!! :)
@crescentmoon I'm in my feelings a lot and pretty aware of my body but my lack of sence of what is even going on around me, what the areas in my house even look like/contain and oh, what day is it again?.. among other things make me spacey despite me having a pretty earthy attitude. Over using Se to daydream doesn't help either.
As an INTP, Si manifests as these primary conditions:
- A lack of awareness of my surroundings
- Being overly sensitive new sensations and having no threshold.
- Being terrible at stable routine, yet always remaining in the sane exact habits and mistakes. Playing the sane video game level, pedantically retweaking the same art piece after it should be done, etc.
@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 omg i feel that!
I love these videos of yours best, you teach (in this way) exactly how I learn and it's great! ISFJ, here, and growing more and more certain of that as I watch your videos! ♡
The way you put is actually what CSJ lacks in the sense of explaining the actual cause of something. You said Si doms want to clean their room because they might see it as an extension of the 'being' implying that you'll see the sense of duty or routine. Whereas Cs joseph only says 'well they do what they should do' and it's important to see the root as you explain.
I prefer CSJ this guy is just talking nonsense in a way that doesn't make sense or is remotely interesting. I feel like this guy is straight-up misleading people since he seems to have no clue how this stuff really works and sure CSJ can be a bit out there at times but at least makes it interesting and is certain with the points he is making.
Yes!! "Maintenance" is till this very day the worst thing to deal with in life. Still not 'fine' and collected with all of that sh#t, haha.
And about forgetting about one's body as an INFJ. On a psychedelic compound, people couldn't possibly imagine how "disconnected" one can be from the physical aspects of the Self, and yet at certain moments of awareness during a trip one can be other worldly aware of things 'that are happening' within and without, and how it's all interconnected in a way that would blow every human beings mind. Many people would freak out of course, but being in it with acceptance and awareness really allows you, surely as an INFJ, to get a DEEP sense of connection to even the physical aspects of the Self.
I agree with just about everything, your perception and "energy" behind it, and the words and 'facts' as well.
Will enjoy part 2 now. Thank you! Finally I have good quality stuff to share with my Fi-heavy peeps with Si, that doesn't understand my wordings and experiences around not "being in the body", that I can observe 'it' and myself from other perspectives.
And YEAH, astral projection is insanely powerful. If people, all of us had even 1-2 experiences like these, this world would never look, or be experienced the same. Such shifts in the human condition and progression of consciousness would take place.
Oh I only just realised you posted this today. Thanks!
I think the kind of unwillingness to get involved with the everyday maintenance of the body, home and comforts is something that can broadly be applied to people with an intuitive preference. For example, I am an INFP with Si as the mobilizing function, and combined with inferior Te it takes some effort to apply myself to Si values.
However, it does manifest itself in my personality, I think as an unwillingness to break out from my comfort-zone or allow things to get disorderly.
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Was just talking about this recently, for .. well " a number of times " overall the last years though haha.
Thank you for your presence.
Sounds like Marx was Si PoLR, more than Si role. ENTJ, it sounds like.
Possibly the best video on topic! You are amazing, whatever you do, keep it up! Ive been literally obsessing with typology over the past month because uncertainty kills me. However after a couple of you videos i dont have anymore doubts that im in fact intj as opposed to infj or intp. The clarity of your examples and the precision with which you deliver, just hit the nail.
I can see a sense of the Universal types trying to overcome their own bias, restraining themselves from imposing their own peculiarities on the world. But in order to as such 'keep watch' over themselves, to regulate themselves, they must always have an egoic concept in their minds. But contextual types do not think so much of other perspectives, and so cannot contrast those other perspectives with their own in order to get as much of an egoic sense as universals.
It's because of this that I said a while back that contextual types are more Buddhist. Buddhism isn't about regulating the self, it really is, as you said in the video, about forgetting it entirely. Universal types keep awareness of themselves, but want to fit it into everything else.
