People make it past Paul early on, Rudy being a creep, embrace the character growth, and THEN get mad when Rudy slips up (like all people do) when he is not in a great state of mind. This should be the last great normie filter.
I guess every creepy/disgusting moment in Mushoku Tensei, gets redeemed by the events after it. At least for the tourists xD they stop remembering, what kind of characters & world this is. They don't even know what's coming on ahead XDDD
My beef isn't "I'm mad Rudeus slipped up"; I'm "mad" that the author is obviously contriving his story to align with cliche harem tropes. It doesn't make or break the series for me; I just shake my head at it.
@@andrewsharpe7630 I haven’t watched the series yet but the whole thing with him having multiple wives just seems to be there because the author couldn’t commit to Rudy having a single love interest and wanted a Harem.
@@andrewsharpe7630 I wouldn’t really call this a generic harem. The author built up these relationships from the beginning unlike many other harems where they just fall in love with the mc because “they’re so cool and stuff.” You should also take into account that Mushoku Tensei is the “godfather” of a lot of Isekai tropes meaning that it was one of the first mainstream novels that uses its tropes effectively.
I avoid all discourse around Mushoku Tensei, this is the only channel I watch about it, because I know I won’t see lots of brain rot comments. I seen so many of these comments during season 1 that I had to just avoid everything, because it was making me so angry. The amount of tourists attached to this series is off the charts, it just attracts so many of these people, and I just can’t interact with them.
@@generalgarchomp333Oh really? I haven’t seen many of them, but I haven’t looked too hard, I try to avoid any talking about the series. But I love Andrew’s take on it.
@@InfamyOrDeath-__- i was talking about the people who have problems with the show and don't like Rudy. They still watch the show and whine about it. But yeah I can't blame you for keeping mum about it.
The characters in MT behave accurately to how most real people would act in these situations. That's why it makes so many people uncomfortable. That's also what makes the characters so compelling and the story so immersive. These characters feel like they really exist. They have flaws and mishandle situations in the same way real people do. If this show enrages or upsets you, it's probably because you aren't mature enough or self aware enough to be watching it.
I feel that the enraged people are narcissist who just expect everyone to do things perfectly the way they think it should be. People in real life have emotion, make mistakes, have rebound intercourse, mope or cope with substance and more. Show is great.
People are also usto the MC being this Perfect Hero on a pedestal but like Thanos said "Reality is often disappointing" This is,where mushoku tensei struck gold it makes it's characters truly human
I'm not a therapist, but I'm a keen observer of people. Something I have seen in modern society is that mental illness is rampant in many different forms. But we don't treat it, we are now celebrating it. One of the biggest issues facing people in today's world is that people lack the ability to separate reality from fantasy. Whether it be reading, playing games, LARPING ( I use this term very broadly ) people cannot seem to differentiated where the boundary is from one to the other. Add to that that everyone that can log on to the internet now thinks that are much smarter and more insightful than they actually are and you get people that can barely tie their own shoes trying to argue with doctors over what the best way to treat cancer is, because they saw some blog by a bored housewife that said that eating wallpaper paste cured her. Yes, it really is that ridiculous. Too many people need real help. And they won't get it until we start acknowledging the elephant in the room. The first step is learning to separate reality from fiction. The idea of fiction is its fantasy, a big "what if". If you try to insert real world values, ideas, morality, etc, into fantasy, it stops being fantasy. You may as well just sit around and read the business section of the newspaper everyday.
True tho, a lot of things that go on in Mushoku Tensei are indeed bad, but that's because we forget it's in a parallel fictional world, like gee why didn't we complain about Shield Hero and their slaves? Aren't slaves bad in our world? Why are we just teenage students to go to a country-wide war in My Hero Academia? Isn't War bad in our world? Most communities surrounding fiction seem to forget that we read fiction for fiction, not reality, go to Live Action if you want Reality so much, I recommend Live Action Dragon Ball and both Live Action takes on Avatar The Last Airbender if you want realism 😂😂😂😂
i totally agree i really don't understand why fans are trying to apply real life morality and ethics to a fantasy world that doesn't abide by real world morals it's like they can't have a suspension of disbelief and they also forget that the series has a medieval society and in medieval society in real life human history polygamy and incest was commonplace
The problem that I see with this argument of separating reality from fiction is that some of the greatest authors try to tell us something about our world trough their works of fiction. For example the lord of the rings (which also is fantasy like Mushoku) was based on Tokiens experience as a soldier in WWI. The Divine Comedy is filled with Dantes politic views of the world ,is another good example. So I don’t think there can be a complete separation of reality from fiction, just a healthy amount. And in my opinion the best way to enjoy any media is to take what the author is trying to express, combine it with your opinions and experience in order to create a idea with wich analyze and criticize the work. In Mushoku case I think the author really wanted to write about a harem with hot women 🤣. So I think MUshoku is just anothr isekai that serves as a power fantasy for men, one with a really good story and interesting characters, , but it has the some of the same flaws that have been seen in other isekais, so I think it is fair there to be some criticism
Fiction or not, I think ppl are allowed to be mad/disgusted. Just because its fantasy for you doesn't mean other ppl are required to leave their morals at the door. Ppl are allowed to not like this and they are even right to...its on the fans of the series to understand that and not defend the character. You can enjoy the show and acknowledge the characters are fucked. Look at Konosuba fans...😂😂
@@VirgilHawkinsIsIt's especially because it's fiction that if someone gets mad/disgusted, then they can leave and never come back. That's the mature way to handle it. They don't have to stick around to constantly virtue signal over things that have no actual effect on their life or the whole of reality. At that point, they're just seeking attention and validation on their useless opinion. Fiction doesn't give a damn about how the real world runs. That's the beauty of fiction, so ppl should stop spoiling other ppl's fun and simply move on with their life. That would be a win/win for everyone.
"im droping this anime" i heard this like since episode 1 1 they always wacthing cus its good and cant stop they fact that they know whats up for every episode is wild
I’m waiting for it all to blow over then I’ll watch this episode. Just too much drama right now. (Plus I think they cut out way too much in Roxy & Rudy’s love episode)
@@2013daxdaniel They ruined her arc so badly i wish i was only anime and didn't suffer this blasphemy! I was so hopeful about anime but now i'm 99% sure it will be only meh :(
Yeah but usually in real life these people have to face the consequences of their actions. Meanwhile, Rudeus just gets treated like a child with everyone constantly making excuses for his terrible behavior.
@titaniumgamer_10 that's not wrong tho in real life, unlike jobless reincarnation world barely in laws for people that can kill a normal human being without a magic or a battle aura
@@titaniumgamer_10 constantly making excuses for his terrible behavior? he is just "wrong" in that 1 episode and solves it in that 1 episode also (don't bring his past life in this matter). he faces the consequences of his action in that 1 episode and later on when he reunites with Sylphy. everyone can slip anytime, especially in that mental state, but the more important thing is, that he tries to take responsibility (yes, after Elinalise encourages him. but remember the one who encourages Roxy to do it is also Elinalise).
@@akiratachibana7709 He doesn't face any consequences what do you mean. Sylphie basically just welcomes it with open arms. Which still doesn't make it right you know, just because Sylphie doesn't mind doesn't mean that what Rudeus did wasn't disgusting and terrible.
One thing bugs me about this discourse, it's ignoring a very obvious thing. There is a major difference between sex with some random harlot, and sex with someone you genuinely love and have deep and long held feelings for. It's right there in the scene. Roxy holding Rudy, her smell and touch relaxing him like no one else there could. He would of refused literally anyone else. There is no way, in his current broken state, he would of been able to get it up for anyone other than his "Goddess". Was the act of breaking his promise wrong? Of course. When you are broken like that, you are not capable of thinking right. Yes he made a mistake. He proves himself to be a real man by admitting it and not trying to mitigate it. He owns the mistake. If being a "real man" is never making a mistake then the world would be devoid of any "real men".
@@mattersondoom But only if you have a working brain and some maturity. Things that I bet are sorely mising in the people that write comments like the one in this video.
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 not just that, rudy was also dealing with his first parents deaths and so on, it wasn't just paul and seeing zerith in her state it compounded everything from his previous life.. people really don't understand at all.. PTSD, Bipolar are very severe conditions that inhibit brain function and thinking depending on severity. A common one especially for bipolar is high sex drive and its viewed as a negative way of coping because it is. It's mostly impulsive and the entire thing isn't fully understood because these things are much more complex than what we understand even today.
I agree. People glossing over the fact that Rudy is going out and telling his wife he made a mistake and he wants to take responsibility for it IS 'beeing a man' is kinda hilarious. Are they even paying attention? Everyone makes mistakes. How you deal with them is what matters. And he owns his mistake and wants to make things right. Also Sephy basicly told him off the gate 'yeah you can have other wives. Its fine' so the only one whos kinda upset he broke that promise is Rudy himself. (and the vieuwer at home I guess) Sephy knew his parents and family line and saw it coming from a mile away xD
Everyone seems to be forgetting that this is people who think PTSD is a curse of the dungeon. What kind of solution do you think they were going to come up with.
Also is a world where they see slavery as normal, where people become adults at 15, it's a whole different world with other values and different mind set. But it seems people don't pay attention to all of that, or they just ignored
Literally this haha, they've displayed their primitive thinking and so many other aspects of the series that it is wholly believable that sex being a solution on the table makes 100% sense
@@mattersondoom... Based on the dark ages of English Europe. In case you didn't know or forgot, William Shakespeare wrote Juliette to be 12, and Romeo 17. It wasn't uncommon for adults, especially nobles, to hit on kids; nor was it not uncommon to see slavery in the 1500-1700's, at least until the end of the American Civil War. A lot of Isekai tends to base itself on the morals of ye' olde' Europe, since it is well documented and often used as a setting for fantasy stories. Most authors tend to stay true to those tropes for their morale dubiousness, and it clearly works.
As an OLD anime fan since the 70's, people forget that anime is written for JAPANESE audiences based on their cultural values and mores, some of which are repulsive to Western sensibilities. There is nothing wrong with pointing out both great story elements and ugly ones.
It doesn't matter who it's written for. It's a fictional world with its own established cultural values. Our real-life moralities shouldn't matter in that story.
It is not really about who is written for or who audience the literature aimed at, people just don't get that what their reading and watching is separated from our reality. We have our own values, but some of those values do not apply to a fictional world where there is no modern technology.
@@joshhca6403 But Japanese authors take inspiration from their personal cultural values. Granted, they can be creative or well-read enough to create cultural values from other real-life examples or make them up from world-building. What I was thinking about is the scene, as Otaku Spirit pointed out, is one where Rudy roughly handles Roxy. Older anime had scenes like that more often. In Japan, that was simply viewed as entertainment. Such story elements simply do not translate well in the West. Good news is that sort of style has faded in the modern era.
@@adaeptzulander2928 True in most LNs, WNs, Mangas, and animes even today, though I cannot say only Japanese views it as entertainment since there are also Japanese comsumers who reacted the same way as those haters do, but that is just what I think I knew, saw, and read. So to me, Japanese authors taking inspiration from their personal cultural values are not the reasons this time when it comes to this episode or part of the chapters from the LN, as the characters of MT deficting some real life scenarios. I might be disagreeable, but that is what my opinion is.
@@adaeptzulander2928 they do not only use japanese cultural aspects though and i dont think this is a japanese only cultural thing we do crap like this in the west a lot as well. besides japan has been in the world wide market for a while they understand how we work over here for the most part now its not like its a 90s anime.
Sometimes it's as simple as that. I remember asking my brother (who had finished the WN before I got here in LN) and he said "eh, it's a harem, I'm fine with them all.
@@otakuspiritYes I agree 100% with your brother, I’m fine with them all too haha, but I’m a huge harem fan, I’ve got like 300 volumes of harem manga haha.
