The Bleach end was legendary for all the wrong reasons. It would be like GRRM publishing the last book of ASOIAF and it being a hundred page speedrun. Bleach is the reason there was panic after Wano that Oda was about to set off a similar final arc speedrun.
A huge problem with bleach was kubos health at the time and Shonen jump trying to end it. There really was no time get a proper ending. They have already said we are getting new additions in the anime.
It's not the only problem with Bleach. Bleach along the whole series has a problem of storytelling. Nonsensical characters. Exposition dump villain dialogs all over the place. I am not shitting on everything. The battles were absolutely great. The concepts were great, like the whole Soul Society as a concept is dope. The Hueco Mundo as a concept is cool. Aizen as a concept is cool. Etc etc even Ywach. But when it comes to the execution of the idea, you get flaws all over the place. Soul society is the most polished arc out of them all. Its only problems would be to understand why captains fight each other over barely anything for no reason. Yamamoto doesn't look to care that much that Gin and Itsugaya are trying to kill each other. Or that Kenpachi does whatever he wants. Also Mayuri just casually blows up his own section with explosives. Also the slapstick comedy all over the place that prevents character depth at instances. Hueco Mundo: basically all the arrancars felt more or less half useless, because Aizen has a ridiculous power. He can defeat almost everyone by himself. His power, downgrades the value of the Hueco Mundo as a whole. 1000 years blood war : the 1st half, great. And as soon as we get the middle of the fights. There are lieutenants unbearable of Yhwach. The obligatiry tsundere characters with barely any cloths. Some random ass lieutenants with no hope of backstories. And you jump from battles to battles that you don't care about for half of them. Then it goes downhill. You get the elite guard of Yhwach. And they just can't freaking die. They have long ass fights were everyone throw one after the other there attack in them, so Kubo can check all the movesets he had to uncover before the ending. And it is sooo long. The Valkyrie dudez was f*cking annoying. Same for the holy chicken dude. The poison guy that cannot stop talking also. And you get magic asspulls to solve problems. The final fight against Yhwach is probably a mastery of how to not handle the tension well. It is laughable for Ichigo. The big bad guys never explained his plan until the very very end. Before that you have no f*cking idea what they want to do in place of the Soul Society. You have a whole collection of underused characters: Ishida, also the blond guy second in command next to Yhwach (Jugram?), Ishida's dad (Spoken?), Ichigo's dad, Grimmjow, half of the vizards too, among then Shinji, still getting clowned on. The lieutenant of Tousen's division (the dude with the tatoo 69 on his face) also didn't do much. Chad, Orihime as well. You take that and also the fact that Kubo never really explored fully the depth of his own universe. He never explained well what was the deal with the great family of the soul society. Or what was the soul king. Or the chamber of the 42. The whole society of the Soul Society as an organization is vague until the end of the maga. It is a nonsense. And you get the answers finally in can't fear your own world. That takes place after the end of the manga. It is a masterclass of how to not handle well your own universe 101. Overall the writting of the story is half good and half bad. Then you have cool concepts, not greatly fleshed out, and absolutely cool fights scenes with also under used cast = you get the manga Bleach.
When I read through bleach in 2018 it was an odd middle ground of knowing people didn't like the ending but it being so long since it happened that no one cared to spoil it or say how they felt. Watching stuff like Tekking and King Of LIghtning's chapter reviews of the time really put into perspective how crazy it must've been for every SJ fan that read it around that time like Morj said💀
@@Cyphrumcompletely on Kubo BTW. He chose to write his story with 80 gajillion characters and no way to resolve conflicts except through 1v1s that go for 10 chapters each
Yu Yu Hakusho had the best ending for a shonen. What Morj is criticizing is the climax. The final arc did a great job setting up this dangerous world it'd been building up to, with political intrigue and getting to know the backstories of Hiei and Kurama. Togashi had to wrap it up because of his health, but what happens after is everyone gets a fairly happy ending. Yusuke comes to term with who he is and decides the most important thing is his responsibility towards his friends and family, that's a fantastic message for young boys (the target demographic of shonen) to aspire towards, since they'll have to be like Yusuke someday. "I want to stop, and grow up a bit".
@@matthewcheng4158 naww, theres way too much things left unanswered to end it there. I think that its only the kaguya thing that was possibly extra and unnecessary
@Matthew Cheng Nah Madara was definitely planned. Pain was a direct lead into Madara. Kazuya was a last minute ass pull tho. She could've easily been introduced as a new threat in Boruto, that way Naruto gets its satisfactory ending with Madara/Sasuke finale fight.
Morj is right on the money about the Bleach ending in 10 chapters thing, when I heard it was happening I pretty much speed read the ending and even I thought it was rushed
it's weird how Kingdom is so great and so long-running and yet it took me forever to hear about it, let alone read it, and I know basically no one who has actually read it. It's so niche for something with a number of chapters on the scale of One Piece. At least with Ippo, I know people who read it...
