Thanks Tom and Wassym. Hearing Wassym talk about the hidden costs of relying on 3rd parties for software was spot on. I love the release cadence Rivian is on. I also get a bit tired all the requests for Apple Carplay. We own a R1S, Tesla Model Y and I previously had the Polestar 2. The biggest thing I miss/want with Rivian software is the following: 1. Ability to use other mapping software. As someone living in a large city with kids' events scattered all over, I use navigation all the time not just for directions, but for best routes based on traffic. Rivian Nav has let me down many times. Loved Polestar in this regard to showing turn by turn in car binnacle and overview on center display. With option for Google or Apple maps. 2. More coverage area for Driver Plus. 3. Better responsiveness for PaaK (phone as a key) 4. I echo Tom's request for charging curve and more fool proof option for phantom drain. I have helped several friends to go EV (Rivian and others) and its always a bit hard to explain all of that to people who don't follow all of this closely.
Hey @john-sea I am not sure you are aware but Rivian did purchase ABRP (A Better Route Planner) so hopefully that will be very helpful - not sure of implementation timeline though
@@Dr_Flankensteinn - Yep, but Rivian has yet to fully leverage the ABRP code yet. Simple waypoints are still not yet possible which is really annoying, to the point I have to run other nav systems on my phone and tablet on road trips. Just another area, besides the phantom drain issue, I'd like to see Rivian spend some serious time on.
Fascinating info! Every time I get an OTA it’s like I’ve just received a new vehicle! My R1T’s software updates makes it so much more enjoyable to drive. Great interview! Keep up your great work.
Another great interview, Tom! The feedback and genuine enthusiasm from Wassym gives me great confidence in Rivian's future. There's a level of transparency, availability, and realistic optimism coming out of Rivian that you don't really see from some of the other newer EV OEMs.
One thing I'd like to commend Rivian for software-wise outside of the improvements to physical components (which is amazing in its own right) is their ability to provide lots of information in a clean and easy to read UI. It sounds simple, but it's a difficult balance. The biggest software companies in the world (Google, Amazon, etc) are very good at this, while Tesla is the master at it in the automotive industry.
This is cool as heck. Thank you for doing this interview and sharing this Tom. I've been a software professional my entire career and seeing software development become a core in-house competency of automotive has been very exciting. Wassym said it right, a third-party software supplier just doesn't have the same sense of urgency or aligned incentives to get things done when needed.
I feel like resource head room could be addressed by making the head unit swappable (ideally with the obsolete head unit being recycled). I realize the processing requirements for some of this are quite high so it's not like the head unit itself can do it all, but it could keep responsiveness smooth as the infotainment UI is advanced beyond the CPU or memory of the original head unit.
I watched this interview and initiated my OTA update for 38.0 at the same time. Really excited to see that new info menu. I love gauge information. Thanks Tom!
Great in interview and very informative as the R1T is my first EV I am learning about intricate details at all times to pass along. Appreciate you and your work!!!
Tom, great interview! To be fair, and Wassym touched on it. If the R1 had a less capable suspension, as the R2 may, these changes would not be possible to adjust dampening, etc. So the air and hydraulic suspension allow these changes. The R1 is a great platform from the start, albeit a very expensive one to build. I'm looking forward to trying the new software for towing our camper. Our first time towing, the R1T stated 624 miles of range...lol
Excellent vision for current and future vehicle operations. Please provide font adjustments so my ability to view the data on the screens becomes easier.
I enjoy and look forward to each OTA. I also agree 100% with the vertical and complete internal integration of the software and not relying or using Carplay or Android Auto. To Wassym: Is there more features Alexa Auto you are planning. Is the text messaging management/notification on the horizon soon. Will the accent lights in the doors and dash have permanent RGB control. Lastly will there be a better music app for the phone that allow browsing, searching, choosing playlist from the center screen and not from the phone itself? Keep up the great work.
That was a great get Tom to have Wassym on. Thanks so much. Couple questions to ask him would be 1. When is the accent lighting going to be able to be adjusted by the owner to have whatever color they choose? We had orange for Halloween last year and green for Halloween this year. 2. How far are they into integrating the ABRP software into their software stack and what features are to come that will enhance the trip planning-charging experience? 3. What is the path and timing on the amount of new highways-roads they will incorporate into their Driver+ software to again enhance that feature? Thanks again for a great interview and update. You are the best!
Really great interview. “Stay tuned” love it This really does a great job to make Rivian a better and so much easier to recommend to people. I love Rivian. It’s the only other brand I would to drive as is. Polstar is also really sexy but until they are more like a Rivian or Tesla, they won’t get my vote. Hopefully the NACS transition will make everything amazing and more seamless once it’s over and done with.
Super excited to continue seeing updates for vehicles through OTA Updates in the way that Rivian does it. Don't own a Rivian yet or even an EV, but Rivian is definitely at the top of the list for vehicle choice.
Great to see more updates are coming and can't wait to try it out with my R1S. Here are my requests I would like to see in future updates: - Need entertainment apps (UA-cam, Netflix, Game, etc...) this will help us kill the time while waiting at the charge station - Ability to adjust steering wheel (normal, sport, etc) and acceleration paddle (even I am used to one paddle driving as a Tesla owner, Rivian paddle felt heavy especially on high regen) - Surround view camera is great however I feel the resolution can be improved - This is probably the most important one for me is the air suspension sound. It gets a bit loud when the height mode changes.
@State Of Charge - Great interview and video, Tom. Thank you for bringing up the vampire drain issue. I just watched 3 videos about Rivian's 38.0 OTA update and there was no mention of there was a 35% improvement in that area. Even Rivian's video did not mention it. I didn't know of the idea of putting the R1 into Shipping mode to reduce some of the vampire drain. I can't help but wonder when using Shipping mode when vehicle will be subject to cold temperatures as I'm pretty sure the vehicle helps keep the battery warm when it's just sitting there in the cold. And what other possible side affects from using Shipping mode, e.g. does it take longer for vehicle start up? I look forward to the day Rivian can reduce the vampire drain to where it is a non-issue.