As a LN reader the only problem is that the anime version was that it could have done a better job of expanded on rudues and roxy relationship after they reunite, rudues would realizes he has feeling for her as more than his teacher and remember slyply words about him having more than 1 wife, then after paul death and this night occur it would have been viewed less as roxy taking advantage of him and more of he already decided to make her his wife but just didn't get a chance to talk it over with slyphy first, not like it have cellphone to call slyphy and explained the situaton before hand.
This topic makes me want to recommend a channel called Psyculturists. They have long format discussions about the mental health of anime characters and how those can actually effect people in real life. Watching the videos has really help understand how truly of a broken person Rudeus actually is and how long it takes for people to actually heal from trauma to how easy it is for those people to experience relapses. PS. I got interrupted half way thru and wanted to recommend the channel cause it's what I've been watching lately. Never in my wildest dreams thought he would name drop them in the video. So just goes to show you should fully watch a video before commenting. Lol.
He had a bad take on Paul in season 1 that I really had to skip. Thankfully he was willing to listen to his chat read the light novel chapters that were relevant and changed his stance. He helped me really get a better grasp on why Eris is the way she is and how the characters in MT are better understood if you remove the lens of trope.
I like that this show has characters that make mistakes and have to face consequences, and we can still love them. It remains my favorite anime ever from a story standpoint
@@titaniumgamer_10 he wasn’t paying attention in the hydra fight and it go his father killed or when he was drunk or something and misspoke in front of Sara causing her to leave him permanently and he tried to kill himself after or when he misspoke infront of orsted and got violated and almost died
@@barnetsy1 In all these situations he gets saved by someone else right before he dies. If he was alone in any of these cases he would be dead. He didn't really fully suffer the consequences of his actions if someone constantly saves him now did he?
@@titaniumgamer_10 consequences don’t mean death consequences is a spectrum and comes in many shapes and forms most of rudeus’ consequences are mental like how when he first met nanohoshi he was traumatized by orsted even though he survived the fight or how he always goes back into depression he makes mistakes and suffers from it and then eventually learns to live with it
@@titaniumgamer_10 every situation I mentioned had a lasting effect on rudeus which he had to struggle for months and in some cases years to recover from that’s why mushoku tensei is liked because of its realism
I don't even think it's fair to call him "depressed". Yes, he's depressed, but Roxy didn't cure that. The problem was that he was stuck in a loop of survivors guilt and trying to work through the questions that he never got answered and never would. What Roxy really did was get his mind out of that state by presenting him with something that he didn't need to think about to want to do.
I always knew that Mushoku Tensei was extremely popular but after last episode, it seems like literally everyone on Twitter started watching it overnight. Wild.
lol thank you for being one of the few normal MT fans. You hit the biggest point I always try to share when talking about this series of “It’s not our world”. Rudeus even touches upon this when they first buy Julie. He’s like “oh wait slavery is a thing here. It feels weird but alright, we can at least help make this girl’s life better” Applying today’s standards to a fictional world that looks like something out of a DnD campaign just ain’t going to work. You morally can disagree with LOTS of things in this series, and that’s OKAY! Rudeus is in a “When in Rome” situation of a culture that is not the one he’s originally from in modern-day Japan. Just because it’s something YOU don’t agree with, doesn’t automatically mean it’s wrong or bad and I wish people could go into more controversial media like MT with that mindset
So if I was transported to 1700s America and bought some slaves, it would be OK because that's just how the world is right? Just because that's the standard, it doesn't make it right.
@@titaniumgamer_10 again that's the mindset of the 19th century onward, in the world of MT if you try to abolish slavery you become an enemy of the country and you will be hunt down 😅
It's wild to me that this criticism stresses so much that sex isn't the answer, but says its fine to punch him, omitting the cheating aspect in this scenario, having sex to feel better should be way more acceptable that violence. Also while the cheating is horrible, and i feel it could hurt Sylphie, I also feel like she would be the type to thank her for saving her Husband, so unless it was a case of him leaving her to be with another person, I would rather a partner that cheated once but still loved me, instead of a dead one.
if I was rudy and sylphie got triggered with my cheating I'd just say I lost my dad, mom is in a coma, and you think nothing of it? of course I'd never say that in current year, because I'd never marry in current year in the first place.
watched this episode with my gf she was sooooo heated and was mad at Roxy and when I explained everything to her she was telling me how much she hates this show because of how realistic it feels. And she questions herself why she’s so invested in the show when it’s so fked up in a lot of ways. 😭😂
LN explained why Roxy did that anime version just made it look like Roxy took advantage when in the LN it was clear it was to cheer up Rudy, when elinalise figured out she was pregnant she wanted Rudy to marry Roxy by taking responsibility and she wanted Rudy to accept roxy like Paul did for linia, it wasn't explained in the anime so anime only got mad I mean it's "cheating" and norn and sylphie not gonna be happy with this but I mean him and Roxy was super obvious you guys already know Rudy's personality but what Roxy did was the right thing to do, ain't no way anybody else cheering him up seggs is the only way to cheer this mf up he's emotionally weak and seggs is the only cure for him
People are mad over a fictional relationship in a fictional story. That's really funny 💀 The fact that they really think it is this important shows how IMMERSIVE this anime or just story is in general. People are genuinely getting mad over a fictional story says alot as to how they think about it, they're really immersed. I mean, even I love it, and it doesn't follow my own rules and all, but I still remember that this is a fictional story. It is something for me to just think about, to watch, not to take seriously at all, and enjoy it. If they don't like it, then don't watch it!
My wife watched it with me and had no problem with the story... even though both of us agree if one of us did this it would end our marriage... its a fictional story grow up tourists
So, I sought out the original comment since I was curious what the original poster even wanted to get out of this post... tbh it seems they just wanted people to acknowledge that what happened in this episode was "MORALLY WRONG." That is literally all. Which is just insane to me. No sane person watching MT would argue that what happened in this episode isn't actually morally wrong - Rudeus even refers to himself as a scumbag because he knows what he and Roxy did *behind Sylphy's back* was fucked up and wrong. It just seemed to me like the poster wanted to vent somehow and have people congratualate him for his superior morals and for the fact that they correctly identified that Rudeus and Roxy acted immorally in this episode. It's so childish.
@@jebes909090 I don't argue that Roxy is not in the wrong for sleeping with what she knows was a married man but Rudeus still is a scumbag too since he now loves Roxy despite promising to Sylphie to stay faithful to her. He broke a promise he made by himself. Mind you, I have no issue with polygamy and him marrying Roxy in general as long as Sylphy consents to it. I just want to make it clear that Rudy is also morally in the wrong in this episode because of the promise he put on himself. Tbh if he had told Sylphy from the start "I'm a bit weak willed and might get a second wife in the future..." then I wouldn't even be mad at what Rudy does in this episode. It's the fact that he made the promise to stay only loyal to her alone and broke that promise which is the issue for him.
Man this guy your reading from sounds like he has the perfect life with no problems and don't know wht depression really is or nevwr been depressed. Like "get over it", "man up", da hell🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️. This man would have people off them selves cause of wht he saying🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
If that OP interacts with someone that has depression, they might just cause that person to off themselves. I really hope that doesn't happen, as someone that deals/has dealt with depression and has someone very close to them that regularly deals with it and that has themselves experienced very real, very bad trauma, this person is one of the worst kind of humans: "Just don't be depressed bro." People like the OP literally causes the death of people. Edit: OP = poster of the thread Otaku Spirit was reading ;)
Absolutely, the guy is so devoid of basic empathy it's actually scary. I can imagine this fuckwit going up to his depressed friend who's father just died and saying "Stop being a depressed weak little boy, your dad is dead and now YOU have the responsibility to look after all these people... pull yourself up by the bootstraps".
Only love can break a heart. Only love can mend it again- Gene Pitney I actualy liked the adaptation version it did make me smile. Roxy going to Rudy was sweet and endearing. I am not endorsing cheating, although I can understand why. I served in the armed forces and I have seen many cultures that are not mine, I learned not to judge other cultures based on my own. I don't have to like it, but i don't have to judge it. Anyways, watching Roxy going to Rudy reminded me of the movie A Knight's Tale. Jocelyn got mad mad when William says he will win the tournement for her, she responds saying winning does not serve her honnor only his. she goes on to say if he wants to prove his love then loose. So durring his matches he just sits on his horse letting his oponets hammer away at him. At first she's all happy to see him loosing on purpose for her. She then she realizes how much he's getting hurt so she tells him if he loves her then he will will his remaing matches, so with much fustration he does so. At the end he cannot go to the party due to being so badly hurt. later Chauser sees Jocelyn sneak into his tent he remarks to himself "And so Guinevre goes to Lancelot. Bed him well my lady, bed him well" That line poped in my mind when Roxy locked the door. Ironicly, Guinivere was cheating on King Arthur with Lancelot.
We have all done things we regret and we aren't proud of... That is what makes us human... And in fiction it's something that adds to good relatable characters.
The complainers aren’t normies; they are very much ABnormies - people who cannot distinguish reality from imagination, or understand why the plots of good stories necessarily HAVE to have bad guys and flawed characters.
This half of the season could've been greatly improved by the single addition of one more episode between the events of 10 and 11. Like, imagine episode 10 ended with pauls death, then, in this hypothetical episode we see the gang going back to the town, and THEN figuring out Zenith is a vegetable, only for Rudeus to have this long internal monologue between the first and last quarter of the episode, leaving just a couple minutes for that conversation between Elinalise, Geese, and Roxy That would allow episode 11 (or rather this new episode 12) to remain relatively untouched while adding greatly needed context and emotions.
To me the whole event in the light novel felt like when a bunch of stranded people eat their dead. It's a reproachable behavior, but understandable in that situation. Rudeus was slowly dying, he was in a weak state of mind (not only from starving, but from sleep deprivation), they couldn't return without him (due to the magical sandstorm). He would have died if nothing was done.
Something, i feel, that the casual watcher of Mushoku Tensei haven't been able to pick up on is that this is a "coming of age" story on steroids. Coming of age stories are supposed to have growing pain moments and this story is absolutely FILLED with them. Rudeus' biggest hang up is his own arrogance about how the world work because he was reincarnated. He hasn't understood that in his new life, when he was 10... He really was only 10. He knew nothing of the world he was born into. Another thing people seem to forget when watching a show is that the characters don't have all the context that we have as the outside observers of their world and we can't know the struggles that they're going through as though we were there ourselves. Only those who have had they arm ripped off and watched their dad die in the same moment only to find out their mother had an infantial mental regress in the very next moment could ever possibly truly relate to what he was going through with Roxy Rudeus is an extremely well written character as well as the rest of Mushoku Tensei. Although I'm not an expert in story telling by any means, I'm not afraid to say that i believe Mushoku Tensei is a perfect story
It's honestly embarrassing listening to people who after reading/watching some fiction complain with "Well, I would have done X! ". Not only is it a fictitious situation, with fictitious characters, but the response from different people depend on their own experiences and values (something which applies to well made characters too). A lot of what that guy commented just sounds like virtue signaling and self praise. He is basically saying "you are not allowed to be depressed" and "you are not allowed to make mistakes even when you are on a weak state of mind" or else you are not a man. Absolutely unreasonable.
i feel that the affair makes more sense in the anime. cause if youre not in the mood for eating for a month i find it hard to believe you will just go... "s3x yes please". here its more that she seduced him made her think of the relationship between them and all his fantasies and that was the change that made him snap out. it was him getting caught in the moment and getting "everything he ever wanted as a kid from Roxy" that could break the depresion. in my eye feels more like a realistic way an affair like this could go down.
the problem with mushoku tensei is that too many children watch a show made for adults, and there is a lot of people that grows old but never mature mentally
Self-centered brats in adult's body never have the empathy to stand in other's shoes. They must push their views, judge, and win. You disagree with them, they hate your guts.