This explains why Myers Briggs always tested me as a P type bc I always answer I dislike cleaning and mundane tasks, and for some reason, they associate j types as being cleanly ??? I resonated completely with what you said here. I went to an edm show with my ex boyfriend, and I was just kind of swaying my hips in the same way repeatedly bc I felt there was a social implication to dance, but really, I just wanted to Ni-Se and enjoy the atmosphere while not having to be overly involved with my body and its movements. My boyfriend said in an annoyed way, “why do you not move your feet and your whole body when you dance?” I didn’t know mbti at the time, so I felt ashamed and asked myself why I can’t connect with my body the way others do. I feel a complete disconnect from it and always have, but I supposed its Fe that causes me to want to hide this so that others relate to me easier.
An Ni lead is being pulled by their preferred idea while an Si lead is being pulled by their preferred experience. Would you say so? Likewise, an Ne lead is being pulled towards assorted ideas, while an Si lead is being pulled towards assorted experience. Appreciate your feedback.
Si can also be neglecful towards their own body and environment, when they are obsessively chasing a particular physical experience. Eg. someone I know loves gambling and hanging out with his buddies, s the only 2 things that makes him feel truly alive. He kvereats even though he knows its not good and does not exercise as it is unpleasant, and does not upkeep his living environment well. He is an ISFJ.
“I can’t do that, because it’s soooo... boring!’” 😆. I have thought and said this SO many times!!
Cool analysis.
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I am trying my very best to get my head round all this personality type thing and it brought me here and i have enjoyed and understood a fair portion of the content..albeit a bit rambling bit I get that too..but there is one thing that made me read through all the comments to see if any one picked up on..and its here. Dont want to be cruel...but thank god somebody noticed! I am a recently self diagnosed infj and it has put me down a rabbit hole .. ginger nuts?..
As a Ne-Dom I also didn't get the whole "human condition" that INFPs do, but I had an insight watching your video. I think what they do is "translating" Ni into Ne. They look at the Ni visions of many people and then create a Ne pattern out of it. They'll say stuff like "we ALL want to achieve our dreams" which is really weird to me because my Ne and Ni are distinct, meaning that my Ne never assumes anything about other people's Ni life designs.
This has to be the weirdest thing I've read about the functions...
I speak exactly like you Michael. That’s nuts. Maybe dominant Ni? I think I have Te-Fi though.
I loathe the morning... getting up, getting “girl” ready, brushing teeth 😑 then I realize I’m out of makeup and must get some before work. Come to find out the makeup store closed after I circle the mall. Then I find another store that sells it and find out the brand revamped and renumbered their entire makeup line so now I have to speak to incompetent sell people. I want to pull my hair out at this point. What should have taken me 15 minutes has now taken two hours. I leave with the wrong color makeup.
Im Ni-dom but once I learned in life “do it once you don’t have to do it again” my life remains ordered and clean. My mother changes the furniture in her house every month. I organize my environment once and it remains that way for years because I don’t like to be distracted from my pursuits by the maintenance of every day life. I get angry when I have to clean.
Also, I have a tendency to wreck my body in pursuit of a project... a project of cooking 15 dishes for a holiday dinner (excess) or stay up all night to satisfy a creative project. I won’t feel it in the moment - it’s delayed. Also, it takes me about 2 days to process feelings. My body might respond to intense feelings of sadness or anger but I can’t understand why. My mind feels detached from what I’m actually feeling and then putting it into words is even more of a process. Even more extreme, I once went a whole weekend in pain from a looming doom of my appendix bursting. Of course, this didn’t stop me from going on vacation. I was adamant about taking a trip. I rationalized the pain was probably cramps although they were worse than cramps. Being disconnected from my body allows me to push my body through pain. I don’t necessarily experience pain as a measure of where my threshold is although I should. It gets me in trouble on more than one occasions especially with health matters. I once cut my foot on a rock and didn’t tell my parents about it until a week and a half later my foot became infected, my whole foot and leg swelled many times it’s size and the doctor told me had I waited longer I would have gotten blood poisoning from it and had to amputate my leg 😆 My mom let me have it asking why I didn’t tell her sooner... 🤷🏻♀️ never occurred to me my body needed help.
