Epiphone Les Paul Setup Part 3 - Action and the Intonation
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- Опубліковано 8 жов 2020
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Epiphone Les Paul Setup, Part 1 - Books and Tools
• Epiphone Les Paul Setu...
Epiphone Les Paul Setup Part 2 - Clean and Polish
• Epiphone Les Paul Setu...
Epiphone Les Paul Setup Part 3 - Action and the Intonation
• Epiphone Les Paul Setu...
Once the strings are on, we're going to stretch them, adjust the truss rod, adjust the action, then finally adjust the intonation. There are Amazon Affiliated links referenced in this video - if you purchase using one of these links, I will get a small commission, which helps the site keep making videos.
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Earlier last night, I was doing a quick intonation check 'cause my freakin' G string was out. I noticed the bridge saddle was already as far back as it could go. Reversing the saddle appeared it would give me more length, however, not being a certified technician and knowing the saddles are in that position for a reason, I was a little hesitant. Watching your video showed me it was OK to reverse the saddle. Thank You!
James Gregory
@Stratmancan
This was the best setup series I've seen. Especially regarding intonation. Seeing and hearing the adjustments made it all become much clearer to me.
Thanks!! Glad it was helpful.
Great video. Now on to try and setup my Epiphone Les Paul. More to follow.
thanks I was out of length to adjust my intonation turning the little wedge around..so easy. love my guitar now it sounds so much better.
Thanks. I had the same problem with my saddle being to far back. I thought about turning it around but wasn't sure. Now I am. Cheers!
My Epi Les Paul has been in storage for a few years. These videos have helped me so much to get it back up and running.
What a fantastic video of getting to know your guitar. I stumbled into your 3rd while researching how to do intonation, but I'll be going back and watching all of them. Thanks for making this!
Thanks for the video! Very easy to follow.
quality instruction. It helped my get my old used LP in perfect pitch.
Awesome video. Thank you.
Great videos, best guitar setup video on line, you explain all details and take your time, awesome.
Thanks! Glad you liked it. :)
Great job!
I have been playing guitar for over 20 years (but I’m mostly a drummer), and I even have two music degrees, but I’ve never set up my own guitar, lol. I have been needing someone to baby me through the steps. I am suddenly in a hurry to set up my guitar before my show after changing out my TonePros. I thoroughly appreciate your lengthy step-by-step instruction, and thoughtfully anticipating where someone might have questions for times like this when I have to admit where I’m lacking in knowledge and experience. 😊
Very helpful, thanks!
one of the best videos on this subject
Thanks!
Learnt so much from this and I have one identical. Thank you so much brilliant video
Great explanation ! Thanks a lot for doing this.
Thanks for watching! I appreciate it.
Thanks man, this was very helpful
During the intonation segment… ‘It’s not really rocket surgery, right?’ 😂😂😂 Cheers! Appreciate all the time you put into this video.
Excellent set up advice! I was able to set up my guitar better than the guy at my local music shop. I could probably teach him a few things now!
Well done for a nice friendly and human approach to guitar tips in imperial and metric measurements.
Keep up the good work.
Thank you! I appreciate it.
I love how you explain to make a string that has sharp intonation longer. Makes sense right. Longer, slower vibrations, lower pitch. Make it longer to move it from sharp to perfect intonation. Because once I watched a channel and the guy went on about L for left and R for... I dunno. Made very little sense and if you sat on the other side of the guitar it would be the opposite. He got so angry at me when I pointed out the logic of longer string, lower pitch. Thanks for making sense Richard 😊
Awesome, awesome, awesome!! Another essential upload for anybody who owns a guitar. I just had to do that to my Strat like an hour ago. Great job my friend!!
Thanks! Much appreciated.
Cool thx 👍
I like to take my string height measurements with the guitar up in playing position instead of flat. There can be a measurable difference in height just from that small change in neck tension.
You're right - that is definitely a better way to do it. It's a lot harder to do a close up video that way, though! :). But I probably should have mentioned that taking measurements in the playing position is more accurate.
Worked great, my friend, I'm obliged! I probably would have eventually reversed the saddle on my own at some point, however, it's done, no stress and all a result of about 1 minute from your video. I did have to recheck the vid 'cause my saddle screws have a thin wire holding the down all 6 screws and I didn't see you fuck around with this when removing the saddle, ya just pulled it out. Anyway, you're a godsend. Thanks!
James Gregory
@Stratmancan
Hi can you recommend the bridge you mentioned that gives you more room to adjust? for either Epiphone or Gibson.. Great Video thanks
The Gotoh GE103 Nashville Tuneomatic bridge gives you more adjustability than the standard bridge. On the more expensive side, the TonePros T3BT Tune-o-matic bridge also gives a wider adjustment range. I am not 100% certain that all Epiphone Les Pauls ever made have the exact same bridge width, so if you buy one, I'd be sure to buy from a place where you can send it back if it's not the right fit for you.
Also what would be the height of the string to the pick ups? Thanks for the help.
Fantastic series. Question.. does the setup apply to other electric guitars. I have a Epiphone SG. Do I use the same technique?