I think it was a really important hint that depression and mental health is grossly mishandled in the universe when they mentioned "Roxy needs to go back into the dungeon or else she'll be cursed to never enter again". Rudeus noting that they dont understand trauma here. It was foreshadowing. These people see trauma and depression as almost magical maladies with obscure cures. It makes sense that there's no therapeutic, holistic recovery regiment that they know of. Only simple barbaric strategies.
34:54 the brothel thing wasn't a problem with geese, it was that Rudy wouldn't bounce back (or really want to) have sex with someone he doesn't have an emotional connection with. ESPECIALLY because he's married with a kid on the way.
Also if you remember in the show they actually have a mythos in that world too, For a lot of different things for example don't use fire magic in a cave because it'll make carbon dioxide. Cuz it will choke you out and kill you they don't know that is actually carbon dioxide but Rudy understands that's why they says don't do it inside of the cave because it probably led to a lot of deaths. Same thing with having a close encounter inside of a dungeon it's best to go back into the dungeon because you'll have lifelong trauma as also its a thing that happens with alot of people especially Car Accidents ( Trust me I was one of them). So in there world I would 100% get how recommending somebody to get laid to cure the depression will be enforced by this mythos because It has worked before and even Annalise's backs up that notion and Roxy was reinforced by it. But I could understand how people you do their 9 to 5 and then you know only have a little bit of brain power left watching the show and really don't catch on to these mynute details so it is what it is I guess.
I think the fact that rifujin's changes to make the story acceptable to a "broader audience" backfired so spectacularly is a good thing for the series. It should teach him that these people will always find something to complain about and he shouldn't listen to them. And hopefully the production team will also learn to really push him to justify any anime original changes he proposes.
Even with modern morals i think Roxy would make the same decision. The in that situation it boils down to two options. "One: do I take the moral high road and watch him die" or "Two: do I do everything in your power to save him even if society condems me". The odds that Rudeus could pull himself out of it once it gotten to that point is extremely slim anyone saying otherwise haven't delt with someone that far gone or delt with it themself. Plus they are in an area without propper treatment. What would Sylphy prefer? A jar of ashes and a few momentos; or a living husband.
In real life they would know you havnt been starving nearly long enough for it to matter. And there is literally nothing "doing it" can fix that companionship won't unless you actually aren't depressed and just lustful. There is no evidence what so ever to show he couldnt have gotten out of it.
@@TheThebigice these are all maybes, but doing it is not what "fixed it" it was roxy being there for him and understanding and communicating and being supportive and helping him cope, plus sex releases a ton of chemicals and things and can even help mend things and clear your mind which also an influence, rudeus isn't healed though and things aren't just fixed. Reality isn't that simple and the anime did leave a lot of that out so that's part of the issue.
@@yulfine1688 There is no chemical that sex produces that will cure depression. Like you said..communication and support would have done everything he needed. If you are saying that wasnt enough you are saying the sex cured him. And sex can only clear your mind if you are lusting. Because you have satisfied the urge that was clouding it. If that was the case it was just lust. There is nothing complicated to observe her.
@@TheThebigice Multiple things you said is false.. the chemicals released temporarily relieve a ton of stress and can even alleviate depression symptoms and mania for a short time. You do not have to be lusting to have a clear head afterwards it's dependant on multiple factors and for rudeus it was clearly shown. Buddy I have ptsd and bipolar disorder, I am positive I have a general idea about these things.. One from my psychiatrists and other social workers and two my own research and even experiences.
@@yulfine1688 So tell me about the chemicals that cause depression please and their biochemical interaction with sex. And if sex cures it then yes it was just the urge blocking your thought. Sex produces more chemicals in your head but supresses the reward stimili from succeeding at matting and the stress from not. If all it took was sex yes it was just lust.
I love seeing people get mad about mushoku tensei, I think it's hilarious that people get so mad at a FICTIONAL series as if they're REAL PEOPLE. People get more mad at Mushoku tensei than they get at Dr Disrespects most recent allegations...
@@y.1190 Nah, Frieren is one of my favorites, but it not feel that real. Is hard to believe Himmel would die saying nothing, or all his friends, Fern would look to Stark things and he would not suspect or question that, and a bunch of stuff like that. Is really great, and deliver great questions and reflections, but this aspect is not there as full as in the ones I mentioned. And I think is better for the moral of Freiren's story that way.
Been rewatching Mushoku Tensei and something I haven't seen anyone comment on is how this was actually a direct call back to the end of season 1. Rudy and Eris finally make it home after years of hard travel only for Eris to find out that her mother and father died and her grandfather was wrongfully executed. She broke down and had sex with Rudy to make her feel better. It's kind of crazy how similar the ending of s1 is to this with both characters having a loss of parents and using sex to get out of their depression.
Rudy took responsibility the first chance he saw Sylphy, asked her outright, and left the decision up to her. Watching people lose their minds over polyamory is highly amusing, as they couldn't begin to comprehend the idea of somebody living a very different life from themselves. In-world. Only the Millis faith is monogamous, and outside of that Rudy was exposed to it at an incredibly young age. If we take his previous life into consideration as well, he never had good interactions with people due to trauma, even among those that did care for him. If we apply typical ethics and morals of our own world, he's actually doing the right thing by not hiding things (like Paul did) and admitting his mistake. In the end, people say Sylphy has no self-respect here.. but in reality I'd argue that she's doing the right thing by making her own choice on the matter. She's even taking into consideration Roxy's feelings on the matter which she has no real reason to do so. This scene more than shoows that not only is Rudeus a better person than Paul was, Sylphy is more compassionate than Zenith was. If you recall, Rudeus had to make Paul out to be an absolute MONSTER to save his half-mother and sister. In conclusion, Sylphy holds no ill will because she expected Rudeus to buckle, and was prepared for it long beforehand. Especially knowing this was an unforeseen circumstance that otherwise would not have caused a deviation from his loyalty.
This episode is like a 6.5 or 7/10 for me as a LN reader, they removed scenes that (IMO) was pretty damn important and I think that hurts the anime adaptation Hopefully the manga (as bad as I think it is) can be closer to the source material in comparison to the anime adaptation
I actually started reading the light novels before this episode and the LN just explained the situation so much better and was just easier to empathize with
Feel like people forget that it’s normal in there world for noble, rich and powerful men to take multiple wives. His first wife was ok with Rudy taking on more wine an even though he denied he would. Rudy is literally known as the most powerful magician in the city with the most powerful magicians in that world. If his other wives don’t mind then why do people care.
I always put myself in Rudy’s shoes after he’s made the decision I never could’ve. How do I make 2 women feel loved equally? This seems like the biggest challenge in Rudy’s life from my standpoint. Weird that this is where my mind goes?
Well if they didnt do it Rudy wouldn’t have another problem to think about. Atleast hes focusing in the present and his future. Rather than he thinking about his parents
Anime only here. Having watched the episode and listened to all the spoilers; I still enjoyed the episode and feel like it's among the best for season 2. Only thing I want to know is what is Roxy's dad going to think?
Mostly anime only here. & honestly I don’t understand the hate, it just seems like people are complaining to complain. & Im speaking on everyone, the “I hate this so Imma complain” to the “How dare you hate what I like, so Imma complain”
I don't know if the culture of Roxy's people are the same as the others but polygamy isn't particularly strange for powerful/rich people in that world. So long as their daughter is loved and cared for and protected and (I assume) given children (again, culture dependent) then they would be pretty happy. Proud even. I mean if they're particularly progressive parents they would only care if their daughter chose this and wasn't forced into it and is happy.
Its almost as if life isnt a fairytale. Emotions are messy, Death is messy. Love can be messy. Its no real surprise that a person can end up making a messed up choice that they may not have done in any other circumstance
I just want to say I feel like you responded to that post in this video really well. I think the big issue with the poster (and a lot of socity) is that they like to think that depression and other mental illnesses can just be cured with logic, when sadly this clearly isn't the case. As someone that provides support to people with mental health problems, if this worked then I wouldn't even need to do my job. The truth is however the complete opposite. I've suffered from deep long depression myself when I first had a patient die that I cared for. I stayed in bed for days. I didn't eat. I didn't wash. I knew what I would of told my patients. I knew that just getting out of bed and doing simple tasks like having a wash or a small walk would likely help me. But that's the core here. Our body & brain don't work on logic in these situations. Our psychological pain just shorts circuits everything. In the end the thing that helps most isn't telling people what they should and shouldn't do - it's as you also said. It's supportive communities. Those that are willing to step up and say "Whatever has happened. Whatever you're going though. We're here for you, and we're not going anywhere!"
I do think they should’ve stuck to the light novel because it didn’t make the tourist happy it didn’t make the source material readers happy. This is what happens when you try to play both They both end up complain
Honestly your gripes in this episode is the same as mine. Even the reason for accepting certain changes. First, is the bar scene with geese, liz, talhand and roxy being cut. I can understand they cannot fully adopt certain scenes that is why I was able to be settled with at least the Roxy and Rudy talk where Roxy explained her side. Lots of context was removed but the main key points are in the conversation. Second, is the changing of Roxy taking the initiative as opposed to Rudy doing it. Had a gripe with it, as I saw it as a form of censorship but knowing that Rifujin was involved, it also kinda imply that it was not censorship as it had the authors permission. The only thing I can say is it is Rifujin's story so it his choice to how he wants to present it in anime format. Third and last, is the removal of the hypothetical story of Rudy to Roxy. Like I know it is not important to the grand scheme of the story but it just put sooo much substance to the understanding of Roxy as a character to Rudy. Additionally, they cannot even say that it is not important because they would be undermining the scene of Sylphie asking Nanahoshi about why she thought that Rudy was from the same hometown. Like if Rudy's hypothetical story to Roxy is not important. How is Sylphie asking Nanahoshi about her hometown important? Anyway thank you for the great discussion regarding this "controvertial" episode. Looking forward for more discussion and Mushoku Mondays.
I've watched a vid reaction with a shrink on eps 23 he said sex would work in that situation.she point out to him she had connections to him thru her love of his parents and rudeus loved and idolised roxy since he was 5 yrs old. Even after sex she continued to support him for the 2 months that it took them to get back to the teleport temple.
"UNALIVE" TRIGGER WARNING, read at your own discretion. (I hate having to use that stupid word instead but I'm afraid UA-cam might just filter the comment automatically if you use some certain words at times.) Yeah, about the "what if" scenario about what would happen if Rudeus hadn''t had anyone to console him... I'm 100% certain he would have died. The argument that having a wife and a child on the way would somehow stop him from doing that, while seeming rational, is sadly not enough to stop many people from spiraling into utter depression and ********* themselves. Case in point, I had a neighbour who has a huge family with a loving wife, 3 young teenage sons and a daughter and that guy was very loving and happy most of the time. However he seemingly had these depression episodes from time to time... one night he just went into their private garden and ****** himself. If a man with such a loving family can lose himself so much in such a depressive state to stop thinking about the 4 kids and his wife then absolutely every person can succumb to depression and despair if it just hits you in the most tragic way without you having some kind of support system/net to help you out... And even if you have a support system of some kind - it sometimes tragically just isn't enough if the person themselves isn't receptive enough to it. People who are driven that far to the edge of depression just don't have the capacity to think rationally about the people they are going to leave behind, sadly.
I'm willing to be its because she's a cheating wife and the divorce courts would do everything to steal his money so that the corrupt divorce lawyers gets his money while giving breadcrumbs to the wife which she is more than willingly to get even if it means destroying him. she probably can't wait to jump to Chad's schwing.