So what you seem to be saying is that Si has sense sensations that effect their body or how they feel inside their body.
your description of marx strikes me more of an intp Se polr than an inxj who usually are very aware of their Se environment and tend to be very particular of their clothing and environment.
Yes IXNJs are extremely aware of their environment, they are probably the most aware, the thing is that they have trouble interacting with it
At 12:30ish yes I hate everyday maintenance.
4:54 Si description
You have helped me realize I am an Si user. Thank you.
I feel so validated
I am a bit dubious as to how you can read any of Heideggers works and draw away anything but Logics and Ni{temporality}, sure there is a focus on Vitalism and ones own body but he is not Marleu-ponty whom connects the body and the spirit. Heidegger was a clear Gorky Ti-Se
Earnestly waiting for 1mo...Finally... Notifications Si vs Ni
Now I can die in peace😂
Could you repeat this for Ti vs Fi since as an Infp I have issues grasping Ti completely as a Role function.
Same for me as Intp vice versa
here is a good channel with that info in a much more concise way (man this guy prattles on and on) ua-cam.com/channels/9pn85pLj-mRfr6x6aOtOjw.html
I have that same picture on my wall! I enjoy your videos!
So ISTJ (high Si) is big into homeostasis; this validates what you are saying about Si.
I honestly think Ni is actually cleaner than you described. It's known as "architect" for a reason: clean, minimalistic in manner and style. Your example of "messy room, trashy, no care, dirty...." - doesn't sound right. Whenever I need to focus, environment needs to be clean, even "no objects" is better, just empty room is the best. Se inferior is sensitive to external environment. Whenever the sky is about to rain or storm, I can sense a few days ahead! Se-grip: without inner clarity, Ni will look outside, look around, and easily get mad why things don't make sense, don't flow, too much mess, etc... In addition, the "Buddhist type", this means environment cleanliness is crucial, you see why Zen Buddhism keeps cleaning temple daily! I hate clutters, always give away stuffs to clear space. Stuffs block focus and clarity. Si is more tolerant toward messy space, Se too! Cause Si lives inside their body, outside environment doesn't affect too much. Si can accept stuffs as long as they don't disturb the body. Se is always moving, busy, they clean when stuffs block their pathway or movement, they move stuffs around. Sum up: Ni is very sensitive to dirts, messiness, crowds, burdensome materiality, a bit Zen monk, minimalism works best for Ni.
Sup Mike.
*Perfect*
I'm trying to figure out if I'm an I_N_FJ, or I_S_FJ.
*(buckles in)*
Edit: Ok.. So, I'm 3/4 in and.. While listening to you reference Marx, Heigl.. Etc etc.. Something (which, I've always been aware of) surfaces:
I've always wanted to read the works of all the Philosophers..
I've purchased books.. Accumulated (many..& substantial) overdue library fees (lol)..
But, no matter how hard I try/do.. It all hits me as unbearably boring (& frustrating-because, I *want* to sit down, dive in, and understand & enjoy their works).
I can, however, listen to, say, Dr. Jordan Peterson (to use a common example of someone whom, in the future, will likely be "categorized" with said "greats") for HOURS (& fully understand/grasp everything he says).
So, I now realize, that, for me, it's critical to be okay with not being the Philosophical "booky" type.
It's listening to the person speak.. I need to see facial expressions/body language.. Hear tones..
Perhaps that's why I've always been more into Autobiographical narratives & realistic fiction (such as Siddhartha, by: Herman Hesse.. The Bhagavad Gita... The Celestine Prophesy, by: James Redfield.. To name a few).
Though, these days, I find myself feeling guilty if I sit down & read those types of books. It feels selfish (regardless of the fact that those types of books were means to profound insight(s), which, absolutely & beneficially changed my life).