@Aiden well that’s not fair because it isn’t even sold out here. It’s definitely sold more than Berserk. Berserk isn’t close. It’s also sold more than Hunter x Hunter, Yu Yu Hakusho, Fullmetal Alchemy and My Hero Academia
Lel, they are completely different series, it would make absolutely no sense for OP to have an AoT ending, it won't happen. And the AoT ending is great btw completely underrated cause it was a bit rushed and people didn't understand most of it
Really interesting thoughts and perspectives on the Big 3 Morj. I think while One Piece was always the better series between the 3, it's become King really because it's the last man standing between itself, Naruto and BLEACH, like you I'm hoping One Piece will show without a shadow of a doubt it's always been the better of the 3 by it's end. Also, I really LOVED your take on BLEACH, like you I was a colossal BLEACH fan but the last arc really has made me so very bitter and jaded towards Kubo. Kubo is beyond talented and in the final arc he let fans and himself down most of all immeasurably. The Thousand Year Blood War Arc as a result of the anime is enjoying revisionist history amongst anime mainly consumers and only the most cultist of BLEACH thralls, like you said wait til the 2nd half is released then the community will regain it's sanity and remember why BLEACH is ultimately maligned and rightly so. I love the content as always Morj, keep it up.
The anime also changed a lotta stuff in the first half, don't be so sure the anime will do things exactly the same way when Kubo himself didn't like the way the final arc ended (minus the epilogue chapter), so you can guarantee it'll change stuff for the second half, at least in terms of execution.
I heard that the anime ending of Yu Yu Hakusho was better than the manga one, just to let you know, and Bleach anime is very likely to expand the ending of Bleach from what I’ve heard from the production.
I read a book with an ending worse to Yuyuakusho. The main character comes face to face with the final bad guy and the there's no fight. He just days in his head " I can win this fight too". The end Fight for the whole universe with the bad guys whos been hyped up all series.
@Blood in the Water It was a korean novel (it now has a manwha adaptation. It's not like at 30% of the story I guess. ) named: *The tutorial is too hard* I had a good start. It loved it from 20% to 60%. After that the quality started to lower but I kept reeding it. However, the fact that they didn't show the final fight, or even start it. Or show the post story really left a bad taste in my mouth.
There are a lot of great stories if you know when to stop reading. Yu Yu Hakusho has arguably the best tournament arc in manga. Naruto Konha Crush is an adrenaline rush of adventure. Shippuden was pretty unnecessary in hindsight. There was lore that could have been better dropped in a diff format. It didn't warrant a weekly series. Kishimoto also seemed to rewrite the end when we was unsatisfied with Madura. Kaguya should have been left for another saga much later in the timeline.
Wdym Shippuden was unnecessary? Parts of it, like Kaguya, were unnecessary, but most of it felt like a natural continuation of the preceding story. My main problem is that Kishimoto couldn't figure out who the final villain should be. At the start of the war, Obito looks like the big bad. Then, it shifts to Madara, who I still don't get why Naruto fans say he's such a good villain. Obito was a far more interesting villain than Madara, who came off as a walking power level. And then, literally out of nowhere, Zetsu of all people stabs Madara, reveals that he was supposedly behind all of shinobi history, and revives Kaguya. Imagine if Caribou stabbed Blackbeard and revived Im, and that we'd barely heard of Im before that point. That is how dumb the Kaguya twist is.
i just think the primary reason people dont like series endings to most anime is because of the magnitude of influence they had and the enjoyment that was derived by them. It is difficult to put a proper end to a story that could have ended in so many ways and people didnt want to end in the first place. One piece is just way too big and it has been going for so long at the top that I genuinely believe people will complain no matter what the ending is, even if the quality of writing, art, and development of the story is as competent as the rest of the series. So people will start nitpicking every aspect of everything because the head cannon they built up over the years isn't coming to fruition and the outrageous theories that youtubers and other influencers throw out there seemed more compelling because it's what developed their beliefs of the course of the series before it happened. The same can be said about luffy gear 5th even because there was so many goddamn theories of gear 5th and what it was supposed to be so there was such a large part of the community that was not very receptive to the awakening even though it's objectively creative and well done. It was what oda had been building up for 25 years and it wasn't enjoyed by all primarily bc there were those who had influenced and implanted their own theories and ideas to the community prior to its reveal. Followed by a wave of disappointment when those crazy expectations didn't become a reality.
Bruh avatar fans are so annoying. They believe their story is the best ever and they believe zuko had the greatest character arc in fiction. Like all of character writing peaked with Zuko and nothing good has happened since. And when you give them examples of character arcs from other media it turns out they have basically seen no other show.
