NEW Necrons vs Tempestus Scions Warhammer 40k Battle Report Ep 53
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
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Luka plays the Vaughnkir Dynasty, an honourable Dynasty created by Ryker to go up against Josh and the Lambdan Lions in today's 2,000 point game.
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Josh's Army:
++ Battalion Detachment -3CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [62 PL, 8CP, 1,225pts] ++
+ Configuration [9CP] +
Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) [12CP]
Detachment CP [-3CP]
Regimental Doctrine: 133rd Lambdan Lions
+ HQ [6 PL, -1CP, 90pts] +
Tempestor Prime [3 PL, 45pts]: Chainsword, Frag & Krak grenades, Tempestus Command Rod [5pts]
Tempestor Prime [3 PL, -1CP, 45pts]: Chainsword, Frag & Krak grenades, Progeny of Conflict [-1CP], Tempestus Command Rod [5pts], WT (133rd Lambdan Lions): Keys to the Armoury
+ Troops [21 PL, 515pts] +
Militarum Tempestus Scions [3 PL, 70pts]
. 2x Scion [18pts]: 2x Frag & Krak grenades, 2x Hot-shot Lasgun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon [19pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma gun [10pts]
. Scion w/ Special Weapon [19pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma gun [10pts]
. Tempestor [14pts]: Chainsword, Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma pistol [5pts]
Militarum Tempestus Scions [3 PL, 70pts]
. 2x Scion [18pts]: 2x Frag & Krak grenades, 2x Hot-shot Lasgun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon [19pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma gun [10pts]
. Scion w/ Special Weapon [19pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma gun [10pts]
. Tempestor [14pts]: Chainsword, Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma pistol [5pts]
Militarum Tempestus Scions [5 PL, 125pts]
. 5x Scion [45pts]: 5x Frag & Krak grenades, 5x Hot-shot Lasgun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon [14pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Hot-shot Volley Gun [5pts]
. Scion w/ Special Weapon [14pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Hot-shot Volley Gun [5pts]
. Scion w/ Special Weapon [14pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Hot-shot Volley Gun [5pts]
. Scion w/ Special Weapon [14pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Hot-shot Volley Gun [5pts]
. Tempestor [24pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma pistol [5pts], Power fist [10pts]
Militarum Tempestus Scions [5 PL, 125pts]
. 5x Scion [45pts]: 5x Frag & Krak grenades, 5x Hot-shot Lasgun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon [14pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Hot-shot Volley Gun [5pts]
. Scion w/ Special Weapon [14pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Hot-shot Volley Gun [5pts]
. Scion w/ Special Weapon [14pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Hot-shot Volley Gun [5pts]
. Scion w/ Special Weapon [14pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Hot-shot Volley Gun [5pts]
. Tempestor [24pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma pistol [5pts], Power fist [10pts]
Militarum Tempestus Scions [5 PL, 125pts]
. 5x Scion [45pts]: 5x Frag & Krak grenades, 5x Hot-shot Lasgun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon [14pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Hot-shot Volley Gun [5pts]
. Scion w/ Special Weapon [14pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Hot-shot Volley Gun [5pts]
. Scion w/ Special Weapon [14pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Hot-shot Volley Gun [5pts]
. Scion w/ Special Weapon [14pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Hot-shot Volley Gun [5pts]
. Tempestor [24pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma pistol [5pts], Power fist [10pts]
+ Dedicated Transport [35 PL, 620pts] +
Taurox Prime [7 PL, 120pts]: Stat Damage (Taurox Prime), Taurox Gatling Cannon [20pts], Two Hot-shot Volley Guns [10pts]
