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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- More game industry layoffs, including EA and Sony, Warner Bros. delisting Adult Swim games, Geoff Keighly's article discussed, and more!
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Bold of Pat to replace Ian with Jack Black and think we wouldn’t notice.
The biggest problem with Geoff Keighly was that, at one point, he was a decent journalist. The infamous bit where Don Mattrick, post-Xbox One reveal in 2013, said that "We have a product for those who can't go online, and it's Xbox 360" came about because Geoff was interviewing him, and Geoff instantly hit back by calling out Mattrick's dumb answer & left Mattrick stumped for a second about how to answer. Sure, one can argue that it was an easy response for Geoff to make, but the Geoff Keighly that we have today more or less would have simply agreed with everything Mattrick said, instead of calling out poor decisions. It's like he's been replaced with a pod people Geoff.
money is a helluva drug
Geoff is known as "Dorito Pope" since 2007
"Geoff used to be cool, remember when he nuked that guy's career from orbit?"
He was a decent journalist, but his reputation was ruined well before that Mattrick interview.
@@poposterous236Who cares? Donny is the reason the Xbox One got shit on by the PS4, and can also be looked at as why the PS5 is still winning 4 to 1. He is not the only reaosn, but he's the biggest reason.
Jeff Minter is an absolute legend here in the UK for us oldies that grew up with his madcap games. 😅
Managed to have a couple of beers with him after a retro event and he is also a gentleman and great to chat with.
He is, I'm glad Ian reminded me to buy this
Yak is Fam.
The AAA game industry seems largely out of touch with what the market wants.
the game industry has always been driven by trend chasing.
@@supermarxWell game Industry did chase for example FPS trend in early 2000’s but at the same time there was more variation than ever in games. There was sports games for like countles of different sports and so on but today there is like one football game every year and that is it. Then there is thousand MMO games which are 99.9% total garbage. Online service games will die but only after gaming studios have gone down. Big crash is coming but not only in gaming. It is global economic crash this time.
I have a feeling the switch 2 will do nothing new or innovative.
That’s why I ignore mostly AAA gaming and pay attention to indies mostly
The market seems out of touch with what the market wants
Sorry my friends. Batman has a line. That’s why he doesn’t kill people.
He hands the villains over to the cops in the hope that one day the system is not so corrupt that they walk out of Arkham asylum.
It appears Ian is slowly turning into a Yeti
Yeah! Its the Cupodcast! Rock n rollllll lets go! Everythings alright for a while, yeah!
Good for Ian to get that Jack Black beard in.
The 89 movie showed off Batman's intelligence...he was the one who figured out the chemical combinations in the hygiene products that the joker was poisoning the city with.
I don’t think it showed him doing any of that, so that was sort of weak. I even forget that that’s a plot point.
@@jimjo8541 Try watching the movie, he litteraly says 'Let's go shopping.' than he figures out what's in the products.
Great to see ya back boys!
Man please do pods more often. I can only rewatch the reruns like 3x before I question my own existence 😂
Lmaoooo the Tommy thing behind Ian caught me off guard.
The AAA games fail because they make bad decisions with the story or the scope. Suicide Squade failed because they thought people cared about those characters and they made story mistakes like killing Batman, which was probably a decision for "modern audiences". We don't need games that are 80 hours long. Rein it in and give us something smaller, with good core mechanics. If it is a hit, give us DLC down the road. Helldivers 2 gave me a reason to hook my PS5 up to my TV again. It does a lot well, no divisive messaging, just fun.
I believe the Coleco Telstar Arcade (1997) also included the cpu (MOS Technology MPS-7600-00x) in the cartridges. The base unit obviously provides the game controls, power, and video output. Quite an odd system released just after more standard systems (carts containing rom code run by cpu in the base system) had hit the market.
I like how someone that works on one of the games for Adult Swim told them that it's literally 3 clicks to preserve the game to steam and WB simply won't allow it to go anywhere but gone.
