Did a similar repair a few years back except I knew a welder who welded new legs on the railing for me. Worth doing because replacing the railings was going to cost a fortune but I still remember how brutal it was spending hours in the hot sun with a hammer drill getting the metal pieces out of the concrete and preparing the holes. Not sure if all concrete is created equal but for anyone doing this job, be prepared to work on that piece.
This is not wrought iron. Wrought iron is an amazing material that is seldom seen these days. This is a cheap $100 railing made with tubular steel from Home Depot.
Correct, it is not true wrought iron. It is steel fabricated in the style of traditional “wrought iron”. Good luck ordering custom fabricated rails like this for $100 though! I run a metal fab business and build lots of railings. This repair saved the home owner about $1200 in my estimation. If you don’t have the tools or skill to repair this with proper welding equipment, this method should work just fine! Not sure what kind of adhesive they used, but I’d probably use an epoxy.
Great video, not sure that I would be satisfied with the rolled edges on the new legs vs the original squared edge. Other than that, great way to fix the issue. I wonder how he cleaned out the cemented in legs that he cut off.
Actually probably not. He had those extensions "Made" i.e. probably an off the shelf part that might just be cut to length with a chop saw or band saw, where a company puts of thousands of them a day in different shapes and sizes.
Because this is a TV show that shows up just for the day the shoot on. The new legs would have been fabricated before they cut off the railing. And No, they are not “off the shelf” parts.
@@jordancliff Yes, the stock IS "off-the-shelf". All that had to be done was cut them to length. The rest is in the video. Simple. My only gripe is Tom said "masonary" bit. It's "masonry". There is no "a" after the "n". That drives me nuts, along with hot water heater. You don't heat hot water. It's just a water heater.
Porsche924Tim I meant maybe TOM didnt have welding gear.I get the impression he was doing the job "on site". I have almost every cordless power tool going,but no welding gear.
animal79thecat Tom had to go to the metal shop to have the extensions made... just have them weld the extensions on for a more professional and secure railing.
I'm a bit confused at the rivet part. Why not a rivet nut? How does the rivet actually grab the inner iron pole? I'm attempting the same repair and I just don't understand how the rivet is supposed to lock both parts into place.
90% of comments - people who have never repaired more than a nail hole in a wall complaining about the way he fixed it. 9% of comments - in defense of the repair method 1% of comments - no relevance to the video whatsoever
Why not put the hydraulic cement into the hole (half way up) first then set the railings into it, that way all air pockets are eliminated? Personally I would have used a tube or two of PL premium instead of cement, that way the water is sealed out, as oppose to concrete which is porous. Agree with the other posters to have the metal shop simply weld on the extensions.
Hydraulic cement is very brittle and not meant to hold any weight. It is, primarily, for filling gaps/leaks, and not for structure/load-bearing. It also wears away fairly easily in open-to-natural environments.
At this point I hardly even focus on the videos. I just come to the comments for all the 13 year olds who have somehow been master masons for 34 years and decided they are railing jesus
Hahaha i know right. Hysterical, where is their tv show thats been on for almost 40 years, millions of dollars in revenue, youtube series, and world famous names that millions recognize?? Not to mention he’s a carpenter which is more of a jack of all trades master of none in other words he’s not a railing expert or metal worker but he can do everything. I’m a carpenter myself and wish I had his 35+ years experience, they don’t make modern craftsman as skilled or knowledgeable anymore that can look at any problem and fix it on the spot. (Maybe not perfectly correct, but it will be fixed guaranteed)
Thanks, a lot of us are much better qualified, being on TV doesnt make you a genius. Masonary bit? Masonary? Not even a word. Hes using aluminum rivets on steel. Google it Einstein, and see how long that will last.
I sure am glad he didn't have someone weld new feet onto rusty tubing. Solid bar inserts are much stronger than brittle tubing welds and the epoxy will help to reduce water contact rusting the tubing further from the inside. That repair will outlast the railing. But...I thought just using the tape to hold the railing straight was a little sketchy. 😮
Which is probably a great solution, but most home owners doing DIY projects aren't going to bust out a welder. The show's producers are focused on the target demographic.
Wow, I was amazed to see this crazy repair job. Any yuppie could have used a Harber Freight welder and put new square stock on the legs, ground flush and painted.
I'm glad the video exists, though. We're running into a timing issue on our project where we don't have the time or resources to take on a welding project right now, but we can have someone do what is in the video instead...assuming we can find the hollow leg inserts.