Thanks for the interview, it was quite interesting. I would say one statement that sounded a little ground was Rivian‘s ability to change most anything with software. I have been in S/W development for over 35 years and I can say that the SW can only change what the hardware supports. I believe it is clear that Rivian undersized the compressor for the air suspension and the cooling system for the battery. I believe neither of those problems that occur because of that have been able to be addressed with software updates. They can, of course, alleviate them, or restrict the usage of how often you can change the suspension height but that is merely a Band-Aid. I don’t mean to be overly critical software can do great things, especially in the area of user ergonomics. And the R1 vehicles are very attractive and I believe interesting. I have a Taycan because I weigh HW over SW. :-)
Thank you , awesome video. I own a R1T and one suggestion I like to to Rivian. I seen this on an other EV platform to provide the driver a suggested speed to make it to destination when the State of Charge is less then the required if someone plans to drive faster then then posted speeds. I like to also see for the same situation in which the driver selects the desired speed one like to travel and the software provides the state of charge required to make it to the destination at such speed.
I wish Rivian would provide a map that shows which highways are currently covered by the Highway Assist part of Driver+. Also, when is the promised Lane Change Assist coming?
Shipping Mode sounds like a consumer hostile name for a feature. They should add a feature called "Long-term parking mode" and once set it should automatically disable the next time the vehicle is unlocked.
Tom- off subject here but I just got a Tesla to j1772 adapter from A2Z, and was able to compare it to my neighbors lectron adapter. Really nice, might be worth you doing a short review. Higher current limit, cheaper, and more compact than the lectron. It still has the manual lock that you didn’t like but also has a key lock you can use to override that problem. It looks and feels high quality.
Omg. I'm having the same problem as you. The lightning is so smooth and quiet that the wife now drives it daily. Also no one notices it at all unless you use the frunk. Then you get everyone around asking about it. Anyway great interview and very much looking forward to rivian next vehicle. I really like a lot of what they are doing on the software side.
Tom, good video. Thanks question why is the range different between the screen in front of the steering wheel and the estimate of the range at the end of a trip plus the length of the trip. They should be the same. It appears that estimating range at the end of a trip is much betterthan the range on the steering wheel screen. Thanks.
Tom, great interview. I agree with your request about showing the charging curve, but you are an expert and actually know what that charging curve "should" look like, unlike the vast majority of owners so maybe that's more useful to you compared to the average person. In addition to the charging curve, we also need to see what power the vehicle is requesting (or able to take) vs what the charger is actually providing (in real time). Because currently there is no way to know if the charger is derating for some reason (because there's a problem) or the vehicle is derating (because of lack of preconditioning). If it's the charger, then I'm just wasting my time and should move to another charger. But, if it's the vehicle, then there's no point moving. For example, I was at a FreeWire charger recently that is capable of providing 150kW, but it was only putting out 75kW (because it's internal battery was somewhat depleted from a previous user). Anyway, my R1S gives no indication that the charger is the limiting factor in that case. Please consider amending your request to Rivian to include the two requested vs provided charge rates.
How is the software going to know the charger is having issues? It may be able to read what Charger is producing, but without a communication protocol,it won’t know.
I probably wasn't clear. Not asking for any more information from the charger. We can already see the charge rate coming from the charger. But, what I want to know is what charge rate is the vehicle actually capable of accepting at a given time (it could be much higher). Then, it's clear which side is the limiting factor (charger or the vehicle), and I can decide what to do about it (if anything).
Interesting interview albeit a long winded point that it’s better to have S/W development in house. I found the reasons why that’s true and the benefits of same to be quite interesting as my career was as a software developer, in an entirely different industry, document management. To be fair, I’m not a rivian owner so my interest in the rivian specifics may not be a great as those who own one. As always, the SOC videos are of very high value and I continue to await each one that you produce.
Great insight. Thank you Tom & Wassym! Using many suppliers (legacy approach) is clearly slow, costly, and lacks control. Disappointed neither of you gave Tesla credit for pioneering inhouse software design (and so much more). This was not a Rivian innovation.
Happy for those that tow, but prefer Rivian prioritize new functions rather than new ways to display data. Low probability I'll care about motor temps. Instead, add cruise control resume, lane change without having to reset Driver+, expanded Driver+ coverage, better infotainment capabilities, Google maps, self parking, multi destination route planning, etc., etc. I understand the benefits of controlling the software stack, but sometimes it's better to go with best of bread like CarPlay and Android Auto.
With legacy makers, or whatever they are called, it’s worth understanding that they have been building cars over the embedded principle. Where software is localized, built to each part & the integration is then of all of them coming together. The startups are really bringing the stack approach. Don’t see how these brands can catchup. It’s not about the will, but about the way. Battery is a new industry, really.
Thanks for hitting some of those big topics especially vampire drain. Having deeper sleep over time and the option for a real real shipping mode of sorts where everything but the NFC BT module is listening for unlock. Apps in the infotainment like Spotify behaving badly or errant heater sensors should be wrangled in or logged as to what the issue is. Those sorts of faults should communicated to the owner. A diagnostic screen as to what went wrong in the brakes that caused limp mode. Shame obd port isn't available to the canbus for us.
Lectron has announced via email that they have a Tesla supercharger to CCS1 adapter that has been created in cooperation with manufacturers… they suspiciously failed to mention Tesla as one of the manufacturers. Can you provide any info on this adapter?
We have assumed that automakers can fix things over the air. But the fact that some automakers rely on components; not made by them, not using periodical which they have control, the component has an antenna to receive these updates. In the case of Volkswagen their components did not have antennas. They built as if it was done; which works with ICE vehicles, sort of.
Any chance they are working on location intelligence so all an example would be garage doors available in one click around home or car wash mode popping up at a car wash with the screen clean option at the same time. I would also love alerts for traffic light changes to green and even read red. Lastly, Apple Music please. One flaw that happens with an iPhone is the key is still a lag to unlocking the door. How about a feature that will verify a phone key when you manually open the flat door handles and then automatically open so you're not left pulling out your phone to find the unlock button.
Tesla even designed and built their own back office software the runs the company not just the cars. That's not just a huge savings on IT costs it's the ability to change anything quickly.
That is called “NIH syndrome” - wasting effort and money on things that other companies have already solved that aren’t vital to the company “brand/feeling”. There is no reason for a car manufacturer to come up with their own internal back-office software when excellent options already exist, including FOSS options if price is truly a concern.