Taurox Prime [7 PL, 120pts]: Stat Damage (Taurox Prime), Taurox Gatling Cannon [20pts], Two Hot-shot Volley Guns [10pts]
Taurox Prime [7 PL, 120pts]: Stat Damage (Taurox Prime), Taurox Gatling Cannon [20pts], Two Hot-shot Volley Guns [10pts]
Taurox Prime [7 PL, 130pts]: Stat Damage (Taurox Prime), Taurox Missile Launcher [30pts], Two Hot-shot Volley Guns [10pts]
Taurox Prime [7 PL, 130pts]: Stat Damage (Taurox Prime), Taurox Missile Launcher [30pts], Two Hot-shot Volley Guns [10pts]
++ Super-Heavy Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Imperial Knights) [39 PL, 775pts] ++
+ Configuration +
Detachment CP
Household Choice: Questor Imperialis
. House Mortan: Household Tradition: Close-Quarters Killers
+ Lord of War [39 PL, 775pts] +
Armiger Warglaives [8 PL, 155pts]
. Armiger Warglaive [8 PL, 155pts]: Heavy Stubber [5pts], Reaper Chain-Cleaver, Thermal Spear
Armiger Warglaives [8 PL, 155pts]
. Armiger Warglaive [8 PL, 155pts]: Heavy Stubber [5pts], Reaper Chain-Cleaver, Thermal Spear
Knight Errant [23 PL, 465pts]: Character (Knight Lance), Heavy Stubber [5pts], Heirloom: Judgement, Reaper Chainsword [30pts], Stormspear Rocket Pod [45pts], Thermal Cannon [75pts], Titanic Feet, Warlord, Warlord Trait: Ion Bulwark
++ Total: [101 PL, 8CP, 2,000pts] ++
Luka's Army
Vaughnkir Dynasty(Masters of the Martial, Interplanetary Invaders) - 1999 Point - Battalion Detachment
HQs
Overlord(Warcythe, Orb of Eternity(-1CP)) - 130 Points
Royal Warden - 75 Points
Technomancer(Control Node, Cryptothralls) - 130 Points
TROOPS
10x Immortals(Guass Blasters) - 170
10x Immortals(Guass Blasters) - 170
10x Immortals(Tesla Carbine) - 190
ELITES
Nightbringer - 350
Triarch Stalker(Heat Ray) - 140
HEAVY SUPPORT
Doomstalker - 140
Doomstalker - 140
Doomstalker - 140
Also 8 Lychguard
Cancelled my Vault because Necrons 🥱. Only to end up with Necrons on flipping YT. Such a spammy no mates list too.
@@otddetailing30 what, you just want endless Space Marines over and over again?
@@otddetailing30 Necrons are the new hotness, of course they're getting some love right now. You do you though bud.
A question for Josh!
Looking over the Necron and Space Marine codexes, we can see that design has lowered the power level of certain things, especially army traits, when compare dto their 8th ed versions. With teh Lamden Lions, I expect that blanket -1AP to be gone ane replaced with one of the following:
1) A unit gets -1Ap on the turn it disembarks from a transport.
2) Any to-hit rolls in the shooting phase of a natural 6 generate an additional -1 AP
3) Any attacks made in the shooting phase at half range or less get -1 AP.
Of those, which would you prefer, or would you stick them on the bench and choose another force after their huge bonus shrank?
Much obliged, and I look forward to more games from y'all!
Any Batrep that Luca does is just... enjoyable. His attitude and demeanor is great for casual story driven games that are compelling to watch.
He's also clear and consise with whats going on! I'd battle him every day if I was forced to.
Doom Stalkers always have 4+ BS no matter bracket and They are monsters
It was pretty painful when they cut the video to check their profile and still got it wrong
I thought some kind of errata came out and changed it when I saw them do that but guess just a mistake
does vehicle facing matter for weapons in 9th edition?
@@ssvishnov nope
@@notabot8107 typical MWG batrep🤣
Noo lukaaa , the doomstalker never downgrade their bs !!
That’s what I said..... it hurt so bad....
Right! I run 2 of them myself with the doom ark , behind a Cadillac command barge 😂
Forgot about ballistic for a minute and thought you were saying they were bullshit good or something
Regardless, "downgrade one's BS" will now be added to my lexicon
Tempestus Scions are cool and all but they will never replace the kasrkins in my heart.
I miss Kasrkin too :( I tend to use the models still and run them as scions
They'll never replace my Elysian Drop Troopers. *Glares at scions knock off airborne rules*
does vehicle facing matter for weapons in 9th edition?
