ram pump pt3
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Installing the ram from Pt2 and installing my old RIFE ram into the same delivery pipe. This setup will allow me to pump more water up the hill plus I can just run the smaller pump during the dry season.
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I want to thank you for going to all the time and trouble of making these videos. They are incredibly informative, and you make everything easy to understand (for non-engineers). Really, great kudos to you!
Good series. I have seen several different options for building, but you do a good job explaining the processes.
The sound of a ram pump is so mesmerizing and very soothing
@MarinePrepper Thanks! I am so glad that you are going for it! If you have an questions along the way don't hesitate.
The Art of Ram Pumping , Thanks for Educating me in Ram Pumping Technology !
You are welcome! They are a fun, rewarding and practical device!
@ngneer999 It is enough to keep it closed but the rebound casues a pressure drop under the valve causing it to fall during operation.
@hornerm5 You are correct however, I have other shutoff valves on the drive pipe upstream. I have it this way so I can swap out my 4 different sized pumps. 3/4", 1" 1 1/4", 2" so the valves on the inside become my operational valves. The more valves the better! I have built and tested pumps for other people so this is why I did it this way.
thank you much appreciated im gathering parts now, look forward to letting you see you are a good teacher :)
@bknees2 The pressure vessel of 12" was one I had for a 3/4" ram and the 24 inch was for the 1 1/4" ram.
As to the adjustment - 2 points- when using a swing check valve the entire valve can be rotated in such a way as it takes more force to close the flapper. the other point when using a spring check valve you can just add weights to meet your desired elevation of delivery. I hope that made sense. I add nuts and washers to my spring check valves to get them to lift or 100' in elevation.
thank you for taking your time to show us... It will be necessary for people who dont have electricity or solar power in my country. That is the "altiplano" (high plains of Bolivia)
Thanks lots help full info i have ions of volume but not enough pressure so I hope to pump higher on the mountain to create pressure for fire prevention I leave in northern British Columbia Canada
Hey there, enjoying these videos. I really appreciate the theory behind it all. What's your specifications on your intake pipes through your dam wall?
Thankz a lot bro for sharing.
This is what I was looking for👍
@0amaam I am not really loosing the water, I am using the water that naturally flows down stream anyway. I also pump the water to a tank and when it is full the overflow returns back to the pond. I am into conserving my water and when it is dry I will only use one pump and crank it down the minimum output to water the cows and chickens.
If you can set in a creek with the intake further upstream or at the top of a shallow waterfall, then your not wasting the exhaust water at the swing check valve.
@fierfox121 I will but a catch basin and direct the water back to the stream 4 feet away. There is not enough energy (head) in the waste water to put it to any use that I have found. Good question and it is one I have to answer often. Thanks!
@biguy525 That is why I moved out of NY! : ) Thanks for checking out the video!
Great videos. Thanks brother. My question is, is there a way to reduce the noise or silence the check valves?
Thanks to your video sir i have an idea now how to build it and the formula to compute the discharge..im applying now the formula of projectile and the cuntinuity equation..thanks alot sir.God blessed
This might be a silly question, but is it possible to elbow into the waste valve and connect it up to irrigation lines further downhill or do you need air to be forced into the value to push the water back into the PVC chamber?
crazy question can you use the flow for my Ram pump to get a Venturi pump action going capturing some of the vacuum and draw from a well
@ndcent4u As I said in the overview, the metal pipe performs better than PVC. You are right that it is quieter. They are down in a valley so the noise doesn't carry far. You can't hear them from any of my neighbors properties or from the road. You would have to be walking through the woods and stumble across them. It will be about a month before I can do the well series.
No matter what you do you need a full drive pipe. No air can be between the source and the ram. With a 1" gpm flow I would use a 3/4 inch drive pipe and a 3/4 inch ram for a consistent run. "You don't have to pump all the water some of the time but you want to pump some of the water all of the time." E775
@lucabadue Sometimes it takes 10-30 times to get the delivery pipe back pressure to get high enough to cause the rebound needed. They can be frustrating until you get a hang of it. If you send me a video of your setup I might be able to help you get it running.
Great videos! Couple questions. I saw the pressure vessel increased in length/height from about 12 inches to 24 inches from pt 2 to pt 3. Any gauge on how big to make them? Second question: Is there any adjustments to the 1 1/4 common hardware ram pump to increase/decrease flow like the weight on the Rife pump?
very cool. I watched all parts and I like it. Thanks. /John
Why not have a third check valve on the inlet before your hammer valve to prevent the spike from ramming back into the supply line?