@@AnonymousFreakYT You can’t modify software you don’t own. Tesla can move at any speed they need to. Other companies have to beg for a change or upgrade the vendor didn’t even know you needed and don’t care about you “one” business.
@@frankcoffey The vehicle software sure. But “back office”? That’s solved. They don’t need to invent that. And there’s open source they could start with and make modifications as necessary.
I completed my final configuration where I cannot receive my deposit back. So I think I am getting closer. I am sitting in the fence on whether to purchase it or not. I am getting the quad motor, white exterior, ocean coast interior, 22" sport dark wheels. Is anyone actually paying 100k for these? I know they have a back log for the R1S, and am curious in just how many of these backlogged orders are at the pre-order pricing? In other words, are people still ordering these for 100k? Obviously, nobody can answer these questions unless you work for Rivian. Any thoughts? Ntw, I am not crazy about this vehicle and definitely dont need it. I juat dont want to lose money in it like anyone else.
Lets not forget - Rivian & Lucid strategies have been "inspired" by Tesla as most employees are from there. No wonder the software first approach is too
Does anyone know if Tesla to CCS adaptors will be available beginning 2024 from someone? Beginning in 2024 will Tesla allow non-Tesla EVs charge at their superchargers with an adaptor.? Anyone know if Tesla going to accelerate the Magic dock installation at supercharger stations? There are so many unanswered questions that no one talks about. I own an Bolt EV and can't make plans because all the companies don't give timelines to what is going to happen and when. I talked with Chevorlet about their adaptors and they said it wouldn't be available until 2025 but, when they said when announcing their switch to NACS they said beginning of 2024 they would be adaptors. So tired of the lack of information and the lying.
The R1's had adaptive cruise control since day 1. What they don't have is the ability to turn off the "adaptive" part and just provide regular cruise control. Why would we want that? Simple, when driving, say, in the winter and snow and/or ice builds up on the front sensors (or just plain dirt), the entire cruise control is temporarily disabled until the sensors are cleaned. That's really annoying on long road trips. Similarly if you're driving into the sun that creates glare on the camera. Rivian has made some improvements with regards to the glare but they really need to provide the ability to use regular cruise control while the adaptive part is disabled or anytime for that matter. @Rivian
Being an R1S owner as well as a Volvo owner - I can tell you for nothing that the Rivian home-brewed (purchased?) navigation is leagues behind Google map/navigate in terms of fidelity, accuracy, and in general, route make-sense-ness. So I do believe there's a cost in accessing Google's API, but maybe think if that cost will be offset by paying a boatload of money for a boatload of engineers to basically replicate the effort of someone who are already ahead of you in that particular field, and probably will always be...
I haven’t followed this area as closely as ~3+ yrs ago. Is this one of the first times an OTA update changed the driving dynamics of at least one system that the OEM didn’t produce, I assume Rivian bought their suspensions from a supplier? Others are just cosmetic changes or infotainment as mentioned and too often they aren’t OTA updates. Requiring a dealership visit to do a software update is a hideous thought as my5yr old Model3 has spoiled me. I’m so glad Rivian is managing to get the work done and power thru the early period as a startup automaker. Still not sure about an effort towards plant 2 in GA along with bringing along 3 different vehicles at the same time. Respect to everyone there and for buyers who have stuck by them. Fans too.
I was hoping to learn some of the controls Rivian has to improve their air suspension. Besides controlling air pressure, can they change levels of dampening? What else is controllable? How about on the measurement side, other than ride height, what else can they sense for computation?
In my opinion the suspension update missed the mark. Sure the care handles some bumps better, but the car is very bouncy now. Stiff is too stiff to be practical around town. I've switched to regularly using Sport in Soft Mode instead of All-Purpose, but that's not ideal. The suspension needs to better absorb bumps without getting bouncy and mushy. My other non air suspension cars do that very well.
That’s cool and “now” very understandable… So Mr Bensaid, please give us a Rivian version that allows us to connect/mirror our devices. Please, this really should be a high priority as we are years in now. 🙏🏾
That over the air update sounds cool. No temperature gauges needed. All warning gauges are a waste of everyone's time & money. The best part is no part. Who cares about all these temperatures of motors, coolant, differentials & transmissions. Oil pressure gauges etc. Rolls Royce stoped in 1974, using temp & oil pressure gauges. Too many calls from worried owners so gone. A big red warning only when you need to know. I don't give a damn about any of it's operating temperature just do the job I purchased you for in silence. I don't want to be pestered because your rhf wheel motor is warming up. Less part is best part lol😂. Nike, JUST DO IT.
Hey Tom, I wanted to correct you about something you got wrong in your last video, it was about the Tesla superchargers becoming available for all electrical vehicles.... Whoever provided that NACS adapter(believe-it-or-not, its probably Elon Musk himself) to you is trying to sneak in this narrative that "Tesla superchargers will open up on a car-by-car automaker basis and that narrative is extremely dangerous". Make no mistake, all Tesla superchargers must open to all EV automakers by 2024 (it doesn't matter the automaker or the manufacturer) and this had been instated by the Biden Administration. Dont let them(Elon Musk) fool you and tell you "ohh well, we're going to open up the Tesla superchargers to Ford and other automakers because we have an agreement with them", the biden administration made it clear that those superchargers must open up to all EV's.
I think you may have misunderstood Tom. Tesla superchargers will be made available to all vehicles via either Tesla to CCS adapter or magic dock. What’s happening on a car by car basis is their adoption of the NACS (Tesla) connector in the vehicles themselves. I think Tom has consistently made that distinction.
NICE, and we can't get FORD to send the Available Updates for "BlueCruise" 1.2 / 1.3 to our 2022 F-150 EB LARIAT V6 to "IMPROVE" it's capability to actually WORK as Designed. "IE" BUG FIXES???? Matter a Fact they pushed an Update out that Turned some User's screen "BLACK" rendering the UI/APIM/Display.... Useless???? Haven't had any updates on our F-150 Since May 3, 2023??? Going on 6 MONTHS, and our Blue Cruise Suck's! That we Put out $2000.00 up Front for??? Really Unhappy with FORD'S ability to send out Updates that are Available Right Now. It's Not Acceptable as a paying customer!! And there explanation for it is LAME AT BEST... GOOD Job RIVIAN!!! Way to take care of your customers. FORD could Learn from Ya'll...