This solution (a)avoided the need to acquire or rent a welder, (b)was thus probably less expensive since those parts he got were just off the shelf parts the shop cut to size for him, (c)the need to spend time learning how to weld, (d)the need to have an angle grinder available to clean the welds. In other words, this solution worked well and solved the problem, without the need to resort to welding.
Cheaper solution would have been to have solid extensions welded. Two different metals cause Galvanic corrosion at the hole even though its temporary for holding.
Can you let me know where you bought the steel leg extension? Because due to Covid we have a hard time finding the metal fabricator in our area. It would be nice if you could let me know where you purchased yours.
He's got that extension bottomed out in the hole and up a good distance up that's never going anywhere that was good how he founded up the cement for water they do make a bottom trim piece like an apron that sits on the bottom over the mounds caulk both edges w silicone that railing will be there another 50yrs
what’s the cost of replacing the rail and plates? having stuff fabricated and all this labor seems like it would outweigh the cost of just replacing the whole thing.
sir, we Indian not understand very much American English . so please always give subtitle and name of the item like iron name like glue you use . please give the cost of material also.
But this would still leave it a little rough to touch right even after the paint. Is making it smoother all about sanding more? Apologies if that's a dumb question
Old video, but I am still here to read all the comments from the UA-cam pros! Let me guess at some....JUST BUY NEW. SHOULD HAVE WELDED. HE USED GLUE? HE PUT TAPE ON THE HOUSE! A RIVET?
Do it the easy way to half sticks of dynamite board roughly a foot from the edges stand back light the fuse wait till it goes boom clean up the debris and start with a new one
I don't understand why you would have extension legs manufactured, instead of taking the railing to the fabrication and have him weld on new legs. would've been faster and better. ?
To extract the metal base from the cement he uses a masonry bit? I don't understand. So cutting into the cement underneath the metal base frees the metal base?
The American he used the drill to basically excavate the area around* the hole (and subsequently, area containing the rusted metal), to free everything up. Then you can just put your hand in the hole and pull out the rusted part (along with rock)
The American what’s confusing , but oh so genius, is he first set the bit inside the hole to *only gauge the depth of the rust metal bit under the slab. Point= no sense in demo-Ing *any deeper than he had to to get to the rusted metal
Its one way to do it everyone stop trying to figure out how to outsmart a genius I did a whole bunch of these I had to fix all the cement around the rotten metal it was all crumbling and broken off in huge chunks the adhesive he used is doing the work and the rivet is just holding it til it sets up
Almost all of those railings are steel, that one most certainly is. Wrought iron would be a solid piece not a square tube. In the common lexicon, steel railings are called wrought iron railings to distinguish them from wood or other materials. For true wrought iron it would have to be a heritage home or someone shelled out big bucks for custom work from a blacksmith.
The extensions were fine and actually were a lot stronger than the original. I just wish he had brought the railing pieces with him and had them weld them on. Also fill the holes half way with the hydraulic cement and then top off and for Gods sake man, use some tape !
Aluminum doesn't rust like Iron so it's actually a good idea. The rivet isn't actually holding anything together it's just holding things in place until the adhesive cures.
Bad job. Like the first master who made this, you forgot to make holes in the condensate drain pipe. Now the pipe will rot above the rod inserted into it. For normal fixation of the railing in concrete, notches are needed on the bar that enters the steps. In general, for a woman who does not understand, this is a job well done.
Not the way I as taught, we used lead to hold the railing in the hole and lasts much longer that that cement he poured in and works against it rusting out again
can you recommend what i should be looking for at home depot instead of cement? i am doing this to mine, although it was easier for me to have a local welding shop weld leg extensions on.
Did a similar repair a few years back except I knew a welder who welded new legs on the railing for me. Worth doing because replacing the railings was going to cost a fortune but I still remember how brutal it was spending hours in the hot sun with a hammer drill getting the metal pieces out of the concrete and preparing the holes. Not sure if all concrete is created equal but for anyone doing this job, be prepared to work on that piece.
TOH is so gangsta. I could watch this all day
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Great job!i have the same issue in my old home! Thank you for showing how to fix it!.
The homeowner wanted it fixed so that's what he did...it will last a good long time, there's all ways more than one way to fix things
This Video is Great. a different method for those who don't weld.
Everyone is an expert in their own mind... Great repair, thanks.
This is not wrought iron. Wrought iron is an amazing material that is seldom seen these days. This is a cheap $100 railing made with tubular steel from Home Depot.
