if you tried to lock the average kpop stan out of a concert there’s a 50/50 chance that there’d be a wikipedia page written about what happened next, can you imagine trying to do that to one who’s literally a walking EMP? infinitely safer to just let her in and not put up a fight.
As a Kiriko main I know she's not the most interesting character, but I'm still curious as to how she ends up joining up with post-recall Overwatch. I'm glad the writers have let her start making mistakes too.
@@RaidenKunii From what I know, Kiriko is both leading the Yokai and she is also an Overwatch agent (As suggested by her voiceline: "Look mom, I'm an Overwatch agent now").
@@alexandredesouza3692I think that’s the reason why the story just drops because the comics all but disappeared and we would get the quick 2D animations more and barely any cinematics and if we do it would do nothing with the story
I would love if loverwatch was a bit bigger next year, and it was between bap, mauga and LW, who gets the stunning man with an immortalty feild? Maybe we'll never know.
tricky topic when you realise 'Overwatch' as a whole exists because these are exciplicitly 'heroes', overwatch isnt a universe, its a story narrative, characters help to expand on the universe but doesnt stray from why its called Ovewatch to begin with
A good comparison I reckon to the non-canon character development we see in OW (and similar IP) would be filler arcs in a lot of tv series. In bits of filler in a given show, the characters may not be advancing their primary plotlines much at all, and what they're doing may never be referenced later, but they're expressing themselves in scenarios they otherwise would never encounter on the rails of the main story. Whether it's holodeck episodes of Star Trek or damn hot springs episodes in oh-so-many anime, the writers get to explorer facets of characters' personalities and their relationships with each other that otherwise would never be touched upon. We'd never glimpse Mercy and Genji's awkward dating lives outside of Loverwatch, or see the ladies having time off to see a concert outside of the LE SERREFIM collab, or see Kiriko's closet-cosplay of Tatsumaki getting out performed by Doomfist's $2,000 custom-tailored One Punch Man suit if not for *that* collab.
While I absolutely wanted more story in the OW universe, I also incidentally do not like linear stories with their overwhelming focus on a central conflict; as they risk causing a feeling of narrative claustrophobia. While a central conflict gives for an easy entry-point as for why a story's audience should care, it also acts as a point of pain if it isn't succinct and to the point. To that end, I feel that one of OW's greatest strengths was it's capacity to be an anthology, with the "central conflict" being an active force in the background; i.e. how OW (the organization) it's downfall and rebirth affect various people across the globe for better or worse. As an active force within the world, OW doesn't even need to be a direct player in each character's lives, because it's presence shapes global perception in a way that inspires feelings, behaviors, and actions.
I think it could be an interesting anthology story for sure, but the problem is that it also doesn’t really explore any of the other story elements enough to justify calling it one. Linear narratives that focus on a central conflict aren’t inherently bad - they’re the overwhelming majority of narratives out there - and that’s the structure Overwatch has taken so far, so that’s the framework it kinda has to be critiqued within.
I actually wanna do a whole video specifically about why the ages and birthdays were a really stupid idea someday ngl, it was a bad decision and I think it'll long-term just make people frustrated.
@TheViveros ya like for lol they to my knowledge never tell the ages of legends. Because if you don't do specific ages from the start and keep on top of them you will brake canon super easily
I also thought this was going to be the approach for OW2's story from now on, let's focus on the characters and connect them with each other and the world; but seeing Illiari and her entire lore, I'm not sure they abandoned their old habits completely 🤣🤣🤣 It's overall an improvement though, so I'll take it. Can't wait for BlizzCon, I'm hoping they have some lore related announcement🤞
I think this is where the problem in their story writing lies, if the writers didn't force this whole "growing up together as kids" stuff, the age gap wouldn't mean anything and her canon age (21 as it is right now) would be perfectly fine.
The new kpop non canon stuff is cool, but im scared they'll fall into league of legends trap, of just exploring the same parts of the character again and again and failing to actually develop or change the characters
Didn't think this video was going to be about character writing based on the title of the video, but it was pleasant watching it anyway. Might watch few of your other video and maybe even sub. It's nice to take a break from balance talk about these heroes.
I really want some more story with basically anything in junkertown especially since you'd think they'd do anything about how junkrat and roadhog have high bounties or junkrat knowing of a (possibly real) treasure that could be something talon or overwatch wants
Love the video and all - Completely agree about character driven stories and I think they are probably the best way to do narrative in hero shooters - but man seeing you play widow on 100 ping is painful. You have my condolences
I'll take this opportunity to hate on how they're killing the gency ship to focus on pharmercy. It feels so forced. Genji and Mercy have history together, and good chemistry. Plus they've been teasing that for so long. It feels like they're only doing it because of Pharah and Mercy in-game synergy.