Yup, the same concepts apply. If it's an SG with a two piece bridge, like the Les Paul, then it's the exact same thing. If it's a once piece bridge like a junior, the concept is the same but they might not be as adjustable.
Great video and well worth watching but in part 2 you said that you would string the guitar in part 3 and that we'd see several ways to string the guitar. I guess you forgot and started the video after stringing. Maybe you could do a separate video on stringing and the knots or connections used to do it?
Sorry about that - yes, I will DEFINITELY do a video on stringing a guitar! Thank you for letting me know!
Ive turned my saddle around & it’s still not got enough travel to intonate properly, any advice?
Thanks, you've given me some optimism that I can get this Epiphone Les Paul custom I recently bought in tune. This guitar has been a nightmare. I even sent the guitar to their workshop in Tennessee under warranty to get it playable, and they sent it back still messed up and with a broken toggle switch cap, like if someone took a hammer to it like hitting a baseball, now I need to have the toggle switch replaced because when I'm switching in between pick-ups it's super noisy/annoying. F*ck Epiphone.
Dang, I thought I was the last dude with Alesis Monitor One’s…congrats
I have one of those Baroque tools and have crossed referred it with various measuring apparatus and found it to be unbelievably inaccurate.
EG 1.5mm block actually is over 1.8mm!
Can you email me a photo of the comparison? My email is richard at budget guitarist dot com (only not spelled out). I'm not being snarky - if the gauge truly is inaccurate, I want to know about it. I don't want to promote a bad product.
What's the difference between turning the top screw on the bridge to raise /lower the action or using the thumb wheel underneath?
There's no difference - they both do the job. But you're far more likely to scratch up the body messing with the thumb wheel if you're trying to raise the action, using pliers or something. Screw on top is safer.
What do you do if the intonation at the 12th fret on the G string is good, but the first five and the sixth fret’s are sharp. Is this possibly a nut adjustment issue?
Hello. Tks for the video. Quick question. I’ve intonated the string at the 12 fret, but other frets fail to intonate. Like if I play an A chord on the 2nd fret, it’s in tune, but on the 14th fret is not. Any suggestions? (Epiphone LP, ultra II)
Yes, there are solutions:
- First, on electric guitar, having high action is not an option in my opinion. You want string action low or medium at most. Otherwise if the strings are very high above the frets, fretting a note will make it too sharp and this will cause intonation problems. So if your guitar has a poor fret job across the fretboard and you can't set low action without a buzz, then it's a problem and you need to compromise. Good fret job allows for low action, that results in less intonation problems - that's what we pay for in higher end guitars. Anyway, if you can get low action, but the buzz is caused by your heavy handed playing, try keeping the low action and change your playing style to lighter and more ergonomic.
- Second, try using higher gauge strings. Maybe your guitar will gel better with them. They are stiffer, so they are more stable while fretting notes. If you are heavy handed and you don't want to change it, higher gauge strings might be a solution too.
- Third, be mindful about the force that you use while fretting down notes. It's possible to make every note sharp by pressing too hard. Electric guitars don't need hard strumming and hard fretting pressure. Also fretting notes in tune in high positions, where frets are very close to each other is a bit of a skill that guitar players develop with experience. Experiment with the amount of pressure and how you place your fingers while fretting in high positions.
- Fourth, guitars are organic. Every guitar is different. Also guitar tuning is imperfect by design. Setting intonation is a compromise. Set the intonation at the 12th fret perfectly and treat it as a starting point. Check how every string plays in low and high positions, using light fretting force and make some compromise. If a string plays fairly in tune in low and high position, but you achieved that by going a tiny bit off on 12th fret, do it.
I subbed. Great videos.
Thanks! I appreciate it.
Great explanation and you have a Buzzo Tee shirt!! Are you from upstate NY?
Yes! I grew up in Avon. In high school we used to ride our bikes to Buzzos, and I got my first electric guitar there. My band recorded demos in Gary Holt's studio when it was 8 tracks. Great memories!
Hi, when are we adjusting intınation is it very important to be one level ahead or behind on tuner indicator?
Ideally, you want the open string, the 12th fret harmonic, and the string pressed at the 12th fret to all be perfectly in tune. Some tuners make this difficult - the tuner on the HX Stomp is almost impossible to keep perfectly in the center! So you just get as close as you can.
What is a good measurement for the space between the bass strings and twelfth fret and the treble stings and the same. I heard you say under 80 for the bass side. What is the treble side action?
.060, or 60. I think 60 is a good low action. But ultimately it's up to the individual player.
I have that same Cop Puppet. Hilarious thing
Yeah, I love him. I have the King, too. :)
17:49 what is that wire kinda looks like a spring how does it go back?
What was the feeler gauge thickness you used for measuring neck straightness?
.010
Not sure if I'm getting the intonation right. I am on the low e and the indication was I was sharp. Made the adjustment all the way to the bottom and its still sharp. There is not block to turn. Its a les paul special ll. I am pressing in the middle of the 12th fret and my tuner says sharp.# I am using an app on my i phone for tuning?
If you want to, email me a picture of the bridge and I'll have a look at it. It's richard@budgetguitarist.com.