I understand that can get annoying but it’s also understandable for avatar fans particularly because everyone peaked, also zuko doesn’t have the best character in the show even he just has one of the best redemption arcs in fiction (not best I can name better)
@Blood in the Water actually good anime that is extremely popular but most of its FaNs actually don't even know music that deeply in general hell they barely actually understand Naruto itself It's just universally agreed that is cool to like Nirvana so they go along with it without actually even knowing and understanding Naruto that deeply Unfortunately the Queens are probably the new Nirvana Also Nirvana like Naruto are legendary in their sector of expertise but they're overrated as peak when there's actually pink piece Floyd and led Hunter X Zeppelin
Nah for me the Naruto ending is garbage and just because it at least delivered the preditable doesn't make it any sort of "acceptable" imo, Bleach's and Yuyu's just managed to be worst somehow. If One Piece's ending is in that tier it would be the dissapointment of my life...
Naruto starts off good and dies… bleach starts off mid gets better then becomes terrible … Avatar does not hold up with adults… I am 40 and I tried to watch avatar with my kids and it was probably the lamest thing I have seen full of unoriginal tropes and boring characters… however I watch one piece today with my kids for the 3rd time and it holds up … forever
@@geekhammergamer1438 not sure what did he and you mean by "unoriginal tropes", but one piece takes a lot references from the legend/myth around IRL world, like from Japan ofc, then Greek Myth, then something like name of real life pirate, havent heard of op took reference from other manga.
@@geekhammergamer1438 my point was that avatar is one dimensional and just brought recycled old elements from Japanese anime to a western audiences for the first time. It does not play well on a second watch or for adults. You might think One piece has tropes but it is extremely original the story is dynamic and surprising… as well the tropes might seem old because in the 26 years those elements have been copied by so many others there are a few shonen tropes but it’s a far more dynamic and complex story that is also quite heavy and deep. I tried to give avatar a chance and finished the first season but it was easily predictable and boring
@@StardustMonkey saying atla is one dimensional or it recycled Japanese elements doesn't explain the issues. Elaborate on how Also atla also deal with deep topics like aang dealing with the fact his people died, us finding out how the fire nation took the southern water tribe benders into captivity. The earth kingdom have a secret police and hypnotizing it citizens. So to say one piece is more deep is not a good gage since both deal with similar topics.
That description of the Naruto ending sounded like Mob Psycho season 3 to me. It checked some of the major boxes of what we needed to see before the end of the series, but then everything else about the way it happened was anywhere from subpar to bad.
no offense but have you actually watched mob psycho season 3? as far as i know, you’re the only person i’ve ever heard say that mob psycho’s ending is subpar. that show is legendary not least for how well written it was from start to finish, imo mob psychos ending is the BEST anime ending i’ve ever watched
Wano was preaty bad yes but egghead has been picking things up and Oda seems to have learned from some of his mistakes Just cus wano wasn't good doesen't mean that One piece is going to be bad now
Wano wasnt up to snuff because it had to much going on that didn’t get satisfying conclusions. Not because it was a genuinely terrible, boring slog like the 1k year war arc or the Ninja War.
I’ve been listening to Morj’s opinions on Bleach for a while and I’m still struggling to agree with some of his points. Yeah it was rushed and definitely could’ve been done better but I don’t think it’s going to overly hated when the latter half of the season gets animated. Especially considering Kubo is filling in some of the scenes missing from the manga. Also it’s a bit disingenuous to claim that Naruto “at least checks off some of the boxes” without acknowledging that Bleach does as well. Not to the same level or standard but the ending wasn’t as bad as people believe imo
I don't know what kind of copium you're smoking. It was definitely that bad. Even if you personally didn't mind, the general discourse around it should have made it clear that the consensus was that Bleach went to shit.
@@mubarakusman9184 I mean it’s factually correct. The hate for bleach at the end of the manga was unanimous. It was literally bleach fans hating on it. The anime can still be saved if Kubo adds a LOT of more content in upcoming anime it but it was god awful ending in the manga.