@@ssvishnov not for a long time sadly, I miss the old facing rules for weapons and vehicle armour
@@glynrh8892 You might be in for a surprise.
There's a few things that I noticed you've gotten wrong about the doomstalkers:
1) their BS doesn't degrade
2) You don't have to pay for the immortals to fire overwatch to be able to fire OW with the doomstalkers
3) Your doomstalkers can fire overwatch again, even if the unit being charged is within engagement range of another enemy unit
The reasons that doomstalkers are just that good right here..
I am pretty sure u dont have to pay a CP for allowing the doomstalker(s) to shoot overwatch. AFAIK they can shoot ANY time without cost as long as they are in 6" range of the charged target and are not, of course, bound into combat.
Awesome Battlerep. I just love how Luka is never ever salty, its so fun to watch!
"can fire Overwatch at the charging unit as if it were also a target", I'd think you still need to declare Overwatch with the stratagem and pay the cp for it. The Doomstalkers just don't have to be a target of the charge.
You can’t pay 1 and over watch with 4 units. Doom stalkers, much like most tau, always get to over watch for free, if they or nearby friends get charged
If you read the entry for Overwatch it basically says, some units can fire overwatch using a special rule instead of the strat. If they have one they can fire.
@@tzeentchian Yeah, don't know why I typed it that way, since only one unit gets it via the strat. That said, the Doomstalker is quite a bit different than the Tau one from the FAQ. Tau specifically spell out that the Strat isn't involved and how they can overwatch. Doomstalker just acts "as if it were also the target of the charge", rather than just saying it can use Overwatch when charged.
@@vocenoctum2046 The Doomstalker rule says it can fire Overwatch at the charging target in addition to any other overwatch. No other overwatch is necessary to trigger it, but it doesn't stop it either. No strat needed. Otherwise it would say that they may use the overwatch strategic whatsit, when a friendly unit is charged. It also triggers when a friendly unit within 6" is charged, which includes itself, like almost all old aura effects.
To see scions charging is a lifetime event.
I am simple xenos hierophant. I see Necron battle report, I click Necron battle report.
ah, a man of necrodermis I see.
No need to pay cp to ignore the negatives for shooting at the knight. The knight has to many wounds "aircraft unit or a unit with
18 or more wounds"
Still trying to get use to Luka's "normal" hair color.
Holy crap I just started watching but this is a cool necron list!!
I don't often comment but I'm fairly certain that the Canoptek Doomstalker's brackets decrease its WS not its BS.
Luka is the MOST Canadian ever.
Josh: Do you like this?
Luka: No, but yes, but no, but I'm sure they had a very good reason so yes?
Thanks for the battle reports guys. Good distraction from crazy times.
"I hope this works"
Spoken like any guardsmen ever chosen to take the plasma gun
Luka made more 4++ than I can make 3+! Crazy, crazy!
So no one's going to mention how those awesome looking Scions look like the Kerberos Panzer Cops from Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade?
Thumps up for Tauroxes
Give those awesome Transport/Attack Vehicles some Love Guys!
This battle wouldve sounded like a Firework stand blowing up in the distance
This was a really good one with two amazing armies and a good narrative. Well done!
Those terrain cannons would be cool doomstalker "count as" units. 😅
I really love the battle map overlays and mission explanations you guys have started adding to the beginning. I think they're really cool.
As a little polish thing, though, I would probably reframe the photos so that you don't crop out the tops of terrain pieces when you display the terrain. Let them pop a bit. Likewise when adding the deployment overlays. It's probably really fiddly and not practically scalable, but it would be such a professional looking detail.
To clarify - I mean let the terrain "hang" off the side of the map view
Sadly, Doomstalkers are Monsters, not Vehicles. Doesn't matter for Bring It Down, but definitely matters for those dynasty abilities.
Monster or vehicle for bring it down
@@Tenshiheishi Yeah, hence me saying it doesn't matter for Bring It Down.
Ye pretty strange pick for dynasty
Nightbringer needs a new model. He is a little small for such a beast
Compare him to gaz and just laugh at the face they were released with new rules within a few months of eachother
The Nightbringer and Deceiver are both out of stock and over priced on ebay, but they are also both in need of a new model. So I'm torn, having neither. If they come out with new models, they may bump them up in detail and price to where I dont' want to spend, but the Deceiver is a bit too goofy to spend $50 on...