Yeeeah… I’m pretty weary of the implications this could have for limiting access to the vehicle, should you not pay your lease/monthly bill. Or seeing the auto industry turning more into big tech and how they release half-baked software/products with a later update fixing things that should’ve been done before a release.
When on earth are they going to implement support for text messages? Rivian seems utterly tone deaf about how customers use their cars and what features are useful, especially for people who work for a living. A friend of mine who bought an R1S is on the verge of considering selling her vehicle over lack of text message support. She's on the road a lot and need to keep in touch with clients. How on earth can they build a modern car, let alone a modern EV, and fail to implement such a basic feature? Implement CarPlay/Android auto or take seriously the implementation of core software features that have been available in even the cheapest cars for 10+ years. It seems the height of arrogance to not implement a feature requested for so long.
@@im4udevco Do you live in an alternate realty or did you just drop in from 1990? :) Just about every other modern car can read text messages to you and let you dictate a reply back with voice while keeping your hands on the steering wheel. All without having to fumble with your phone as what you have to do if you drive a Rivian. The arrogance in not implementing basic features while not offering Android Auto/CarPlay will not help Rivian sell more cars.
Software only matters if 1) you get it really wrong and 2) you can't update it quickly and effectively. If you focus on getting it right before launching a vehicle, you don't need to do all this.
The terrible ride quality is the sole reason that I canceled my R1S order. In comparison, my air suspension equipped Grand Cherokee ride quality is leagues ahead of Rivian. It's a thousand times more refined on the road.
The R1S is a much smoother mall crawler (if you want that) now. If you don’t want that, you can still keep the ‘old’ setting by pushing a button to keep it stiff. Of course, you won’t experience that because your only exposure to an R1S was on one before the update. How much better has your Cherokee gotten since you drove it home? My condolences for your cancellation.
@@fpartidafpartida No, actually I have driven a software updated R1S and it's still nowhere near the ride quality of my Grand Cherokee. And why would my Grand Cherokee need to get better when it already has a perfect ride quality? Jeep engineers dialed in the air suspension to have just the right amount amount of compression and rebound to soak up bumps to maintain comfort while not sacrificing handling or road manners. Rivian, on the other hand, will have to learn how to refine their suspension systems over time. Maybe someday they'll get it right. For now, that's not the case.
I own both a Tesla Model 3 and a Rivian R1S. Dude (love my Tesla), but sit this one out. Rivian software updates have been able to level (as in raise or lower all 4 corners of the vehicle) in camp mode, added snow mode (which drastically improved safety), softened the ride suspension….in other words altered the physical ride and experience characteristics of the vehicle. Tesla updates are fun and all, but they can’t control sway or stiffness. Rivian has more cameras and dynamic control in their vehicles, so can by default offer better software upgrades.
@@fpartidafpartida only because the most popular Teslas, the Y and 3 don’t have adaptive suspension is the software not available in those cars. It is in the S and X,so you’re inaccurate as to your supposition that Tesla doesn’t offer the same.
@@alexnutcasio936 Agree, the 3 and Y are sold at a lower price point so don't have air suspension. The Cybertruck is imminent and will be a features revolution so to speak. That said, with over 2,100,000 pre-orders it will be hard to get unless one has an early pre-order. I think the Rivian will be more compelling after they fully upgrade to NACS charging. Until then long distance travel is a problem.
@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney yes it was, it was "wow non serious tesla is doing pointless updates while Rivian is doing important updates snicker snicker snicker"
Larry. I said it, so I should know if it was meant as a shot at Tesla, and it wasn't. You might have perceived it as such, but it wasn't. Tesla has proven to be an industry leader in OTA updates, nobody is doubting that, I was just using the fart mode as an example of an update that wasn't a very sophisticated one, not saying Tesla doesn't also push out very complex OTA updates.
@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney if you wanted to be fair and transparent in the interview you would've stated that but you didn't because your too busy kissing butt. To be clear, I think rivian is doing a great job but to take shots at tesla and say multiple times "no one else in the industry has released updates like this" is just plain pr bs for rivian.
Why do you want it? What does it offer that you can’t get with Rivian’s native systems that will make you “never buy one”? What app are you missing that is better than having 910lbs ft of torque with instant torque vectoring at each individual wheel? What software features does car play offer that is better than having a 7 passenger lux SUV with a giant skylight that can forge through 3 feet of water and have 15” of ground clearance and can out accelerate almost every production Ferrari in existence? What button can’t you click that would make up for getting 175,000 mile drive train warranty that include the battery? What music service does car play offer that would sound better than Rivian’s 1,500W sound system? I’m bated with anticipation to hear your response….say Ways, please say Ways.
Continuing the “iphone” experience into the car is important. It’s our most modern massively utilized tool. The bridge between the concepts of car play and Rivian software tech needs to be made.
Thanks Tom and Wassym. Hearing Wassym talk about the hidden costs of relying on 3rd parties for software was spot on. I love the release cadence Rivian is on. I also get a bit tired all the requests for Apple Carplay. We own a R1S, Tesla Model Y and I previously had the Polestar 2. The biggest thing I miss/want with Rivian software is the following:
1. Ability to use other mapping software. As someone living in a large city with kids' events scattered all over, I use navigation all the time not just for directions, but for best routes based on traffic. Rivian Nav has let me down many times. Loved Polestar in this regard to showing turn by turn in car binnacle and overview on center display. With option for Google or Apple maps.
2. More coverage area for Driver Plus.
3. Better responsiveness for PaaK (phone as a key)
4. I echo Tom's request for charging curve and more fool proof option for phantom drain. I have helped several friends to go EV (Rivian and others) and its always a bit hard to explain all of that to people who don't follow all of this closely.
Hey @john-sea I am not sure you are aware but Rivian did purchase ABRP (A Better Route Planner) so hopefully that will be very helpful - not sure of implementation timeline though
@@Dr_Flankensteinn - Yep, but Rivian has yet to fully leverage the ABRP code yet. Simple waypoints are still not yet possible which is really annoying, to the point I have to run other nav systems on my phone and tablet on road trips. Just another area, besides the phantom drain issue, I'd like to see Rivian spend some serious time on.
@@chuckm260 good to know! Thanks!
Wassym, you are awesome! Thanks for your time and your insights. And thanks to you Tom, for bringing Wassym on.
