The Genius Of Empathy, featuring Dr. Judith Orloff

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  • Dr. C welcomes psychiatrist and best-selling author, Dr. Judith Orloff. She has a deep history of studying and writing about the strengths inherent in the empathic approach to relationships. Their discussion focuses on understanding what is at stake when narcissists attempt to minimize the healthy ingredients of an empath.
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  • @angiea8022
    @angiea8022 6 місяців тому +33

    My mom, a lovely Empath tried for years to be close to someone. She gave them her heart, just to have it torn and broken repeatedly. One day, while walking down the hall and pondering, she heard a thought speaking to her, "You can't be close to someone who doesn't want to be close to you."..... So true...

  • @realhealing7802
    @realhealing7802 6 місяців тому +46

    I sacrificed so much for my toxic family. I finally went no contact with my entire family. My mental and physical health was suffering. The negative energy was driving me crazy. An empath can not fix what is broken in a narcissistic family system. I had to save myself. It's not selfish. It's was necessary.

    • @skinnyway
      @skinnyway 6 місяців тому +5

      amen. they are broken. ❤

    • @johns4384
      @johns4384 6 місяців тому +5

      I also left my entire family behind over 40 years ago, and never looked back. I feel I've lived a much healthier life having done so.

    • @jeannedouglas9912
      @jeannedouglas9912 5 місяців тому +3

      Good for you.

  • @angelawade1445
    @angelawade1445 6 місяців тому +17

    I have learned to say no I don't want to. Let that hang right there. People become speechless. I have almost killed myself being everything for everyone.

  • @bonnieforman9700
    @bonnieforman9700 6 місяців тому +46

    I love the term "empathy deficiency disorder" to describe a characteristic of a narcissist. Great show, Dr. C.

    • @LisaSmith-yb2uz
      @LisaSmith-yb2uz 6 місяців тому +5

      Same. Let’s help popularize this umbrella term !🤗lol (The word narcissism is much too grandiose in today’s current media conversation’s!)🙂

    • @SurvivingNarcissism
      @SurvivingNarcissism  6 місяців тому +3

      Pleased!

  • @christinerobertson9596
    @christinerobertson9596 6 місяців тому +23

    Excellent interview. I'm an empath caregiving for elderly malignant narc mother on hospice (we live together) I now stay away in my RV EVERY DAY until my husband gets home. My boundary which is cast in stone, is to NEVER be alone with her. I do what she wants and she is a monster. She chronically hits, criticizes, degrades and gaslights me . Now it's time to protect myself and keep away. 💚

    • @carolentringer8836
      @carolentringer8836 6 місяців тому +4

      Smart!

    • @skinnyway
      @skinnyway 6 місяців тому +2

      I'd have to press charges if the old bat was hitting me. Just to let her know her behavior will not be tolerated. I dont care how old she is. there's a reason why I dont go see my mother - other than not having reliable transportation.

    • @christinerobertson9596
      @christinerobertson9596 6 місяців тому

      @@skinnyway Yesterday she said to husb and me, "Chris just doesn't take my orders." I left the house immediately.

    • @victoriousjoy9338
      @victoriousjoy9338 6 місяців тому

      True!!

  • @aquagirl9228
    @aquagirl9228 6 місяців тому +13

    Their words and actions will never meet.
    Narcissists unfortunately for them are so wrong when they assume we think and act just like they do. Never never would I ever, thanking God ❤️🙏

  • @THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS
    @THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS 6 місяців тому +15

    You can't polish a turd, focus on what you can control, which is urself. It's ok to set boundaries and say no! Be the GUS you want to see in others.

  • @zachscully
    @zachscully 6 місяців тому +32

    Excellent! With Halloween approaching, a seasonal reminder to practice your boundaries so you don’t invite vampires in to hurt you.

    • @bobtaylor170
      @bobtaylor170 6 місяців тому +10

      Yes, the vampires to be wary of are the ones without fangs.

    • @ginafarley6190
      @ginafarley6190 6 місяців тому +2

      Lol😂

    • @skinnyway
      @skinnyway 6 місяців тому +1

      you dont have to invite them FYI

  • @Ana-vr2qo
    @Ana-vr2qo 6 місяців тому +19

    You two have a good rhythm together. Dr. Orloff was the first source I found to validate my high sensitivity years ago.

  • @snowbear1877
    @snowbear1877 6 місяців тому +4

    One of the few powerful things I did to my sister after a terrible journey overseas to inter my mother's ashes in my father's grave, was to change my seat on the plane. There was no way I was going to sit next to her for 13 hours on the flight from Amsterdam to Singapore. So I changed my seat. It was the first time ever that I had stood up to her in an effective way. I was 56 years old.

  • @MaitriNancyLivingCoCreatively
    @MaitriNancyLivingCoCreatively 6 місяців тому +14

    I love Judith! 💙

  • @caroleminke6116
    @caroleminke6116 6 місяців тому +10

    Empaths need boundaries like narcissists need emotional empathy

    • @roxymovie3938
      @roxymovie3938 6 місяців тому +1

      Wonderful and logical statement 👏👏👏

  • @MaitriNancyLivingCoCreatively
    @MaitriNancyLivingCoCreatively 6 місяців тому +12

    I made it! Welcome Dr. Orloff! I'm in New Mexico. 🌞🌞🌞🌞 I'm highly sensitive...and intuitive. Still learning boundaries.