@@vocenoctum2046 if you would have start collecting Necrons 9m-1yr ago you could find all those models for 20$ a pop an 20 warriors for 20$ right before covid took full form
I suggest picking a cool army that isn't meta, I picked up 1850pts of custodians for 185$ at the start of covid. (Was gifted 2 new boxes of guardians as well)
My point is , start collecting a second army that isn't popular. It's usually easy
@@Makarislethal Yeah, I know I'm getting Necron's at the worst time, but I like the idea of the necrons. I don't like Chaos or Orcs, or Tyranids, and aeldari have a lot of swing in their model ranges. Tau I just don't know anything about, really. I don't want to buy books to see if I like them.
Either way though, Nightbringer is a decent looking model, but not an Imprisoned Star God, IMO. (like Void) and Deceiver isn't even a good looking model. :)
My second army would be Iron Ravens, but I do get what you mean, as a third army, strike when the prices are low and the meta is getting rid of X because Y is hot now.
*cries in Be'lakor*
HAVE to have Lychguard whenever a Warlord is present, I agree! They are the royal bodyguard. The Lord would be naked without them. Also means you can charge in praetorian style with the Lord at the centre, radiant with glorious elan!
Thanks for this video.
Overlord, Lord and Royal warden move: 6" ;-)
literally the most Canadian Necrons I've ever seen. But there is nothing wrong with that.
i am greatfull the lore luka put into all of this but half a hour in !
I love this Josh's army looks so cool :D
I really like the background music you guys are using in this video. Giving off some major Skyrim vibes.
i actually don't think the doom stalker is really that unfairly costed they could probably stand to be 10pts more expensive but if they aren't cheap enough compared to a doomsday ark then it becomes less easy to justify them.
Fun batrep guys! Thanks!
Love to see my Scions, but sadly, this is about what I expected
tbf running hot shot volley guns on the scion squads is just such a bad move compared to plasma.
I freaking LOVE Scions.
Man, that Doomstalker blowing up on Turn 2 was brutal!
I love the scions but man do GW need to release some more models (or at least units) for them. 3 kits for an entire army just isn't enough
I just started a army and added crusaders . They're trash but.... I didn't want just scions just mostly
seconded. is there any stuff in lore that could be forgeworlded or homebrewed?
I would love to see some of the old elysian atvs and some sentinels as fast attacks and some rapiers in the heavy slots as picks in a scion codex.
Ha try playing inquisition
You two are my favorites guys
That battlemap was ridiculously small, though. You may as well have just rolled 100 dice each and the one with the highest wins the battle. As someone who is used to historical skirmish games, I find the lack of space and movement to be a problem in 40k. Love the lore, figures and armies though!
The result of this match was a foregone conclusion before it even started, Guard is superweak this edition, Scions even more so and Knights are also a low-tier faction, meanwhile Necrons are enjoying that sweet new codex.
1:14:22 The Predator 1 reference killed me! hahaa
Let’s go Scions, favorite guys
Dynasty trait benefits vehicles, but the Doomstalkers are monsters and the stalker is a dynastic agent so doesn't benefit from the trait
And it doesn't degrade on balistic skill
Only dynastic agent, ctan, and things from auxiliary detatchments do not gain the benefit.
the necrons are cool it is cool too see soem good necrons i mean you know good
Sometimes reasonable dynasties must do unreasonable things
Hmm... 7:20am... teleworking. Yep, watching this.
Those are some nice lookin' Taurexes.
Thanks I painted them!! Josh chose such a cool scheme for them though I cant take all the credit :)
This is some a really awesome Necrons army, is there any chance we could get a lore video with a list of how he built his army?
Doomstalkers are king, plan on having 3 in a game soon too! Great batrep guys! 🙌
Dont forget the technomancer with canoptek control node :)
@@TL582j Oh it's in there, don't you worry!!! x
@@wannabewargamers1684 I'm imagining the cryptek with a playstation controller 'so I push x to blow this tank up...oh nice'
Few things about the doomstalkers. One they aren't vehicles so they don't benefit from Stellar Alignment Strat, Second their BS doesn't degrade, and third they can fire overwatch multiple times and the unit they are firing for doesn't need to fire overwatch themselves.