It really upset me listening to this post being read, this OP seems to have a genuine lack of empathy, being incapable of stepping outside thier own little box and into the shoes of others. Morally grandstanding like that about the incredibly weighty issue that the episode was dealing with juat show how shallow their thinking is. Dealing with the grief, depression and guilt that Rudy was experiencing isn't easy, especially if those trying to help have no knowledge regarding how to help. Its incredibly different, when i was watching that episode, it brought up so much emotions for me. I lost my first born son as an infant. It was devastating to my wife and I, and i had her with me to grieve with, Rudy didnt, yes he had his friends, but they couldnt understand what he was going through, they all tried in their own way to reach him, but couldn't. In the end it was Roxy who had finally reached him, it might not have been morally right, but it worked. And it saved his life, Sylphie will no dount be hurt by this, but in the end, her husband came back to her.
Anime version made Roxy seem like a rap*st so there's no winning here. Also at least in the LN, Roxy explicitly consented unlike in the anime adaption where Rudy doesn't really say anything. The anime does a worse job in this aspect when it comes to r*pe and consent.
Also if you wanna just go by power dynamics on it's own, Rudy looks at Roxy as his master and someone he looks up to and respects. Anime version is much more "rap*y" than the LN and that's why I hate the change personally.
I have to say I agree with you 100%. The LN adds more context, which can give you a better understanding of the characters' actions, but it doesn't change what happened. If I didn't watch something every time a character made a choice I don't agree with, I wouldn't have anything to watch. There wouldn't be anyone on the planet I could talk to myself included because nobody is perfect, and people make some really dumb and stupid decisions. What's important is how you learn and grow as you progress through life.
Light novel readers expected divisions between fans and toutists, a filter. What we got is a bunched of pissed of light novel readers and anime onlies who found the episode to be "okay". That's a problem because it shouldn't be like that. This episode is actually the EMOTIONAL CLIMAX of not only this volume but the entire series so far. That's the Rudy flashbacks and him processing his own grief. That has a WHOLE CHAPTER dedicated to it. It's the chapter we readers cried a lot in. Rudy is grieving not only his current parents but his previous one. For the third time, he's reverted back to a NEET, but, this time, he plans to die with them, starving himself as he replays Paul's death over and over. There are sooooo many moments here that reveals a lot about Rudeus, his reincarnation, his new life, EVERYTHING.
Emotional climax of the series so far? That seems like quite the statement to make, a subjective one at that. We have had whole chapters for emotional shit in earlier volumes too... like something can be important without it being THE emotional climax. It is maybe one of many emotional climaxes throughout the series.
“Anime onlys who found the episode to be ‘okay’ “- this isn’t true lmao the vast majority of anime onlys had a very positive reaction to the episode, just like Otaku Spirit says in the video. It’s mostly LN readers and a small % of Anime fans that were upset.
To further the point of "they're not psychologist" is their ignorance of the concept of Carbon Dioxide poisoning in the dungeon. Its the same mental concept A scenario where they may not know the true solution or explanation bc of lack of knowledge but they exist in the knowledge they have and use the tools (mental & physical) they are given to solve issues. In this case sex was seen as a tool to get someone out of depression
I actually do see quite a bit of comments saying that due to the mushoku tensei having a culture of polygamy him cheating is not a big deal. Which I've found really puzzling.
From the perspective of their world's inhabitants it's not as much of a taboo. It's still cheating and a mistake though, because he made her a promise.
To the world in MT, it is really not a big deal. Him being part of a noble family also matters. But to Rudeus, it matters. Because he has seen it with his dad. So, he wants to take responsibilty for him, Sylphie and Roxy. I know Sylphie doesn't mind him marrying others, I hope they go in a mature tone. Don't try to justify the act. But rather resolve it in a satisfactory manner.
I'm not aware of people calling Rudy a "giga chad" for cheating on his wife. The closest that I've noticed is that people are praising the story for not pulling punches and themselves not being shamed by liking the act of cheating as a resolution for a problem in the story. I'd even bet that it's because it's not a clean or perfect solution that it's such a compelling one. E.g. Tourist: "Did Rudy having sex and cheating on his pregnant wife really help shake his mental paralysis?" MT Enjoyer: [gigachad face] "Yes." Also, while people do enjoy harems, MT is one of the few stories that his harem makes sense. In terms of setting, circumstances, and what you might call the resolution. He's technically minor nobility (hereditary and later granted), Roxy and Eris feel just as sensible of partners individually as Sylphy, and they ultimately end up taking on different roles in the family.
In the nivel when Eris is already there and she has a girls night with Roxy and Sylphie, she remembered something Sauros said "You can tell the caliber of a noble by how well his wives get along", if that isn't the biggest signifier about how Multiple partners is normal I don't know what its
my biggest and probably only complaint is that it really does seem like all the major arcs for him are signaled by sex. Eris started a whole new adventure, Sylphy fixed his depression, and Roxy fixed his depression again. it makes the actual emotional progress hes making less meaningful. IMO. Honestly if Roxy did literally anything else to take him out of depression and they took a little time to build romance i would be all for it.
I was reading through comments hoping to find the words that would express these thoughts I couldn't seem to point to. Something seemed off for me since the beginning of the series, and now that I read you I realize what it was: The huge importance sex seems to have. I have no problems with sex, but it's like you said, it kind of makes the whole emotional process that is to grieve feel meaningless or inexistent. It would seem that all that is needed for anyone to recover is to have sex, the magical panacea that instantly cures even the most profound of depressions, immediately reignites the will to live, and even cures the soul from the existential dread and pain of having no clue what we are, what we're doing, or where we are... I'm not saying the emotional connection that would be implied in doing it with someone can't be of help, but to have the "one romantic night" with Sylphie or Roxy being the magic medicine just kind of bothers me. One would wish it was so easy! Then again I'm an anime only and who knows if there are some plot twists expecting me regarding this whole situation... Yet as it stands, it seems like a guy with deep depression who would cope with sexual "deviations" so to speak, gets reincarnated only to have it all be about sex one more time, this time even with his first obsession/crush... It makes me wonder if that actually gets us growing up.
@@Arcano_doce I'm also anime only but I've scoured the interwebs for all the spoilers I can get haha. If you watched the skipped content of this episode posted on this channel, if they animated that I agree that it would be better as if would have highlighted the messy nature of all of it but even that wasn't perfect. A weak mc isn't an issue, even banging his way out of it could be a character development arc. But one night fixing grief and trauma seems off. Also while he kinda loved her, he more worshiped her haha. She's loved him for about a couple days. Like her bringing him out of depression could have been a really genuine love arc for them and a genuine emotional arc for Rudy. Wasted opportunity IMO. But as someone said in other comments, this is technically a harem. Haha I think it's easy to forget that harem universes have their own rules.
@@brettstech I indeed watched the skipped content video from mr Otaku Spirit and I just 1000% agree with everything you said, friend. That very last line, about this being a harem and therefore having it's own rules, finally made the click on me -I was still trying to have it make sense! I think I am ready to let it go now and remember this is an isekai after all, even if the "flawed mc" premise and good writing sometimes seems to take it elsewhere. Thank you for this!
With Eris and Sylphie they had alot of time together and it was expected they also connect to eachother With Eris they made a promise so i was expecting it to happen at some point its the aftermath thats surprising but its a realization point for her With Sylphie Rudeus has ED and was depressed for years so i expected it There are other points in the series that dont involve sex that lead to a new journey and growth so i dont really mind
I really love this video ❤ It really explains everything clearly and this is by far my favourite people who really delves in the characters preferences... The Spiciness of this anime series is what makes me get a popcorn and just ended up watching all of the drama and in peoples thought about this. Since this ep, has released I already expected all of the people, how they react to this... dividing the mushoku tensai community Each of there opinions and thoughts about this is what really makes me enjoyed the series Im excited of what happens next maybe there would be a huge nuke bomb gonna happen... nobody knows😊
I personally adore this show, and its story. I can’t wait to watch more. I was originally anime only, but for season 2 I’ve watched almost all of the skipped content videos to try to get more info on it. I loved season 1 so much that I went and read the manga, and that’s the first time I’ve ever read any manga at all.
The amount of anger that person has about the actions of a fictional person in a fictional world that has a very different culture and moral foundation than us is silly. It is just a story, and an entertaining one at that.
1. Ed (Psyculturists) is amazing, I'm glad you mentioned him. His analysis on MT is the best around. Side note, with how far you are in the LN you for sure don't have to worry about spoilers from his chat. His mods are very good at filtering spoilers and even then, nothing even comes close to being mentioned past vol 14. But even that is his chat just messing with him about "the rat" but even he still has no idea what that means, it's just an ongoing joke with his followers. 2. I am a LN reader myself; I've read the entire story and MT has been one of my favorite stories of all time. However, the LN readers have been the most annoying people in regard to this episode. They act like the story is completely ruined because of the changes that were made. It's not that big of a deal, the end result was even still pretty much the exact same as in the LN. All of the complaining is unnecessary, and they should just enjoy what they get instead of harping on the adaptation being exactly 1 to 1. I'm just happy to have this masterclass of a story be adapted at all and on top of that be adapted as well as it has been. Despite the changes, you can't deny the amount of care that is put into the anime and the story in general. I was also happy to hear you say that it's the author's story and as long as he is okaying the changes to HIS story that it is perfectly fine. That's all I really have to say about that, you got a sub from me!
Maybe it’s worth thinking about why the readers of Ln think so and at the same time think about how the characters will be spoiled? Rudeus risks Sylphy's feelings and his family for no reason just because he loves the girl who raped him. everything that Rudeus said, says and will say does not make sense since now he can easily refuse the words that he loves Sylphy and Roxy and wants to make them happy, because he does not need reasons to refuse his words. and this completely kills the entire future of the anime since everything Rudeus says and does will be simply fake. I don’t want an adaptation of 1 to 1, I don’t want to regret that the second season exists, that’s all
Listen. I would put my life against anyone here as far as shit lives. Highlights, my husband was both abusive and gay, I had two strokes because Pfizer's fucking "vaccine", because I was having to take blood thinners, I had to get an emergency hysterectomy because I was bleeding to death. Those are just the highlights. But I do think that makes me more than able to talk about depression. While I was married, I was bad about drinking water even. I wasn't necessarily trying to kill myself, but I became kind of a lump. I didn't eat unless someone made me, I didn't drink unless someone made me or I started to feel really really crappy, I never choked on my food, but I never saw a violent death in front of me. I can at least say that much. Debilitating depression is a thing. It's insidious, and it's hard to break. I had several years while I was going on depression medicine off depression medicine, bouncing from therapist to therapist trying to get me better. Sometimes, especially after last year, I still catch myself forcing myself to drink sometimes. In fact I can tell you, the only reason I'm still around right now is because of my parents. As soon as they go, I'm afraid I'm just going to stop taking my medicine. If Silphie have been physically there, had been basically a camp woman, which would have been incredibly dangerous and stupid when she was pregnant, but if she had been there she could have taken care of Rudy. She was not there however. She was pregnant. She was not able to travel. There are extenuating circumstances, and I would argue that Rudy's "extra wives" are extenuating circumstances. While I was married to that thing, I would have joyfully jumped the bones of anyone that seemed interested. Hurt and tragedy have consequences. Do not ever talk about what you would do or what someone should have done unless you have been in their shoes.
People being over invested into the fictional stories will never cease to amaze me. It's a fictional story about a broken man getting second chance at life, trying his best and still making a lot of mistakes along the way. You are not supposed to like everything he does - this was the case in season 1 with all the weird things he's done as a kid and it continues to be the case now. It's ok to not like everything a character does, I would argue this is what makes this story so compelling - Rudeus is not a perfect hero and that makes him more real. It doesn't make him evil - he is a good person that in his times of weaknesses makes mistakes. But to me he still grows and learns to do better through those mistakes.
I feel whoever wrote that isn't past 15 at least mentally, I just hope that kid can actually grow and look past this post as a silly thing. Hopefully he doesn't hurt someone that's going trough a hard time.
