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Don’t buy a Tudor Pelagos until you’ve seen this! | San Martin SN0121T Review
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- Опубліковано 8 лис 2023
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When I saw the thumbnail I so thought this was a black pvd version, which I’d have been all over like a rash.
Great shout, Graham!
Same
New too
Same!
Me too!
I actually really enjoyed this video, and I love watching san martin progress as a brand, fighting the big boys.
😍 lovely watch and what a video! A lot of effort put in here well done
Fabulous looking watch. A definite possibility for Christmas.
Congrats, Pip. Been following you since you started your channel and I love your sense of humor. Hopefully, this means that later down the line you'll get a chance to review even more brands. I, for instance, would like to hear your thoughts about Oris.
Thanks so much, mate! I hope so too. For now, just a big mix of all sorts 😅 But I’d love an Oris Aquis Calibre 400 one day, or the Pro Pilot. TBH, the list could go on a while!
I saw one on eBay not long after it was released. I picked it up for a bargain price. I put it on a rubber strap and I must say, it’s my most worn watch. I love it.
Sweet! Is that the integrated rubber strap?
@@LumePip I bought the rubber strap the Tudor uses. Not integrated. Although I would have bought that band if I knew it existed at the time. Still looks good though.
Great video, nice watch, I own the same but in stainless steel. I bought it about three months ago and I already bought 3 more San Martins. My favorite part of this video, besides the quality stand up comedy, it’s that In Rainbows framed picture. One of my top three albums from my favorite band.
Thanks very much, mate 🙌🏻In Rainbows is up there for me, too. OK Rainbows In Computer is great too. Obviously unofficial but the story of those two being part of the same era for the band is fun and the UA-cam compilation someone did is sublime
Great review! I love San Martin watches. Your mom jokes were funny too. Cheers mate!
Thanks so much! 🙌🏻
I’ve been waiting for Tudor to make a smaller pelogos for years and was really disappointed when they came out with the 39. When I saw the San Martin in SS I liked it but kept waiting for the Ti version and grabbed one with the date as it should be.
I’ve been equally impressed with a list of negatives that’s opposite yours.
My case had sharp edges everywhere, the bezel action was gritty and not consistent, the crown is still a gritty mess and the bracelet is a bit gangly.
I’ve since softened the edges so they are pretty good now. I played with the bezel a fair bit and doing so while drenching it in the shower did wonders, it’s now great. The last time I checked accurately it was within 2 seconds a day and it’s currently about 10 seconds out since Sunday.
I wear mine every day and think it’s fantastic.
And if you want a smaller Tudor pelogos, the new fxd is great. I was surprised how nice it is but i would miss the date.
Ah, that’s really interesting! I was honestly really surprised by how smooth this was, because I’ve had similar experiences to yourself with previous models so expected the same this time. But some great accuracy on that! I think more consistent QC is a must going forward. I worry the popularity and ubiquity of the brand on Ali etc has effected the QC - larger batches and oversights etc. It’s pure conjecture from me, obviously, and I don’t know, but just a thought for why it’s not as consistent (or doesn’t seem to be) as before… 🤔
Got mine today. It’s so sharp and feel like a toy. These affiliate reviewers get out of hand. Jeez what a waste of money
Honestly, it seems like pot luck, and as I said above, it seems like the popularity could negatively impact QC given they're producing them in larger quantities (or seem to be). I bought mine with my own money, and not in any sale either, so it's not like I haven't actually bought it. What's more, I'd always encourage anybody to use wherever is best for them to buy from, and only point to my affiliate link as an option because obviously it helps me offset my own investment, and that extends to buying watches to review that have no affiliate links. I'm not an affiliate reviewer. I'm a reviewer. I point out what's good and what's bad in the interests of making some tiny impact on the overall quality of the watches I review. @@sjorsrombouts2080
This watch is absolutely fantastic. I bought a Cronos Tudor homage and the quality was so good I opted for the SW200 movement. I think San Martin missed the boat to do a PT5000/SW200 option here. The fit and finish are calling for it.
I have the SM Pelagos Homage in SS and the NH35 is the biggest drawback. The sweep isn't smooth enough for my taste. Fit and finish on the watch is top notch though.