Warner Brothers standing in front of a burning house with a can of gas on the phone with their investors, "Don't worry guys, we're doing this to collect insurance" and no one seems to care
This is the B-plot of Watchmen that being a supervillain just doesn't work in real life because prisons irl are actually pretty good at not letting people escape and most of them just got shot or beaten up anyway. It also deconstructs how useful someone like Batman actually would be in comparison to just having a fully-equipped police force.
I just looked up a picture of Jeff Minter. He looks like he could be Ian's older cousin.
Regarding Pat's movie tangent, those sorts of things are still likely being created, they're just getting developed for streaming as either films or series.
Games only crashed in the US market in 1983-84, the European and Japanese market was relatively healthy.
AAA space might "crash", but video game industry can survive a few AAA studios releasing shit games and "crashing"!
Well to be fair Europeans were gaming on computers through out the 80s. Consoles really didn’t become a thing until the late 80s early 90s. We really didn’t have a console crash, because we weren’t playing with them really to start with.
Japan had its console revolution while America was crashing 😅
I would buy your N64 book, but I never learned how to read, only to write.
Dark Knight Rises isn’t as good as The Batman or Dark Knight but IMO it’s much better than people give it credit for. A good wrap up on Nolan’s trilogy
I really want the NES book you guys made but it's not in your store and i can't find it anywhere!??
An updated version coming soon?
I believe Pat said the run is out of print and rather than do another one he plans to do an updated version.
Flogging a dead horse comes to mind about Disney star wars
The height of absurdity with Snyder, who essentially claimed Batman was on the verge of irrelevancy until he boldly came in and made him a murdering machine for a movie, is that the Nolan trilogy (where Batman at least demonstrated some degree of restraint towards killing) was easily one of the most successful movie trilogies of all time, comic book or otherwise. It takes some degree of self-delusion to suggest sans his dramatic killing turn Batman was some over-the-hill incurably boring character.
The biggest reason they're failing is the same as Hollywood big budget movies failing. Budgets have gotten ridiculously high and they need to sell a billion copies just to break even. Why would a game over $100 million to make??? It's not sustainable.
I'm really glad you're enjoying the Minter collection, Ian, because as a lifetime fan of Jeff's work, I personally found the collection pretty insulting to the guy. All of the Atari ST games included in the pack (some of his best work) are hideous stripped down Jaguar ports, with low quality audio, missing content (Llamatron for instance, is missing about 80% of the voice samples that made the game what it was) and oddly censored graphics in some places. I'll admit the other stuff is ported well, but considering how even the timeline highlights the importance of his ST work, it's really frustrating to see absolutely no care or thought into bringing the correct versions of those titles to the collection.
I get it, a lot of people aren't going to care because they're oblivious to how the games were in the first place, but it's a damn shame they have to see this stuff in a reduced quality. Even more annoying is how the Atari 50 almost skipped over it entirely, relegating it to a footnote smashed in between the 8 bit family systems.
It's not like it's difficult to emulate the ST either, plenty of fantastic open source emulation options exist, and the MiSTer was even developed AS an Atari ST FPGA machine in the first place.
The PERFECT time is right before we switch over to daylight savings. It was daylight at 7 am, and didn’t get dark until 7 pm.
Now it’s all screwed up again. It’s dark until 8 am and the sun doesn’t go down until after 8 pm.
We had it good for a few days before the change over.
People don't want live service games but when a good one comes out that everyone can't stop playing... it's called Helldivers 2.
I love the poster of Tommy Tallarico staring menacingly at the back of Ian's head, reminds me of that guy from Konami's 2010 E3 presentation lol!
There is an awards show for games that isn't the Game Awards. Sadly the industry has done as little as possible to fund it or draw atttention to it to either us game developers or the general gaming public.