  • @karinchristensen220
    @karinchristensen220 6 місяців тому +4

    I spent most of my life being one those who thought that with enough love I could save that narcissist. I could see the hurt child in them. Once I learned what was really going on and what my role was in these failed relationships I found myself turning towards saving dogs. I've always had a handful of dogs but now I currently have 10. I have a large ranch so there is plenty of room for them and they can enjoy being dogs.
    About once every other year I go to a high intake, high kill shelter and find the worst case - as long as it isn't aggressive - the one that has been neglected or abused and is so afraid of people that no one else will adopt it. It is so rewarding to work with these dogs and see them blossom into happy, trusting souls. I have even observed the resident dogs help out to give the new one confidence. I found that I can put in all the love and caring I have in me toward these dogs. It is returned with love and gratitude.

  • @user-ex8eo6xi2g
    @user-ex8eo6xi2g 6 місяців тому +21

    What a wonderful interview. I much enjoyed the gentle spirit that came through. I realize again how much I benefit not just from the information but also from the down to earth advice. 12 months out after 33 years marriage with a narc. I am happy I at least survived. THANK YOU! There is nothing as helpful in Europe as this channel.

    • @SurvivingNarcissism
      @SurvivingNarcissism  6 місяців тому +4

      Thanks so much!

    • @user-iq4jh8jo3o
      @user-iq4jh8jo3o 6 місяців тому +2

      Also in Europe and also an unconditional fan! I spread the word to other victims, and you and your guests do wonders every day ❤ Thank you and wonderful team healthy

  • @gypsyfaded5907
    @gypsyfaded5907 6 місяців тому +12

    Timely for me. This is eye-opening, the near physiology of the "wiring" of a narcissist and their inability to function as others do. As empaths it's easy to discount just how ugly some can be.

  • @Teacher369
    @Teacher369 6 місяців тому +22

    I appreciate the genius of Dr Les Carter ☀️ and
    Dr Judith Orloff ♥️ Thank you both! ☮️ ☮️

  • @kf4722
    @kf4722 6 місяців тому +23

    She is one of my heroes ❤️

  • @angellollar1083
    @angellollar1083 6 місяців тому +11

    Requested 4 books from library. Looks like the new one isnt out until April 2024 per library. Journaling is very good for empath. Good way to get reactive abuse down on paper.

    • @sahdogwrangler5594
      @sahdogwrangler5594 6 місяців тому +2

      My therapist keeps gently prompting me to journal but I'm having a hard time getting into it.

  • @rwdchannel2901
    @rwdchannel2901 6 місяців тому +8

    I do absorb other people's emotions. I've had very short conversations with strangers at my local park and with some of them I've picked up on their irritability that wasn't on the surface. I know because after I walk away I feel irritable. Later on I've confirmed it after seeing that person get angry real fast. There are very few people I've talked to where I walk away and feel highly positive. I would say about 1 in 10 people are highly positive.
    I often have to do yoga breathing on the ground for 15 minutes to ground myself because I pick up on so much stuff. Some people are high strung and full of caffeine. If I'm around them I feel that energy strongly. I can't stand it.

    • @caroleminke6116
      @caroleminke6116 6 місяців тому +2

      Happened to me at a local park recently ❤️‍🩹

    • @brendarewan7441
      @brendarewan7441 6 місяців тому +1

      Is this feeling demonic in any way?

    • @rwdchannel2901
      @rwdchannel2901 6 місяців тому

      @@brendarewan7441 Yeah because he mentioned he went to the Church my narc parents went to then told me he's now an atheist. Then out of nowhere he mentioned there was a gay baseball team that played at the park which makes me wonder if he's trying to find out if I'm gay so he can hook up with a younger man. He showed envy towards me too when I mentioned a few things I had done in my past. I'm now doing my best to avoid him. He told me his wife is fighting with him a lot too.

  • @yukio_saito
    @yukio_saito 6 місяців тому +14

    It looks interesting. I enjoyed her books.

    • @roxymovie3938
      @roxymovie3938 6 місяців тому +1

      Yukio, it was indeed very insteresting. I've never read a book of her but I am sure I will 😊

    • @yukio_saito
      @yukio_saito 6 місяців тому +1

      @@roxymovie3938 Thanks for letting me know. That was a great conversation.

  • @AnnmarieKeim-vw7ll
    @AnnmarieKeim-vw7ll 6 місяців тому +17

    There is a genius to empathy. I am so glad to live in a time we know so much more about it and how to deal with toxic personalities. It is definitely harder to be an empath but I would never want to be withouta caring heart and hope. Thank you both for this video.

  • @sheilahogan7014
    @sheilahogan7014 6 місяців тому +8

    Thank you Dr. Orloff and Dr. C, this has been one of my favorite discussions so far, and so enlightening.

  • @vickibazter3446
    @vickibazter3446 6 місяців тому +14

    "Empathy deficiency disorder."