I understand y u like one piece the adventure the different scenery and all but Naruto is jst very dark and empathetic and people like that rivalry plus the akatsuki we’re dope asf I like one piece but it’s too dragon ball z gotta wait like 5 episodes for the main fight the animation getting better but Naruto fighting was something different from every anime and with hands signs and ocular vision illusion like I feel like u need to watch the filler in the shippuden to get the understanding of all characters that’s wat make it tuff every one has a back story even the villains
I understand y u like Naruto the dark tone, rivalry’s and all but one piece manga is also dark like Naruto manga only difference is anime to anime one piece doesn’t holds back a little while naruto completely censured it. Naruto is great but it’s to dragon ball z boom boom with giant avatars, god eyes, aliens and rasengan. Gotta wait actually 6 months for filler to end until we see madara get one shot by zetsu. And the inconsistency with animation like with sasuke vs orochimaru in part 1 then part 2 and the whole fight of Naruto vs pain while one piece stayed consistent until now when it changed but kept it like that and whenever it changed it actually fit the story other than sasuke breaking his neck, and the fact you need to watch filler to understand side characters is sad since one piece has way lager cast and barley any fillers yet oda is called the god of foreshadowing because he cares about his world not just Naruto and sasuke
I saw someone in chat say the shippuden was trash from the beginning. That person shouldn't have anime opinions. The only reason why the end with Kaguya is bad because he couldn't figure out how to kill madara. If madara was the true villain of the show and naruto and sasuke sealed madara I feel like the ending would have been perfected. Bleach was the only big 3 anime I don't like. Not saying it's bad or anything. I just can't get into it. I really don't understand how people can't hate naruto. For those who say "fillerto" just leave. You can skip the filler and the filler ain't that bad until the war arc. Most of those who say fillerto are people who only say because it's trendy or people who have seen it when it was out weekly. Morj talked about this but onepiece is definitely worse because the filler happens during the episode instead of having its own episode dedicated to filler. Most of the time it's zoro getting loss and reconnecting the the crew so we just wasted 10 minutes watching zoro get lost but when he gets back the story continues as if nothing happened. If that's the case then what's the point of him getting lost if it doesn't add anything to the story. (I'm mainly taking this from dressrosa) there were a lot of times where the focus was put on zoro or someone else getting lost or fighting and it doesn't do anything besides slow the story down.
One Piece fell off horribly after that horrendous ending of Wano I dropped it after following it for 9 years Naruto manga had a great and wholesome ending chapter 700 Bleach haven’t finished reading it but currently in the final arc and it’s great One Piece used to be top 1 for me but last few years it fell down for me
Yeah I guess as it was a new experiment and predecessor for a different arc style like how dressrossa was. I guess this kind of mixed feeling can be expected from a lot of readers
How was ending of wano bad we got more shanks and greenbull scenes we’ve been waiting for and more secrets to void century with pluton the only thing bad was Yamato and momo not joining Naruto ending with chapter 699 is wholesome indeed that ended naruto and sasuke character arcs what it means to be a ninja but chapter 700 was just fan service to give the viewers the chance to see Naruto become hokage since you can’t be hokage if your dumb and unwise at 17 and most of it was just showing the kids and boruto being a clone of Naruto (tho now we know he’s not)
@TottallyAtopiaYT well I know that you dropped one piece but I just wanted to let you know that the current arc is really good and has some of the answers that we wanted so yeah if you think that you could spend some of your time I would say that it is worth it especially since you are sayiNg that you were following it for 9 years
The Bleach end was legendary for all the wrong reasons. It would be like GRRM publishing the last book of ASOIAF and it being a hundred page speedrun. Bleach is the reason there was panic after Wano that Oda was about to set off a similar final arc speedrun.
Luckily GRRM won't finish the last book of ASOIAF so fans of that series won't know the pain of a bad ending😂😢
@@TonySharkks The show exists 😭
@@TonySharkks lmao I'll read it
@@TonySharkks Winds of winter is not happening just like aoe in attack on titan
What is GRRM and ASOIAF
A huge problem with bleach was kubos health at the time and Shonen jump trying to end it. There really was no time get a proper ending. They have already said we are getting new additions in the anime.
It's not the only problem with Bleach.
Bleach along the whole series has a problem of storytelling. Nonsensical characters. Exposition dump villain dialogs all over the place.
I am not shitting on everything. The battles were absolutely great. The concepts were great, like the whole Soul Society as a concept is dope. The Hueco Mundo as a concept is cool. Aizen as a concept is cool. Etc etc even Ywach.
But when it comes to the execution of the idea, you get flaws all over the place.
Soul society is the most polished arc out of them all. Its only problems would be to understand why captains fight each other over barely anything for no reason. Yamamoto doesn't look to care that much that Gin and Itsugaya are trying to kill each other. Or that Kenpachi does whatever he wants. Also Mayuri just casually blows up his own section with explosives. Also the slapstick comedy all over the place that prevents character depth at instances.
Hueco Mundo: basically all the arrancars felt more or less half useless, because Aizen has a ridiculous power. He can defeat almost everyone by himself. His power, downgrades the value of the Hueco Mundo as a whole.
1000 years blood war : the 1st half, great. And as soon as we get the middle of the fights. There are lieutenants unbearable of Yhwach. The obligatiry tsundere characters with barely any cloths. Some random ass lieutenants with no hope of backstories. And you jump from battles to battles that you don't care about for half of them.
