No, only towards the end of his tenure did he have to sell to buy. Rafa spent £18million on a crock - Aquilani. £18million! That to replace a player who has since proven irreplaceable, and a player we did not have to sell. Remember - Rafa bought: Antonio Nunez Josemi Gabriel Paletta Emiliano Insua Lucas Ryan Babel Albert Riera Seb Leto Andriy Voronin Pennant(!) to name but a few - these either did not/have not work(ed) out or are simply shite.
Wiseblood is a true red, supports his players irrespective and i respect that. The thing for me is i have been a lucas supporter for so long but eventually i just came to the reality that he is not quite the level we need. Yes, he can do his job but i dont think he would make opposition wary. it depends what LFC want to achieve, because he would not make spurs or city or arsenal, or any team we are fighting for champs league with.
@wiseblood7575 I do like Lucas' attitude. My issue is I have not seen enough attacking instinct in him to show me that he could make defense-splitting through balls or set up attackers. Even alonso for eg was defensive but would set up attacks for us in quick time as its his natural game, but lucas in over 100 games has not shown me any defense breaking play, which would have surely shown at some point throughout all these games, even if coming from deeper like alonso did. he's young though too.
@wiseblood7575 I am fully behind the team mate, just naturally cautious after our performances so far. I agree we just need to sort it out til december and get as high as we can, then take it from there. Depth is an issue, we need some signings.
he's happy to play for a great club like ours because he knows we should be way out of his league! an rocket yeh your right he's a nothing player, maybe in a slow paced league in spain or italy he mite get away with being an ok midfielder but the premiership needs men in midfield and he isnt one
@wiseblood7575 So far, I am impressed with his signings - meireles is fantastic, Cole onn free, Konchesky is good enough considering what the owners gave him to spend. Poulsen was terrible though. We can only see in january once he actually has money to spend, which he's not had so far.
@wiseblood7575 I do think lucas has one of the best attitudes in the whole team. But he def would not make any of the other top 6 teams. i did support him too for ages hoping he would prove me right, but my patience has wore thin like with babel. The truth is that the only people who rate him are some LFC fans, but noone outside of those LFC fans does. No top club would want him.
@wiseblood7575 I will support Roy as he does deserves to have his chance with his own players after january. but if he keeps playing Poulsen/Lucas in the middle we are going nowhere. if he does not learn from that, i will struggle to keep backing him if he is not willing to change those tactics. it will get us nowhere in the long run playing like that.
fergie says that it was rafa's fault..what did fergie knew about the things that were going on in our club.when roy left he said roy didnt ave the players and kenny made them play better and what does that say.i knw reporters r questioning about these.but fergie should shut up..and well done sky tom's p.r. interviewing him infront of the stadium design..and 300mil on players LIE of this century..b4 rafa the most we did in CL was quater-final (just once).during rafa's time 2fnls in 3 yrs.def
babel has played many times as a forward, an if you check out his ajax career he does play as a winger. lucas was bought as a 'box to box' midfielder, a central midfielder, where he has played infront of mashcerano many times, i dont understand what you are trying to get at mate, like if we play him a bit further forward on the pitch he is going to show all kinds of great abilities we have neva seen before??
@damodongo @wiseblood7575 The thing with lucas, is i dont think he is a specialist at anything. as attacking he cant shoot out the box, does not play tricky balls past defenders, no creativity. In defense he is not a proper out and out tackler either. So If we want a full on attacking mid, get one. If we want a proper DM, get one. he does either job pretty average, he's not gonna get us to top 4 i dont think.
Skirtel doesnt know his arse from his elbow anymore, carra's lost his reactions and cant time his tackles, johnson cant defend, he's a right winger not a rite back, jovanavic has no footballing brain, nor skill, joe cole looks lost, kuyt has the skill of a grandmother, torres is a stroppy twat, poulsen is a snail with no passing ability, neva noticed wen rodreguiz is on the pitch, babel is like having a bemused horse on the wing, but apart from that the team is fine.