For some reason I got unsubscribed, but I’m glad to have found your videos again on my feed. Imma binge the rest of the vids I missed after this one ^^
A video I can watch fully before finishing a meal. Wild. Anyways uhhhh yeah they are getting better at character usage, but there's still some bad outliers; like Hanzo. Not too late to step it up, but hurry hurry blizz.
The haters said I couldn't do it, I had to prove them wrong Also yeah I'm tempted to make a whole separate video about the weird outliers of the Overwatch roster. A huge percentage of the characters seem like they're fully in the wrong game lmao
@@TheViverosI wouldn’t say any characters feel like they’re in the wrong universe, but they feel like they’re in the wrong story, even Illari feels like an overwatch character, she just doesn’t feel like a part of the story, however, the new voice lines have hinted that she may be affiliated with Talon, or at least Sombra, which means maybe she will be part of the narrative
Great vid and looking forward to seeing more! I love Overwatch as a whole and the cast definitely carries it! (Hoping there's a side series like Arcane eventually!) One bit of feedback though: can you slow down? Not unnaturally, just a little. I get it, you want to make the vids quick but this is YT not tiktok so no need to get all the content out in one breath! Looking forward to more!
At first I thought this video was about how not to use specific character and how to use specific character. For example dont use brigitte as a frontline support and think you will tank everything, instead use her as a support that is a bit more on the backline and only get close at the right time. But this is fine too.
Remember when the funny British girl was basically the “ main character “ what happened
imagine letting in the world’s most dangerous cyber terrorist on your concert
if you tried to lock the average kpop stan out of a concert there’s a 50/50 chance that there’d be a wikipedia page written about what happened next, can you imagine trying to do that to one who’s literally a walking EMP? infinitely safer to just let her in and not put up a fight.
@@TheViveros LMAOOO
As a Kiriko main I know she's not the most interesting character, but I'm still curious as to how she ends up joining up with post-recall Overwatch. I'm glad the writers have let her start making mistakes too.
I thought she was in her vigilante group Yokai and not the actual Overwatch team?
@@RaidenKunii From what I know, Kiriko is both leading the Yokai and she is also an Overwatch agent (As suggested by her voiceline: "Look mom, I'm an Overwatch agent now").
@@QuickS4nd That line is meant to be a joke, she only says it when her four other teammates are all Overwatch agents
I can write a whole thesis about how much more life OW2 gave to the characters compared to OW1 and I am so happy about it
@@alexandredesouza3692 I think they need to come out with more but the shorts and comics that have come out during overwatch 2 have been good
@@alexandredesouza3692I think that’s the reason why the story just drops because the comics all but disappeared and we would get the quick 2D animations more and barely any cinematics and if we do it would do nothing with the story
I would love if loverwatch was a bit bigger next year, and it was between bap, mauga and LW, who gets the stunning man with an immortalty feild? Maybe we'll never know.
Secret ending is the throuple ending
tricky topic when you realise 'Overwatch' as a whole exists because these are exciplicitly 'heroes', overwatch isnt a universe, its a story narrative, characters help to expand on the universe but doesnt stray from why its called Ovewatch to begin with
A good comparison I reckon to the non-canon character development we see in OW (and similar IP) would be filler arcs in a lot of tv series. In bits of filler in a given show, the characters may not be advancing their primary plotlines much at all, and what they're doing may never be referenced later, but they're expressing themselves in scenarios they otherwise would never encounter on the rails of the main story. Whether it's holodeck episodes of Star Trek or damn hot springs episodes in oh-so-many anime, the writers get to explorer facets of characters' personalities and their relationships with each other that otherwise would never be touched upon. We'd never glimpse Mercy and Genji's awkward dating lives outside of Loverwatch, or see the ladies having time off to see a concert outside of the LE SERREFIM collab, or see Kiriko's closet-cosplay of Tatsumaki getting out performed by Doomfist's $2,000 custom-tailored One Punch Man suit if not for *that* collab.
While I absolutely wanted more story in the OW universe, I also incidentally do not like linear stories with their overwhelming focus on a central conflict; as they risk causing a feeling of narrative claustrophobia. While a central conflict gives for an easy entry-point as for why a story's audience should care, it also acts as a point of pain if it isn't succinct and to the point. To that end, I feel that one of OW's greatest strengths was it's capacity to be an anthology, with the "central conflict" being an active force in the background; i.e. how OW (the organization) it's downfall and rebirth affect various people across the globe for better or worse. As an active force within the world, OW doesn't even need to be a direct player in each character's lives, because it's presence shapes global perception in a way that inspires feelings, behaviors, and actions.