I used a 3" PVC pipe (SCH 40), 4 ft long(more or less) and with my table saw ran slits lengthwise every 1/4", leave 3" on each side, cut 1/2" pieces of the 3" pipe and insert (and glue) inside the pipe to expand it and to add support. Once dry, put a cap on one end, a reducer on the other to match the pipe or nipple, wrap w/nylon screen (screen door material) and secure it with galvanized wire....works great on my project.
engineer775 Practical Preppers I like the video series and I am in the planning stage for my future homestead. As part of my planning stage I am trying to make everything multi-purpose. When I see the waste water that is left at the ram I am trying to figure out the best use of that (channel it to a new pond and use another ram pump to pump it back to the first or something). What are some good ideas to reuse the waste water at the ram pump?
I suppose you could use a small pump powered by some solar panels to get the water back up to the pond. That would probably make sense if the source of water feeding your pond is variable throughout the year. That way, you can always maintain the water level that you want in the pond. The minimum water level in your pond would be giving you a worst case scenario for the volume of the water delivered to your house, if the source of water for your pond dries up for a while.
really it is amazing techno knowledge. I'M much interesting to know how it works. Where I can get these materials>
I see you are delivering water uphill. Will this work on the flat/ level ground from the ram? Or does the ram pump need this incline to create back pressure for the pump to work?
Thanks for sharing. I see you have iron in your water. Iron is great for us but hard on equipment. Great vid.
Thanks so much. Would it work if I used a 1/2 inch? I have about a 75 foot drop. about 45 deg angle of the land. I was thinking that if I built a smaller drive pipe I might be able to keep it running when the water slows down. I know the amt I would lift would be decreased.
@SaltyOldDawg I will be burying the homemade set up and also putting up a lean to to disguise the waste valve that makes all the noise. I am going to move the rife ram 2" setup down stream and use the creek water to drive teh pump to pump my spring water in a doubleacting ram setup - That will be buried. I have tried so many arrangements and diff. types of ram that I have left the pipes exposes for experimenting. Thanks! Your WROL point is well taken!
sir can i use a ram pump like this under 4 meters of flowing water? ( what will be the effect on waste valve function 4 meter under water?)
good job. What a preasure?
Is it the moving water that keeps them from freezing
My question is, how do we get water flowing into the Ram pump from a stagnant pond?
Can we use a siphon method from the pond into the drive pipe,will it flow ?
Thanks
@BrownDogDuke Thanks! Well pumps video series in about a month.
Good Job Sara , Moral Support !
do we need to cover the upper check valve?
Just came along your video that is really cool, One simple question though is what are you pumping the water for? I understand it will pump it higher than the source but seems like a lot of work to pump it out of a tree. I did here you mention you were going to pump it up to the house, just curious for what?
I am going to have to install a weir, but have to find out if there is anyone upstream that will be adversely affected
@engineer775 @engineer775 Are you running the rams in series or parallel? (increased pressure or flow rate?) Also, if you are going for flow rate, what is your velocity like? (any friction loss or blown fittings?)
When you connect two ram pumps in parallel as you have done isn't better to install a check valve on the discharge of that old pump upstream of the isolation valve?
Great videos.I watched them all and enjoyed them very much.However there is something that is bothering me towards the end of the part 3 when you show the pond and the drive pipes.The visible one looks like it is below the ram pumps or are my eyes deceiving me.I knpw water can't run up hill so you could explain this . Thank you
At 5:20 he states that he has no stand pipes.
I thought you covered it before so I'll go back and look but wondering why you went from plastic to metal and then back to plastic, why you didn't use plastic all the way. Seems like it would have been quieter too, if you didn't want others to know you had it running.
Can't wait until you do the homemade deep well pump series. I'm wanting to put one down inside the casing with my deepwell pump.
just a thought...trying not to draw attention your way. Maybe a sound dampening housing for the pump and noodles for the drive pipe.
Isn't gravity great?
Very cool,, you can really hear that galvanzed pipe ring out, plastic would be much quieter no???
can you reclaim or re-circulate the water from the impetus valve ? And what would be a good method or doing so ?
I live in Michigan and I'm planning on using this for a SHTF community. Will this work in the winter if it's constantly used?