Also, from the party's standpoint (especially Elinalise's) they know how difficult the route across the desert will be, especially when escorting (at least, maybe three?) two non-combatants. Elinalise also would be unsure if Roxy would be able to use the teleportation circle back to Sharia. The possibility that Rudy dies of starvation before they even leave, let alone him being a walking corpse (and defensive liability) on a VERY dangerous road, makes getting him back to a semi-functioning human being paramount. It was a shitty solution to an even shittier problem.
this show is realistic in how people would respond to trauma, the moral puritans need to touch grass and actually explore the world and read about history.... maybe then they'll understand how realistic the choices this show makes
The way they keep saying “a real man” is strange, and I think they’re making this post because their own partner cheated on them, it’s why they’re so salty about this point.
😭 Thats one of my most anticipated things aswell not just for the epic stuff but to watch people seethe due to their dislike over her and then the whole introduction to the family. I hope they keep Rudeus saying come at me Millis fools 😂
Being poly and a war vet, I have tried to avoid these videos because of people pushing their beliefs on people. I appreciate that you point out that it is your personal belief and not everyone’s. Also being a war vet that now suffers, sometimes sex with someone that you have a connection with is one of the only things that will give you enough will to continue to live another day. This poster honestly makes me sick because they clearly haven’t hit bottom before. Edit: obviously this person has no idea of survivors guilt as well nor a thing about trauma bonding. Also Roxy did the right thing. I doubt Sylphie would have preferred a dead “faithful” husband. I honestly would expect the same if the reverse happened to Sylphie or Roxy and they were with someone that they were attached to.
I'm an anime-only, so I appreciate the insight as to the difference between the anime and the light novels. I normally don't like spoilers, but I've even looked ahead to see how things play out. It's normally because most animes don't get multiple seasons. Thank you for the hard work you put into these videos and continue doing so.
The 'sex isn't a cure for depression' person is hilarious... I suffered from chronic depression for years and as I decided to get a minor in psychology... Our bodies release a lot of positive emotion boosting chemicals into us when we have sex. We also feel better with strong emotional connections and sex is a a physical bonding activity (generally, though the impact can vary person to person). So while sex won't 'cure' depression it can pull us out of a negative emotional space and help us balance out our emotions. If you have developed some coping mechanisms once your emotional balance is better you can push back your own depressive state. So in fact depression can be treated with sex... With a emotionally committed partner. This btw is a reason couples should have a good sex life and hold on to their strong emotional connection.
I can confirm that sex does help one's mental state. My father's freind that he considers a sister from highschool was depressed since her late husband died. She started drinking heavily(number one reson her husband died was liver failue due to excessive drinking) and my father didn't know what to do; he at the time was also extremely pent-up due to his baby-mama(NOT my mother, my parents are divorced) not wanting to have sex despite him bein clipped. Since I read the LN of Mushou Tensei, I suggested that the two of them to copulate. This ended up helping her to lose her greif substantially. Her heavy drinking ended up practically stopping. Tho another issue cropped up and is a story for another time since it has nothig to do with her depression
I found it surprising that in Mushoku Tensei the MC isnt so dense he seems like is afraid of women dude actually has a family and kid before the halfway point of the series Usually when MCs have kids and families the series ends 😂
When something really distressing happens to another person, we tend to think or at least in the back of our minds - "It will never happen to me." = Hubris? But even if it does happen to "me" or whoever that might be, the experience won't be exactly the same and the results won't be exactly the same. It is also the reason most of us don't truly understand another person's wisdom. One of the bigger points here is that "this is Fiction." I wouldn't go up in arms over someone else's imagination.
Basically every drama that comes with mushoku tensei is a moral one, and not really a writing one. Which in my mind, constitutes as good, thought provoking story telling. The same arguement in this current scenario (cheating bad rudeus is bad for cheating) is the same thing that was said during the whole slavery crap with julie. (Slavery bad, it should be abolished, its terrible) Etc. what makes this story interesting, is the fact that it presents everything, and everyone as imperfect, and everyone makes mistakes, has flawed logic and differing morals based on their own beliefs and information they have. Are alot of these things seen as bad in todays world? Absolutely, but in the context of a FICTIONAL, FANTASY WORLD, it allows writers and readers to explore nuaned topics that would otherwise be immediately dismissed in our day to day life. You don't need to agree with the actions and choices made in the story, because regardless of what you think, that's how things played out, and just like real life, people have REASONS for why they do the things they do, and they just need to roll with the punches. Great Video Dude!
Eyy if people feel anything strongly about the characters in MT then it's a win .. MT is just one of the few anime's I've watched where I feel emotions about almost every single character...
This whole topic hits very personally for me, having lost my own father and having been living with that for a few years now. To be perfectly honest, I know I'd be dead right now if not for my mother still being alive and being the last person in the world I can rely on. Even so, I think about it every day. I never had anyone else who was there with me, no one else who cared that much, and certainly no friends or romantic relationships. I know at least some of what this is like, and what the result can be. I very much enjoy your perspective on this, because it mirrors my own in almost every way. I'm a casual anime fan, an American, even an English dub watcher, so you'd think I'd be the perfect candidate to be one of these shallow, ignorant people who can't get these ideas through their skulls. Thing is, I love to think deeply about these things, and get real value from them. When I see a situation like this, I separate their actions into what's understandable, and what's justifiable. In my view, every single thing that happens here is completely understandable. Rudy's depression, the group thinking of a way to help him, Roxy's willingness to do it, and letting their feelings take over in those moments, despite the hardship which may follow. It all makes perfect sense to me, and I love how the story is playing out. The only thing I do wish they'd kept is more of Rudy's inner thoughts, and the reveal of his place in this world to Roxy. I'm not a light novel reader, but from what I've heard from others, those things could've made this episode even more powerful.
I would've loved to hear your take on Explanation Point's video about Mushoku Tensei where he compares Rudeus to Denji from chainsaw man of all things 😂
This entire scenario definitely added complexity to both Roxy and Rudeus, but the decisions made in this episode and in this section in the volume made me cringe so much. It was tough to watch this episode at points and that hindered my ablility to enjoy the episode as much as I wanted to. Storytelling wise, I get it, but I personally can't watch scenes like this without cringing a significant degree. Still excited for next episode though.
People make it past Paul early on, Rudy being a creep, embrace the character growth, and THEN get mad when Rudy slips up (like all people do) when he is not in a great state of mind. This should be the last great normie filter.
The real turning point 3😂
I guess every creepy/disgusting moment in Mushoku Tensei, gets redeemed by the events after it. At least for the tourists xD they stop remembering, what kind of characters & world this is.
They don't even know what's coming on ahead XDDD
My beef isn't "I'm mad Rudeus slipped up"; I'm "mad" that the author is obviously contriving his story to align with cliche harem tropes. It doesn't make or break the series for me; I just shake my head at it.
@@andrewsharpe7630 I haven’t watched the series yet but the whole thing with him having multiple wives just seems to be there because the author couldn’t commit to Rudy having a single love interest and wanted a Harem.
@@andrewsharpe7630 I wouldn’t really call this a generic harem. The author built up these relationships from the beginning unlike many other harems where they just fall in love with the mc because “they’re so cool and stuff.” You should also take into account that Mushoku Tensei is the “godfather” of a lot of Isekai tropes meaning that it was one of the first mainstream novels that uses its tropes effectively.
If there isn't social media outrage over one or two episodes, it isn't a Mushoku Tensei proper season.
Real man.......if there a war isn't happening on tweeter.....you know they didn't adapt the light novel correctly 😅
It is what it is, at this point we just gotta prepare our pocorn and enjoy the chaos. Btw how did you put an emoji of Orsted and Zanoba, that's dope
@@juanmqm6732 I'm a channel member.
I avoid all discourse around Mushoku Tensei, this is the only channel I watch about it, because I know I won’t see lots of brain rot comments. I seen so many of these comments during season 1 that I had to just avoid everything, because it was making me so angry. The amount of tourists attached to this series is off the charts, it just attracts so many of these people, and I just can’t interact with them.
it's wild they're still fkin here.
@@generalgarchomp333Oh really? I haven’t seen many of them, but I haven’t looked too hard, I try to avoid any talking about the series. But I love Andrew’s take on it.
Pretty based take.
Same. I liked his videos and decided to stick around
Yeah people just love having something to cry about, about as much as they love ignoring things actually worth crying about, too. lmao.
@@InfamyOrDeath-__- i was talking about the people who have problems with the show and don't like Rudy. They still watch the show and whine about it. But yeah I can't blame you for keeping mum about it.
The characters in MT behave accurately to how most real people would act in these situations. That's why it makes so many people uncomfortable. That's also what makes the characters so compelling and the story so immersive. These characters feel like they really exist. They have flaws and mishandle situations in the same way real people do. If this show enrages or upsets you, it's probably because you aren't mature enough or self aware enough to be watching it.
I feel that the enraged people are narcissist who just expect everyone to do things perfectly the way they think it should be. People in real life have emotion, make mistakes, have rebound intercourse, mope or cope with substance and more. Show is great.
People are also usto the MC being this Perfect Hero on a pedestal but like Thanos said
"Reality is often disappointing"
This is,where mushoku tensei struck gold it makes it's characters truly human
I'm not a therapist, but I'm a keen observer of people. Something I have seen in modern society is that mental illness is rampant in many different forms. But we don't treat it, we are now celebrating it. One of the biggest issues facing people in today's world is that people lack the ability to separate reality from fantasy. Whether it be reading, playing games, LARPING ( I use this term very broadly ) people cannot seem to differentiated where the boundary is from one to the other. Add to that that everyone that can log on to the internet now thinks that are much smarter and more insightful than they actually are and you get people that can barely tie their own shoes trying to argue with doctors over what the best way to treat cancer is, because they saw some blog by a bored housewife that said that eating wallpaper paste cured her. Yes, it really is that ridiculous. Too many people need real help. And they won't get it until we start acknowledging the elephant in the room. The first step is learning to separate reality from fiction. The idea of fiction is its fantasy, a big "what if". If you try to insert real world values, ideas, morality, etc, into fantasy, it stops being fantasy. You may as well just sit around and read the business section of the newspaper everyday.
True tho, a lot of things that go on in Mushoku Tensei are indeed bad, but that's because we forget it's in a parallel fictional world, like gee why didn't we complain about Shield Hero and their slaves?
Aren't slaves bad in our world?
Why are we just teenage students to go to a country-wide war in My Hero Academia? Isn't War bad in our world?
Most communities surrounding fiction seem to forget that we read fiction for fiction, not reality, go to Live Action if you want Reality so much, I recommend Live Action Dragon Ball and both Live Action takes on Avatar The Last Airbender if you want realism 😂😂😂😂
i totally agree i really don't understand why fans are trying to apply real life morality and ethics to a fantasy world that doesn't abide by real world morals it's like they can't have a suspension of disbelief and they also forget that the series has a medieval society and in medieval society in real life human history polygamy and incest was commonplace
The problem that I see with this argument of separating reality from fiction is that some of the greatest authors try to tell us something about our world trough their works of fiction. For example the lord of the rings (which also is fantasy like Mushoku) was based on Tokiens experience as a soldier in WWI. The Divine Comedy is filled with Dantes politic views of the world ,is another good example. So I don’t think there can be a complete separation of reality from fiction, just a healthy amount. And in my opinion the best way to enjoy any media is to take what the author is trying to express, combine it with your opinions and experience in order to create a idea with wich analyze and criticize the work. In Mushoku case I think the author really wanted to write about a harem with hot women 🤣. So I think MUshoku is just anothr isekai that serves as a power fantasy for men, one with a really good story and interesting characters, , but it has the some of the same flaws that have been seen in other isekais, so I think it is fair there to be some criticism
Fiction or not, I think ppl are allowed to be mad/disgusted. Just because its fantasy for you doesn't mean other ppl are required to leave their morals at the door. Ppl are allowed to not like this and they are even right to...its on the fans of the series to understand that and not defend the character. You can enjoy the show and acknowledge the characters are fucked. Look at Konosuba fans...😂😂
@@VirgilHawkinsIsIt's especially because it's fiction that if someone gets mad/disgusted, then they can leave and never come back. That's the mature way to handle it. They don't have to stick around to constantly virtue signal over things that have no actual effect on their life or the whole of reality. At that point, they're just seeking attention and validation on their useless opinion. Fiction doesn't give a damn about how the real world runs. That's the beauty of fiction, so ppl should stop spoiling other ppl's fun and simply move on with their life. That would be a win/win for everyone.
