I lived in this pub as a youngster in 1977. My father must have taken over after the manager mentioned. It was an absolute nightmare, there were shootings, continuous fights and disruption. I remember the Napoleon’s club and the railings around the dance floor and the Village bar. I think there was another bar called the “Brown Derby”. I can remember roaming over the roof and I’m sure it had a beer garden. The pub was massive and we had live in staff, we weren’t there particularly long but it was memorable for all the wrong reasons.
I recall the Rose in the early 80's and being told by everyone who knew to stay away - it was considered a dangerous place to go, at least by reputation....
Thanks for the Memories. I lived at 81 Rosehill court across the road 1975 to 1980. Spent many a night in the Rose pub. It became a very troubled place near the end Lots of punch ups etc. Oliver Reed used to frequent it many a time. Saw him running up and down the bar with his pants down a couple of times. I think it was his party trick? Saying that.. It's not well known that he used to volunteer as a Hospital Porter at the St Helier on occasional Saturdays and would end up in the Rose pub for a rather long Session. Also I was told by an uncle that St Helier Avenue was the first dual carriageway in the UK. He used to drive a bus from Sutton garage after the War.
Back in its day, it was probably a fantastic pub to drink in but changed for the worse. Later on, i remember it being there as a kid when i lived in Sutton and couldn't get over the size of the place .
Rosehill park nearby , with a large sloped hill that everyone went sledging on when the snow was thick! Was a long trek to the top but the ride down was well worth it ! Happy days in the early 60's!
Just about remember the pub,didn’t know about the nightclub,( was too young ), seems a shame it got demolished,but given previous comments about the violence,and having experienced some of the pubs in the area,particularly the St Helier Arms,it’s probably best.
The place was notorious in the 70s for its routine fights and for the injured, it was handily located for the A&E department up the road at St Helier Hospital. As I remember it, the constant violence and frequent police visits caused the pub to lose its licence and that was the end of it. This is a pity because it could have become a better and more peaceful venue had it survived. A Lidl store is hardly a good replacement.
Definitely a pub to avoid from my experience. Fights were a regular event I seem to recall. I used to go to the St Helier’s Arms once a week in the early 70’s but that eventually went the same way as The Rose. It was all an ‘interesting’ area. The one time World Hot Rod champion lived close by. It wasn’t unusual to suddenly find him tearing down the road in his race car while he tried it out before the next meeting. Different times.
I started at Carshalton Boys in 1977. The pub was closed and derelict when I sometimes walked past it. I remember my Mum saying it was a dreadful place😂
I used to go and sit in the pub garden with my Dad in the 70’s. I have a memory of a pony being in the garden on one occasion. I also watched my cousin in a boxing tournament in the pub, he boxed for Rosehill.
I only went there once in 1977 one Friday night whilst on a pub crawl with some mates It was wild in there I can tell you with a Fats Domino act on Obvious that this was a fighters pub frequented by the estate’s worst nut jobs! We had our pint and left, but the memory of that visit is etched If there was not an enormous rumpus there that night, I would be amazed……
I remember this well. I think it used to have two bars,Napoleon's and Brown Derby. A stripper would sometimes perform, I was told, but I was too you totally attend ( I was born 1962) .I remember seeing market stalls to the side also. Such Great days. Tons better than today.
I lived in this pub as a youngster in 1977. My father must have taken over after the manager mentioned. It was an absolute nightmare, there were shootings, continuous fights and disruption. I remember the Napoleon’s club and the railings around the dance floor and the Village bar. I think there was another bar called the “Brown Derby”. I can remember roaming over the roof and I’m sure it had a beer garden. The pub was massive and we had live in staff, we weren’t there particularly long but it was memorable for all the wrong reasons.
My mate Sean lived there in 77..
@@Fah116that would be me then.
@@cordwangleyou Sean?
My mum worked there in 74
I recall the Rose in the early 80's and being told by everyone who knew to stay away - it was considered a dangerous place to go, at least by reputation....
Thanks for the Memories. I lived at 81 Rosehill court across the road 1975 to 1980. Spent many a night in the Rose pub. It became a very troubled place near the end Lots of punch ups etc. Oliver Reed used to frequent it many a time. Saw him running up and down the bar with his pants down a couple of times. I think it was his party trick? Saying that.. It's not well known that he used to volunteer as a Hospital Porter at the St Helier on occasional Saturdays and would end up in the Rose pub for a rather long Session. Also I was told by an uncle that St Helier Avenue was the first dual carriageway in the UK. He used to drive a bus from Sutton garage after the War.
@@mikemcsweeney4753 fantastic! thanks for taking the time to leave a comment.
Back in its day, it was probably a fantastic pub to drink in but changed for the worse. Later on, i remember it being there as a kid when i lived in Sutton and couldn't get over the size of the place .
Rosehill park nearby , with a large sloped hill that everyone went sledging on when the snow was thick! Was a long trek to the top but the ride down was well worth it ! Happy days in the early 60's!
I remember being slammed by a speeding sledge one winter great memories
Brilliant, thank you .
Sutton - the pubs are dangerous and the streets are safe.
Croydon - the pubs are safe and the streets are dangerous!
Just about remember the pub,didn’t know about the nightclub,( was too young ), seems a shame it got demolished,but given previous comments about the violence,and having experienced some of the pubs in the area,particularly the St Helier Arms,it’s probably best.
The place was notorious in the 70s for its routine fights and for the injured, it was handily located for the A&E department up the road at St Helier Hospital. As I remember it, the constant violence and frequent police visits caused the pub to lose its licence and that was the end of it. This is a pity because it could have become a better and more peaceful venue had it survived. A Lidl store is hardly a good replacement.
Loved this pub, spent many happy hours during my teens/20s till they pulled it down 😢
Definitely a pub to avoid from my experience. Fights were a regular event I seem to recall. I used to go to the St Helier’s Arms once a week in the early 70’s but that eventually went the same way as The Rose. It was all an ‘interesting’ area. The one time World Hot Rod champion lived close by. It wasn’t unusual to suddenly find him tearing down the road in his race car while he tried it out before the next meeting. Different times.
I started at Carshalton Boys in 1977. The pub was closed and derelict when I sometimes walked past it. I remember my Mum saying it was a dreadful place😂
I used to go and sit in the pub garden with my Dad in the 70’s. I have a memory of a pony being in the garden on one occasion. I also watched my cousin in a boxing tournament in the pub, he boxed for Rosehill.
I wonder if anyone took any photos while in the gardens of the Rose pub? I haven't come across any.
I only went there once in 1977 one Friday night whilst on a pub crawl with some mates
It was wild in there I can tell you with a Fats Domino act on
Obvious that this was a fighters pub frequented by the estate’s worst nut jobs! We had our pint and left, but the memory of that visit is etched
If there was not an enormous rumpus there that night, I would be amazed……
Went to garth high school if anyone still about, 😂😂
Its was turned into a coop
I remember this well. I think it used to have two bars,Napoleon's and Brown Derby. A stripper would sometimes perform, I was told, but I was too you totally attend ( I was born 1962) .I remember seeing market stalls to the side also. Such Great days. Tons better than today.