  • @rahrahrobbbieee
    @rahrahrobbbieee 6 місяців тому +16

    Dr. Orloff has some great insight from the inside of empathy.

  • @jeannedouglas9912
    @jeannedouglas9912 5 місяців тому +2

    I like that.."Being an empowered empathic person."

  • @roxyrhodes3035
    @roxyrhodes3035 6 місяців тому +8

    It's hard to listen to coaches talk about how the big difference between narcissists and non-narcissists is that narcissists lack the capacity for empathy because I have had dwindling empathy over the years because it's been beaten into me that this world does not reward empathy it rewards those who prey upon those with this trait so devastatingly I have had to choose to kill off my empathy little by little as it does nothing to bring me closer to others or ensure my survival. In fact the only traits that have started to become my saving grace are all the times I went against my true empathetic nature and became more selfish and self serving and numb to other people's problems because I started to value my own self protection over other people's convenience. It kills me inside to operate this way but I learned the hard way that being true to my giving and loving self with others only gets me hurt, taken advantage of, violated, manipulated, and used. Because this world isn't set up to honor and revere us naturally empathetic people. It's set up for predatory people to exploit us remorselessly to the full extent they can extract and harvest from us before throwing us into the garbage.

  • @amandaliverpool3374
    @amandaliverpool3374 6 місяців тому +18

    This was fabulous. What a lovely guest ❣️
    I can relate on not being able to cope with anger. I get upset and get accused of being over sensitive.
    I remember when my ex-husband used to get angry, I would go for a walk or a drive until we had my 1st son. Leaving the house was not an opinion. I had to find a different way to cope until we eventually split! I'm acquiring knowledge and tools all the time!!!

    • @roxymovie3938
      @roxymovie3938 6 місяців тому +3

      Amanda, I can relate to all of what you are saying❣🫂

    • @amandaliverpool3374
      @amandaliverpool3374 6 місяців тому +1

      @@roxymovie3938 🫂❤️

  • @braveheart977
    @braveheart977 6 місяців тому +8

    Love these two experts. Great conversation. Thank you.

  • @sherryfunk6100
    @sherryfunk6100 6 місяців тому +5

    Thank you so much for new clarity. We are wired differently. Strengths and weaknesses of empathy - so insightful.

  • @Cowgirlkate
    @Cowgirlkate 6 місяців тому +5

    I have several of her books; she saved my intuitive life and taught me great survival skills 😊

  • @pattylong6014
    @pattylong6014 6 місяців тому +3

    My sarcastic, descriptive statement for charismatic people is, "We make 'average ' look good!"

  • @susanwilson4695
    @susanwilson4695 6 місяців тому +8

    Just say no and see what happens. It seems throughout my life I have attracted mostly narcissists. It is very tiring and I am happiest with my dog. I would like a social life, but I've been burned too many times.

  • @lauraloyland
    @lauraloyland 6 місяців тому +3

    I discovered about a year ago that I’m more specifically a “sigma empath” and I am actually quite grateful I’m this type of person!!❤

  • @SewDiva5691
    @SewDiva5691 6 місяців тому +3

    Thank you Dr C for having Dr Orloff as a guest. 👍👍 👏👏 I wished I’ve known her when I was still in my 20s. Back then I didn’t realize I was an Empath. A lot of what she said resonated with me. 😲 I’m grateful I have found other Empaths in the charity groups I’m involved in! Helps me keep my sanity after being around Covert narcs in my life! I don’t like how I end up feeling being around those bad vibes from narcs. No bueno! Now to get Dr Orloff’s book to add to your books I already have. 📚😉

  • @margueritebaca3921
    @margueritebaca3921 6 місяців тому +4

    That's so cute to hear about little 8 year old Dr. C.

  • @indigoheyoka1259
    @indigoheyoka1259 6 місяців тому +7

    I LOVE DR. JUDITH ORLOFF!

  • @roxyrhodes3035
    @roxyrhodes3035 6 місяців тому +17

    I've been a really empathetic person my whole life to everyone and to be honest it has only made my life worse and other people's lives bettet. I'm not sure I see the value in this trait anymore as I once did. Everyone loves when you have empathy for them because they benefit from it while taking advantage of your empathy leaves you broke, mentally ill, jobless, homeless, and physically disabled. Then when you run out of empathy for others because they always make their problems bigger than yours they scorn you and kick you when you're already down, in part because of them, and call you a selfish ungrateful loser while they sit in their houses, stuffing their bellies with expensive food, galavanting off to their high status jobs, bad mouthing you to their coworkers and friends, and taking expensive trips around the world while you struggle to buy gas and food and sleep in your car off the highway somewhere in some forgotten wasteland parking lot hoping you don't get mugged or shot or have police kick you out of the area for sleeping overnight in a public area.