Fascinating info! Every time I get an OTA it’s like I’ve just received a new vehicle! My R1T’s software updates makes it so much more enjoyable to drive.
Great interview! Keep up your great work.
Great video Tom! As an R1T owner, it super cool to see Rivian's VP being this open and interactive with the customer base.
Great content Tom! And thanks to Wassym for joining. Wassym is one of the many reasons I'm a super happy Rivian owner.
Another great interview, Tom! The feedback and genuine enthusiasm from Wassym gives me great confidence in Rivian's future. There's a level of transparency, availability, and realistic optimism coming out of Rivian that you don't really see from some of the other newer EV OEMs.
This was interesting and entertaining to watch as a software engineer. Thanks for more great content 👍
One thing I'd like to commend Rivian for software-wise outside of the improvements to physical components (which is amazing in its own right) is their ability to provide lots of information in a clean and easy to read UI. It sounds simple, but it's a difficult balance. The biggest software companies in the world (Google, Amazon, etc) are very good at this, while Tesla is the master at it in the automotive industry.
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Looking forward to the new and latest update. When it rolls out on the west coast. Outstanding interview. Absolutely enjoy everything about my R1S
This is cool as heck. Thank you for doing this interview and sharing this Tom. I've been a software professional my entire career and seeing software development become a core in-house competency of automotive has been very exciting. Wassym said it right, a third-party software supplier just doesn't have the same sense of urgency or aligned incentives to get things done when needed.
I feel like resource head room could be addressed by making the head unit swappable (ideally with the obsolete head unit being recycled). I realize the processing requirements for some of this are quite high so it's not like the head unit itself can do it all, but it could keep responsiveness smooth as the infotainment UI is advanced beyond the CPU or memory of the original head unit.
I watched this interview and initiated my OTA update for 38.0 at the same time. Really excited to see that new info menu. I love gauge information. Thanks Tom!
Had a great time watching this. Thanks!
Great in interview and very informative as the R1T is my first EV I am learning about intricate details at all times to pass along. Appreciate you and your work!!!
What a fantastic interview! This is some great insider knowledge.
Rivian continues to impress
Thanks Tom, first class job as always. Vehicle software deserves a much broader and deeper review by all. We need a Sandy Munro for software.
Tom, great interview! To be fair, and Wassym touched on it. If the R1 had a less capable suspension, as the R2 may, these changes would not be possible to adjust dampening, etc. So the air and hydraulic suspension allow these changes. The R1 is a great platform from the start, albeit a very expensive one to build. I'm looking forward to trying the new software for towing our camper. Our first time towing, the R1T stated 624 miles of range...lol
Excellent vision for current and future vehicle operations. Please provide font adjustments so my ability to view the data on the screens becomes easier.
I enjoy and look forward to each OTA. I also agree 100% with the vertical and complete internal integration of the software and not relying or using Carplay or Android Auto. To Wassym: Is there more features Alexa Auto you are planning. Is the text messaging management/notification on the horizon soon. Will the accent lights in the doors and dash have permanent RGB control. Lastly will there be a better music app for the phone that allow browsing, searching, choosing playlist from the center screen and not from the phone itself? Keep up the great work.
That was a great get Tom to have Wassym on. Thanks so much. Couple questions to ask him would be 1. When is the accent lighting going to be able to be adjusted by the owner to have whatever color they choose? We had orange for Halloween last year and green for Halloween this year. 2. How far are they into integrating the ABRP software into their software stack and what features are to come that will enhance the trip planning-charging experience? 3. What is the path and timing on the amount of new highways-roads they will incorporate into their Driver+ software to again enhance that feature? Thanks again for a great interview and update. You are the best!
Really great interview. “Stay tuned” love it
This really does a great job to make Rivian a better and so much easier to recommend to people. I love Rivian. It’s the only other brand I would to drive as is. Polstar is also really sexy but until they are more like a Rivian or Tesla, they won’t get my vote. Hopefully the NACS transition will make everything amazing and more seamless once it’s over and done with.
Super excited to continue seeing updates for vehicles through OTA Updates in the way that Rivian does it. Don't own a Rivian yet or even an EV, but Rivian is definitely at the top of the list for vehicle choice.
Great to see more updates are coming and can't wait to try it out with my R1S.
Here are my requests I would like to see in future updates:
- Need entertainment apps (UA-cam, Netflix, Game, etc...) this will help us kill the time while waiting at the charge station
- Ability to adjust steering wheel (normal, sport, etc) and acceleration paddle (even I am used to one paddle driving as a Tesla owner, Rivian paddle felt heavy especially on high regen)
- Surround view camera is great however I feel the resolution can be improved
- This is probably the most important one for me is the air suspension sound. It gets a bit loud when the height mode changes.
Very good interview for both you and Rivian. My Lightning lacks so much technical feedback info, I am jealous ....
@State Of Charge - Great interview and video, Tom. Thank you for bringing up the vampire drain issue. I just watched 3 videos about Rivian's 38.0 OTA update and there was no mention of there was a 35% improvement in that area. Even Rivian's video did not mention it. I didn't know of the idea of putting the R1 into Shipping mode to reduce some of the vampire drain. I can't help but wonder when using Shipping mode when vehicle will be subject to cold temperatures as I'm pretty sure the vehicle helps keep the battery warm when it's just sitting there in the cold. And what other possible side affects from using Shipping mode, e.g. does it take longer for vehicle start up?
I look forward to the day Rivian can reduce the vampire drain to where it is a non-issue.
Thanks for the interview, it was quite interesting. I would say one statement that sounded a little ground was Rivian‘s ability to change most anything with software. I have been in S/W development for over 35 years and I can say that the SW can only change what the hardware supports. I believe it is clear that Rivian undersized the compressor for the air suspension and the cooling system for the battery. I believe neither of those problems that occur because of that have been able to be addressed with software updates. They can, of course, alleviate them, or restrict the usage of how often you can change the suspension height but that is merely a Band-Aid.
I don’t mean to be overly critical software can do great things, especially in the area of user ergonomics. And the R1 vehicles are very attractive and I believe interesting. I have a Taycan because I weigh HW over SW. :-)
Thank you , awesome video. I own a R1T and one suggestion I like to to Rivian. I seen this on an other EV platform to provide the driver a suggested speed to make it to destination when the State of Charge is less then the required if someone plans to drive faster then then posted speeds. I like to also see for the same situation in which the driver selects the desired speed one like to travel and the software provides the state of charge required to make it to the destination at such speed.