@wiseblood7575 Yep, i agree we need to go with a more attacking lineup like yours, for sure. i believe the team for sunday is 4 2 3 1 - starting is: Reina, Johnson, Carragher, Skrtel, Konchesky, Lucas, Poulsen, Cole, Gerrard, meireles, Torres. meireles is on the right again! Unbelievable. he would make such a difference for us in the middle, he's the one who actually goes forwards! I get frustrated with Poulsen/Lucas as they never bring the ball out. hope we get the 3 points, no matter how :)
@diego750 Yes, I saw that lineup and I'm really disappointed :( We have seen it fail far too often since last year with Lucas/Masch and now Lucas/Poulsen, so i am naturally concerned. Also meireles had a cracking game in centre for portugal this week vs Iceland, I agree it makes no sense to put him wide. We seem to lack big time when Kuyt is out, nobody for the right side can fill in properly.
@diego750 Rafa's buys were very much either hit or miss at either extreme. To be fair, having players like Reina, Torres, Masch, Alonso, etc are miles ahead of what we had before he came. It really put us on the route to having a top team. Plus Agger, Kuyt, Benayoun,... But the shockers, however, were complete shockers, Lucas, Keane, Dossena, Pennant, babel... But Champs League final 2 times in 3 years! How many teams can do that now on the small budget he had?
@diego750... so.... he made a few mistakes and he made a few good signings .. its not like he was the reason these morons put the club in 300 Mill debt! I would have loved to see rafa still incharge.. atleast be rest assured.. we would not be 18th in table right now! and btw, he was not sacked... he had a six million payout clause if he was sacked... instead he walked away, the club could have never paid so much in these conditions and instead he made a very good leaving gesture to the fans.
@wiseblood7575 Rafa brought in Reina, Alonso, Mascherano, Torres, phenomenal players compared to our previous team. Yes he got some shockers too. You forget Rafa always had to sell to buy, so he could never add to his squad without selling key players first. Rafa's Total buys: 229m ; Total Sales 150m - that's 80m over 6 SEASONS (12.5m a season, very little for a top 4 club). How united have spent on players, eg anderson cost 18m, almost as much as LFC highest transfer EVER, torres.
@rajan904 do your homework, son. it was 18m spread over 4 payments, and those were not conditional on appearances. there's an extra 2m conditional on appearances. Josemi cost £2m, hardly peanuts. Morientes - £6.3m. Nunez £1.5m. 11.5m for Babel! £7m Dossena! Don't get me wrong, I'm still gutted Rafa left, but he should not be immortalised nor seen as the great wheeler-dealer some are painting him out to be.
@ diego750... do your homework kid... half the names you mentioned were either free transfers or peanuts paid for transfers... btw aqualani was not 18 million straight cash... it was only 4 million up front.. and rest depending on his apearences... and based on the fact that liverpool didnt make it to champions league round of 16 and entered europaleague... and the number of appearences he had for the club, i dont think we paid a penny more than 4 mill to roma for aquaman!
@wiseblood..... who actually wanted Keane at the club?? i dont think keane was rafa's first choice... i dont even think he wanted keane Period! Yes rafa made mistakes... but then he stuck to this mistakes... take lucas for example... or el zhar! the fact that he shipped keane out on the first oppurtunity in six months means that he as not wanted to begin with!!! i think it was parry et al who pushed that through.... which is disgusting to think how a manager cant have any control over transfers!
yeh, they bought man city for less than what liverpool was sold today! thats the reason they could invest so much in the team.... what billionaire would spend a billion to buy the club then spend half a billion on stadium and then another half on the team!!!!! I think Dicks here played alot of fifa, or was living in neverland..... i think he believes he can fly....i can almost see him getting up and jumping off the building .... i can atleast see myself pushing him off the building!!!
@damodongo thats true, i am fed up with patience with players. Like lucas scores 1 goal in 50 games and that saves him. Same like Babel, he plays shit for 5 months, then scores one goal and suddenly that makes him good in some fans eyes. We need consistency, every week. Not 1 goal here then he goes missing for the next 10 games.
I remember the sceamer lucas sccored for liverpool in the uefa cup about a month ago, great goal. then the cameras go to the crowd and you can see gerrard n co laughing their heads off like they couldn't believe he had scored a goal like that, and they train with him every day and know he's shit, thats why they found it so funny.
@RickySKing... i would not call it disgusting and cheap... but ya.. nothing out of ordinary... also not hicks has admitted that they spent 30 million on redesigning the stadium.. which to be frank was never their intention to build... they were always going to sell the club to the first guy who came up with a billion!