    • @waywardstitch8604
      @waywardstitch8604 6 місяців тому +5

      There was a time when I had deep empathy, but also had very good boundaries. Narcs were often attracted to me (i.e., my empathy) but I recognized them immediately and brutally sent them away without apology. They left me while hurling insults, telling me I was a horrible fake, badmouthing me to any anybody who would listen. I knew they interpreted my empathy as a weakness, something to exploit for their own use, but when I said "ohh, hell no!" they became angry and abusive. When they rejected me too I didn't care one bit, and counted it as a very good thing to be free of them. I knew I was valuable, and I liked who I was, and I liked my empathetic self. But I HATED being targeted by narcs so much.😡
      Later, I lost my ability to work, went on disability, lost my self confidence, lost my ability to value myself, lost my keen sense of good boundaries. Without realizing it I lost my healthy perspective, and made friends with narcs, and started believing their accusations about me. It was a very bad time.
      Now I'm healing again, and I value my empathy even more. My old self, and my trust in my old self, is re-emerging. I recently found a youtube vid that described super empaths as also being able to discern narcs immediately, like in a blink being able to pick narcs out of a crowd, while others couldn't see them yet. According to this video super empaths find narcs immediately intolerable, and can't put up with their nonsense, reject them without apology, taking no prisoners. Yes, that used to be me. It was the first time I saw my empathy as a powerful and strong quality, something that kept me safe from narcs.
      So there's more to empathy than just being a doormat. It also has a very powerful aspect, something to be valued, and something that narcs also hate when you can see them so clearly. But they hate it because it scares them, because at their core narcs are bullies, and bullies are really just cowards.
      It can take a while, and a lot of hard work, but when you learn to trust yourself you'll discover there are lots of kind and empathetic people in the world. We have always been here and will always be here. When you learn to trust your instincts you'll have an easier time spotting your tribe. As you gradually surround yourself with mirrors of yourself, (i.e., fellow empaths), there will be less and less space for narcs.
      Wishing you well, good healing, clarity, and strength. 🤗 💞

    • @andreacook6000
      @andreacook6000 6 місяців тому +2

      Incredible reply. I screen shot that an d will re read it again. So well said. We need to tune into our superpowers to spot these people rather than blocking that part out. Just say it and play it like it is around them.

    • @bobtaylor170
      @bobtaylor170 6 місяців тому +3

      Your comment rises to the status of literature. It's eerie how alike these people are to one another, and in what they'll do to us.
      Narcs may be impoverished personalities, but they are not irresponsible for what they do. We all have deficiencies which incline us to wrongdoings of various kinds, but we are all responsible for the choices we make.

    • @gertrudewest4535
      @gertrudewest4535 6 місяців тому +3

      Do not cast pearls before swine. Empathy is a gift that must be cherished. Sounds like you need to use some on yourself and be your own best friend. I rescue wild birds and other non domestic critters. They are grateful. It’s a good place to spend my energy as the wild birds are suffering too much. In this age of vaunted narcissism, I tread carefully around humans.

    • @exlesoes
      @exlesoes 6 місяців тому +2

      Yes this is the same for me! I even tried to be a mental health counselor. I think I was pushed out of that job though leaving me jobless and homless not long after. It's a tough tough lonely road. I became so ill it drove me to madness with delusions. All because I refuse to sink to acting out with bad behavior. I don't mean just getting angry and frustrated and being argumentative and yelling. Because I have done all those things. I still think I'm empathetic more so than extremely angry. Because others in homeless shelters especially evil staff members pushed my buttons. I also had a drinking problem and would be bursting out crying or angry. Since being homeless and being angry over things in and out of homeless shelters the past few years I don't drink and get angry. I know I sound the opposite of an empathic person. I really did try and it was just too stressful. A counselor at one of the homeless shelters said I'm a tickint time bomb

  • @rosieE121
    @rosieE121 6 місяців тому +2

    As a survivor, what Dr. C. says at 20:00-20 was true for the narcissist ex. He was intelligent and clever at collecting data on so many people, spying even, and bragged at how well he could understand them. It was used to control them. Leaving him was a terrifying experience. I realized that my caring for him was coming from my arrogance at wanting to be the kind half of the marriage. I was hurt to my limits and finally saw could do nothing to stop a worsening situation that was hurting so many. There was so much projection I had a monumental job sorting out the real problem from the external appearance.

  • @gertrudewest4535
    @gertrudewest4535 6 місяців тому +3

    I finally went no contact with my family. I was made for love, and they shamed me my whole life for my empathetic nature ( you’re a wimp…you need to toughen up…you’re too sensitive…you can’t save all the birds, etc). Looking back, I just was never accepted or even acknowledged for who I am. So glad I left. I like the journey I am on- warts and all.

  • @TheQueensWish
    @TheQueensWish 6 місяців тому +4

    To be your whole self. How simple and wonderful and necessary.

  • @angellollar1083
    @angellollar1083 6 місяців тому +5

    Honor to share!!!! God bless you all!!!

  • @joannapowell3579
    @joannapowell3579 6 місяців тому +6

    Great video. Love the practical advice for empaths 🙋‍♀️ stuck with narcissists 😡

  • @PaigeSquared
    @PaigeSquared 6 місяців тому +3

    I was like that when i was eight! Wanting to be supportive to those around me, particularly outside my family. My immediate family had specific roles and I knew not to break those.
    But my immediate family didnt support each other emotionally. I was sent to my room if i had any feelings that "rocked the boat." The issue wasnt the problem, my feelings about the issue were the problem.
    I still have trouble believing people might be willing to help me, when i need a hand. It often doesnt cross my mind that i could ask for help, or who would be appropriate to ask.
    (When i was really struggling as a single mom, i asked my mom about asking extended family for help, because she works full time and lives awhile away. She told me it would be "hurtful to her," if i asked any of my dad's family for help. So i clearly have been trained a certain way.)