What an honorable dynasty!
4:00
I know why tesla is more expensive. The Silent King gives full re-rolls to hit in the shooting phase. Tesla gets a lot stronger when you can reroll all your dice that aren't 6s
32:40
Overlords move 6" now.
Now I really want to see the MONOLITH!
Don’t you ignore dense cover penalty if you’re within 3 inches of the terrain?
Love the dynasty narrative!
The BS3+ variant effectively costs 175 pts per stalker if you go all out and bring 3. Not like that technomancer is doing anything else other than babysiting your stationary artillery ;)
That price per model goes up to 190 if its just two stalkers and reaches a silly 235 if you only buy one.
Would really like to see necron warriors in ghost arcs list. Maybe Flayers and go Sautek with it?
Luka, Nightbringer can use 2 powers each turn, one is his unique Gaze of Death plus the one you can pick.
he knows that I think, it was more an issue of range I think.
22:40 That move O_O , shoot me plz !!!
Wow that Turn 1 luck was painful to watch
Did GW make a change to reanimation protocols?
The new book says "[after you succeed with enough dice to reanimate a single model] you then reduce the number of dice in that pool by a number equal to wounds characteristic of the reanimated model and repeat this process until either there are no more reassembling models, or the number of dice remaining in the pool is less than the wounds characteristic of any of the reassembling models"
This is like the 6th or 7th game I've seen that people haven't been reanimating right.
I like your dynasty, it's a lot like mine.
My mahn Luca, MTG ftw my dude
I love the paint scheme, narrative, hosts, especially the sportsmanship -everything! BUT, the music puts me to sleep every time!
So I am fairly sure Solar Pulse doesn't negate dense cover. Solar pulse specifies "The target does not receive the benefits of cover against that attack" but it looks to me like Dense Cover affects your model, not your opponents. Dense cover at no point uses the term "benefits of cover" like "light cover" and "heavy cover" do and the second paragraph says "Models do not suffer this penalty to their hit rolls when targetting models with more than 18 wounds or aircraft" indicating your model suffers the penalty, it doesn't say Aircraft and models with more than 18 wounds don't receive the benefits of dense terrain.
Under the rare rules section of the Core Rulebook it mentions ignoring Dense cover in addition to the Light/Heavy cover bonuses if the enemy unit being targeted "Does not receive the benefits of cover". If a rule says "Does not receive the benefits of cover to its saving throw" that's when it only ignores Light/Heavy cover.
@@lukapavicevic335 wow, I didn't even see that section. Thanks for clarifying. That sounds so powerful. Wait so Kastellan Robots with Phosphor ignore dense cover too? That's so scary
@@godlyslothman It is scary indeed. Thoughts like that keep me awake at night.
@@lukapavicevic335 Well I'll just have to use them soon to show that off
I clicked on the video not for the necrons. I clicked on the video because I knew WHO was playing the necrons
the nine lives of the cat with Luka...
His luck just doesn't die!
Luka is relic of time
Those dice rolls, ouch xD
I believe the reason for smaller boards is for ppl to play on ''normal'' kitchen tables
I like the Necron army, but I would drop the buckets, and turn the Warden into a Chronomancer. Then add another to the Lychguard to increase it's survivability. But i assume they didn't because the Chronomancer is not available to buy, yet.
I wish I had access to Chronomancers! Many lists to play.
Good stuff guys
I’m currently a big AoS player. However I originally started the Warhammer hobby with 40K. I started out with Eldar and then Astra Militarum. Then I started playing fantasy right before the end times and my army were the dwarfs (which I miss terribly as The fyreslayers nor overlords quite do it for me). With that being said, I am wanting to get back into 40K and am debating on starting either eldar or militarum tempestus. Any tips?