Then it goes downhill. You get the elite guard of Yhwach. And they just can't freaking die. They have long ass fights were everyone throw one after the other there attack in them, so Kubo can check all the movesets he had to uncover before the ending. And it is sooo long. The Valkyrie dudez was f*cking annoying. Same for the holy chicken dude. The poison guy that cannot stop talking also. And you get magic asspulls to solve problems.
The final fight against Yhwach is probably a mastery of how to not handle the tension well. It is laughable for Ichigo.
The big bad guys never explained his plan until the very very end. Before that you have no f*cking idea what they want to do in place of the Soul Society.
You have a whole collection of underused characters: Ishida, also the blond guy second in command next to Yhwach (Jugram?), Ishida's dad (Spoken?), Ichigo's dad, Grimmjow, half of the vizards too, among then Shinji, still getting clowned on. The lieutenant of Tousen's division (the dude with the tatoo 69 on his face) also didn't do much. Chad, Orihime as well.
You take that and also the fact that Kubo never really explored fully the depth of his own universe. He never explained well what was the deal with the great family of the soul society. Or what was the soul king. Or the chamber of the 42. The whole society of the Soul Society as an organization is vague until the end of the maga. It is a nonsense. And you get the answers finally in can't fear your own world. That takes place after the end of the manga.
It is a masterclass of how to not handle well your own universe 101.
Overall the writting of the story is half good and half bad. Then you have cool concepts, not greatly fleshed out, and absolutely cool fights scenes with also under used cast = you get the manga Bleach.
@@fellowkrieger457 yea id definitely agree that it's far from perfect
When I read through bleach in 2018 it was an odd middle ground of knowing people didn't like the ending but it being so long since it happened that no one cared to spoil it or say how they felt.
Watching stuff like Tekking and King Of LIghtning's chapter reviews of the time really put into perspective how crazy it must've been for every SJ fan that read it around that time like Morj said💀
@@Cyphrumcompletely on Kubo BTW. He chose to write his story with 80 gajillion characters and no way to resolve conflicts except through 1v1s that go for 10 chapters each
Yu Yu Hakusho had the best ending for a shonen. What Morj is criticizing is the climax. The final arc did a great job setting up this dangerous world it'd been building up to, with political intrigue and getting to know the backstories of Hiei and Kurama. Togashi had to wrap it up because of his health, but what happens after is everyone gets a fairly happy ending. Yusuke comes to term with who he is and decides the most important thing is his responsibility towards his friends and family, that's a fantastic message for young boys (the target demographic of shonen) to aspire towards, since they'll have to be like Yusuke someday. "I want to stop, and grow up a bit".
I was very happy with the Naruto ending except for Kaguya replacing Madara. If only that was avoided, it would have been perfectly satisfactory.
I heard the pain arc was the real ending but the company wanted to continue to setup Baruto so I agreed the god thing was not the direction I wanted.
@@matthewcheng4158 Stop believing everything you see on the internet this shit was made up
@@matthewcheng4158 naww, theres way too much things left unanswered to end it there. I think that its only the kaguya thing that was possibly extra and unnecessary
@Matthew Cheng Nah Madara was definitely planned. Pain was a direct lead into Madara. Kazuya was a last minute ass pull tho. She could've easily been introduced as a new threat in Boruto, that way Naruto gets its satisfactory ending with Madara/Sasuke finale fight.
that and the super saiyan transformations naruto got
Morj is right on the money about the Bleach ending in 10 chapters thing, when I heard it was happening I pretty much speed read the ending and even I thought it was rushed
Kingdom is The King of Manga. One of The 4 Seinen King Manga.
it's weird how Kingdom is so great and so long-running and yet it took me forever to hear about it, let alone read it, and I know basically no one who has actually read it. It's so niche for something with a number of chapters on the scale of One Piece. At least with Ippo, I know people who read it...
Kingdom doesn't have an official english release right?
@@Chillaxorita it’s niche in the Anglo-sphere, but it is the best selling Seinen.
@Aiden I guess highest selling Seinen = unpopular
@Aiden well that’s not fair because it isn’t even sold out here. It’s definitely sold more than Berserk. Berserk isn’t close. It’s also sold more than Hunter x Hunter, Yu Yu Hakusho, Fullmetal Alchemy and My Hero Academia
As long as OP doesn't end like Attack on Titan, I will be happy with what ever we get
amen brother. i was there minute one when 139 dropped. never felt my heart sink deeper than that in my life.
AoT ending makes me lose hope for humanity, Eren should have eradicated all non Paradis if he wants to keep them safe
@@Travelling_Heart15 lmao
Lel, they are completely different series, it would make absolutely no sense for OP to have an AoT ending, it won't happen.
And the AoT ending is great btw completely underrated cause it was a bit rushed and people didn't understand most of it
@@Travelling_Heart15 This is why the AoT fandom is the worst and why the ending is so good, how can you guys say that with a straight face XD
Really interesting thoughts and perspectives on the Big 3 Morj.