@@pmolitiernonh 35 is as good as sw200... I can't believe people have problem with hand sweep.
@@MarkoMarkovina it's called personal preference. Not saying NH35 isn't a workhorse, I just prefer higher best rate sweeps. I gave away the SM Pelagos homage because of this.
Got the steel one in black, with a black rubber band from watchdive made for it, it’s stunningly even better rendering than on the steel bracelet❤
Nice! I've given that rubber strap some consideration myself... 🤔
Great review. I just don’t like titanium watches because of all the scratches they incur. I just purchased the date non-titanium version and can’t wait to get it. Great content, new sub here.
The Grade5 titanium 300m WR subby homage looks interesting too, with the on the fly adjustable clasp and the helium escape valve. 13.2mm thick though... wish they didn't bother with the helium escape valve and just make a thinner watch. PT5000 should allow these to be at or slightly under 12mm.
PT5000 makes the case thinner, but it also makes the crown stick out under the case.
I have an Octopus Kraken in blue, and if I didn't want to only wear it on NATO straps, I'd really hate it.
Actually, one of the best looking homages I've ever seen. Like you (or your ex girlfriend), I prefer Matte too. Glossy bezels on many other homages are total dealbreakers for me. Great review!
Couldn't agree more, and I'm sure my ex would too! Thanks very much, mate
Pay-lagos... The name Pelagos (meaning "sea") dates from classical antiquity, referring to an oak forest on the road from Mantineia to Tegea. (Greek: Πέλαγος).
thumbs up for the opening statement! well done
Great review, I bought a blue SS (no date) version a couple of months ago, which is fekkin fantastic but on the strength of this, I've gone and bought a black Ti date version.
Thumbs up.
Funnily enough, I want that version you initially bought still now!
I love my Addiesdives Submariner, solid GADA watch, Miyota 2115, BGW9/C3 Lume, $56 USD. These Chinese homage brands have gotten really good. I believe San Martin and Steeldive are made in the same factories.
I have mine on a marine national nato. It’s absolutely fantastic
My SN0121 arrived last week, and I'm noticing around 6+ hours the minute hand starts to run slow, yet the seconds hand remains on-time. Within 24 hours the minute hand loses a full minute +/-. My other San Martin does not have this issue. Everything else is perfect tho, bezel perfectly aligned and turns beautifully... Going to be sending back for replacement / repair as it seems I got a lemon in the movement.
Thanks mate thinking of getting this. Is this the latest model?
It is a very nice watch. I bought the blue date version in a recent Aliexpress sale. I bought the stainless steel version. The titanium version was only £30 more but there was a couple of online reviews that said the bezel had a bit of bounce on the titanium version. If only they made a 42mm version ☹️
Strange most non COSC watches always seemed to run + / - 10 secs . I’ve had several Sellita 200 watches run at that rate from Sinn and CW. That said some AliExpress watch makers seem to be able to get incredibly good running times from theses modest movements. I have the Blue version and it runs -8 per day . The finish for a titanium watch is very high by any standards and the anti reflective seems better than your version. All in all probably one of the best AliExpress watches ever made.
Hey your Ex might have Matt, but you have this beautiful San Martin so I think it’s even. I have the steel version of this watch, and it’s probably the best finished watch I have. Entertaining and informative as usual!
Nice! What colour did you go for, mate? Some people saying they’re gonna go for the green, which looks boss 👌🏻
@@LumePip The blue one.
@@adk7962 I've been thinking of picking one of those up myself. I've got a nice Crown & Buckle Chevron Adjustable single-pass NATO that would look perfect with it....
I own the ss version. Awesome watch! I prefer ss as titanium tends to look rough and unfinished.
Zero points for originality but 100 points for execution. 😊👍
Nice! I'd definitely agree with you but they've done a great job on this. Though I have been thinking of picking up a SS model in blue, so... 🤷🏼♂️
@@LumePip You won't be sorry. You can catch the ss version on sale for around $200.00, worth every penny.