Great interview. Thank you!
I wish Rivian would provide a map that shows which highways are currently covered by the Highway Assist part of Driver+. Also, when is the promised Lane Change Assist coming?
Shipping Mode sounds like a consumer hostile name for a feature. They should add a feature called "Long-term parking mode" and once set it should automatically disable the next time the vehicle is unlocked.
Tom- off subject here but I just got a Tesla to j1772 adapter from A2Z, and was able to compare it to my neighbors lectron adapter. Really nice, might be worth you doing a short review. Higher current limit, cheaper, and more compact than the lectron. It still has the manual lock that you didn’t like but also has a key lock you can use to override that problem. It looks and feels high quality.
Omg. I'm having the same problem as you.
The lightning is so smooth and quiet that the wife now drives it daily.
Also no one notices it at all unless you use the frunk. Then you get everyone around asking about it.
Anyway great interview and very much looking forward to rivian next vehicle. I really like a lot of what they are doing on the software side.
Tom, good video. Thanks question why is the range different between the screen in front of the steering wheel and the estimate of the range at the end of a trip plus the length of the trip. They should be the same. It appears that estimating range at the end of a trip is much betterthan the range on the steering wheel screen. Thanks.
Great interview
Tom, great interview. I agree with your request about showing the charging curve, but you are an expert and actually know what that charging curve "should" look like, unlike the vast majority of owners so maybe that's more useful to you compared to the average person. In addition to the charging curve, we also need to see what power the vehicle is requesting (or able to take) vs what the charger is actually providing (in real time). Because currently there is no way to know if the charger is derating for some reason (because there's a problem) or the vehicle is derating (because of lack of preconditioning). If it's the charger, then I'm just wasting my time and should move to another charger. But, if it's the vehicle, then there's no point moving. For example, I was at a FreeWire charger recently that is capable of providing 150kW, but it was only putting out 75kW (because it's internal battery was somewhat depleted from a previous user). Anyway, my R1S gives no indication that the charger is the limiting factor in that case. Please consider amending your request to Rivian to include the two requested vs provided charge rates.
How is the software going to know the charger is having issues? It may be able to read what Charger is producing, but without a communication protocol,it won’t know.
I probably wasn't clear. Not asking for any more information from the charger. We can already see the charge rate coming from the charger. But, what I want to know is what charge rate is the vehicle actually capable of accepting at a given time (it could be much higher). Then, it's clear which side is the limiting factor (charger or the vehicle), and I can decide what to do about it (if anything).
Thank you
Interesting interview albeit a long winded point that it’s better to have S/W development in house. I found the reasons why that’s true and the benefits of same to be quite interesting as my career was as a software developer, in an entirely different industry, document management. To be fair, I’m not a rivian owner so my interest in the rivian specifics may not be a great as those who own one. As always, the SOC videos are of very high value and I continue to await each one that you produce.
This towing-focused update came to my vehicle one day after I finished a 1500 mile towing trip. 😂
Good stuff. Thanks!
Great insight. Thank you Tom & Wassym! Using many suppliers (legacy approach) is clearly slow, costly, and lacks control. Disappointed neither of you gave Tesla credit for pioneering inhouse software design (and so much more). This was not a Rivian innovation.
Happy for those that tow, but prefer Rivian prioritize new functions rather than new ways to display data. Low probability I'll care about motor temps. Instead, add cruise control resume, lane change without having to reset Driver+, expanded Driver+ coverage, better infotainment capabilities, Google maps, self parking, multi destination route planning, etc., etc. I understand the benefits of controlling the software stack, but sometimes it's better to go with best of bread like CarPlay and Android Auto.
With legacy makers, or whatever they are called, it’s worth understanding that they have been building cars over the embedded principle. Where software is localized, built to each part & the integration is then of all of them coming together. The startups are really bringing the stack approach. Don’t see how these brands can catchup. It’s not about the will, but about the way. Battery is a new industry, really.
Thank you.
Thanks for hitting some of those big topics especially vampire drain. Having deeper sleep over time and the option for a real real shipping mode of sorts where everything but the NFC BT module is listening for unlock. Apps in the infotainment like Spotify behaving badly or errant heater sensors should be wrangled in or logged as to what the issue is. Those sorts of faults should communicated to the owner. A diagnostic screen as to what went wrong in the brakes that caused limp mode. Shame obd port isn't available to the canbus for us.
Lectron has announced via email that they have a Tesla supercharger to CCS1 adapter that has been created in cooperation with manufacturers… they suspiciously failed to mention Tesla as one of the manufacturers. Can you provide any info on this adapter?
That opening edit..."Welcome Back" I felt like you are going to tell us a Halloween story or something :D
We have assumed that automakers can fix things over the air. But the fact that some automakers rely on components; not made by them, not using periodical which they have control, the component has an antenna to receive these updates.
In the case of Volkswagen their components did not have antennas. They built as if it was done; which works with ICE vehicles, sort of.
Awesome interview. Now when do we get UA-cam? 😊
Any chance they are working on location intelligence so all an example would be garage doors available in one click around home or car wash mode popping up at a car wash with the screen clean option at the same time. I would also love alerts for traffic light changes to green and even read red. Lastly, Apple Music please. One flaw that happens with an iPhone is the key is still a lag to unlocking the door. How about a feature that will verify a phone key when you manually open the flat door handles and then automatically open so you're not left pulling out your phone to find the unlock button.
Tesla even designed and built their own back office software the runs the company not just the cars. That's not just a huge savings on IT costs it's the ability to change anything quickly.
That is called “NIH syndrome” - wasting effort and money on things that other companies have already solved that aren’t vital to the company “brand/feeling”. There is no reason for a car manufacturer to come up with their own internal back-office software when excellent options already exist, including FOSS options if price is truly a concern.
@@AnonymousFreakYT You can’t modify software you don’t own. Tesla can move at any speed they need to. Other companies have to beg for a change or upgrade the vendor didn’t even know you needed and don’t care about you “one” business.
@@frankcoffey The vehicle software sure. But “back office”? That’s solved. They don’t need to invent that. And there’s open source they could start with and make modifications as necessary.