"People liked the design of the stadium" ...because they were told to like them, it was an example of the Emperor's new clothes. Public Relations teams and marketing people worked very hard in manipulating people and convincing them that the stadium is beautiful. IN FACT that stadium is a disgusting, cheap, mostly glas, modern eye-sore monstrocity.
Oh, "Organised Internet Terrorism campaigns." I AM AN INTERNET TERROSIST! I've been spreading the word about these businessmen for years! I've even created a website dedicated to those American owners. If anyone wants to know whatg it is send me a message.
i hope he gets back at RBS for what thay have done its not nice doin that to a man from the US thay like own england and if any1 says thay dont why the hell did we go to war with them (because thay own us and told us we had to go)
he's played with mascherano plenty of times in midfield and he's never produced jack shit, no passing ability at all, shooting, heading, nothing. are you sayin we should play him in the gerrard role? cmon mate wake up an smell ya fart
@diego750 I personally don't think Hodgson is attacking enough to win major trophies. he plays 2 very defensive midfielders in Lucas/Poulsen. That is our problem, we go against even smaller teams set up with 2 holding midfielders. It's far too negative.
@wiseblood7575 That's not the point. Every penny he spent wasn't his to spend. They ran the club badly and that is the main issue here. Rafa made a lot of mistakes, fact, but we were heading for the destruction with these two running the club
FAN-TASTIC at 3:44, H: "...the militant, organised internet terrorism campaigns" Scouse interviewer: "were they out there, do you feel?" H: "Yeah, I know they were." Felt like a little wink to the fans from the interviewer there :)
It gets to a point where you cant defend the indefencable. lucas is just plain shit. id rather have young jonjo shelvey in the team, he's got an eye for a good pass, vey young, wants to prove himself and he's english
but wiseblood, when has he ever shown natural attacking instinct? honestly, if it was natural, in over 100 caps for LFC he would have shown it.. i really do think he just does a middle-mans job, not specialist at anything.
I love the last sentence as a football fan. The only thing that's tragic on this case is that people like this get involved with the beautiful game you horrible dirty liar and yes Mr Hicks your always be remembered as one.
@rocket1006 Have you seen the team sheet for Sunday? We've got Meireles out on the right again with Lucas & Poulsen in the holding role! Against Everton? Christ on a bike.
I've just read this book. We were so close to becoming the next Leeds Utd!!
Q. Tom, you buy a business for £200 million and it's sold for £300 million. How do you manage to make a loss of £140 million?
oh it's tragic alright. smooth talking tom. shame no one is listening anymore.
No, only towards the end of his tenure did he have to sell to buy. Rafa spent £18million on a crock - Aquilani. £18million! That to replace a player who has since proven irreplaceable, and a player we did not have to sell.
Remember - Rafa bought:
Antonio Nunez
Josemi
Gabriel Paletta
Emiliano Insua
Lucas
Ryan Babel
Albert Riera
Seb Leto
Andriy Voronin
Pennant(!)
to name but a few - these either did not/have not work(ed) out or are simply shite.
Wiseblood is a true red, supports his players irrespective and i respect that. The thing for me is i have been a lucas supporter for so long but eventually i just came to the reality that he is not quite the level we need. Yes, he can do his job but i dont think he would make opposition wary. it depends what LFC want to achieve, because he would not make spurs or city or arsenal, or any team we are fighting for champs league with.
Is it just me or does he say "300 million dollars, 150 million dollars NETTO" in part 1, then "300 million pounds, 150 million pounds" here in part 2?
@wiseblood7575 I do like Lucas' attitude. My issue is I have not seen enough attacking instinct in him to show me that he could make defense-splitting through balls or set up attackers. Even alonso for eg was defensive but would set up attacks for us in quick time as its his natural game, but lucas in over 100 games has not shown me any defense breaking play, which would have surely shown at some point throughout all these games, even if coming from deeper like alonso did. he's young though too.
@wiseblood7575 true, true. we win on Sunday and the season really begins.