They' really are amazing value. 🤙🤙🤙@@ericbouza854
Lovely watch, love titanium, and love the best titanium watch you ever owned! (Promaster tough) 😉Loving the mum jokes too! Well done. Great review
Nice one, John - good to hear from you! Hope the Citizen's treating you well 👏
@@LumePip it's a keeper, sold my ti khuraburi as it's better!
Great vid thanks 😀
I also have this watch, I would be interested to hear your thoughts on the bracelet. I found mine to have quite bad tolerances between the links. The result is it’s quite jangly and is a bit of a hair puller. The bezel on mine had quite a rough and inconsistent resistance to begin with but has improved after using it a fair bit. The other cons you’ve mentioned are also true of mine (except the issue with the crystal)
That’s really interesting! Honestly, I was surprised by the bracelet - because it’s been fine. I would say I was lucky in that I removed two links and got a perfect fit, so maybe bigger wristed people might want to request more links, but otherwise, I’ve been really happy with it. All the tolerances were good and other than the obvious lightness of the material (which I always initially think feels cheap!), it’s solid!
Have to say it looks very, very good. We live in the best possible watch timeline.
The matte bezel is the thing that would have made me pull the trigger on the Pelagos 39
However… I think Tudor were right not to use the inner step on the face as 39 is small for a diver and it makes it feel more compact
Yes, I agree with you on both!
San Martin has actually released another model (SN0122) with the same 'simpler' chapter ring style as used on the Tudor Pelagos 39!
Nice review, subscribed. Few cons for this watch, but at least o have some chance of affording one
Not sure how to feel - great review but at the same time offended with all the mom jabs hahahaha Great video!
Thanks very much, mate 🙏🏻
Looks very nice. If the scratch coat the titanium and give an SW200 option people woild pay the extra.
Nice one mate! But this just isn't a Pelagoose 39 homage. The size may be similar which is no bad thing but it's clearly emulating the aesthetics of the regular Pelagoose.
Great vid….I really like this one…feel like I have to now so I can have my own Pelagoose….
Did you end up picking one up, mate?
cracking video mate,i havent taken my version of since i got it....
Too right, mate! 💪
It's a great watch from a great brand! Good show!
Beautiful photography. Looks great with the Artem strap - is the one shown with white or grey stitching?
Thanks very much! That’s the white stitching, mate 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks a lot for that
I have a San Martin subby clone from a couple of years ago. I love it more today than when I first bought it. First of all, these are strap monsters. It looks terrific with a Bond NATO or a brown leather strap or the original stainless bracelet that came with the watch. Mine has a Seiko NH 34 and keeps good time even though it could be better. The power reserve is not great but that’s life with an automatic watch that competes with a dozen other watches for “wrist time.” I highly recommend these and I firmly believe they hold up very favorably compared with high end luxury watches and are a much better value.
I have had the SM subby homage for a year or so, and it gets grabbed and put on when I'm just in a hurry and grab a watch......takes a few seconds to set and...BAM....out the door. I have several very nice quartz watches that keep almost perfect time for months, but.....yeah, the subby homage is one of my fav for sure
Great review and funny too 👌
Thanks very much! 🙏
It's a shame they didn't use the NH38 to avoid the (disappointing) ghost date position.
Would lover a rubber San martin band with clasp along with the metal on the lugs
Belter😊 I'm actually thinking about this one 😊👍
The Pelagoose… love it. I don’t know how they can infringe on the Tudor design language…surely a copyright issue?
It’s basically because the logo is different and there are really small differences between the real thing and the ‘homage’ 👍🏻👍🏻though I think in this case it’s quite a noticeable change, at least on the dial
Would you say you have a grey look to the matte black? Looks so cool!
Yeah, I'd say a very dark grey, though 😅
Looks fantastic!! But WHY OH WHY only with an NH35??
I'd be far keener on this with an ETA 2824 or variant like the PT5000. This deserves a higher beatrate option. Leaning Octopus.
Couldn’t agree more, mate. I’d be all over this with a slimmer Swiss movement. It’s not thick, but if this was 11mm AND had a Swiss auto, or even a PT5000, so many would pay a wee bit more, me included.
@@LumePip hi, you should be telling San Martin.