Is that a Casio CDP-100 we see in the background?
YES! Good catch. I bought it years ago and I've done tons and tons of gigs with it, even though it was designed for home use. These days I use it as a MIDI controller and I use sounds from MainStage. And if my computer decides to crap out at a gig, I can use the piano and the Rhodes in the Casio to at least finish the gig. I'm covering the logo but not because want to hide it - it was just easier that way.
Do you have to adjust the intonation again when you replace the strings?
Nope. I guess if you went from 8's to 12's, you might need to, but if you keep the same string gauge you're fine.
how high should the string actions be ? (at 12th fret )
Depends on how hard you play, and how low you like the action. I set mine what I would call "reasonably low" - the low E is .080 and the high E is .060. It's not super low, but it feels good to me. I don't like it any higher than that.
With the newer epiphones, I'm able to keep them close to my Gibs 4/64s & 3/64s with as straight a neck as I can.
String action ruler was one of the best purchases I've made. That and the tool set that comes with Gibsons.
Good video/ series.
Thanks! And I'm impressed you got your Epi to work with the strings that low. That's really low! My older Epiphones buzz like mad at those heights. Maybe I need to sell them and get a newer Epiphone! I'm jealous. :)
What do I do if I can't lower the action any further and it's too high?
Not much you can do, at that point. If the neck has too much bow, tightening the truss rod can have the effect of lowering the action a little bit. If the nut is too high, cutting the slots a little deeper can lower the action. But I'm not aware of any les paul bridges that are more shallow. My guess would be that a repair would cost the same or more than just buying another Epi Les Paul used. Best bet would be to ask a professional guitar repair person. There might be a more shallow bridge out there that I'm not aware of.
Do you have the link of part 1 and 2?
I've just added them to the description - if you reload the page and click "Show More," you should see them. Great suggestion - I'm going to do that for my other videos today!
@@budgetguitaristcom Thank you. Watched all.. Help a lot. I am setting up my Epi 1959 LP Ltd so this really helped. Dont have car so I dont want to carry back to dealer, its heavy😊 but great Epi. Of course not even close to the real thing Gibson.
silly question why are you not using a capo at the first fret to chk string action at the 12 fret isnt the 1st fret supposed to be pressed down and then chk with action gauge at the 12th fret
It's not a silly question - it's a good one! You don't capo the first fret to check the action at the 12th fret because it'd screw up your measurements. The standard (the way the pros do it) is to check the action without a capo. When you look at a string gauge tool, the suggested numbers they give you assume the string is open when you measure. Capos are used on the first fret when checking the straightness of the neck.
@@budgetguitaristcom hmmmm....chk out a video on music nomad setup kit.....that's why I asked bcus they use a pick to depress the low e string at the 1st fret I set up all my guitars with this kit and I did as instructed by the guys in video and the booklet that comes with the kit.....all my guitars now play and sound absolutely awesome compared to factory setups....string action height is the video
@@johnvalderrama9339 I don't know what using a pick to depress the low e string means, but if you do a search for stewmac string action gauge on UA-cam, you'll see how the biggest luthier supply company in the country recommends checking string height. I've never met a luthier who does it any other way.
did i miss something why is your saddle with the screws towards the pick ups.
Easier to adjust the screws that way. And each individual saddle can face either direction regardless, to adjust for intonation.
Did I miss the video where he taught the various ways to string the guitar?
why take it out ? you can turn the screw without the need for this..?? When adjusting intonation
The saddle is angled on one side, and flat on the other. If the flat side isn't facing the back of the bridge, and you need to move the saddle toward the back as far as you can to get correct intonation, you can remove the saddle and reverse it.
Im 55 and I can see text on my phone just fine, but guitar string measurement....LOL
Mixed metaphors “rocket surgery” aka rocket science and brain surgery. 😊
How did puppet boi no it was Friday
He didn't. He just knew that we always put out the videos on Fridays at 5 pm, so he pretended it was Friday when we shot the footage. Tony is smart, for a puppet.
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Why doesn’t Epiphone setup their guitars at the factory?
A good question. Guitar makers do "sort of" set up their instruments at the factory, but they set them up with the action higher than most players would like. I think this is because they don't want anyone playing the guitar in a store and having the strings buzz. Also, when a guitar is packed, stored in a warehouse, shipped to another country, stored in another warehouse, and shipped to a store, the wood can swell or shrink by a very tiny amount - but enough to affect the neck. Most new guitars actually do need a setup, although some places do it for you.
I though that was Chef Pee Pee!
"see how this works".......NO!
How about--step1.) raise bridge, 2.) de-tune, 3.) turn saddle screw(s) clockwise or counter clockwise 4.) tune to high e harmonic, adjust saddle screw
Your video, while good, is confusing. Where is the starting point? Removing a saddle?? What if I told you my Epi LP saddles cannot be removed?
The only truthful statement-Gibson LP is not the same as an Epiphone LP.
I'll need to watch this a few more times to weed out the "fluffy" statements and try to get an order of adjustments I have to make
Rocket surgery? 😃
I could have said Brain Science, but Rocket Surgery sounds better...