If my flow is 1 Gallon per minute what size pipe should I use? Does the drive pipe need to be full of water or just have water rolling down the pipe? Would you control the flow out, thus back up the flow by twisting the gate valve so it opens and shuts less times to back the water up the pipe? If I had a spring with tons of water I would not worry about the pipe not being full of water. Thanks
Will this work in a creek with a variable depth? Also, no way of damming up the creek...Can a ram pump be submerged? I am looking for a way to move water up a 40ft hill without electricity.
are you planning on building an insulated pump house over them?....keep from freezing and could muffle the sound....great vid
Very cool man!!! I was curious if you planned on leaving those pipes exposed or not. Reason I ask is in the event of a WROL situation that "ping" sound may invite unwanted guests. Or....would you have anything against running all poly pipe like the black sprinkler pipe only larger? Nice job! Love the video! :o)
Better to make a DIY waste valve instead of swing valve, more lift and more water delivered because it can adjusted to longer cycle or can put weight. Try to see Buhomir Stehlik video on how to make a customized waste valve.
I know it is unrelated but what do you think about the gasification potential for leaves and tree litter?
woops guess I should have looked at part one first!
So how do you adjust the output flow ?
@engineer775 will these pumps work with all of the ways the run water
Is there any way to recover or prevent all the waste? it seems like a lot.
Hey Engineer 775.
I have a spring that usually puts out 1 to 5 gal per minute. In the bad drought a few years back it dropped to 1 cup per minute. the spring flows into a burred 2000 gallon tank that I pump to my home up the hill for water. My concern is that I may not have enough water. If the spring slows down and is not enough to pump the ram would it start back when the flow increases or would I have to push in the flapper gate?
That little heart beat in the rubber coupling is a loss in energy. Having it installed anywhere in the drive line will cause it.
Would you install those rubber couplings where you installed those steel unions near the pumps? That is what i am saying, it is no different if you use them anywhere on the driveline.
I know you said people tell you how to make more efficiency, but if you clamp the drive pipes solid to concrete footings running along it you convert more energy thru the pump. Or at least like you said bolt the pump to huge concrete slab, but then also i am saying then the entrance of the drive pipe mounted to huge slab/or rock, and a few places along the way in the middle.
Thanks for sharing, nice job parts 1, 2, and 3.
how come you need to close your out side valve first?
@engineer775 will the ram pump work when i use the spring check valve
In part two of the series, the air chamber you used was about a foot long. The air chamber in this video is considerably larger. How does the chamber's size effect performance? As the size of the chamber is altered, does the percentage of foam in chamber change as well?
What delivery rate were you able to achieve with the diy pump?
I'd really like to know this too.
@johnnytheprick Glad to hear what you'd hardly call it. I am thinking about not seeing it seep back into the ground or evaporating and having to expend time or energy pumping it twice.
If you have to take unit unpart later, how do you turn off? I would put the turn off valves outside of universal joins, not inside.
Why is my valve not opening it stays close when i tried it.. where could be the problem? it looks exactly the same.. but i just used a softdrink plastic bottle for the pressure tank... help pls.. tnx sir!!!
It seems you could pipe your water coming from your waste valve, further down the hill, and then run another (smaller) pump from that. Have you ever seen or tried something like that?
Can the water coming out of the rams be piped to the stream instead of flowing over the anchor base?
winterisation i live in michigan freezing is big opps on pipes ???
Two questions. Did you have to get a permit? Is this water source registered with the county?
hello eng 775 I have a ? I have 20 acres with high land and about a 60 ft drop to very wet land the drop is pretty steep but can be traveled any suggestions on how to get water up to the upper end with out power and little money. I know will have ? so fire away.
Is there any way to build these where it doesn't have water spraying out on every pump?
@engineer775 i have a problem, mine it stay closed, i made the same ram pump but with PVC cause its a project.
When it turns bitter cold will the ice build up so much at the splash out valve that it will shut it down?.....Or is it something that you have to maintain from building up?.....
Sample the sound of them running in tandem and one could make a fat beat with that!
If I want to keep the ram 365 days 24hr non stop can I just install an overflow pipe on my water tank and channel it back to the creek?
Been a long time since you asked this, but yes
Is there a way to install the Ram system in A wide enough well ?
Watched on 20Aril2023, all this is very interesting!
I need about 350' of drive pipe. The 1 1/4 inch needs a stand pipe between 15.4
and 100 + feet. Can I use the galvanized pipe to and including the stand pipe and make the rest PVC? Its my understanding the water hammer quits at the stand pipe. Thanks.
I just built it and the water hammer does quit at the standpipe. Used Flex hose before the standpipe and
it works great.
could you put the pressure tank between the two check valves just wondering
+allenbrian72 NO ! and Yes : you could but the pressure tanks are more efficient the closer they are to the supply valve.