I think while One Piece was always the better series between the 3, it's become King really because it's the last man standing between itself, Naruto and BLEACH, like you I'm hoping One Piece will show without a shadow of a doubt it's always been the better of the 3 by it's end.
Also, I really LOVED your take on BLEACH, like you I was a colossal BLEACH fan but the last arc really has made me so very bitter and jaded towards Kubo. Kubo is beyond talented and in the final arc he let fans and himself down most of all immeasurably. The Thousand Year Blood War Arc as a result of the anime is enjoying revisionist history amongst anime mainly consumers and only the most cultist of BLEACH thralls, like you said wait til the 2nd half is released then the community will regain it's sanity and remember why BLEACH is ultimately maligned and rightly so.
I love the content as always Morj, keep it up.
The anime also changed a lotta stuff in the first half, don't be so sure the anime will do things exactly the same way when Kubo himself didn't like the way the final arc ended (minus the epilogue chapter), so you can guarantee it'll change stuff for the second half, at least in terms of execution.
I heard that the anime ending of Yu Yu Hakusho was better than the manga one, just to let you know, and Bleach anime is very likely to expand the ending of Bleach from what I’ve heard from the production.
A wholesome ending? I’m surprised, but it’s a nice change of pace lol
I read a book with an ending worse to Yuyuakusho.
The main character comes face to face with the final bad guy and the there's no fight. He just days in his head " I can win this fight too".
The end
Fight for the whole universe with the bad guys whos been hyped up all series.
@Blood in the Water
It was a korean novel (it now has a manwha adaptation. It's not like at 30% of the story I guess. ) named:
*The tutorial is too hard*
I had a good start.
It loved it from 20% to 60%. After that the quality started to lower but I kept reeding it.
However, the fact that they didn't show the final fight, or even start it. Or show the post story really left a bad taste in my mouth.
i wonder how morj feel bout pronised neverland ending for both manga and anime he would find a new low from peak to trash
You spittin in this one Morj 😴
There are a lot of great stories if you know when to stop reading. Yu Yu Hakusho has arguably the best tournament arc in manga. Naruto Konha Crush is an adrenaline rush of adventure.
Shippuden was pretty unnecessary in hindsight. There was lore that could have been better dropped in a diff format. It didn't warrant a weekly series. Kishimoto also seemed to rewrite the end when we was unsatisfied with Madura. Kaguya should have been left for another saga much later in the timeline.
Fax dark tournament is the best imo and my second fav anime arc after marineford but sometimes I think their equal. Togashi and oda are goats man
should i read yuyuhakashou?
Wdym Shippuden was unnecessary? Parts of it, like Kaguya, were unnecessary, but most of it felt like a natural continuation of the preceding story. My main problem is that Kishimoto couldn't figure out who the final villain should be. At the start of the war, Obito looks like the big bad. Then, it shifts to Madara, who I still don't get why Naruto fans say he's such a good villain. Obito was a far more interesting villain than Madara, who came off as a walking power level. And then, literally out of nowhere, Zetsu of all people stabs Madara, reveals that he was supposedly behind all of shinobi history, and revives Kaguya. Imagine if Caribou stabbed Blackbeard and revived Im, and that we'd barely heard of Im before that point. That is how dumb the Kaguya twist is.
@@Relax_Rombey watch the dub anime
@@travisealy3512 is the dub better than the sun?
Morj you should let the @morjraiddiscussions8553 guy run this channel tbh
i just think the primary reason people dont like series endings to most anime is because of the magnitude of influence they had and the enjoyment that was derived by them. It is difficult to put a proper end to a story that could have ended in so many ways and people didnt want to end in the first place. One piece is just way too big and it has been going for so long at the top that I genuinely believe people will complain no matter what the ending is, even if the quality of writing, art, and development of the story is as competent as the rest of the series. So people will start nitpicking every aspect of everything because the head cannon they built up over the years isn't coming to fruition and the outrageous theories that youtubers and other influencers throw out there seemed more compelling because it's what developed their beliefs of the course of the series before it happened.
The same can be said about luffy gear 5th even because there was so many goddamn theories of gear 5th and what it was supposed to be so there was such a large part of the community that was not very receptive to the awakening even though it's objectively creative and well done. It was what oda had been building up for 25 years and it wasn't enjoyed by all primarily bc there were those who had influenced and implanted their own theories and ideas to the community prior to its reveal. Followed by a wave of disappointment when those crazy expectations didn't become a reality.
that is so true the reason most people didnt enjoy wanos ending was because they were influenced by the different theories
Shout out to the Morj Editors 🙌🏾💯
No shout out to Morj for disrespecting Yu Yu Hakusho. Watch ya mouth Morj
Bruh avatar fans are so annoying. They believe their story is the best ever and they believe zuko had the greatest character arc in fiction.