I think it could be an interesting anthology story for sure, but the problem is that it also doesn’t really explore any of the other story elements enough to justify calling it one. Linear narratives that focus on a central conflict aren’t inherently bad - they’re the overwhelming majority of narratives out there - and that’s the structure Overwatch has taken so far, so that’s the framework it kinda has to be critiqued within.
Mei’s story: “Weather update! All your friends are dead!”
The problem i have is whats canon anymore they messed up big fucking time telling us the heros ages its fucked up the lore hard
I actually wanna do a whole video specifically about why the ages and birthdays were a really stupid idea someday ngl, it was a bad decision and I think it'll long-term just make people frustrated.
@TheViveros ya like for lol they to my knowledge never tell the ages of legends. Because if you don't do specific ages from the start and keep on top of them you will brake canon super easily
Im not a K-pop fan, but i will absolutely loose my MIND if overwatch made a COlab with Gorillaz, huge damon albarn fan.
I also thought this was going to be the approach for OW2's story from now on, let's focus on the characters and connect them with each other and the world; but seeing Illiari and her entire lore, I'm not sure they abandoned their old habits completely 🤣🤣🤣 It's overall an improvement though, so I'll take it. Can't wait for BlizzCon, I'm hoping they have some lore related announcement🤞
Isn't it weird how genji and Kiriko have such a large age gap, despite having grown up together?
I think this is where the problem in their story writing lies, if the writers didn't force this whole "growing up together as kids" stuff, the age gap wouldn't mean anything and her canon age (21 as it is right now) would be perfectly fine.
Japanese women older than 21 clearly don't exist (according to these kinds of things). Kiriko's just been in age stasis for a decade :P
The new kpop non canon stuff is cool, but im scared they'll fall into league of legends trap, of just exploring the same parts of the character again and again and failing to actually develop or change the characters
Didn't think this video was going to be about character writing based on the title of the video, but it was pleasant watching it anyway.
Might watch few of your other video and maybe even sub.
It's nice to take a break from balance talk about these heroes.
Thanks for talking about this. The story overall has bothered me for so long.
I really want some more story with basically anything in junkertown especially since you'd think they'd do anything about how junkrat and roadhog have high bounties or junkrat knowing of a (possibly real) treasure that could be something talon or overwatch wants
Junkrats treasure is something that can fly apparently, and queen got to it or junkrat would be executed
First time watching a video on 0,75x playback speed, your speech is so fast, but that's not a bad thing. Nice video!
Love the video and all - Completely agree about character driven stories and I think they are probably the best way to do narrative in hero shooters - but man seeing you play widow on 100 ping is painful. You have my condolences
I'll take this opportunity to hate on how they're killing the gency ship to focus on pharmercy. It feels so forced. Genji and Mercy have history together, and good chemistry. Plus they've been teasing that for so long. It feels like they're only doing it because of Pharah and Mercy in-game synergy.
For some reason I got unsubscribed, but I’m glad to have found your videos again on my feed. Imma binge the rest of the vids I missed after this one ^^
So glad you’re back to vids like this 🌸
A video I can watch fully before finishing a meal. Wild.
Anyways uhhhh yeah they are getting better at character usage, but there's still some bad outliers; like Hanzo. Not too late to step it up, but hurry hurry blizz.
The haters said I couldn't do it, I had to prove them wrong
Also yeah I'm tempted to make a whole separate video about the weird outliers of the Overwatch roster. A huge percentage of the characters seem like they're fully in the wrong game lmao
@@TheViverosI wouldn’t say any characters feel like they’re in the wrong universe, but they feel like they’re in the wrong story, even Illari feels like an overwatch character, she just doesn’t feel like a part of the story, however, the new voice lines have hinted that she may be affiliated with Talon, or at least Sombra, which means maybe she will be part of the narrative
Viveros: Soldier’s sexuality is shown through someone who isn’t even involved with Overwatch
My Reaper76 fan gayass: What a shame ig
"Hyper-ensemble narratives" that's a great phrase
If a game dies the lore dies with it
Kantian take on the characters, love it.
Great vid and looking forward to seeing more! I love Overwatch as a whole and the cast definitely carries it! (Hoping there's a side series like Arcane eventually!)
One bit of feedback though: can you slow down? Not unnaturally, just a little. I get it, you want to make the vids quick but this is YT not tiktok so no need to get all the content out in one breath!
Looking forward to more!
At first I thought this video was about how not to use specific character and how to use specific character. For example dont use brigitte as a frontline support and think you will tank everything, instead use her as a support that is a bit more on the backline and only get close at the right time. But this is fine too.
Unrelated but, that Moira you were fighting in the middle of the video as Sombra was eating. Killer reaction time
Love these! ty for your effort, I appreciate the results!
Well still need Kurt the hive tyrant to be in overwatch
haha!
what are you laughing at
stop laughing this very moment or there WILL be consequences