  • @itm4173
    @itm4173 6 місяців тому +10

    Dr.C, I’m a huge fan of your UA-cam presentations and try to never miss the posts. I wasn’t sure how this particular interview would land for me. Boy, am I glad I gave it a listen. I thought the word “Empath” was part of some new-age hooey. I learned some key pieces that have been missing from making sense in dealings with narcissistic people. Learning never stops ❤.
    Thanks so much 🙏

  • @azsuehayes
    @azsuehayes 6 місяців тому +9

    This was so incredible. I'm working on 42 years+ . Mine he has empathy for others, and keeps it all ugliness for me.
    Although he's in therapy, I'm losing the high hopes I had once again. You'd think I'd have learned.
    I'm openly in a war zone. I will stay if possible, but I love myself now, so there will be requirements for me to stay.
    I'm lost, and this helped so much. We'll see. I'm grateful beyond measure for you both.
    Love and Blessings to you! ❤🙏🏼😞

    • @cynthiafortier2540
      @cynthiafortier2540 6 місяців тому +4

      That don't change and get worse with age. Goso

    • @azsuehayes
      @azsuehayes 6 місяців тому +5

      @@cynthiafortier2540 Yes it does!!!

    • @caroleminke6116
      @caroleminke6116 6 місяців тому +2

      Gray rock out of it plz

    • @dnk4559
      @dnk4559 6 місяців тому +2

      This is such a common narcissistic trait. They show fake empathy for others and when no one is around to witness it lash out at their chosen scapegoat. They just need one person to be their punching bag. This is how they are able to pretend to care for others.

    • @azsuehayes
      @azsuehayes 6 місяців тому +3

      @dnk4559 Its sad to me that they are so wounded that they can't recover 😢

  • @Noname-xm2lj
    @Noname-xm2lj 6 місяців тому +1

    As I'm still living with my N husband I appreciate these valuable lessons via videos. I gain some peace each time I listen. Right now I want to separate from this man, but trying to find a way financially. He has a new supply (girlfriend) as I couldn't give him the adoration he needed as he belittled me. Somehow I need to get out. I have alerted some close friends as to what I'm dealing with as he moved me far away from family. Stay strong to all those dealing with this in their lives. Thank you.
    Pamela of SE Oklahoma

  • @ronies41
    @ronies41 6 місяців тому +4

    Wow! I am in awe of this meeting of these two people.

  • @Lamenade
    @Lamenade 6 місяців тому +1

    I love that Dr C - boundaries - knowing who you are, and knowing who they are.

  • @Alice-fr1ef
    @Alice-fr1ef 6 місяців тому +1

    Dr. Orloff is so very right., It is like she has been lving in my home for years. They care nothing about love and can not respond to it. Staying with them for a very long time means nothing because they will only get worse the older they get. They love the way they are being in control so much. Trust your gut and kick them to the curb as soon as you get that feeling that somethng is wrong with that person. They are so different from a normal person and so evil and I hate that they are so passive agressive. They will always plan to get you if you don't do what they want but you will never know when it is coming or what it will be. What a great guest Dr. Carter and a wonderful video. Thank you so very much for having Dr. Orloff. She hit the nail right on the head on both sides of the coin. They you so very much and Gus too.

  • @ro7547
    @ro7547 6 місяців тому +1

    I’d like to add that empathetic people don’t think of others as “bad” and are confused when they realize otherwise.

  • @ro7547
    @ro7547 6 місяців тому +1

    I used to work for a truckline and was in charge of collections. One company was over a year behind in payments. When I called to collect, the man said, “You’re the nicest mean person I’ve ever spoken to” and paid the bill in full.

  • @HD-mg9ru
    @HD-mg9ru 6 місяців тому +2

    Great interview!!!! I have Judith's book. I myself am an Empath going all the way to my childhood. I'm so sensitive that when something really hurtful happens I get very emotional and sensitive even to some music. It really does annoy some people. Especially my family. They'll look at me and say, "why are you so upset?" Or just give me the look like what's wrong with you. One of the things I learned is when a narcissist goes off on you instead of trying to defend yourself just simply look at them and say, "that's rude!" No other explanation needed.