I'm happy that they include Jiro the Armadillo in the episode. Seeing Jiro on that episode is enough for me.
Dillo.
The 8th great power.
The Earth Jod.
Roxy's daily mount to ride to work! Want to see that so much!
lol i think i said the same thing on one of his other videos a couple days ago XD
did they introduce jiro in the anime? I didn't notice. I really liked it whenever jiro was mentioned in the ln
@@TJVBernal he's in the background of 2 clips that's about it.
I think it’s funny all the tourists can leave 😂
Ikr😂
ikr fucking finally
"im droping this anime"
i heard this like since episode 1
1 they always wacthing cus its good and cant stop
they fact that they know whats up for every episode is wild
@@Ren21798 they will be back when there is fight. watch them lmao
I’m waiting for it all to blow over then I’ll watch this episode.
Just too much drama right now.
(Plus I think they cut out way too much in Roxy & Rudy’s love episode)
Roxy handled this situation very nicely specially that one line when she asked Rudeus to get Sylphy's permission says a lot about her 😊
Ikr.
At least that part was correct to the novel, i was surprised to see in that point and wasn't replaced with a cheap line like 'sure, baby'..
I LOVED THAT PART😢
@ggoddkkiller1342 I doubt they'd do that even in the anime (anime only here, but anything of that level would've made me feel empty inside)
@@2013daxdaniel They ruined her arc so badly i wish i was only anime and didn't suffer this blasphemy! I was so hopeful about anime but now i'm 99% sure it will be only meh :(
I think Mushoku Tensei perfectly portrays human nature/tendencies to do such things because it happens in real life.
Facts. Especially awful things
Yeah but usually in real life these people have to face the consequences of their actions. Meanwhile, Rudeus just gets treated like a child with everyone constantly making excuses for his terrible behavior.
@titaniumgamer_10 that's not wrong tho in real life, unlike jobless reincarnation world barely in laws for people that can kill a normal human being without a magic or a battle aura
@@titaniumgamer_10 constantly making excuses for his terrible behavior? he is just "wrong" in that 1 episode and solves it in that 1 episode also (don't bring his past life in this matter). he faces the consequences of his action in that 1 episode and later on when he reunites with Sylphy.
everyone can slip anytime, especially in that mental state, but the more important thing is, that he tries to take responsibility (yes, after Elinalise encourages him. but remember the one who encourages Roxy to do it is also Elinalise).
@@akiratachibana7709 He doesn't face any consequences what do you mean. Sylphie basically just welcomes it with open arms. Which still doesn't make it right you know, just because Sylphie doesn't mind doesn't mean that what Rudeus did wasn't disgusting and terrible.
One thing bugs me about this discourse, it's ignoring a very obvious thing. There is a major difference between sex with some random harlot, and sex with someone you genuinely love and have deep and long held feelings for. It's right there in the scene. Roxy holding Rudy, her smell and touch relaxing him like no one else there could. He would of refused literally anyone else. There is no way, in his current broken state, he would of been able to get it up for anyone other than his "Goddess". Was the act of breaking his promise wrong? Of course. When you are broken like that, you are not capable of thinking right. Yes he made a mistake. He proves himself to be a real man by admitting it and not trying to mitigate it. He owns the mistake. If being a "real man" is never making a mistake then the world would be devoid of any "real men".
Exactly, u don't need to be an LN reader to understand all this, the show has done great job in explaining those things.
@@mattersondoom But only if you have a working brain and some maturity. Things that I bet are sorely mising in the people that write comments like the one in this video.
yeah, I hope everyone understand this.
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 not just that, rudy was also dealing with his first parents deaths and so on, it wasn't just paul and seeing zerith in her state it compounded everything from his previous life.. people really don't understand at all..
PTSD, Bipolar are very severe conditions that inhibit brain function and thinking depending on severity. A common one especially for bipolar is high sex drive and its viewed as a negative way of coping because it is. It's mostly impulsive and the entire thing isn't fully understood because these things are much more complex than what we understand even today.
I agree. People glossing over the fact that Rudy is going out and telling his wife he made a mistake and he wants to take responsibility for it IS 'beeing a man' is kinda hilarious. Are they even paying attention? Everyone makes mistakes. How you deal with them is what matters. And he owns his mistake and wants to make things right.
Also Sephy basicly told him off the gate 'yeah you can have other wives. Its fine' so the only one whos kinda upset he broke that promise is Rudy himself. (and the vieuwer at home I guess) Sephy knew his parents and family line and saw it coming from a mile away xD
Everyone seems to be forgetting that this is people who think PTSD is a curse of the dungeon. What kind of solution do you think they were going to come up with.
Also is a world where they see slavery as normal, where people become adults at 15, it's a whole different world with other values and different mind set. But it seems people don't pay attention to all of that, or they just ignored
Literally this haha, they've displayed their primitive thinking and so many other aspects of the series that it is wholly believable that sex being a solution on the table makes 100% sense
@@mattersondoom... Based on the dark ages of English Europe. In case you didn't know or forgot, William Shakespeare wrote Juliette to be 12, and Romeo 17. It wasn't uncommon for adults, especially nobles, to hit on kids; nor was it not uncommon to see slavery in the 1500-1700's, at least until the end of the American Civil War.
A lot of Isekai tends to base itself on the morals of ye' olde' Europe, since it is well documented and often used as a setting for fantasy stories. Most authors tend to stay true to those tropes for their morale dubiousness, and it clearly works.
As an OLD anime fan since the 70's, people forget that anime is written for JAPANESE audiences based on their cultural values and mores, some of which are repulsive to Western sensibilities. There is nothing wrong with pointing out both great story elements and ugly ones.
It doesn't matter who it's written for. It's a fictional world with its own established cultural values. Our real-life moralities shouldn't matter in that story.
It is not really about who is written for or who audience the literature aimed at, people just don't get that what their reading and watching is separated from our reality. We have our own values, but some of those values do not apply to a fictional world where there is no modern technology.
@@joshhca6403 But Japanese authors take inspiration from their personal cultural values. Granted, they can be creative or well-read enough to create cultural values from other real-life examples or make them up from world-building.
What I was thinking about is the scene, as Otaku Spirit pointed out, is one where Rudy roughly handles Roxy. Older anime had scenes like that more often. In Japan, that was simply viewed as entertainment. Such story elements simply do not translate well in the West. Good news is that sort of style has faded in the modern era.
@@adaeptzulander2928 True in most LNs, WNs, Mangas, and animes even today, though I cannot say only Japanese views it as entertainment since there are also Japanese comsumers who reacted the same way as those haters do, but that is just what I think I knew, saw, and read.
So to me, Japanese authors taking inspiration from their personal cultural values are not the reasons this time when it comes to this episode or part of the chapters from the LN, as the characters of MT deficting some real life scenarios. I might be disagreeable, but that is what my opinion is.
@@adaeptzulander2928 they do not only use japanese cultural aspects though and i dont think this is a japanese only cultural thing we do crap like this in the west a lot as well. besides japan has been in the world wide market for a while they understand how we work over here for the most part now its not like its a 90s anime.
I find this funny as the tourists are WAY more obsessed with "sex" than the fans 😂
It’s always sex with them. They project their insecurities onto everyone else.
Unfortunately it’s not always the “tourist” who is obsessed.
@@DraGanix33you dont seem to make any point at all, it could be anyone for that matter, in this logic.
@@thepinktreeclubyes, that’s exactly my point “It could be anyone”
Fans & tourist.
@@DraGanix33 i see.
Episode 23 was fine... Rudus was hurting and Roxy was helping the one she loves then becomes his 2nd wife
Sometimes it's as simple as that. I remember asking my brother (who had finished the WN before I got here in LN) and he said "eh, it's a harem, I'm fine with them all.
@@otakuspirit Sir, do you read A Certain Magical Index?
@@otakuspiritYes I agree 100% with your brother, I’m fine with them all too haha, but I’m a huge harem fan, I’ve got like 300 volumes of harem manga haha.
Either way u gotta be a certain kinda Messer up to want to sleep with a married man with a kid on the way.
As a LN reader the only problem is that the anime version was that it could have done a better job of expanded on rudues and roxy relationship after they reunite, rudues would realizes he has feeling for her as more than his teacher and remember slyply words about him having more than 1 wife, then after paul death and this night occur it would have been viewed less as roxy taking advantage of him and more of he already decided to make her his wife but just didn't get a chance to talk it over with slyphy first, not like it have cellphone to call slyphy and explained the situaton before hand.
This topic makes me want to recommend a channel called Psyculturists. They have long format discussions about the mental health of anime characters and how those can actually effect people in real life. Watching the videos has really help understand how truly of a broken person Rudeus actually is and how long it takes for people to actually heal from trauma to how easy it is for those people to experience relapses.
PS. I got interrupted half way thru and wanted to recommend the channel cause it's what I've been watching lately. Never in my wildest dreams thought he would name drop them in the video. So just goes to show you should fully watch a video before commenting. Lol.
I love Ed's content. That man is brilliance and pensive joy personified.
Ed is great, points out alot of things that people miss.
No way man , I'm a novel reader and that guy makes me feel true anxiety
He had a bad take on Paul in season 1 that I really had to skip. Thankfully he was willing to listen to his chat read the light novel chapters that were relevant and changed his stance. He helped me really get a better grasp on why Eris is the way she is and how the characters in MT are better understood if you remove the lens of trope.
Jesus man you don’t have to tell me twice, I’m already subscribed and yeah he is an example of what this show should been looked.
I like that this show has characters that make mistakes and have to face consequences, and we can still love them. It remains my favorite anime ever from a story standpoint
Tell me what consequences Rudeus had to face again.
@@titaniumgamer_10 he wasn’t paying attention in the hydra fight and it go his father killed or when he was drunk or something and misspoke in front of Sara causing her to leave him permanently and he tried to kill himself after or when he misspoke infront of orsted and got violated and almost died
@@barnetsy1 In all these situations he gets saved by someone else right before he dies. If he was alone in any of these cases he would be dead. He didn't really fully suffer the consequences of his actions if someone constantly saves him now did he?
@@titaniumgamer_10 consequences don’t mean death consequences is a spectrum and comes in many shapes and forms most of rudeus’ consequences are mental like how when he first met nanohoshi he was traumatized by orsted even though he survived the fight or how he always goes back into depression he makes mistakes and suffers from it and then eventually learns to live with it
@@titaniumgamer_10 every situation I mentioned had a lasting effect on rudeus which he had to struggle for months and in some cases years to recover from that’s why mushoku tensei is liked because of its realism
I don't even think it's fair to call him "depressed". Yes, he's depressed, but Roxy didn't cure that. The problem was that he was stuck in a loop of survivors guilt and trying to work through the questions that he never got answered and never would.
What Roxy really did was get his mind out of that state by presenting him with something that he didn't need to think about to want to do.
he has severe ptsd.. and major depressive disorder it seems.
Rudeus had a lot of relapses across the entire novel, and This is Far from the worst one, Season 3 will have the worst one
@@davidsamudio3899 I wouldn't call Oldius a "relapse" lol
Welcome to Mushoku Tensei, where flawed people make flawed choices in a flawed world
I always knew that Mushoku Tensei was extremely popular but after last episode, it seems like literally everyone on Twitter started watching it overnight. Wild.
lol thank you for being one of the few normal MT fans. You hit the biggest point I always try to share when talking about this series of “It’s not our world”.