EXPLANATION: the further from the supply valve; the more ram pressure is needed to get that static line of water moving into the air tank. Deeper explanation: If your air tank is ten feet from supply valve: Imagine your waste valve slams shut, now the pressure created has to move a ten foot long line of water that is standing still. The static water has NO inertia, this means the ram pressure needs to bring that 10 foot line of water up to speed before water can enter the supply line and/or the pressure tank.
NOW imagine your air tank is only one foot away from the supply valve, The waste valve slams shut and it only needs to move one foot of static water in order to force water into the air tank and supply lines.
Summary: The closer your air tank is to the supply check valve - the more efficient the pump will work.
Great job. What a a snifter hole. Yours doesn't seem to have one but all the literature says you need to have one. Why does yours not need one. And can you get larger water weeney for hte close form stryfroam. thx
Is it necessary that the water source is higher than the ramp pump?
Hi, my Dad and I built a ram pump and my creek which has solid flow doesn't have more than maybe 2 feet of drop. How can I increase pressure or cheat or add more drop to engage the ram pump? We have 1 inch I coming and 1/2 inch outgoing size pipes. We got it work by cutting with a bucket with a hole in bottom on the bank but that isn't feasible at all. We just wanted to make sure the ram worked. How can we gain more drop in a fairly level creek sec Mario??
Kermit Belvedere stand pipe?
can one put a ram pump down flow from a harris pelton hydro turbine and pump the water back into a holding tank than down to the hydro turbine again and on and on.
im kind of disappointed, yes it doesn't need electricity to pump up the water but it wastes some water during the process. is there any way the bleed valve be removed or is it an essential part of the pump? can there be a way to save the water coming out of the bleed valve?
It's not wasted. The bleed water would have flowed down whatever stream or river it came from anyway. All yo are doing is borrowing it for a few moments to capture its energy and use it to pump a smaller volume to a greater height.
U said you would give adjustment advice I don,t see it
Good info on the first 2 videos but this one REALLY made us dizzy. You talked about opening up outside valve but never said by how much or what we should be considering when looking at the pressure gauge and adjusting the valve.
Is there a way to eliminate waste flow from the pump? If the waste line was to be encapsulated by a tank of some kind so that the waste line let water build in the tank would the pump still continue to operate?
Good question. The answer is maybe. The waste valve needs to open at atmospheric pressure. If you dug a large hole and put in a tank to catch the waste water below the waste valve, then the waste water could be collected until the tank was full. The waste valve couldn't be encapsulated in the tank that you propose because as that tank filled it would tend to keep the waste valve in the closed position because of static head pressure. A system like you propose would soon stop running when the waste valve stops cycling.
Have you ever thought of using the ram pump to fill a water tower and have the level of the water raze a float valve to operate an actuator to empty the water into a hydro electric generator and then back to your pond?
Can i make a 1 inch ram pump and reduce it to 1/2 inch???
raul antonio alonzo Sure - just remember that the smaller your drive pump and delivery pipe, the lower your gallons per minute will be.
hello amigo is there a posibiity to avoid losing the 90% of the water? like a perpetual montion?
Not in this part of the multiverse.
Hi there, i am thinking to try to build a portable ram pump, the idea is to pump water from a glacier fed river up about 20ft to the forest above the bank, i am only looking to pump a very minimal amount of water., it is for a small cooling system. Since the river has some velocity could i get away without using steel pipe and could i have a very short feed? I want to build the system as compact as possible so we can quickly and easily install, as it will only get used for one night occasionally
@izzzzzz6 The most important factor in a ram pump is the drop in elevation from the start of your drive pipe, to where the ram is located. The rivers flow or speed doesn't matter, it's the velocity and backpressure in your drive pipe (and no air) to create the water hammer effect. I explain it in more detail in my video of one we built with only 4 feet of drop. Check it out and search for "Camo ram pump" it's cool and has 480 gal per day!
@baldilocks23 Sorry won't work. you need a drive pipe for each ram. you can have one common delivery but not a common drive. The rebounding effect on the drive side of multiple rams cannot be coordinated and therefore the pressure spikes you need when you need them are interfered with by the operation of the other rams. Again - muiltple drives - common delivery. Great question and yes I have tried it myself. Didn't work.
@robot797 That doesn't really matter, Once it's started, it will never quit. It's not like you have to start it every day...
How long your drive pipe? It seems quite far away? Is it okey if i installed drive pipe long for about 300 ft?
Check out part 1, he talks about drive pipe length