@wiseblood7575 I am fully behind the team mate, just naturally cautious after our performances so far. I agree we just need to sort it out til december and get as high as we can, then take it from there. Depth is an issue, we need some signings.
he's happy to play for a great club like ours because he knows we should be way out of his league! an rocket yeh your right he's a nothing player, maybe in a slow paced league in spain or italy he mite get away with being an ok midfielder but the premiership needs men in midfield and he isnt one
@wiseblood7575 So far, I am impressed with his signings - meireles is fantastic, Cole onn free, Konchesky is good enough considering what the owners gave him to spend. Poulsen was terrible though. We can only see in january once he actually has money to spend, which he's not had so far.
imo I just dont think lucas is LFC quality. he makes serious errors when the pressures on and does not ever like to pass forwards.
if you sue liverpool and we loose more money, you seriously think we will think any better of you?
@wiseblood7575 I do think lucas has one of the best attitudes in the whole team. But he def would not make any of the other top 6 teams. i did support him too for ages hoping he would prove me right, but my patience has wore thin like with babel. The truth is that the only people who rate him are some LFC fans, but noone outside of those LFC fans does. No top club would want him.
@blyrpp lol too true .
Corinthians, anyone?
@wiseblood7575 I will support Roy as he does deserves to have his chance with his own players after january. but if he keeps playing Poulsen/Lucas in the middle we are going nowhere. if he does not learn from that, i will struggle to keep backing him if he is not willing to change those tactics. it will get us nowhere in the long run playing like that.
fergie says that it was rafa's fault..what did fergie knew about the things that were going on in our club.when roy left he said roy didnt ave the players and kenny made them play better and what does that say.i knw reporters r questioning about these.but fergie should shut up..and well done sky tom's p.r. interviewing him infront of the stadium design..and 300mil on players LIE of this century..b4 rafa the most we did in CL was quater-final (just once).during rafa's time 2fnls in 3 yrs.def
Haha how can he claim they had a net spend on £150M? That's easy to check you know...
ACTUALLY TOM IT'S 27 MILLION POUND NET ON PLAYERS!!! FACT!!!
This guy is a born LIAR
babel has played many times as a forward, an if you check out his ajax career he does play as a winger. lucas was bought as a 'box to box' midfielder, a central midfielder, where he has played infront of mashcerano many times, i dont understand what you are trying to get at mate, like if we play him a bit further forward on the pitch he is going to show all kinds of great abilities we have neva seen before??
@damodongo @wiseblood7575 The thing with lucas, is i dont think he is a specialist at anything. as attacking he cant shoot out the box, does not play tricky balls past defenders, no creativity. In defense he is not a proper out and out tackler either. So If we want a full on attacking mid, get one. If we want a proper DM, get one. he does either job pretty average, he's not gonna get us to top 4 i dont think.
Skirtel doesnt know his arse from his elbow anymore, carra's lost his reactions and cant time his tackles, johnson cant defend, he's a right winger not a rite back, jovanavic has no footballing brain, nor skill, joe cole looks lost, kuyt has the skill of a grandmother, torres is a stroppy twat, poulsen is a snail with no passing ability, neva noticed wen rodreguiz is on the pitch, babel is like having a bemused horse on the wing, but apart from that the team is fine.
@wiseblood7575 Yep, i agree we need to go with a more attacking lineup like yours, for sure. i believe the team for sunday is 4 2 3 1 - starting is: Reina, Johnson, Carragher, Skrtel, Konchesky, Lucas, Poulsen, Cole, Gerrard, meireles, Torres. meireles is on the right again! Unbelievable. he would make such a difference for us in the middle, he's the one who actually goes forwards! I get frustrated with Poulsen/Lucas as they never bring the ball out. hope we get the 3 points, no matter how :)
@diego750 Yes, I saw that lineup and I'm really disappointed :( We have seen it fail far too often since last year with Lucas/Masch and now Lucas/Poulsen, so i am naturally concerned. Also meireles had a cracking game in centre for portugal this week vs Iceland, I agree it makes no sense to put him wide. We seem to lack big time when Kuyt is out, nobody for the right side can fill in properly.
@diego750 Rafa's buys were very much either hit or miss at either extreme. To be fair, having players like Reina, Torres, Masch, Alonso, etc are miles ahead of what we had before he came. It really put us on the route to having a top team. Plus Agger, Kuyt, Benayoun,... But the shockers, however, were complete shockers, Lucas, Keane, Dossena, Pennant, babel... But Champs League final 2 times in 3 years! How many teams can do that now on the small budget he had?