The Coleco Telstar Arcade also had most/all of its processing in the cartridges, if I’m remembering correctly. The triangular monstrosity was mostly just the different controllers, speaker and the RF modulator
Heard Jeff Minter, Digital Eclipse, hit pause, pulled up Steam and purchased. Llamatron with twin sticks? Shut up and take my money.
Love when I see the lay offs
just aw pics of Tommy's "crib." After seeing the spider man/star wars room, something must have happened to him because his brain stopped developing at about 12 years old. Guaranteed
I think all these underperforming games and layoffs are really just the results of high end multimillion dollar produced games being too expensive and too ambitious. It’s simply not worth the risk to put so much financial resources into a game that isn’t guaranteed to meet sales expectations. I think developers need to refocus their efforts on gameplay and gameplay mechanics instead of giant open worlds with realistic visuals and $200 million budgets.
I don't even think the games are too ambitious, indie games are often more ambitious than triple a, bigger sure, but as you know bigger does not mean better experience. Too expensive for sure, and not only that, the game enjoyment is getting reduced to push in ways to generate revenue.
Hopefully more Indy studios will pop-up when these garbage AAA companies fire everybody.
You guys need to hit the gym.
Lol. Just saw your comment.
I truly have no dog in this race but batman I watch the full interview and he was saying not batman K*lling random people but forcing batman in the a situation where he has little to no choice. as someone that seen a few movies etc i was l thinking that sounds like it might bring life to the story
Advertised for a book that's out of stock
Pat obviously doesnt know the history of Batman. Batman used to be DCs punisher. He shot people ffs. Now does that work today? I dont know but seeing how DC think the darker the movie is the better it is, its weird he such a saint but not. Sigh...
The suicide squad game was not a bad idea, the execution of the game and the things they’re pushing is why it failed. If they made a game as good as the Batman game, then people would be interested and want to play it. But instead they decided to get sweet baby involved so they can check boxes and push a narrative. That’s exactly why they took Batman out the way they did. All they had to do was make a good story and have good combat and it would have worked. The IP is not the problem here.
There's one thing we want to hear about since we don't get these guys much. And we're gonna ignore it? That's a pass for me then.
Jesus these two aged badly. Proper basement dwellers.
Thanks Pat. I'm the one that said video game crash on your last video. And "you" just said to me in one sentence. The best explanation of how i was looking at it wrong. And got me to understand when the last 20 plus people i talked to couldnt. This is why i watch this podcast.
new book looks really good man
The videogame awards have been sh!t since the year Fallout 4 walked away with every award imaginable. Several games should have won, but Bethesda BOUGHT their way to the top that year. Fallout 4 is "GOOD", not "GREAT" and this is coming from someone (me) who LOVES Fallout 4 VR!
So, according to Snyder, we shouldn’t have “superheroes,” but flat out vigilantes. He wants the comic books he doesn’t read to star the psychos who attempted to overthrow the elected government four years ago.
How do you make a movie about “the Watchmen,” and somehow NOT picking up the point?
And Pat, REWATCH “the Batman.” Cuz Batman ISN’T the detective in it either. Alfred solves the Riddler’s puzzles. Batman just sulks around.
Snyder was referencing that scene in Dark Knight Returns as an example of a no win situation that heros with strict rules can be put in. He wasn't using it as an argument as to why its no big deal for Batman to kill people. He wasn't making an argument that Batman has always killed people. He was saying that these characters are modern myths, like Greek God's, and that it's interesting to see them moraly challenged and put in no win situations. He was referencing the Dark Knight Returns scene as an example. Pat was complaining about Snyder not knowing what he was referencing, but he was completely ignorant to any of the statements Snyder made and therefore had no idea what he was referencing.
Cool Lower Decks shirt, Ian. :)
Ian has really turned into a crumudgeon. Gonna cancel my patreon.