Like all of character writing peaked with Zuko and nothing good has happened since. And when you give them examples of character arcs from other media it turns out they have basically seen no other show.
I understand that can get annoying but it’s also understandable for avatar fans particularly because everyone peaked, also zuko doesn’t have the best character in the show even he just has one of the best redemption arcs in fiction (not best I can name better)
Naruto is the Nirvana of anime
@Blood in the Water actually good anime that is extremely popular but most of its FaNs actually don't even know music that deeply in general hell they barely actually understand Naruto itself
It's just universally agreed that is cool to like Nirvana so they go along with it without actually even knowing and understanding Naruto that deeply
Unfortunately the Queens are probably the new Nirvana
Also Nirvana like Naruto are legendary in their sector of expertise but they're overrated as peak when there's actually pink piece Floyd and led Hunter X Zeppelin
Oh shit new morg
How was yuyuhakushu ending bad yes it ended prematurely but it ended the theme of the story and then with happy ending (for anime)
The bleach ending was definitely rushed but i thought it was fine fr. I think he did the best he could with limited time he was given.
The only real One pIece challenge is HxH but hiatus happen.
And dragon ball z but well that died almost 30 years ago
For me my journey was Naruto bleach then the king one piece
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Nah for me the Naruto ending is garbage and just because it at least delivered the preditable doesn't make it any sort of "acceptable" imo, Bleach's and Yuyu's just managed to be worst somehow. If One Piece's ending is in that tier it would be the dissapointment of my life...
bleach is incredibly overrated
UNDERrated
It's underrated and didn't deserve its bad reputation
Naruto starts off good and dies…
bleach starts off mid gets better then becomes terrible …
Avatar does not hold up with adults… I am 40 and I tried to watch avatar with my kids and it was probably the lamest thing I have seen full of unoriginal tropes and boring characters… however I watch one piece today with my kids for the 3rd time and it holds up … forever
And one piece don't have unoriginal tropes?
@@geekhammergamer1438 not sure what did he and you mean by "unoriginal tropes", but one piece takes a lot references from the legend/myth around IRL world, like from Japan ofc, then Greek Myth, then something like name of real life pirate, havent heard of op took reference from other manga.
@@MisterBlaze21 idk either what he meant by "unoriginal tropes" cause one piece use a lot of the same tropes atla does too.
@@geekhammergamer1438 my point was that avatar is one dimensional and just brought recycled old elements from Japanese anime to a western audiences for the first time. It does not play well on a second watch or for adults. You might think One piece has tropes but it is extremely original the story is dynamic and surprising… as well the tropes might seem old because in the 26 years those elements have been copied by so many others there are a few shonen tropes but it’s a far more dynamic and complex story that is also quite heavy and deep. I tried to give avatar a chance and finished the first season but it was easily predictable and boring
@@StardustMonkey saying atla is one dimensional or it recycled Japanese elements doesn't explain the issues. Elaborate on how
Also atla also deal with deep topics like aang dealing with the fact his people died, us finding out how the fire nation took the southern water tribe benders into captivity. The earth kingdom have a secret police and hypnotizing it citizens. So to say one piece is more deep is not a good gage since both deal with similar topics.
That description of the Naruto ending sounded like Mob Psycho season 3 to me. It checked some of the major boxes of what we needed to see before the end of the series, but then everything else about the way it happened was anywhere from subpar to bad.
no offense but have you actually watched mob psycho season 3? as far as i know, you’re the only person i’ve ever heard say that mob psycho’s ending is subpar. that show is legendary not least for how well written it was from start to finish, imo mob psychos ending is the BEST anime ending i’ve ever watched
Morj unleashed quality got so bad.. it used to have better editing and all and vids more often
The One Piece ending will suck but people will defend it😊
yeah ill take your word for it
@ethantmarks1156 the One Piece will be a giant robot that looks exactly like Luffy
I feel like no matter what it is some people won't like it
probably, but it would be really hard to be worse than AoT or Bleach endings
Did people defend peak on titan
Whether you like it or not naruto ending is better than yu yu hakasho and bleach
After Wano how can you seriously say One Piece is the best? Are we that certain the final arc of One Piece will be good?
Yes
Wano was preaty bad yes but egghead has been picking things up and Oda seems to have learned from some of his mistakes
Just cus wano wasn't good doesen't mean that One piece is going to be bad now
Wano wasnt up to snuff because it had to much going on that didn’t get satisfying conclusions. Not because it was a genuinely terrible, boring slog like the 1k year war arc or the Ninja War.