Rudeus even touches upon this when they first buy Julie. He’s like “oh wait slavery is a thing here. It feels weird but alright, we can at least help make this girl’s life better”
Applying today’s standards to a fictional world that looks like something out of a DnD campaign just ain’t going to work. You morally can disagree with LOTS of things in this series, and that’s OKAY! Rudeus is in a “When in Rome” situation of a culture that is not the one he’s originally from in modern-day Japan.
Just because it’s something YOU don’t agree with, doesn’t automatically mean it’s wrong or bad and I wish people could go into more controversial media like MT with that mindset
So if I was transported to 1700s America and bought some slaves, it would be OK because that's just how the world is right? Just because that's the standard, it doesn't make it right.
@@titaniumgamer_10 bait
@@titaniumgamer_10 again that's the mindset of the 19th century onward, in the world of MT if you try to abolish slavery you become an enemy of the country and you will be hunt down 😅
It's wild to me that this criticism stresses so much that sex isn't the answer, but says its fine to punch him, omitting the cheating aspect in this scenario, having sex to feel better should be way more acceptable that violence. Also while the cheating is horrible, and i feel it could hurt Sylphie, I also feel like she would be the type to thank her for saving her Husband, so unless it was a case of him leaving her to be with another person, I would rather a partner that cheated once but still loved me, instead of a dead one.
if I was rudy and sylphie got triggered with my cheating I'd just say I lost my dad, mom is in a coma, and you think nothing of it?
of course I'd never say that in current year, because I'd never marry in current year in the first place.
Your observation on this show is on point, unlike those brain rot, "oh cheater, booo"
watched this episode with my gf she was sooooo heated and was mad at Roxy and when I explained everything to her she was telling me how much she hates this show because of how realistic it feels. And she questions herself why she’s so invested in the show when it’s so fked up in a lot of ways. 😭😂
Good writing does this though. Who needs vanilla shyte
Then everyone clapped
LN explained why Roxy did that anime version just made it look like Roxy took advantage when in the LN it was clear it was to cheer up Rudy, when elinalise figured out she was pregnant she wanted Rudy to marry Roxy by taking responsibility and she wanted Rudy to accept roxy like Paul did for linia, it wasn't explained in the anime so anime only got mad
I mean it's "cheating" and norn and sylphie not gonna be happy with this but I mean him and Roxy was super obvious you guys already know Rudy's personality but what Roxy did was the right thing to do, ain't no way anybody else cheering him up seggs is the only way to cheer this mf up he's emotionally weak and seggs is the only cure for him
People are mad over a fictional relationship in a fictional story. That's really funny 💀
The fact that they really think it is this important shows how IMMERSIVE this anime or just story is in general. People are genuinely getting mad over a fictional story says alot as to how they think about it, they're really immersed. I mean, even I love it, and it doesn't follow my own rules and all, but I still remember that this is a fictional story. It is something for me to just think about, to watch, not to take seriously at all, and enjoy it. If they don't like it, then don't watch it!
My wife watched it with me and had no problem with the story... even though both of us agree if one of us did this it would end our marriage... its a fictional story grow up tourists
So, I sought out the original comment since I was curious what the original poster even wanted to get out of this post... tbh it seems they just wanted people to acknowledge that what happened in this episode was "MORALLY WRONG." That is literally all. Which is just insane to me. No sane person watching MT would argue that what happened in this episode isn't actually morally wrong - Rudeus even refers to himself as a scumbag because he knows what he and Roxy did *behind Sylphy's back* was fucked up and wrong. It just seemed to me like the poster wanted to vent somehow and have people congratualate him for his superior morals and for the fact that they correctly identified that Rudeus and Roxy acted immorally in this episode. It's so childish.
In short, the poster was virtue signalling.
Except roxy is the scumbag in this situation. Rudy has basically been a saint since he married sylphie
@@jebes909090 I don't argue that Roxy is not in the wrong for sleeping with what she knows was a married man but Rudeus still is a scumbag too since he now loves Roxy despite promising to Sylphie to stay faithful to her. He broke a promise he made by himself.
Mind you, I have no issue with polygamy and him marrying Roxy in general as long as Sylphy consents to it. I just want to make it clear that Rudy is also morally in the wrong in this episode because of the promise he put on himself.
Tbh if he had told Sylphy from the start "I'm a bit weak willed and might get a second wife in the future..." then I wouldn't even be mad at what Rudy does in this episode. It's the fact that he made the promise to stay only loyal to her alone and broke that promise which is the issue for him.
Yeah. A lot of people just want to get on their high horses.
Man this guy your reading from sounds like he has the perfect life with no problems and don't know wht depression really is or nevwr been depressed. Like "get over it", "man up", da hell🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️. This man would have people off them selves cause of wht he saying🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
If that OP interacts with someone that has depression, they might just cause that person to off themselves.
I really hope that doesn't happen, as someone that deals/has dealt with depression and has someone very close to them that regularly deals with it and that has themselves experienced very real, very bad trauma, this person is one of the worst kind of humans: "Just don't be depressed bro."
People like the OP literally causes the death of people.
Edit: OP = poster of the thread Otaku Spirit was reading ;)
Absolutely, the guy is so devoid of basic empathy it's actually scary. I can imagine this fuckwit going up to his depressed friend who's father just died and saying "Stop being a depressed weak little boy, your dad is dead and now YOU have the responsibility to look after all these people... pull yourself up by the bootstraps".
Only love can break a heart. Only love can mend it again- Gene Pitney
I actualy liked the adaptation version it did make me smile. Roxy going to Rudy was sweet and endearing. I am not endorsing cheating, although I can understand why. I served in the armed forces and I have seen many cultures that are not mine, I learned not to judge other cultures based on my own. I don't have to like it, but i don't have to judge it. Anyways, watching Roxy going to Rudy reminded me of the movie A Knight's Tale. Jocelyn got mad mad when William says he will win the tournement for her, she responds saying winning does not serve her honnor only his. she goes on to say if he wants to prove his love then loose. So durring his matches he just sits on his horse letting his oponets hammer away at him. At first she's all happy to see him loosing on purpose for her. She then she realizes how much he's getting hurt so she tells him if he loves her then he will will his remaing matches, so with much fustration he does so. At the end he cannot go to the party due to being so badly hurt. later Chauser sees Jocelyn sneak into his tent he remarks to himself "And so Guinevre goes to Lancelot. Bed him well my lady, bed him well" That line poped in my mind when Roxy locked the door. Ironicly, Guinivere was cheating on King Arthur with Lancelot.
We have all done things we regret and we aren't proud of... That is what makes us human... And in fiction it's something that adds to good relatable characters.
Indeed. As human race
Summary: Normies are babies.
It's a STORY, not an endorsement to commit adultery.
The complainers aren’t normies; they are very much ABnormies - people who cannot distinguish reality from imagination, or understand why the plots of good stories necessarily HAVE to have bad guys and flawed characters.
Don't most people commit adultery on a regular basis these days? I'm sure anyone mad about this, would be very like to do what Rudy did in this scene.
@@takedown205productions6 technically the new definitions no.. the old definition most definitely yes
This half of the season could've been greatly improved by the single addition of one more episode between the events of 10 and 11.
Like, imagine episode 10 ended with pauls death, then, in this hypothetical episode we see the gang going back to the town, and THEN figuring out Zenith is a vegetable, only for Rudeus to have this long internal monologue between the first and last quarter of the episode, leaving just a couple minutes for that conversation between Elinalise, Geese, and Roxy
That would allow episode 11 (or rather this new episode 12) to remain relatively untouched while adding greatly needed context and emotions.
Indeed
To me the whole event in the light novel felt like when a bunch of stranded people eat their dead. It's a reproachable behavior, but understandable in that situation. Rudeus was slowly dying, he was in a weak state of mind (not only from starving, but from sleep deprivation), they couldn't return without him (due to the magical sandstorm). He would have died if nothing was done.
Something, i feel, that the casual watcher of Mushoku Tensei haven't been able to pick up on is that this is a "coming of age" story on steroids. Coming of age stories are supposed to have growing pain moments and this story is absolutely FILLED with them. Rudeus' biggest hang up is his own arrogance about how the world work because he was reincarnated. He hasn't understood that in his new life, when he was 10... He really was only 10. He knew nothing of the world he was born into.
Another thing people seem to forget when watching a show is that the characters don't have all the context that we have as the outside observers of their world and we can't know the struggles that they're going through as though we were there ourselves. Only those who have had they arm ripped off and watched their dad die in the same moment only to find out their mother had an infantial mental regress in the very next moment could ever possibly truly relate to what he was going through with Roxy
Rudeus is an extremely well written character as well as the rest of Mushoku Tensei. Although I'm not an expert in story telling by any means, I'm not afraid to say that i believe Mushoku Tensei is a perfect story
Honestly, it's not Mushoku Tensei when it doesn't have controversy.
And I'm sure all of us saw this coming from 10 miles away.
Bro have caught Bulbasaur and Squirtle now he’s going after Charmander
It's honestly embarrassing listening to people who after reading/watching some fiction complain with "Well, I would have done X! ". Not only is it a fictitious situation, with fictitious characters, but the response from different people depend on their own experiences and values (something which applies to well made characters too). A lot of what that guy commented just sounds like virtue signaling and self praise. He is basically saying "you are not allowed to be depressed" and "you are not allowed to make mistakes even when you are on a weak state of mind" or else you are not a man. Absolutely unreasonable.
i feel that the affair makes more sense in the anime. cause if youre not in the mood for eating for a month i find it hard to believe you will just go... "s3x yes please". here its more that she seduced him made her think of the relationship between them and all his fantasies and that was the change that made him snap out. it was him getting caught in the moment and getting "everything he ever wanted as a kid from Roxy" that could break the depresion. in my eye feels more like a realistic way an affair like this could go down.
the problem with mushoku tensei is that too many children watch a show made for adults, and there is a lot of people that grows old but never mature mentally
Self-centered brats in adult's body never have the empathy to stand in other's shoes. They must push their views, judge, and win. You disagree with them, they hate your guts.
I think it was a really important hint that depression and mental health is grossly mishandled in the universe when they mentioned "Roxy needs to go back into the dungeon or else she'll be cursed to never enter again". Rudeus noting that they dont understand trauma here. It was foreshadowing.
These people see trauma and depression as almost magical maladies with obscure cures. It makes sense that there's no therapeutic, holistic recovery regiment that they know of. Only simple barbaric strategies.
34:54 the brothel thing wasn't a problem with geese, it was that Rudy wouldn't bounce back (or really want to) have sex with someone he doesn't have an emotional connection with. ESPECIALLY because he's married with a kid on the way.
Also if you remember in the show they actually have a mythos in that world too, For a lot of different things for example don't use fire magic in a cave because it'll make carbon dioxide. Cuz it will choke you out and kill you they don't know that is actually carbon dioxide but Rudy understands that's why they says don't do it inside of the cave because it probably led to a lot of deaths. Same thing with having a close encounter inside of a dungeon it's best to go back into the dungeon because you'll have lifelong trauma as also its a thing that happens with alot of people especially Car Accidents ( Trust me I was one of them). So in there world I would 100% get how recommending somebody to get laid to cure the depression will be enforced by this mythos because It has worked before and even Annalise's backs up that notion and Roxy was reinforced by it. But I could understand how people you do their 9 to 5 and then you know only have a little bit of brain power left watching the show and really don't catch on to these mynute details so it is what it is I guess.
I think the fact that rifujin's changes to make the story acceptable to a "broader audience" backfired so spectacularly is a good thing for the series. It should teach him that these people will always find something to complain about and he shouldn't listen to them.