@diego750...
so.... he made a few mistakes and he made a few good signings ..
its not like he was the reason these morons put the club in 300 Mill debt!
I would have loved to see rafa still incharge.. atleast be rest assured.. we would not be 18th in table right now!
and btw, he was not sacked... he had a six million payout clause if he was sacked... instead he walked away, the club could have never paid so much in these conditions and instead he made a very good leaving gesture to the fans.
@wiseblood7575 Rafa brought in Reina, Alonso, Mascherano, Torres, phenomenal players compared to our previous team. Yes he got some shockers too. You forget Rafa always had to sell to buy, so he could never add to his squad without selling key players first. Rafa's Total buys: 229m ; Total Sales 150m - that's 80m over 6 SEASONS (12.5m a season, very little for a top 4 club). How united have spent on players, eg anderson cost 18m, almost as much as LFC highest transfer EVER, torres.
@rajan904 do your homework, son. it was 18m spread over 4 payments, and those were not conditional on appearances. there's an extra 2m conditional on appearances. Josemi cost £2m, hardly peanuts. Morientes - £6.3m. Nunez £1.5m. 11.5m for Babel! £7m Dossena!
Don't get me wrong, I'm still gutted Rafa left, but he should not be immortalised nor seen as the great wheeler-dealer some are painting him out to be.
@ diego750... do your homework kid... half the names you mentioned were either free transfers or peanuts paid for transfers...
btw aqualani was not 18 million straight cash... it was only 4 million up front.. and rest depending on his apearences... and based on the fact that liverpool didnt make it to champions league round of 16 and entered europaleague... and the number of appearences he had for the club, i dont think we paid a penny more than 4 mill to roma for aquaman!
@wiseblood..... who actually wanted Keane at the club?? i dont think keane was rafa's first choice... i dont even think he wanted keane Period!
Yes rafa made mistakes... but then he stuck to this mistakes... take lucas for example... or el zhar! the fact that he shipped keane out on the first oppurtunity in six months means that he as not wanted to begin with!!! i think it was parry et al who pushed that through.... which is disgusting to think how a manager cant have any control over transfers!
yeh, they bought man city for less than what liverpool was sold today!
thats the reason they could invest so much in the team....
what billionaire would spend a billion to buy the club then spend half a billion on stadium and then another half on the team!!!!!
I think Dicks here played alot of fifa, or was living in neverland..... i think he believes he can fly....i can almost see him getting up and jumping off the building ....
i can atleast see myself pushing him off the building!!!
@damodongo thats true, i am fed up with patience with players. Like lucas scores 1 goal in 50 games and that saves him. Same like Babel, he plays shit for 5 months, then scores one goal and suddenly that makes him good in some fans eyes. We need consistency, every week. Not 1 goal here then he goes missing for the next 10 games.
I remember the sceamer lucas sccored for liverpool in the uefa cup about a month ago, great goal. then the cameras go to the crowd and you can see gerrard n co laughing their heads off like they couldn't believe he had scored a goal like that, and they train with him every day and know he's shit, thats why they found it so funny.
@RickySKing...
i would not call it disgusting and cheap... but ya.. nothing out of ordinary...
also not hicks has admitted that they spent 30 million on redesigning the stadium.. which to be frank was never their intention to build... they were always going to sell the club to the first guy who came up with a billion!
"People liked the design of the stadium" ...because they were told to like them, it was an example of the Emperor's new clothes. Public Relations teams and marketing people worked very hard in manipulating people and convincing them that the stadium is beautiful.
IN FACT that stadium is a disgusting, cheap, mostly glas, modern eye-sore monstrocity.
Oh, "Organised Internet Terrorism campaigns."
I AM AN INTERNET TERROSIST! I've been spreading the word about these businessmen for years!
I've even created a website dedicated to those American owners. If anyone wants to know whatg it is send me a message.
i hope he gets back at RBS for what thay have done its not nice doin that to a man from the US thay like own england and if any1 says thay dont why the hell did we go to war with them (because thay own us and told us we had to go)
he's played with mascherano plenty of times in midfield and he's never produced jack shit, no passing ability at all, shooting, heading, nothing. are you sayin we should play him in the gerrard role? cmon mate wake up an smell ya fart
@diego750 I personally don't think Hodgson is attacking enough to win major trophies. he plays 2 very defensive midfielders in Lucas/Poulsen. That is our problem, we go against even smaller teams set up with 2 holding midfielders. It's far too negative.