Right? Like I dont think all of this work and effort was worth saving it at all
Correct, it is not true wrought iron. It is steel fabricated in the style of traditional “wrought iron”. Good luck ordering custom fabricated rails like this for $100 though! I run a metal fab business and build lots of railings. This repair saved the home owner about $1200 in my estimation. If you don’t have the tools or skill to repair this with proper welding equipment, this method should work just fine! Not sure what kind of adhesive they used, but I’d probably use an epoxy.
I have an original wrought iron railing from 1951 i need to repair and paint
Great video, not sure that I would be satisfied with the rolled edges on the new legs vs the original squared edge. Other than that, great way to fix the issue. I wonder how he cleaned out the cemented in legs that he cut off.
@@jordancliff $1,200 you said in your estimation? Dam! ... remind me never to go to your shop
If he cut the railing off, why not have the shop weld new tubing on? Probably would have been cheaper than fabricating those hokey extensions.
Actually probably not.
He had those extensions "Made" i.e. probably an off the shelf part that might just be cut to length with a chop saw or band saw, where a company puts of thousands of them a day in different shapes and sizes.
Because this is a TV show that shows up just for the day the shoot on. The new legs would have been fabricated before they cut off the railing. And No, they are not “off the shelf” parts.
Could you get a whole new off-the-shelf hand rail for the price of custom-fabricated replacement parts which are not a perfect fit?
@@jordancliff
Yes, the stock IS "off-the-shelf". All that had to be done was cut them to length. The rest is in the video. Simple.
My only gripe is Tom said "masonary" bit. It's "masonry". There is no "a" after the "n".
That drives me nuts, along with hot water heater. You don't heat hot water. It's just a water heater.
@@mojoman2001 yes, but that's not what this show is about, the show is about getting consumers to overspend their money on housing industry.
As long as you can get the extensions for a reasonable price this will be fine. Some steel shops will try to soak you though.
What would be a reasonable price range from a steel shop?
We just switch to Trex Fibrex railing kits and recycle the scrap metal. Fresh new look.
This guy is a craftsman!
You would be better off taking the railing to the metal shop and have them weld the extensions on.
Tommy's trying to keep the costs down.
It doesnt need it.Maybe he hasnt got any welding gear.
animal79thecat The metal shop doesn't have welding gear??? That's like saying maybe McDonald's doesn't have a deep-fryer...
Porsche924Tim I meant maybe TOM didnt have welding gear.I get the impression he was doing the job "on site".
I have almost every cordless power tool going,but no welding gear.
animal79thecat Tom had to go to the metal shop to have the extensions made... just have them weld the extensions on for a more professional and secure railing.
I'm a bit confused at the rivet part. Why not a rivet nut? How does the rivet actually grab the inner iron pole? I'm attempting the same repair and I just don't understand how the rivet is supposed to lock both parts into place.
They rivet was to hold it while that black adhesive he used cured
90% of comments - people who have never repaired more than a nail hole in a wall complaining about the way he fixed it.
9% of comments - in defense of the repair method
1% of comments - no relevance to the video whatsoever
Great job really would have liked to see some welding but I'm sure this solution will hold just fine
Why not put the hydraulic cement into the hole (half way up) first then set the railings into it, that way all air pockets are eliminated? Personally I would have used a tube or two of PL premium instead of cement, that way the water is sealed out, as oppose to concrete which is porous. Agree with the other posters to have the metal shop simply weld on the extensions.
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Hydraulic cement is very brittle and not meant to hold any weight. It is, primarily, for filling gaps/leaks, and not for structure/load-bearing. It also wears away fairly easily in open-to-natural environments.
Because the cast iron stairs are hollow inside. If you push the railing in after the cement, then all the cement would fall to the ground.
This video is awesome. Can you please tell me where you got the railing legs
Thank you tommy
How I wish you would come to Richmond, VA.🤔🤔😢😢
This railing was rusting in few places and needed to be painted, why not paint at the same time when its out and easier to paint.
That was left to the homeowner after the film crew left.
At this point I hardly even focus on the videos. I just come to the comments for all the 13 year olds who have somehow been master masons for 34 years and decided they are railing jesus
Hahaha i know right. Hysterical, where is their tv show thats been on for almost 40 years, millions of dollars in revenue, youtube series, and world famous names that millions recognize?? Not to mention he’s a carpenter which is more of a jack of all trades master of none in other words he’s not a railing expert or metal worker but he can do everything. I’m a carpenter myself and wish I had his 35+ years experience, they don’t make modern craftsman as skilled or knowledgeable anymore that can look at any problem and fix it on the spot. (Maybe not perfectly correct, but it will be fixed guaranteed)
"railing Jesus" Umm, phrasing. Are we not doing phrasing anymore?