Totally agree and I’m canceling mine as well, it’s the only way they’ll take the criticism honestly tbh
I don't think Pat depends on the podcast much anymore I think his income is coming from thr book sales
I’m kinda in my own video game crash scenario. Everything keeps coming out broken and there is tons of crap games out there I’m kinda burned out on everything new. For about the last year i just been replaying stuff i already played and know I’m going to like
I'm a huge fan of action, adventure RPGs, JRPGs. What are the best retro games that have stacked story lines and offer action RPG JRPG elements?
Inflation is crushing everything.
It's because billionares hoarding money, this is how Capitalism works.
They got fat
Microsoft with the recent IP splurging fires tons of employees to get ready for AI game development/engineering. I'm just guessing here at this point.
Oh hey, Jeremy Parish has completed a full series on on the first Cassette Vision just recently.
Not a crash
Wow Ian, Tommy really has eyes on you.
Ian the grey. ❤
Jack Black
Robocop, Sea of Stars, HiFi Rush, more games like that.
Can gladly say this podcast snippet is the only thing I've ever watched with Geoff Keighley.
Even as a kid with no life, I had better things to do than to watch that souless homunculus dead pan stare into the teleprompter to read his next ad segway.
What happened to Ian he’s like a homeless guy now
Games, for me, need to be enjoyable. Graphics isnt the third seat in the vehicle. I rate something by Enjoyability, story, music, replayability, and graphics are the last in there because I am fine with lesser graphics in favor of the other things.
You wonder what the economics are of the A and AA game studios? Do they just get absorbed up into Embracer groups and shat out like so much refuse?
Leave the good games to fromsoftware.
Although I am not sure if they look after their employees. I hope they do.
tech companies have grown massive in size and are full of completely useless jobs. that is all that is happening, as they scale back they remove the layers of management and other pointless jobs. games used to be made by these lean groups with one focus.
you guys spelled his name wrong... its Keighley
Cool, he still sucks
Haven't seen you guys in a while. Yall look like crap!!!😂
Been eating.
I don’t know if he really should be talking about the layoffs. Maybe acknowledging it at most. Layoffs sucks especially since I have been apart of one . I don’t think companies really care if he talks about it but I think he jut wants his channel to be more upbeat
LMAO, EA refused to have a PINK Darth Vader skin, they tripple down on it and blamed everyone else but them.... that was about 7 year ago! That's how BAD EA was on an exclusive deal, they couldn't do a Pink character skin, a color wheel where the fans can go NUTS on Lightsaber colors, they are so deep on an exclusive deal they have to have over 5 departments green light a color darth vader, a character who's OVER 47 YEARS OLD! And they have to have an execuitive say, "Nah." on it, and you think they could make ONE GAME in over 7 years?
under license from disney/lucasfilm, lucasarts in the day allowed pink skins and lightsabers
@@joshallen128 OF COURSE IT'S ALLOWED, Like giving Sam and Max cameos in Jedi Knight. EA ran such a horrible exclusivity deal, where they had so many cooks in the kitchen, they wasted everyone's time by re-recording sound effects that are over 45 years old just because they wanted to burn the money out in front of the world to see. There's probably Mo Cap with Forest Whitaker just built for a game we may never see, and it's a good chance it's because they wasted it on tech no one knew if it could work.
The reality is the Star Wars license is so dumb, anyone can slap it onto candy, under wears, ovens, and even disco songs..... AND THAT'S OKAY! EA found a new way to just burn money, and then triple down on bad ideas for over 11 years! EA has had the liecense for over 11 years and they barely made 4 games out of it and that's because EA is just bunch of middle management and marketing team nightmare from Animaniacs.
The reason we are headed for a video game crash is because of console game exclusivity fading away, this has nothing to do with interest in games or not
We love big events like E3, even when they're shitty, because of the fun parts--like getting a reveal of a big new game or movie, especially one that hasn't already been leaked. And the stupid memey parts like when a certain publisher really *"nails it"* 😉, or when a random French dude walks onstage and derails someone's big acceptance speech. 😄
Big ups to pat and Ian
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Lol 😂
bout fricken time, lay off the entire industry let them starve and rehire in 5 years from scratch, fin bums havent made a good game in over a decade yet think they deserve more and more money, im fine with playing only existing games for the next 5 years
Sadly it may get worse. There are freshman college students who have no idea how to navigate a computers file structure. A 5 year gap would just lead to worse games IMO.