Tom, is the ride improved only on the most expensive version of the R1S?
For the charging curve, don't just show the rate, but also the battery temperature, and show both simultaneously.
I completed my final configuration where I cannot receive my deposit back. So I think I am getting closer. I am sitting in the fence on whether to purchase it or not. I am getting the quad motor, white exterior, ocean coast interior, 22" sport dark wheels. Is anyone actually paying 100k for these? I know they have a back log for the R1S, and am curious in just how many of these backlogged orders are at the pre-order pricing? In other words, are people still ordering these for 100k? Obviously, nobody can answer these questions unless you work for Rivian. Any thoughts? Ntw, I am not crazy about this vehicle and definitely dont need it. I juat dont want to lose money in it like anyone else.
Is the battery now able to get preconditioned for charging?
Yes
Lets not forget - Rivian & Lucid strategies have been "inspired" by Tesla as most employees are from there. No wonder the software first approach is too
Does anyone know if Tesla to CCS adaptors will be available beginning 2024 from someone? Beginning in 2024 will Tesla allow non-Tesla EVs charge at their superchargers with an adaptor.? Anyone know if Tesla going to accelerate the Magic dock installation at supercharger stations? There are so many unanswered questions that no one talks about. I own an Bolt EV and can't make plans because all the companies don't give timelines to what is going to happen and when. I talked with Chevorlet about their adaptors and they said it wouldn't be available until 2025 but, when they said when announcing their switch to NACS they said beginning of 2024 they would be adaptors. So tired of the lack of information and the lying.
Can the over the air updates make the cruise control adaptive?
It already is.
The R1's had adaptive cruise control since day 1. What they don't have is the ability to turn off the "adaptive" part and just provide regular cruise control. Why would we want that? Simple, when driving, say, in the winter and snow and/or ice builds up on the front sensors (or just plain dirt), the entire cruise control is temporarily disabled until the sensors are cleaned. That's really annoying on long road trips. Similarly if you're driving into the sun that creates glare on the camera. Rivian has made some improvements with regards to the glare but they really need to provide the ability to use regular cruise control while the adaptive part is disabled or anytime for that matter. @Rivian
"EVs are a digital product." Jim Farley.
how big is his development team vs the number of testers
Being an R1S owner as well as a Volvo owner - I can tell you for nothing that the Rivian home-brewed (purchased?) navigation is leagues behind Google map/navigate in terms of fidelity, accuracy, and in general, route make-sense-ness. So I do believe there's a cost in accessing Google's API, but maybe think if that cost will be offset by paying a boatload of money for a boatload of engineers to basically replicate the effort of someone who are already ahead of you in that particular field, and probably will always be...
I haven’t followed this area as closely as ~3+ yrs ago. Is this one of the first times an OTA update changed the driving dynamics of at least one system that the OEM didn’t produce, I assume Rivian bought their suspensions from a supplier?
Others are just cosmetic changes or infotainment as mentioned and too often they aren’t OTA updates. Requiring a dealership visit to do a software update is a hideous thought as my5yr old Model3 has spoiled me.
I’m so glad Rivian is managing to get the work done and power thru the early period as a startup automaker.
Still not sure about an effort towards plant 2 in GA along with bringing along 3 different vehicles at the same time.
Respect to everyone there and for buyers who have stuck by them. Fans too.
I was hoping to learn some of the controls Rivian has to improve their air suspension. Besides controlling air pressure, can they change levels of dampening? What else is controllable?
How about on the measurement side, other than ride height, what else can they sense for computation?
As an engineer twice, my question is how far behind is rivian compared to tesla?
The R1T definitely drives better, I had the S loner for a week & I wasn’t impressed, T has the better ride
VW and others have realized you can't outsource software development and support
We need to be able to seclude pre conditioning
I agree!
can you please explain?
I love seeing startup auto makers copy Tesla. The future looks bright. (unless you're stuck with UAW)
Who’s here after the 2023.42 brick update?
In my opinion the suspension update missed the mark. Sure the care handles some bumps better, but the car is very bouncy now. Stiff is too stiff to be practical around town. I've switched to regularly using Sport in Soft Mode instead of All-Purpose, but that's not ideal. The suspension needs to better absorb bumps without getting bouncy and mushy. My other non air suspension cars do that very well.
Wassym please keep doing what you are doing to make our Rivians great but please just give us Apple Carplay.
He literally just explained the cons of relying on 3rd party including HMI overlays that you now have to work with apple or Google
@@battousaihimura - LOL, exactly.
That’s cool and “now” very understandable… So Mr Bensaid, please give us a Rivian version that allows us to connect/mirror our devices. Please, this really should be a high priority as we are years in now. 🙏🏾
That over the air update sounds cool.
No temperature gauges needed. All warning gauges are a waste of everyone's time & money. The best part is no part. Who cares about all these temperatures of motors, coolant, differentials & transmissions. Oil pressure gauges etc.
Rolls Royce stoped in 1974, using temp & oil pressure gauges. Too many calls from worried owners so gone. A big red warning only when you need to know. I don't give a damn about any of it's operating temperature just do the job I purchased you for in silence. I don't want to be pestered because your rhf wheel motor is warming up. Less part is best part lol😂.
Nike, JUST DO IT.
Hey Tom, I wanted to correct you about something you got wrong in your last video, it was about the Tesla superchargers becoming available for all electrical vehicles.... Whoever provided that NACS adapter(believe-it-or-not, its probably Elon Musk himself) to you is trying to sneak in this narrative that "Tesla superchargers will open up on a car-by-car automaker basis and that narrative is extremely dangerous". Make no mistake, all Tesla superchargers must open to all EV automakers by 2024 (it doesn't matter the automaker or the manufacturer) and this had been instated by the Biden Administration. Dont let them(Elon Musk) fool you and tell you "ohh well, we're going to open up the Tesla superchargers to Ford and other automakers because we have an agreement with them", the biden administration made it clear that those superchargers must open up to all EV's.
I think you may have misunderstood Tom. Tesla superchargers will be made available to all vehicles via either Tesla to CCS adapter or magic dock. What’s happening on a car by car basis is their adoption of the NACS (Tesla) connector in the vehicles themselves. I think Tom has consistently made that distinction.