Stormtroopers vs robots its a lot like the clonewars
The nightbringer should have been able to attack right after the knight(heres to hoping they dont realize this later)
A good guy necron dynasty in this grim dark universe? I don t think so baby !!!!
ha luka is a MTG player that explains the Phyrexian symbol tattoo
Nightbringer against a shooty list lol
Really shitty right ? Even my friends know better
the bigger problem is that he didn't abuse that necrodermis rule and sweep right into that damn knight.
I can't believe Immortals are now consider a standard troop choice...... They should be considered elites.......
Important question Luka. To what Praetor do you owe your allegiance?
IMOTEKH
41:50 vehicles cant get cover. right?
Are those alternate scions? Feel kind of like they look a little different than normal... if they are could you tell me where you guys got them, been looking to get a alternate scions army
Give us the silent King!
im pretty sure you don't need to pay a CP to let the doomstalker overwatch for other units. they just get to if they are within 6
i completely get it may be out of range but never using the technomancers rites of reanimation is also kind of a waste, bring back them core models. Would work on at least 1 immortal at a time
“I have no save”
“17 damage”
Bro Necrons are balanced bro
did luka forget to fire with some of his imortals and royal warden in turn 1?
I also didn't see him raise one of the fallen immortals from the technomancer ability. He said he was within 6 at the start.
@@deathbyvx2956 doesn't that only work on warriors?
@@johnj.spurgin7037 Nope any core unit unless the Technomancer has a Phylacterine Hive then it's any model with Reanimation Protocols. However the effect of the resurrection is stronger on Warriors.
51:47 hes depressed. call in the scions and take him out
I just wanna see necrons lose a game
The last ten years weren't enough ?
@@justwannabehappy6735 don't be ridiculous, in seventh edition We are strong, not the best one, but We rock hard!
if only Josh replaced all tauroxes with Scions he would easily win. Josh you need way more plasma like plasma on top of plasma. And Tauroxes as fun they feel you should bring max 1-2 with Gatling.
Gatling are kinda trash now with so many units being T5 and having good armor or easy access to cover saves. I built mine with the battle cannons and auto cannons. Missles are to pricey. Thou I did. Magnitzie mine
@@Makarislethal no, Taurox is trash. Gatling in lambdan lions is perfect anti horde weapon. The only worth using weaon if you must use Taurox.
Can I ask a question? What was the reason to put so many shooting troops in transport? And don’t use their good guns from turn one?
Protect them if Necrons take first.
20:51 hahah lost my shit
Hooyah MTG
Superior Artisans Necron dynastic code bit rerolls a single *wound*, no hitrolls
Luka probably got Superior Artisans mixed up with Masters of the Martial, which DOES grant a single hit roll whenever a unit attacks. Easy enough to swap over.
Those 4++ saves tho
Somebody loves them doomstalkers...
I am on a war hammer binge right now
explosions!!!!
Im new to the game and im wanting to play necrons, the army in this video looks cool and id love to work up to it but do i need to use the dynasty that is used in the video or can i use a different one?
So, with Warhammer 40k the way you build a 'Dynasty' in this case is when building your army you can either pick one of the pre-set dynasties (Novokh, Nephrekh, Nihilakh, Sautekh, Mephrit, or Szarekhan) OR build your own Dynasty like in this game (more rules about what each ability does in the Necron codex). So you can pick whatever you'd like, or what feels most thematically appropriate!
Nice game! I hadn't been able to watch in a while since about midway through 8th edition.
Any thoughts on covering some Battletech, since the new Kickstarter is getting delivered? Even an intro-tech game with last year's Game of Armored Combat box would be cool.
Does the doom stalker being a monster and NOT a vehicle kindof negate the pont of the army? Shouls have been doomsday arks.
It negates the point of choosing „interplanetary invader“, but that dynastic trait did not come into play anyway as none of the vehicles was ever in melee. In regard of Doomsday arks: yes and no. Yes for the dynastic trait, but no for the crypteks control rode. Imo just take another dynastic trait, easiest change to fit.
Cant find anything in the codex, so is it correct that crypteks don´t give +1 to reanimation anymore?
Yes. The only thing giving +1 to RP is the reanimator.
@@EliasKnutsen aaaand it's really crap.
Mind, the relic reanimation orb does too.