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Railing jesus? 😳
Thanks, a lot of us are much better qualified, being on TV doesnt make you a genius. Masonary bit? Masonary? Not even a word. Hes using aluminum rivets on steel. Google it Einstein, and see how long that will last.
Thank You ! Much Appreciated !
Nice job
I sure am glad he didn't have someone weld new feet onto rusty tubing. Solid bar inserts are much stronger than brittle tubing welds and the epoxy will help to reduce water contact rusting the tubing further from the inside. That repair will outlast the railing. But...I thought just using the tape to hold the railing straight was a little sketchy. 😮
How do you pop rivet into solid stock?
It just expands tight, it doesn't mushroom over. it will keep it from sliding out while that adhesive sets up.
I wanted to see you guys match the color smh. Great Video..
I would have welded new post ends on and then "smented" the railing back into place.
Which is probably a great solution, but most home owners doing DIY projects aren't going to bust out a welder. The show's producers are focused on the target demographic.
Why don't you just have the welding shop just weld on new feet
I love a handy man
Wow, I was amazed to see this crazy repair job. Any yuppie could have used a Harber Freight welder and put new square stock on the legs, ground flush and painted.
Agreed, this was like going around your a** to get to your elbow
I'm glad the video exists, though. We're running into a timing issue on our project where we don't have the time or resources to take on a welding project right now, but we can have someone do what is in the video instead...assuming we can find the hollow leg inserts.
You need a welder for that. I wouldn't buy one for a single use job,
This solution (a)avoided the need to acquire or rent a welder, (b)was thus probably less expensive since those parts he got were just off the shelf parts the shop cut to size for him, (c)the need to spend time learning how to weld, (d)the need to have an angle grinder available to clean the welds. In other words, this solution worked well and solved the problem, without the need to resort to welding.
Cheaper solution would have been to have solid extensions welded. Two different metals cause Galvanic corrosion at the hole even though its temporary for holding.
Why? The rivets are steel, and the rods were steel.
Got an idea for cracked brickwork on the Verandah columns
Can you let me know where you bought the steel leg extension? Because due to Covid we have a hard time finding the metal fabricator in our area. It would be nice if you could let me know where you purchased yours.
He's got that extension bottomed out in the hole and up a good distance up that's never going anywhere that was good how he founded up the cement for water they do make a bottom trim piece like an apron that sits on the bottom over the mounds caulk both edges w silicone that railing will be there another 50yrs
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Why doesn't Tom and Mark use a disposable pastry type bag for frosting to inject the cement in the holes?
Wow very detailed vid! New subscriber here
what’s the cost of replacing the rail and plates? having stuff fabricated and all this labor seems like it would outweigh the cost of just replacing the whole thing.
sir, we Indian not understand very much American English . so please always give subtitle and name of the item like iron name like glue you use . please give the cost of material also.
I would much rather have seen the extensions welded on. Just how hard and secure is this fix going to be over time and hot and cold?
But this would still leave it a little rough to touch right even after the paint. Is making it smoother all about sanding more?
Apologies if that's a dumb question
Normally I anchor a wider plate over the hole then cut off rotted post and re-weld new in
why wouldnt you use exterior epoxy better attchement
Old video, but I am still here to read all the comments from the UA-cam pros! Let me guess at some....JUST BUY NEW. SHOULD HAVE WELDED. HE USED GLUE? HE PUT TAPE ON THE HOUSE! A RIVET?
Interesting
Epoxy adhesive
Riveting, no pun intended.
Can’t you just weld the square piece and the rail together?
you can, if you're a welder
Look at all the know-it-alls who are criticizing the method but don’t offer any helpful information,
Welding would have been a much better (and cheaper) option here.
Does anyone know what type of bonding adhesive that is??? It's in the black tube
Do it the easy way to half sticks of dynamite board roughly a foot from the edges stand back light the fuse wait till it goes boom clean up the debris and start with a new one
Cool!
Where can I get the steel
Chances are a whole new railing wouldn’t have been much difference in price
I don't understand why you would have extension legs manufactured, instead of taking the railing to the fabrication and have him weld on new legs. would've been faster and better. ?
Wow, can you do my old house
I think the bill would be about the same to get new ones as it would be to go though all of that.
This railing repair video was extremely overwrought.
How would you make it wright?