Anyhow...
In terms of Si/Se vs. Ni/Ne...
What do you think that all means?
Hi Dolf Dervish! I ran into much the same issue when attempting to read the _Great Philosophers._ It’s like, I don’t need _much,_ but I do want to feel _some_ sense of Si _skin-in-the-game_ delivered with the insights. (Unless I do this with my own Ni, too, it feels somehow incomplete or imbalanced.) Anyway, that just didn’t happen early enough for me to stay engaged.
If you enjoy Jordan Peterson, have you checked out John Vervaeke’s _Awakening From The Meaning Crisis_ series? ua-cam.com/play/PLND1JCRq8Vuh3f0P5qjrSdb5eC1ZfZwWJ.html
John comes across a bit preacher-y and pushy (to me) at times, but he has distilled and clarified so many of my amorphous ponderings that I willingly tolerate his manner of delivery. :)
Peace Amy :)
Thanks for dropping in & sharing your perspective.
I'll check out the link.
Peace & Bless!
I, too, failed to be engaged by your recent videos. This one is an exception and I found it quite enjoyable for the most part. I look forward to watching subsequent videos and wish you good luck with your book.
Regarding mindfulness. Despite the Christ-like portrait strategically located in your video, I urge you to carefully consider the guided mindfulness app "Waking Up" by the secular neuroscientist and moral philosopher, Sam Harris, PhD. He also includes lessons with the app which, IMO, well establishes some of the philosophical contexts, among other things, for his mindfulness approach. He also has recently published a book by the same name. I haven't gotten it yet only because I've decided not to do further business with Amazon.
You can probably find the book or audible version at your local library. I listened to the audio version and found some valuable information, although I must say I did not always agree with his version of truth.
@@stateofawakening1457 Great solution, and I was able to get a 21 day kindle version without having to leave my residence. Thanks. I promise I'm quite familiar with the concept of library. Intellectually, I must have been asleep at the wheel. Perhaps the book will start me "waking up:-)"
Regarding Harris. I've been following him for going on two decades and I hold him the highest esteem, and I have high standards. Despite his great intellect, he has some blind spots that make him miss, what can be to many of us, the obvious. I don't think his version of the truth falls in that category. Quite the opposite.
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Glad you found the recommendation helpful! And perhaps I used "version of truth" too loosely? I was very intrigued by his observation/intuition towards the split brain phenomena and found inspiration for thought on many other points that he addresses. I do think he is too dismissive of the part religion, or belief there of, plays in the personal psychology (perhaps missing a potential opening to build upon?). As I consider myself nonreligious by nature I appreciate his approach of distilling common thought down to basic truths but feel he doesn't give due credit to the value true belief in religion plays in the lives of those who's perceptions are, in part, built upon this. Maybe "holds on to his version of truth too tightly" is closer to what I was aiming for? Anyway happy listening!
@@stateofawakening1457 Given your clarification of "versions of truth", I think this is correct and a function of his being an INTJ. AJ Drenth has clarified for me Harris' type in an essay. It is my concern that INTJ Harris has experienced considerable pain as a result of his participation in the public sphere (and maybe privately, I don't know.) Still, I think he is an exemplar of high character.
I forgot which video was talking about Achilles and Agamemnon.
The Marx example is very five-ish, maybe a bit too five-ish, but the idea is clear.
Does preference for big picture and absolute dislike for details mean i am Ni dominant?
Except i go full opposite in my work, where i Microdetail everything
Beard points.
With respect: I don’t think your example of the teacher’s humanizing of Achilles a good example of Si - Si, by virtue of being an irrational function, is amoral, whereas you seem to characterize Si based on the moral standards of the teacher.
I think a better way to understand Si is that it sees “timeless” frames (of experience) that it then wants to live WITHIN. Your teacher prioritized the Si framework of “the herd,” but I think that Si can also prioritize frames of experience that are more superhuman (such as what Plutarch does with his biographies). I think you need to revisit your understanding of Si in order to account for its amorality (and how it may differ based on what your evaluative functions values and considers logical, especially given different cultures and time periods ).