Thanks to this video I've just ordered one. I have ordered at 200€ m/l with coupons
Let me know what you think when you get it, mate 👍🏻👍🏻
in rainbows vinyl on the wall as well, you absolute dawg
Drilled lugs ! Please 🙏
What wonderfully machined endlinks
Great shout, mate
Superb review - totally agree. Right on, superb bang for buck. And what style!
Thanks very much!! 👏🏻
the No-date movement is it NH35 (with hidden datewheel) or the NH38 no date movement?
One question about the movement. That Seiko NH35 has an only time movement or also a date (hidden by the dial)?
Il y a une date cachée, d'ailleurs ce modèle existe aussi avec la date
Idk if it's your sharp cam or actually San Martin taking it to the next level but if this had the Tudor logo I would not have been able to differentiate
Probably a little from column A, a little from column B!
Wow, that bezel insert is key! I hate that Tudor did not keep the matte finish on the 39.
Really considering getting it. Luxury watches are stupid. But I’m also kinda grinding my teeth from getting an homage 😖 But I’m going to grind them even harder from spending 5k. And what I’m desperately after is a titanium piece exactly like this. I would have gotten the Citizen Fujitsubo, but the lug to lug in the bracelet is not going to work for me
However after watching the cons: I’m spoiled when it comes to good AR. I could look past that though. But what’s worse, is that I don’t think I could bear to take this to my watchmaker for regulation. Their sister shop (same chain different location) is a Tudor retailer 😅. The NH35 can be nice enough when regulated, but it’s a big risk out of the box. So yeah… But never say never.
Do you (or anyone reading this) know another titanium watch (with great lume and an extension clasp) to consider?
You can't buff a sapphire crystal. - Interesting, looks very similar to the Pelagos. The real one also feels very light, scratches easily (just grade 2 Ti) and has QC issues. That's only excusable at the low price point of this one.
If the Seiko movement is running a consistent eleven seconds slow per day then it just needs readjusting, an easy job. No expensive Swiss movement needed.
how is the water resistant
This thing really, really needs a 4Hz movement. I can see why they would go "NH35-only" for the steel-version of this watch, but if you're going to make a titanium model, you might as well throw in a PT5000 or even an SW200. And it's not just the smoother sweep, it's also the general feel of both the PT and SW that's so much nicer than what the Seiko movement has to offer. Based on my very small sample size of one, I would *always* recommend the PT over a Seiko if you get the option. It runs great and it feels just as nice to interact with as any SW200/ETA 2824 that I've ever handled.
That watch is on my short list!
The the black or the blue?🤔
It’s beautiful, but did I notice some particles underneath the crystal?
Yeah, definitely not completely grime-free, but nothing the nakes eye can see without a macro lens and the 'right' lighting :)
@@LumePip Ah, thanks for clarifying. You’ve obviously got a great camera!
Far too good for my eye 🥲🤣
Thats £230 plus uk vat and import duty? What was the total? How useful is that warranty with a chinese brand?
I didn’t pay any tax or import duty at all, and never have on any SM watches, or any watches from Ali, actually. I had a problem with a Cronos watch I bought a while back - I had no issues getting this sent back and a replacement or refund was offered. I took the refund and the money arrived in my account pretty promptly. Obviously that’s not SM but it’s a Chinese Ali brand
How much was the customs on this ? Thanks for sharing affiliate link think I will buy
I didn't pay any customs on mine, mate :) no problem! let me know how you get on with it!
@@LumePip DDP shipping terms?
I really wish san martin would offer bigger versions of their watches - 39mm is too feckin small for my wrist. Perhaps it's a good thing though because they would bankrupt me otherwise
I upvoted because of the Radiohead poster. But I like the video too
Stainless steel or titanium? Im leaning towards titanium. The price difference is $40
This is the titanium and I was impressed with the finishing given I’ve tried other titanium watches from bigger brands that haven’t been as well finished. But that being said, I’m now also considering the steel too 😅🤷🏼♂️
You should try the San Martin SN0116 GMT
I'm not sold on the colours! But maybe I'd change my mind if I saw them in real life 🤔
loaded with features
Looks really nice, a Seiko at that price would have a very cheap bracelet. Shame about the accuracy.
yeah... the dial is on another level. Awesome... Shame it's a "homageripoff" so I would not feel comfy wearing it 24/7.