@wiseblood7575
That's not the point. Every penny he spent wasn't his to spend. They ran the club badly and that is the main issue here. Rafa made a lot of mistakes, fact, but we were heading for the destruction with these two running the club
FAN-TASTIC at 3:44,
H: "...the militant, organised internet terrorism campaigns"
Scouse interviewer: "were they out there, do you feel?"
H: "Yeah, I know they were."
Felt like a little wink to the fans from the interviewer there :)
It gets to a point where you cant defend the indefencable. lucas is just plain shit. id rather have young jonjo shelvey in the team, he's got an eye for a good pass, vey young, wants to prove himself and he's english
but wiseblood, when has he ever shown natural attacking instinct? honestly, if it was natural, in over 100 caps for LFC he would have shown it.. i really do think he just does a middle-mans job, not specialist at anything.
I love the last sentence as a football fan. The only thing that's tragic on this case is that people like this get involved with the beautiful game you horrible dirty liar and yes Mr Hicks your always be remembered as one.
@rocket1006 Have you seen the team sheet for Sunday? We've got Meireles out on the right again with Lucas & Poulsen in the holding role! Against Everton? Christ on a bike.
@rajan904 well now at least we can look a bit more optimistically to the future. Question is - will Hodgson take us forward? Does he have it in him?
Tom, you buy a business for £200 million and it's sold for £300 million. How do you manage to make a loss of £140 million? Epic Swindle my arse!
Cant beleive theres people out there trying to argue the case for lucas, he's one of the worst midfielders ive ever seen at liverpool
Theres not many players at up to liverpool standard at the moment, maybe about 6. the rest couldnt even get a game for spurs
@spikez0071 yeah they did a real shit job at the Red Sox who were in a worse position both financially and game results.
The results don't lie, we've got too many players who are way way below liverpool standard and t needs sorting out soon as
na na na na na na na na yeahhhh yeahhhh yeahhhh goooooooooood byyyyyeee.
sorry wiseblood, i respect your opinion, your obviously a good supporter, but your wrong mate, i wish you wer right
Well respect for saying that mate but you really need to take off your red tinted glasses when it comes to lucas!
Every sports venture hes owned has turned on him as far as I know, I don't think thats a coincidence..
@rocket1006 hodgsons shocking tactically tho inee, an poulson isnt good enuff for tranmere
The new owners are going to be worse than George and hicks lol
tom hicks has got cancer, i for one, am really really happy.
Now let's get rid of Hodgson and buy a decent manager.
It only adds up if you don't know how to count.
Thubs up if you're an internet terrorst... ;)
Internet terrorism hahaha. New tee for me!
Total Spent on Players - £172,080,000
Total recouped on players - £144,900,000
Total Net Spend under Gillett and Hicks - £27,180,000
Feel so sorry for him....NOT
Just let go Hicks
gold
liar
@randomjrr1422
"swindled away from me in an epic swindle" is good...I also like "I can't get into the details..." ("because you'll know I'm lying...")
@wiseblood7575 Spot on mate. I agree we need players who will play for the shirt like them. Good luck for sunday, hope we can pull it off! YNWA
@damodongo Jonjo shelvey i believe is a great potential for us. he looks very comfortable at this level when he's played.
i would never want an investor like man citys , billionaires play toy , thanks mate im very happy with what john henrys done
@wiseblood7575 And I think you're absolutely spot on with Meireles/Gerrard in the centre. Thats a top class pairing.
yeh some of the passes he pulls of are beyond his years, he's got great vision. i reckon he's a star in the making
@damodongo man, i love all your comments :D
especially the one with the uefa cup goal by lucas!
*ROFL
I love the way he keeps pausing, as if to think "shit, I gotta make somethin up here"
'i know they were' hahahahahaaaahahhahahah
Viva Los Interneta terroristas!
COME ON YOU FUCKIN' REDMEN!
@myself.. spellcheck *now hicks has admitted
got it read brilliant book
ahhh poor old tommy boy my heart bleeds for you
hook
3:41 ;-)