  • @MCR1565
    @MCR1565 5 місяців тому +1

    Thank you. I had to listen to this twice. I’m married to a Dr. both of my parents are retired highly educated retired school teachers. We grew up on a cattle farm and grew everything we ate. In hindsight I truly appreciate the life they provided to us. I have 9older siblings without disclosing too much. I played therapist to a parent that needed “help”. No one is labeled on any spectrum. It’s interesting to hear her explanation in English. Fitting right in the middle at 20 , which was a bit too late, but understanding the people around us and creating boundaries. It’s extremely difficult as no one helps you understand “your gut feelings”. They discourage us to speak out loud. Those things put some of us at risks. We keep sticking around and playing counselor to them.
    We have so much hope because they pretend. They as in anyone on the spectrum that’s the opposite of us. I’ll say this, after 19 years of marriage and 4 kids, they triangulate and manipulate you , your life, your family and your kids. It’s awful. Do not stay and do not let these mentally ill people hurt your kids. They will cut you to the core by hurting your children. It’s extremely sick and sadistic. These are strong words. Mainly for psychopaths. Honestly, it’s oil and water. We didn’t break them and we can’t fix them. Get out as soon as you can see a clear pattern of abuse. It’s coercive control and you should check out the Duth theory of domestic violence. They really aren’t mentally ill I don’t believe. They just exist and they abuse everyone put that in your back pocket and get away from them as soon as you can and protect yourself. They do not respect boundaries. It’s 100% of domestic violence issue and while no one mentions it, I’m going to let you all know to look it up do your research and get out of the relationship whether it’s a woman who is abusing you or a man or a same-sex partner. Get out of it immediately get educated and move on.

  • @Stolat79
    @Stolat79 6 місяців тому +2

    I too have become incredibly wary of “Charismatic” people. I have been sucked in by both women and men who on first impression were fantastic people, but the ensuing drama and refusal to take “No” as an answer (however polite) gracefully outs the worst of them. Like the salesman selling their wares, or a Jehovahs true felt concern, when at your door. The response is the same, “No, thank you. Good Day”

  • @ML-qj8it
    @ML-qj8it 6 місяців тому +4

    I've been a big fan of both of you, Drs! I've been learning A LOT about myself and narcissist/NPD from you, and now everything that happened in my life started making sense! Thank you so much for your teachings!

  • @ChildoftheLIGHT
    @ChildoftheLIGHT 6 місяців тому +3

    Very helpful conversation. Thank you both. Much appreciated.

  • @roxymovie3938
    @roxymovie3938 6 місяців тому +4

    Thank you so much for this interview with Judith Orloff, which was so liberating for me personally for I could see myself so much through her eyes. I needed to watch this video twice and I am sure I will watch it another time for it's so valuable.
    As a highly sensitive person from early childhood on I am absorbing other people's feelings and energies like a sponge. I am also merging with the other's feelings so that it is so difficult for me to find out which are their feelings and which are mines. When I feel anger from another person, I can not stand it for it goes directly into my whole system without protection so that I always want to run away from that intensive hurt. (As a child I was not allowed to have anger myself but I remember I had lots of anger issues and I would displace them to get rid of them.)
    Lots of people, crowds, noises and smells are always overwhelming me. That's why I always need lots of alone time and quiet places to recover and rebuild my energies. I can only focus on one person at the time, which I am enjoying intensly. I have also changed my job in that direction that I can work 1:1 in a social setting with insense care, which comes very natural to me and is also relating to my core values.
    The book "The Genius of Empathy" will first come out in April 2024! I guess, I will first read "The Empath's Survival Guide".
    Thanks again, Dr Carter, for introducing Dr Judith Orloff to Team Healthy!!! 🙏💛🙏

  • @Nuverselive
    @Nuverselive 6 місяців тому +1

    Wait hold up… I think I’m dreaming. Somebody pinch me 😂 I was reading her book and watching his videos yesterday. I said to myself I’m gonna infuse their words as a resource for my tribe and I’ve done this for 2 years. But seeing them together makes me feel like I’m on the right track. As an empath I attract very broken ppl. I thought I could love them better until I got sick. I had 2 near death experiences. So I went no contact and 5 years later I began to get better. This is a journey we are all trying to make sense of the situations we survived. Their info saves lives. As an intuitive empath, I read energy fields for a living. I can see past , present and future and I’ve been this way my whole life. I love holding space for ppl in a non judgemental way. My life was horrific but the best thing that ever happened to me. Our sensitivity to energy isn’t a weakness, it’s a super power that must be protected. Prioritize yourself , prior ties that end once u do this we’re not meant to be your forever connection, it was for a season and that’s ok.

  • @kathy385
    @kathy385 5 місяців тому +1

    What a wonderful conversation between you both! I believe one of the reasons my generation has problems with boundaries is because we were often told " You should not feel that way." We were given the appropriate behaviors/feelings/emotions associated with a specific role. We grew up with Wendy Ward Charm School, our independent feelings were irrelevant.

  • @cairosilver2932
    @cairosilver2932 6 місяців тому +4

    22:30 In regards to charm, Dr Ramani treats it as a major warning sign/red flag as well. Interesting to run across the same conclusion with Dr Orloff.

    • @caroleminke6116
      @caroleminke6116 6 місяців тому +1

      Charm is meant to disarm in order to harm

  • @phoriaphobia
    @phoriaphobia 6 місяців тому +6

    This was a really insightful conversation to listen to! I came across Dr. Orloff's videos on empaths some years ago, before I knew anything about narcissism. Glad to note the distinctions between codependency and being empathetic!