Matte sounds like a pretty swell guy
I’ve got a pelagos thanks
Nice watch
That’s a stunner bit like your Aunt Sandra .
You know I’m a Pelagos fan and that’s a lot of bang for your money again like your …. ……
No sorry won’t finish that one.
Great vid
From the thumbnail I thought this was a new PVD version. I was interested.
Ah, sorry - I think others got the same impression. Must just be the titanium finish and the lighting! 🥲
@@LumePip We just have to get them to make a PVD version! Hahaha. (I've got the steel San Martin and the ti Octopus Kraken)
Damn, thought it was back in black pvd 😅 Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down🎤🎵
San Martin makes fine watches. I prefer Bliger because they also look good and they are a third as much money. Why pay more for a homage watch that has practically no residual value?
Lovely watch and a strong contender for the 11/11 shopping. I would take the blue one with the date.
I've been thinking of picking up the steel version in blue myself... 🤔
Is the sapphire glass doomed? Double doomed?
Domed, I think, mate - ever so slightly 👌🏻
Just ordered one. First San Martin. Was always dubious about 'homage' watches especially Rolex. But seen as though i don't have several thousand pounds to blow on a watch i've taken the plunge! 😂 How long did yours take to come?
Haha, join the club, mate! Mine actually only took about a week, if I remember correctly. Let me know how you get on with it!
@@LumePip Arrived today after ordering 4 days ago. Love the micro adjustments and it was really easy to remove links. Seen a few reviews where the bezel had a bit of bounce but mine is spot on. All the markers line up perfectly too! Honestly, really impressed with the quality considering the price. Only thing left to test is the water-resistance.... Don't know if that's a brave move or just stupid. Have you risked it?
multiple laugh out loud moments in this one 🙂
Thanks, bud!
did this or the Tudor come first?
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say the Tudor
Ha, love the gags. Solid looking SM for the money too. Thanks.
He's got gags, unlike your mum. 😅
Nice one, mate! Yeah, a lot of watch for the dough here 👌
yea ! very nice 👍🏻
my SM pelagos is perfect
Pip, did you get to pay what you wanted for that wall art, like we did when we got the album of its subject matter? 😉
Haha, well, this was a gift so, in a sense, I didn’t even have to pay a derisory penny (which my stingy 16 year old self would likely have done for In Rainbows!). What an album for all of a penny though. ☝️
Best san martin ♥️
Very funny video.
About the watch, its a pass from me. Use the proper movement SM.
Their new gmt original designs are their best. With they keep up with that and with proper movements.
Yeah Tudors smaller variant look too different. They should have kept to the original design.
I want the original 42mm design in a 39 or 40mm case. That would be perfect.
San Martin apparantly understood this.
Their warranty, they’ll honor but you’ll have to send it back to China. I have the BB58 Blue and it stopped. Luckily I have a local guy who could fix it. The finish and lume really make these watches a bargain as long as you know, the service center is in China.
ur funny af 🤣🤝
In my opinion this watch needs to be offered with a better movement and the brand desperately needs a better “we’ve moved on to a next tier” logo.
at 39mm , makes for a great ladies watch
Красивые часы! Спасибо!
Automatic watches seem so inaccurate compared to Quartz. My Citizen Aqualand Promaster iconic certified dive watch JP20000-08e not only has a built in depth meter and alarms for time expired, max desired depth and too rapid ascent - it runs just 9 seconds fast PER YEAR. I synchronize it to atomic clock time once per year.
F A N T A S T I C ! ! ! 💯👍😀
Agree that Tudor should have made this.
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I don’t know how you did it, but this is amazing! Perfect timing with the last Beatles song too, fitting for a Casino 😉
@@LumePip very true
I wonder why they don't use an NH38 in the no date versions? They are just as cheap
Good point, mate ☝️I’m guessing it’s just that they have bulk orders of NH35s that they can use on both date and no-date versions
A Tudor Submariner grows in value linked to inflation and limited quantities.
The other watch won't it all depends on your expectations.