How
How
Irony at its finest.
mind explaining this joke to me? my humor is a little rusty
hi where can I find those steel legs to fix the railing
said it literally right in the video
Don't want any gaps between the hole and the pole!
hahahhahaha
To extract the metal base from the cement he uses a masonry bit? I don't understand. So cutting into the cement underneath the metal base frees the metal base?
The American he used the drill to basically excavate the area around* the hole (and subsequently, area containing the rusted metal), to free everything up. Then you can just put your hand in the hole and pull out the rusted part (along with rock)
The American what’s confusing , but oh so genius, is he first set the bit inside the hole to *only gauge the depth of the rust metal bit under the slab. Point= no sense in demo-Ing *any deeper than he had to to get to the rusted metal
Sment?
I would have put the hydraulic cement in first before the handrail. Then came back and add more.
Tell em, “LARGE MARGE SENT YA’ …..💀😂💀😂
Its one way to do it everyone stop trying to figure out how to outsmart a genius I did a whole bunch of these I had to fix all the cement around the rotten metal it was all crumbling and broken off in huge chunks the adhesive he used is doing the work and the rivet is just holding it til it sets up
what if its the other parts of the gate that are rusted and damaged? guess you have to use a welder? right?
That's how I fixed mine, you can get flux core welders for around $100, it's paid for itself fixed a fancy bed frame, lawnmower, railing, mailbox.
You could have gotten the same railing to drill and pin in the concrete
You will have galvanic corrosion at the rivet site.
Why? The rivets are steel, and the railings are steel/iron.
Bond it and rebar works too 💪
Dont need to cut the rusted ends flush to the rail like he did?
2:53 her: did you pull out?
me:
Ok, but what if the metal raling goes all the way up and holds up an awning the width of the house... AKA huge
His accent is iconic.
Am I mistaken? The video title mentions wrought iron, but you consistently refer to it as steel. Aren't the two materials different?
Almost all of those railings are steel, that one most certainly is. Wrought iron would be a solid piece not a square tube. In the common lexicon, steel railings are called wrought iron railings to distinguish them from wood or other materials. For true wrought iron it would have to be a heritage home or someone shelled out big bucks for custom work from a blacksmith.
I'm completely in shock that he decided to fix it that way
Okay repair job. As long as it is strong and safe. Not as good as welding watching posts.
I think Mr. Rebar and his friend Epoxy could have teamed up on this one.
And I says to him, "Orville, elephants can't install stair railing - they don't have hands."
The extensions were fine and actually were a lot stronger than the original. I just wish he had brought the railing pieces with him and had them weld them on. Also fill the holes half way with the hydraulic cement and then top off and for Gods sake man, use some tape !
Bertha ripped it off as Tom drove away
this is one prime example of when he actually says 'SMENT'
aluminum rivets with iron... lol
+nookioool I think they make them in steel too, but if they are aluminum, I completely agree.
Aluminum doesn't rust like Iron so it's actually a good idea. The rivet isn't actually holding anything together it's just holding things in place until the adhesive cures.
Arrow rivets come in aluminum, steel and stainless steel. It's hare to tell what he actually used here.
The problem is galvanic corrosion. You never want dissimilar metals touching.
I do alot of welding that suppose to 1x1 solid bar
Next on This Old House - We show a homeowner how to fix a rattling railing.
Fine Presentation You have inspired me to work on my channel, thanks. 🐼
THE RIGHT WAY IS REMOVING THE RUSTED METAL AND WELD NEW METAL INTO PLACE.
thanks for letting us know.
What happens when the rivets start to rust?
they rust
They are aluminum
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Plot twist: that’s actually his wife lmfao
What was the caulk?. Non fab ppl crack me up.
You should have used telescoping stock instead of that round stock and glue bad choice
Bad job. Like the first master who made this, you forgot to make holes in the condensate drain pipe. Now the pipe will rot above the rod inserted into it. For normal fixation of the railing in concrete, notches are needed on the bar that enters the steps. In general, for a woman who does not understand, this is a job well done.
I guess was better solution weld the pieces togeder
Did he say "wrought iron", first, and then "steel". Looked like steel.
Not the way I as taught, we used lead to hold the railing in the hole and lasts much longer that that cement he poured in and works against it rusting out again
masonary (sic)
Should have epoxy resin fixed the posts, much easier and better job
can you recommend what i should be looking for at home depot instead of cement? i am doing this to mine, although it was easier for me to have a local welding shop weld leg extensions on.
We just need a welder to attach new metal.
My thoughts exactly. He probably didn't have one though
He’s a cahpentar not a wehdar
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Tommy does not likewelders