@@BDBD16 i dont care though, thats a good thing, the game will be so bad they wonnt even be able to pass them off as good in a trailer, and thats what i want to see, people stop preordering this trash
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Wow Eins health is really taking a dive....
I disagree about Geoff Keighly both being a spokesperson for gaming and needing to acknowledge industry layoffs. I've been catching the VGAs since they were on Spike (and now watch along with streamers) and always thought it was a contrived, phony excuse to show exclusive commercials, however that doesn't mean it's not necessary. I think Geoff's ultimate noble goal was to break down the exclusivity of the E3 experience and deliver it to the masses who could never go to an E3 but wanted to (myself included since 1996). He saw a hole that some people wanted filled, so he took the lead and made it happen and the result of that is that he gets the benefit of rubbing elbows with celebrities and getting to call the shots. I don't think he set out to do that at all, I think his standing in the industry and public image today is a by-product of his efforts to keep the public's involvement in the industry alive. That said, I don't think it's his responsibility at all to bring attention to industry problems for two major reasons. First, that's not what his show is about. It's about celebrating people's favorite games of the year (from an admittedly narrow selection) and getting exclusive information about upcoming projects in the industry. The gaming public is not OSHA, the Better Business Bureau or the ACLU, and neither is Geoff. His job is putting together an award show that gamers want to watch every year and then making sure it gets done, the end. I don't think he CAN offer even a tiny little one sentence word of condolence for the laid-off workers because it seriously jeopardizes his whole magnum opus. Imagine a Harvey Weinstein type at EA who hears that one little remark and decides Geoff's pet project isn't the venue for them. I think by saying he should acknowledge the layoffs in his own show is asking him to commit career suicide. That's like asking him to pull a Collin Kapernick, and we all see how well that's gone. If Kappernick sticks to his guns he'll never play in the NFL again, and that really only hurts him. But if Geoff gives a word of protest against the industry that makes his show worth watching then he risks losing the jobs of all the people who work for him! So what's he suppose to do? Fight for the 5% of faceless people deemed unnecessary to the project, or fight for the company of people he assembled and works with every day? The man's not a hero, and I don't think he should be expected to be one. Now if YOU want to make a video game awards show that only shows off indie games and stops periodically to admonish the big players in the game, then that's the perfect place for game industry lay-off protests. But as it stands I think asking Geoff to protest industry injustice is like asking the lifeguard to shit in the pool to help prevent drownings.
Think of Batman pooping snakes....
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they don't want to make star wars games because disney biffed it with their terrible trilogy. modern star wars is sloppy mid garbage and everyone knows that is gospel EXCEPT kathleen kennedy
Woke games don't sell. Easy.
Covid times are ovef
Warhammer 40k bolt gun, great fps using the Warhammer license, unique art style and all around great and it's 20 bucks.
Dang I haven't watched these two forever. I mean no disrespect but dang dude Ian aged hardcore and got bigger. What happened man!! Get healthy
He looks terrible.
There isn't a "late-stage capitalism"; it's called tightening/recession. The gaming "space" is too convoluted now and needs correction. It's not a good or bad thing but just the cycle.
no the issue was during covid companies saw a huge increase in sales so they hired a ton of new developers (espeicaly since they would work from home so no need to buy office space) to pump out products. Now that people are able to go out and live their life they stopped buying as many games so now companies are firing all the people they fired so they could have short term gains.
I mean triple and "quad" a companies are putting out shitty games. Thats also part of this equation. They happen to have the most employees. Also more people are playing than ever so the money is there they just suck.
There definitely is but it isn't relevant here
Found the libertarian.
@@Progger11 ur a librarian