I’ve been listening to Morj’s opinions on Bleach for a while and I’m still struggling to agree with some of his points. Yeah it was rushed and definitely could’ve been done better but I don’t think it’s going to overly hated when the latter half of the season gets animated. Especially considering Kubo is filling in some of the scenes missing from the manga. Also it’s a bit disingenuous to claim that Naruto “at least checks off some of the boxes” without acknowledging that Bleach does as well. Not to the same level or standard but the ending wasn’t as bad as people believe imo
I don't know what kind of copium you're smoking. It was definitely that bad. Even if you personally didn't mind, the general discourse around it should have made it clear that the consensus was that Bleach went to shit.
@@Chillaxorita cool story bro 👍🏽
Leach is mid
I think people were upset that characters like Tensei, visords, Hallibel, Chad, fullbringers, squad 0 didn't get much attention from Kubo.
@@mubarakusman9184 I mean it’s factually correct. The hate for bleach at the end of the manga was unanimous. It was literally bleach fans hating on it.
The anime can still be saved if Kubo adds a LOT of more content in upcoming anime it but it was god awful ending in the manga.
yuyu hakusho ending wasn't as bad as the last 3 aot chapters
Facts
I understand y u like one piece the adventure the different scenery and all but Naruto is jst very dark and empathetic and people like that rivalry plus the akatsuki we’re dope asf I like one piece but it’s too dragon ball z gotta wait like 5 episodes for the main fight the animation getting better but Naruto fighting was something different from every anime and with hands signs and ocular vision illusion like I feel like u need to watch the filler in the shippuden to get the understanding of all characters that’s wat make it tuff every one has a back story even the villains
I understand y u like Naruto the dark tone, rivalry’s and all but one piece manga is also dark like Naruto manga only difference is anime to anime one piece doesn’t holds back a little while naruto completely censured it. Naruto is great but it’s to dragon ball z boom boom with giant avatars, god eyes, aliens and rasengan.
Gotta wait actually 6 months for filler to end until we see madara get one shot by zetsu. And the inconsistency with animation like with sasuke vs orochimaru in part 1 then part 2 and the whole fight of Naruto vs pain while one piece stayed consistent until now when it changed but kept it like that and whenever it changed it actually fit the story other than sasuke breaking his neck,
and the fact you need to watch filler to understand side characters is sad since one piece has way lager cast and barley any fillers yet oda is called the god of foreshadowing because he cares about his world not just Naruto and sasuke
I saw someone in chat say the shippuden was trash from the beginning. That person shouldn't have anime opinions. The only reason why the end with Kaguya is bad because he couldn't figure out how to kill madara. If madara was the true villain of the show and naruto and sasuke sealed madara I feel like the ending would have been perfected. Bleach was the only big 3 anime I don't like. Not saying it's bad or anything. I just can't get into it. I really don't understand how people can't hate naruto. For those who say "fillerto" just leave. You can skip the filler and the filler ain't that bad until the war arc. Most of those who say fillerto are people who only say because it's trendy or people who have seen it when it was out weekly. Morj talked about this but onepiece is definitely worse because the filler happens during the episode instead of having its own episode dedicated to filler. Most of the time it's zoro getting loss and reconnecting the the crew so we just wasted 10 minutes watching zoro get lost but when he gets back the story continues as if nothing happened. If that's the case then what's the point of him getting lost if it doesn't add anything to the story. (I'm mainly taking this from dressrosa) there were a lot of times where the focus was put on zoro or someone else getting lost or fighting and it doesn't do anything besides slow the story down.
One Piece fell off horribly after that horrendous ending of Wano I dropped it after following it for 9 years
Naruto manga had a great and wholesome ending chapter 700
Bleach haven’t finished reading it but currently in the final arc and it’s great
One Piece used to be top 1 for me but last few years it fell down for me
Yeah I guess as it was a new experiment and predecessor for a different arc style like how dressrossa was. I guess this kind of mixed feeling can be expected from a lot of readers
How was ending of wano bad we got more shanks and greenbull scenes we’ve been waiting for and more secrets to void century with pluton the only thing bad was Yamato and momo not joining
Naruto ending with chapter 699 is wholesome indeed that ended naruto and sasuke character arcs what it means to be a ninja
but chapter 700 was just fan service to give the viewers the chance to see Naruto become hokage since you can’t be hokage if your dumb and unwise at 17 and most of it was just showing the kids and boruto being a clone of Naruto (tho now we know he’s not)
Wano is still better than essentially every arc of Naruto still. Your opinion is invalid
@TottallyAtopiaYT well I know that you dropped one piece but I just wanted to let you know that the current arc is really good and has some of the answers that we wanted so yeah if you think that you could spend some of your time I would say that it is worth it especially since you are sayiNg that you were following it for 9 years
Bleach, Toriko and AoT's are top3 on the list of dogshit endings. Compared to those 3, Naruto's ending looks like FMA to me.
Mans doesn’t rock with naruto cuz it was more popular to talk about then one piece for a while💀💀