NICE, and we can't get FORD to send the Available Updates for "BlueCruise" 1.2 / 1.3 to our 2022 F-150 EB LARIAT V6 to "IMPROVE" it's capability to actually WORK as Designed. "IE" BUG FIXES???? Matter a Fact they pushed an Update out that Turned some User's screen "BLACK" rendering the UI/APIM/Display.... Useless???? Haven't had any updates on our F-150 Since May 3, 2023??? Going on 6 MONTHS, and our Blue Cruise Suck's! That we Put out $2000.00 up Front for??? Really Unhappy with FORD'S ability to send out Updates that are Available Right Now. It's Not Acceptable as a paying customer!! And there explanation for it is LAME AT BEST... GOOD Job RIVIAN!!! Way to take care of your customers. FORD could Learn from Ya'll...
Yeeeah… I’m pretty weary of the implications this could have for limiting access to the vehicle, should you not pay your lease/monthly bill. Or seeing the auto industry turning more into big tech and how they release half-baked software/products with a later update fixing things that should’ve been done before a release.
When on earth are they going to implement support for text messages? Rivian seems utterly tone deaf about how customers use their cars and what features are useful, especially for people who work for a living.
A friend of mine who bought an R1S is on the verge of considering selling her vehicle over lack of text message support. She's on the road a lot and need to keep in touch with clients. How on earth can they build a modern car, let alone a modern EV, and fail to implement such a basic feature?
Implement CarPlay/Android auto or take seriously the implementation of core software features that have been available in even the cheapest cars for 10+ years. It seems the height of arrogance to not implement a feature requested for so long.
No text messages while driving my friend.
Why is she texting while driving?
@@im4udevco Do you live in an alternate realty or did you just drop in from 1990? :) Just about every other modern car can read text messages to you and let you dictate a reply back with voice while keeping your hands on the steering wheel. All without having to fumble with your phone as what you have to do if you drive a Rivian. The arrogance in not implementing basic features while not offering Android Auto/CarPlay will not help Rivian sell more cars.
Exactly. Major fail for Rivian.
@@im4udevco My Jeep reads my text messages to me. It will also let me respond by using my voice.
Software only matters if 1) you get it really wrong and 2) you can't update it quickly and effectively.
If you focus on getting it right before launching a vehicle, you don't need to do all this.
Tesla software is way ahead of rivian.
The terrible ride quality is the sole reason that I canceled my R1S order. In comparison, my air suspension equipped Grand Cherokee ride quality is leagues ahead of Rivian. It's a thousand times more refined on the road.
The R1S is a much smoother mall crawler (if you want that) now. If you don’t want that, you can still keep the ‘old’ setting by pushing a button to keep it stiff. Of course, you won’t experience that because your only exposure to an R1S was on one before the update. How much better has your Cherokee gotten since you drove it home? My condolences for your cancellation.
@@fpartidafpartida No, actually I have driven a software updated R1S and it's still nowhere near the ride quality of my Grand Cherokee. And why would my Grand Cherokee need to get better when it already has a perfect ride quality? Jeep engineers dialed in the air suspension to have just the right amount amount of compression and rebound to soak up bumps to maintain comfort while not sacrificing handling or road manners. Rivian, on the other hand, will have to learn how to refine their suspension systems over time. Maybe someday they'll get it right. For now, that's not the case.
Rivian’s software advantage, LOL.
Elon Musk, “ hold my Coders”
I own both a Tesla Model 3 and a Rivian R1S. Dude (love my Tesla), but sit this one out. Rivian software updates have been able to level (as in raise or lower all 4 corners of the vehicle) in camp mode, added snow mode (which drastically improved safety), softened the ride suspension….in other words altered the physical ride and experience characteristics of the vehicle. Tesla updates are fun and all, but they can’t control sway or stiffness. Rivian has more cameras and dynamic control in their vehicles, so can by default offer better software upgrades.
@@fpartidafpartida only because the most popular Teslas, the Y and 3 don’t have adaptive suspension is the software not available in those cars. It is in the S and X,so you’re inaccurate as to your supposition that Tesla doesn’t offer the same.
@@alexnutcasio936 Agree, the 3 and Y are sold at a lower price point so don't have air suspension. The Cybertruck is imminent and will be a features revolution so to speak. That said, with over 2,100,000 pre-orders it will be hard to get unless one has an early pre-order. I think the Rivian will be more compelling after they fully upgrade to NACS charging. Until then long distance travel is a problem.
@@alexnutcasio936 You’re saying the x does level the car in camp mode? Pretty sure it doesn’t.
@@fpartidafpartida where did I say that? Reading is fundamental.
Lol sure, take shots at tesla over the fart feature but not acknowledge that years ago they had done suspension Ota updates
That wasn't at all a shot at Tesla, Larry.
@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney yes it was, it was "wow non serious tesla is doing pointless updates while Rivian is doing important updates snicker snicker snicker"
Larry. I said it, so I should know if it was meant as a shot at Tesla, and it wasn't. You might have perceived it as such, but it wasn't. Tesla has proven to be an industry leader in OTA updates, nobody is doubting that, I was just using the fart mode as an example of an update that wasn't a very sophisticated one, not saying Tesla doesn't also push out very complex OTA updates.
@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney if you wanted to be fair and transparent in the interview you would've stated that but you didn't because your too busy kissing butt. To be clear, I think rivian is doing a great job but to take shots at tesla and say multiple times "no one else in the industry has released updates like this" is just plain pr bs for rivian.
No matter how good the software is if they don't integrate CarPlay I'll never buy one.
Why do you want it? What does it offer that you can’t get with Rivian’s native systems that will make you “never buy one”? What app are you missing that is better than having 910lbs ft of torque with instant torque vectoring at each individual wheel? What software features does car play offer that is better than having a 7 passenger lux SUV with a giant skylight that can forge through 3 feet of water and have 15” of ground clearance and can out accelerate almost every production Ferrari in existence? What button can’t you click that would make up for getting 175,000 mile drive train warranty that include the battery? What music service does car play offer that would sound better than Rivian’s 1,500W sound system? I’m bated with anticipation to hear your response….say Ways, please say Ways.
Continuing the “iphone” experience into the car is important. It’s our most modern massively utilized tool. The bridge between the concepts of car play and Rivian software tech needs to be made.
I recall an interview the CEO had a few months ago mentioned they are working on bring more features and capabilities for the phone app