  • @mikediamond353
    @mikediamond353 6 місяців тому +5

    I'm gonna watch the replay. Good to be here, again

  • @deidrecalabro5725
    @deidrecalabro5725 6 місяців тому +1

    Narcissist's are fun until they aren't. The empathy I've given to a narcissist seems to make them the worst.

  • @mdhironbhuiyan
    @mdhironbhuiyan 6 місяців тому +2

    Thank you Dr. Orloff and Dr. C, this has been one of my favorite discussions so far, and so enlightening.❤❤❤

    • @SurvivingNarcissism
      @SurvivingNarcissism  6 місяців тому +2

      Glad you enjoyed it!

    • @mdhironbhuiyan
      @mdhironbhuiyan 6 місяців тому +1

      yes sir

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      @mdhironbhuiyan 6 місяців тому

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  • @wendychavez5348
    @wendychavez5348 5 місяців тому +1

    We had only been together a couple of months when I realized we weren't going to work out--we were watching a movie at his house & got into a fight--not physical this time, though it was an inappropriate screaming match--and I suggested we part ways while we could still like each other. He didn't like that idea at all, & I allowed him to talk me into staying. For 5 years. Every time we fought I wished I had trusted my instinct & ended the relationship; instead, I let him set the precedent. At least he's gone now, & I'm much healthier.

  • @victoriousjoy9338
    @victoriousjoy9338 6 місяців тому +2

    I wish i had heard this 32 years ago!! I had no idea!! Wasted so many years on a man who was truly evil!!

  • @yanetrodriguezcruz3609
    @yanetrodriguezcruz3609 6 місяців тому +1

    The bussiness is they have to ask for help! I have no words.

  • @jds6964
    @jds6964 Місяць тому +1

    I had a very close personal friend that died unexpectedly. I wish I knew then what I know now about what an empathetic person that he was. One evening a deer was hit by a car in front of his house. The deer ended up laying in the front yard. Before the police arrived to put the deer out of its misery my friend sat down on the ground next to the deer and held onto the deer so it would not be alone while it lay there dying. My friend owned an aerial arts studio. One night when the studio had just closed for the night and he was about to get into his car and head on home, he noticed that one of his students was still in her car and had not left yet. He asked if she was ok and she said that she was ok, but he could tell that she was not. Instead of just saying goodbye and heading home, he got into the passenger seat and sat there and talked with her until she felt better. After my friend died my mother showed zero empathy for my loss. I see know that since my loss did not involve her than she did not really care about me. My next door neighbor showed me more empathy.

  • @MaitriNancyLivingCoCreatively
    @MaitriNancyLivingCoCreatively 6 місяців тому +5

    Just read a review that mentions something that makes sense to me. Intuitives have natural boundaries but empaths need to learn. I think I will look into developing and TRUSTING my intuition more just now. I found this in a review on Amazon of her first book. I often enjoy the educated reviews. Btw when I began w Team Healthy empathy because I know it carries boundary issues bothered me. I prefer being compassionate. It I feel implies boundaries and intuition can be false. Great topic. Again many thanks.

    • @SurvivingNarcissism
      @SurvivingNarcissism  6 місяців тому +4

      Great perspective! Thanks for passing it along, Nancy!

  • @gertrudewest4535
    @gertrudewest4535 6 місяців тому +2

    Some people are naturally entertaining. I know I can be, with the right people. But when they are charismatic ALL the time is when I get red flags.

  • @ecohumanism
    @ecohumanism 6 місяців тому +1

    13:00 I also used to judge people by myself and thought that we all perceive the world and other people almost in the same way, nobody told me that somebody could do a bad thing to somebody and not feel bad about it inside afterwards.

  • @maxwellcoleshow
    @maxwellcoleshow 6 місяців тому +3

    What a wonderful conversation with a wonderful woman in this space. Much respect for the work you both do. Keep spreading 💡.

  • @diannewible3879
    @diannewible3879 6 місяців тому +1

    Finally the information for the empath, the real victim of Narcissist person... how to have limits.. like keeping a KEEP OUT sign in the forefront of my mind!! I put it up before facing them!...

  • @shyannenicholewymer
    @shyannenicholewymer 6 місяців тому +9

    Can’t wait! He always has some great knowledgeable things to say. so I’m sure she has some good things to say as well. 😊

  • @racso1160
    @racso1160 5 місяців тому +1

    I blamed empathy for all the pain people have have left me with ... Empathy his gift and not respecting ourselfs his another thing. I always fought for everyone .. wiling to get hurt for others .. And guess how i ended ?
    Life teaches us lessons .. im still learning

  • @MaitriNancyLivingCoCreatively
    @MaitriNancyLivingCoCreatively 6 місяців тому +5

    Bravo Dr C. Wonderful and succinct. I started reading Slay the Bully and This suits my temprament so much better. Many thanks. 🌹

  • @omvendtslev
    @omvendtslev 6 місяців тому +1

    I did what i could for 7 years to help a covert Narc....but from the start i new something was "wrong"...but just had to try and help her....i always understood how she was feeling....but could imagine how she was thinking.....but in the end i understood it clearly!!!