Where did you get this idea of perceiving functions being amoral? I can understand them being much less moralistic than judging functions for sure, but I remember things from Psychological Types suggesting that perceiving functions do have that element. He mentions an aesthetic quality, which I think is closely related to moral senses. Though I'd possibly have to defend that.
@@Valosken I got the idea from Jung:
"Whatever [Perception functions] do or do not do is based not on rational judgment but on the sheer intensity of perception. Their perception is directed simply and solely to events as they happen, no selection being made by judgement. In this respect they have a decided advantage over the two judging types." (Jung, Psychological Types Chapter 10)
the Marx example
how is this Si in 8 different from Si in 4 in an Ne dom?
I think its not when it comes to the bodily needs and routine, I know all this too as Ne dom. I think I do experience Si a bit when being in nature and have all the layers of memories underlying an impression.
But what do you think about Si inferior/in 4 compared to Si role/ in 8
when I use Si 4 with memorizing an event, Ni 5 comes to back it up and makes a whole meaningful thing of the details I recall. So In that positioning you dont see that they can only be on one if them.
I think the notion that one must be off when the ither is on applys much more to the 2 and 7 and thats why we have that 7 blind spot. 2 is actively on if we want to do something and then its opposite is if. Maybe 1/8 is close. 4/5 is very different.
30:40 Mindfullness is overrated. Lectio Divina is far better
Love your insights as usual. I probably have more to say after seeing the whole thing so I won't interject for now ;)
Mindfulness is about detachment from your own thought processes. You step back and watch ur mind play out like a reel without participating. You detach from your subjective attachment to yourself to observe the objective mechanisms of that self. (classic infp move though to throw in the self there again when the point is to lose it....before coming back). It's funny bc i'm an infp and have an infj friend who's really into mindfulness - my response was also...wth is that - why are u wasting ur time.
Sheesh. Watching you is like watching my brother-in-law. Same personality, and yet I can't imagine him talking about personality type or anything "weird" like that. I wonder what that means, functionally.
What's your type/functional stacks?
INFJ!
Who's filming you? Cos the camera's moving
Incomensurability!...POW 🤣
Michael! How have you been? Dude I have come to this exact conclusion. I swear I didn’t watch your video beforehand. I know exactly what you’re saying. It seems you are focusing on what we talked about once. You compared trying to sit in the consciousness of a person with a certain function to a play of men pretending to be women. They can try all they can get very close, they can never fully get it just right. And you were right then as you are now. But I have to say, it is possible to emulate a function NOT in your stack up to about 90%. But it can only be done in conscious spurts by applying the actual theory/framework, observing the real world, making a prediction, observe the reaction an individual exhibits, were you right? If you are you can assume it is correct but keep observing to narrow the accuracy. If you were wrong keep looking for patterns and make another prediction and repeat the process. You have to do this over the course of a lot of time but it’s possible.
Actually you have plenty of Si and it comes quite naturally to you because of how similar it is to Ni. Stop being lazy and go take care of yourself physically!! If you were living with an ESTP she would be criticizing you for not taking care of your physical needs.
Not really. ESTPs are ignoring Si too (5th function). But an ESTP would tell him "Do it now !" (Se).
And he would.
Ni looks through a magnifying glass into a 3D world. Si looks into a review mirror of possibilities.
Perfect description.
I would only refine as such:
*"rearview mirror of experiences & meanings"*
But, yeah.
I know what you mean(t).
Your description of Marx and his lazy/productive lifestyle sounds a lot like bipolar mania/depressive episodes. I'm not a medical professional so I can't confirm.
Rambling is not a cute or quirky INFJ trait. You should work on it. Fluff at every 5th word is bad.
Id say its pretty clear he is aware and bothered by it himself allready, just in the introduction
Though i dont really notice rambling much, maybe related to being an enfp, i do it myself much too often.