  • @TheKak933
    @TheKak933 6 місяців тому +2

    That’s hard but great advice…be prepared in advance for the family rager. That’s the most difficult thing for me to do because I expect peace and maturity in an adult…

  • @lindabell2940
    @lindabell2940 6 місяців тому +4

    Im glad, my Doctor, thanks man, your farout, guest always rules, man, you folks in this community, its just like, hey man, love ya, a figure of speech, the community Rules

  • @tboned1
    @tboned1 6 місяців тому +6

    hi team healthy

  • @Empathysuperpower
    @Empathysuperpower 6 місяців тому +2

    Thank you so much for this video. It better helps me to understand myself & now having my boundaries to protect me. Thank you & God bless you both.

  • @michelleharkness7549
    @michelleharkness7549 6 місяців тому +2

    In Thanksgiving: { USA 🇺🇸} : btw: The Presentation ( broadcast): { awareness- mental health- information ℹ️ fabulous} : is outstanding: again: outstanding

  • @anonymouscm7270
    @anonymouscm7270 6 місяців тому +6

    Many thanks🙏🌷🕊💝🤗Hope Dr. C could have more such wonderful conversations in future too🙏🌷🕊💝🤗

  • @cherylnathanodette
    @cherylnathanodette 6 місяців тому +2

    As always such a wonderful insight and so much knowledge held, thank you as always.

  • @angiea8022
    @angiea8022 6 місяців тому +1

    When he began raging, I began asking to get out. I was terrified! He wouldn't let me out of the car -- he put it in reverse and could have really hurt me as I already had the door open and was about to get out.

  • @4craycray
    @4craycray 6 місяців тому +5

    Well that was a good ride. I agree with everything discussed. Thanks to both of you for a great start to my day.

  • @mayolasbones6831
    @mayolasbones6831 6 місяців тому +4

    That was a great show my friend. Thank you!

    • @SurvivingNarcissism
      @SurvivingNarcissism  6 місяців тому +1

      Glad you enjoyed it!

    • @mayolasbones6831
      @mayolasbones6831 6 місяців тому +1

      @@SurvivingNarcissism Thank you. It's almost like people are different kinds of animals. And we are trying to learn what type each person is. Like God says some are wolf's in sheep's clothing. Lol Have a great day, Best to you, Dave The Great Hurb Albert always makes us feel good. I hope you turn it on. The Lonely Bull is one of my favorites.

    • @SurvivingNarcissism
      @SurvivingNarcissism  6 місяців тому

      Glad you enjoyed it

    • @mayolasbones6831
      @mayolasbones6831 6 місяців тому +1

      Thank you. The people that have had NDE my friend. Near Death Experience as you know say Heaven and God's bright 🌞 light is so full of Love ❤️ that we almost can't feel the pain we went through in this life. Apostle Paul is one of my favorites. How he thanked God to see him through it all. How it brings us very close to God. Best to you my friend , Dave

  • @l.t.2356
    @l.t.2356 6 місяців тому +5

    Wonderful interview, Dr. Carter. Thank you.

  • @sharynfoster3255
    @sharynfoster3255 6 місяців тому +3

    Very helpful to understanding myself and others better.

  • @gardenextra7415
    @gardenextra7415 6 місяців тому +1

    The self help books and videos have been super helpful in my life. Thank you ❤

  • @jennylynn82173
    @jennylynn82173 6 місяців тому +3

    Wow! What a neat surprise! Ready to listen and learn 🥰 Thank you!!!

  • @kat-75
    @kat-75 6 місяців тому +1

    Yah all are so right.

  • @lindamakin3463
    @lindamakin3463 6 місяців тому +2

    I imagine Empaths tend towards the internal locus of controlnscale developed a Rotter, the 60's as another spectrum based analysis. Thank, very inspirational!

  • @pepperjones7559
    @pepperjones7559 6 місяців тому +2

    Thank you, Dr. Carter, for your presentation featuring Dr. Orloff. Your presentations have been helpful to me from the start in negotiating toxic family interactions. It is great to meet you, Dr. Orloff. So informative.

    • @SurvivingNarcissism
      @SurvivingNarcissism  6 місяців тому +1

      You're most welcome!

    • @pepperjones7559
      @pepperjones7559 6 місяців тому

      @@SurvivingNarcissism I have been so greatly helped from the start of downloading your messages. The dynamic of my family’s progress by my interactions with them is facilitating progress. I appreciate your work to share your experience with a thirsty community void of knowledge.

  • @awesometulips9427
    @awesometulips9427 6 місяців тому +1

    Wonderful interview. Thank you both ❤

  • @SoulfulButterfly13
    @SoulfulButterfly13 6 місяців тому +1

    Such a gem this video. Struggle with sensory overload often even with my children but what she said at 24:08- 24:18 I'm going to start using.

  • @iw9338
    @iw9338 6 місяців тому +1

    Thank you both, excellent information. Learning to stay in my own lane.

  • @melissaoliver7059
    @melissaoliver7059 6 місяців тому +1

    I love your readings! They're very accurate! Thanks for taking time to do these for us! 11-09-1982

  • @uchedivinejohn1513
    @uchedivinejohn1513 6 місяців тому +1

    Great teachings, I appreciate her genuineness