And hopefully the production team will also learn to really push him to justify any anime original changes he proposes.
Nah the web novel has a LOT of unnecessary sexual stuff in that adds nothing to the story. He refined it for the light novel
Wake up The LN wasn't good around this part of the story
@@m7mad182 Just not true
Even with modern morals i think Roxy would make the same decision. The in that situation it boils down to two options. "One: do I take the moral high road and watch him die" or "Two: do I do everything in your power to save him even if society condems me". The odds that Rudeus could pull himself out of it once it gotten to that point is extremely slim anyone saying otherwise haven't delt with someone that far gone or delt with it themself. Plus they are in an area without propper treatment.
What would Sylphy prefer? A jar of ashes and a few momentos; or a living husband.
In real life they would know you havnt been starving nearly long enough for it to matter. And there is literally nothing "doing it" can fix that companionship won't unless you actually aren't depressed and just lustful. There is no evidence what so ever to show he couldnt have gotten out of it.
@@TheThebigice these are all maybes, but doing it is not what "fixed it" it was roxy being there for him and understanding and communicating and being supportive and helping him cope, plus sex releases a ton of chemicals and things and can even help mend things and clear your mind which also an influence, rudeus isn't healed though and things aren't just fixed. Reality isn't that simple and the anime did leave a lot of that out so that's part of the issue.
@@yulfine1688 There is no chemical that sex produces that will cure depression.
Like you said..communication and support would have done everything he needed.
If you are saying that wasnt enough you are saying the sex cured him.
And sex can only clear your mind if you are lusting. Because you have satisfied the urge that was clouding it. If that was the case it was just lust.
There is nothing complicated to observe her.
@@TheThebigice Multiple things you said is false.. the chemicals released temporarily relieve a ton of stress and can even alleviate depression symptoms and mania for a short time. You do not have to be lusting to have a clear head afterwards it's dependant on multiple factors and for rudeus it was clearly shown.
Buddy I have ptsd and bipolar disorder, I am positive I have a general idea about these things.. One from my psychiatrists and other social workers and two my own research and even experiences.
@@yulfine1688
So tell me about the chemicals that cause depression please and their biochemical interaction with sex.
And if sex cures it then yes it was just the urge blocking your thought. Sex produces more chemicals in your head but supresses the reward stimili from succeeding at matting and the stress from not. If all it took was sex yes it was just lust.
I love seeing people get mad about mushoku tensei, I think it's hilarious that people get so mad at a FICTIONAL series as if they're REAL PEOPLE. People get more mad at Mushoku tensei than they get at Dr Disrespects most recent allegations...
The characters on this show feels real, and that is so genius to me. The only series I think that do it better than Mushoku is Game of Thrones.
@@dariocostta Frieren
@@y.1190 Nah, Frieren is one of my favorites, but it not feel that real. Is hard to believe Himmel would die saying nothing, or all his friends, Fern would look to Stark things and he would not suspect or question that, and a bunch of stuff like that. Is really great, and deliver great questions and reflections, but this aspect is not there as full as in the ones I mentioned. And I think is better for the moral of Freiren's story that way.
Been rewatching Mushoku Tensei and something I haven't seen anyone comment on is how this was actually a direct call back to the end of season 1. Rudy and Eris finally make it home after years of hard travel only for Eris to find out that her mother and father died and her grandfather was wrongfully executed. She broke down and had sex with Rudy to make her feel better. It's kind of crazy how similar the ending of s1 is to this with both characters having a loss of parents and using sex to get out of their depression.
I dont understand why people care enough about a fictional person cheating on their wife to be so mad about it online
Rudy took responsibility the first chance he saw Sylphy, asked her outright, and left the decision up to her. Watching people lose their minds over polyamory is highly amusing, as they couldn't begin to comprehend the idea of somebody living a very different life from themselves. In-world. Only the Millis faith is monogamous, and outside of that Rudy was exposed to it at an incredibly young age. If we take his previous life into consideration as well, he never had good interactions with people due to trauma, even among those that did care for him. If we apply typical ethics and morals of our own world, he's actually doing the right thing by not hiding things (like Paul did) and admitting his mistake. In the end, people say Sylphy has no self-respect here.. but in reality I'd argue that she's doing the right thing by making her own choice on the matter. She's even taking into consideration Roxy's feelings on the matter which she has no real reason to do so. This scene more than shoows that not only is Rudeus a better person than Paul was, Sylphy is more compassionate than Zenith was. If you recall, Rudeus had to make Paul out to be an absolute MONSTER to save his half-mother and sister. In conclusion, Sylphy holds no ill will because she expected Rudeus to buckle, and was prepared for it long beforehand. Especially knowing this was an unforeseen circumstance that otherwise would not have caused a deviation from his loyalty.
This episode is like a 6.5 or 7/10 for me as a LN reader, they removed scenes that (IMO) was pretty damn important and I think that hurts the anime adaptation
Hopefully the manga (as bad as I think it is) can be closer to the source material in comparison to the anime adaptation
I actually started reading the light novels before this episode and the LN just explained the situation so much better and was just easier to empathize with
Feel like people forget that it’s normal in there world for noble, rich and powerful men to take multiple wives. His first wife was ok with Rudy taking on more wine an even though he denied he would. Rudy is literally known as the most powerful magician in the city with the most powerful magicians in that world. If his other wives don’t mind then why do people care.
I always put myself in Rudy’s shoes after he’s made the decision I never could’ve. How do I make 2 women feel loved equally? This seems like the biggest challenge in Rudy’s life from my standpoint. Weird that this is where my mind goes?
Well if they didnt do it Rudy wouldn’t have another problem to think about. Atleast hes focusing in the present and his future. Rather than he thinking about his parents
Indeed.
Audience and Rudy is depressed about Pauls death.
Roxy: bet I can make all of you stop being depressed.
...
Roxy : Perhaps it worked too well😅
I don't get why people want characters to be perfect, it's so much more interesting when they aren't
Anime only here. Having watched the episode and listened to all the spoilers; I still enjoyed the episode and feel like it's among the best for season 2. Only thing I want to know is what is Roxy's dad going to think?
@@SCPhillips32 Nothing much they will be happy
Mostly anime only here. & honestly I don’t understand the hate, it just seems like people are complaining to complain.
& Im speaking on everyone, the “I hate this so Imma complain” to the “How dare you hate what I like, so Imma complain”
I don't know if the culture of Roxy's people are the same as the others but polygamy isn't particularly strange for powerful/rich people in that world. So long as their daughter is loved and cared for and protected and (I assume) given children (again, culture dependent) then they would be pretty happy. Proud even.
I mean if they're particularly progressive parents they would only care if their daughter chose this and wasn't forced into it and is happy.
Its almost as if life isnt a fairytale. Emotions are messy, Death is messy. Love can be messy. Its no real surprise that a person can end up making a messed up choice that they may not have done in any other circumstance
To add on. It's not called post nut clarity for nothing
I just want to say I feel like you responded to that post in this video really well. I think the big issue with the poster (and a lot of socity) is that they like to think that depression and other mental illnesses can just be cured with logic, when sadly this clearly isn't the case. As someone that provides support to people with mental health problems, if this worked then I wouldn't even need to do my job. The truth is however the complete opposite. I've suffered from deep long depression myself when I first had a patient die that I cared for. I stayed in bed for days. I didn't eat. I didn't wash. I knew what I would of told my patients. I knew that just getting out of bed and doing simple tasks like having a wash or a small walk would likely help me. But that's the core here. Our body & brain don't work on logic in these situations. Our psychological pain just shorts circuits everything. In the end the thing that helps most isn't telling people what they should and shouldn't do - it's as you also said. It's supportive communities. Those that are willing to step up and say "Whatever has happened. Whatever you're going though. We're here for you, and we're not going anywhere!"
I do think they should’ve stuck to the light novel because it didn’t make the tourist happy it didn’t make the source material readers happy.
This is what happens when you try to play both They both end up complain
Yup in LNs n anime
Heavenly disagree
Honestly your gripes in this episode is the same as mine. Even the reason for accepting certain changes.
First, is the bar scene with geese, liz, talhand and roxy being cut. I can understand they cannot fully adopt certain scenes that is why I was able to be settled with at least the Roxy and Rudy talk where Roxy explained her side. Lots of context was removed but the main key points are in the conversation.
Second, is the changing of Roxy taking the initiative as opposed to Rudy doing it. Had a gripe with it, as I saw it as a form of censorship but knowing that Rifujin was involved, it also kinda imply that it was not censorship as it had the authors permission. The only thing I can say is it is Rifujin's story so it his choice to how he wants to present it in anime format.
Third and last, is the removal of the hypothetical story of Rudy to Roxy. Like I know it is not important to the grand scheme of the story but it just put sooo much substance to the understanding of Roxy as a character to Rudy. Additionally, they cannot even say that it is not important because they would be undermining the scene of Sylphie asking Nanahoshi about why she thought that Rudy was from the same hometown. Like if Rudy's hypothetical story to Roxy is not important. How is Sylphie asking Nanahoshi about her hometown important?
Anyway thank you for the great discussion regarding this "controvertial" episode. Looking forward for more discussion and Mushoku Mondays.
What r they gona do when Rudy's son marry his aunt
I've watched a vid reaction with a shrink on eps 23 he said sex would work in that situation.she point out to him she had connections to him thru her love of his parents and rudeus loved and idolised roxy since he was 5 yrs old. Even after sex she continued to support him for the 2 months that it took them to get back to the teleport temple.
"UNALIVE" TRIGGER WARNING, read at your own discretion. (I hate having to use that stupid word instead but I'm afraid UA-cam might just filter the comment automatically if you use some certain words at times.)
Yeah, about the "what if" scenario about what would happen if Rudeus hadn''t had anyone to console him... I'm 100% certain he would have died. The argument that having a wife and a child on the way would somehow stop him from doing that, while seeming rational, is sadly not enough to stop many people from spiraling into utter depression and ********* themselves. Case in point, I had a neighbour who has a huge family with a loving wife, 3 young teenage sons and a daughter and that guy was very loving and happy most of the time. However he seemingly had these depression episodes from time to time... one night he just went into their private garden and ****** himself. If a man with such a loving family can lose himself so much in such a depressive state to stop thinking about the 4 kids and his wife then absolutely every person can succumb to depression and despair if it just hits you in the most tragic way without you having some kind of support system/net to help you out... And even if you have a support system of some kind - it sometimes tragically just isn't enough if the person themselves isn't receptive enough to it. People who are driven that far to the edge of depression just don't have the capacity to think rationally about the people they are going to leave behind, sadly.
I'm willing to be its because she's a cheating wife and the divorce courts would do everything to steal his money so that the corrupt divorce lawyers gets his money while giving breadcrumbs to the wife which she is more than willingly to get even if it means destroying him.
she probably can't wait to jump to Chad's schwing.
It really upset me listening to this post being read, this OP seems to have a genuine lack of empathy, being incapable of stepping outside thier own little box and into the shoes of others. Morally grandstanding like that about the incredibly weighty issue that the episode was dealing with juat show how shallow their thinking is. Dealing with the grief, depression and guilt that Rudy was experiencing isn't easy, especially if those trying to help have no knowledge regarding how to help. Its incredibly different, when i was watching that episode, it brought up so much emotions for me. I lost my first born son as an infant. It was devastating to my wife and I, and i had her with me to grieve with, Rudy didnt, yes he had his friends, but they couldnt understand what he was going through, they all tried in their own way to reach him, but couldn't. In the end it was Roxy who had finally reached him, it might not have been morally right, but it worked. And it saved his life, Sylphie will no dount be hurt by this, but in the end, her husband came back to her.
Having roxy take the initiative shows she has desires and a will of her own. How the Ln told it would make rudy seem as if he was a rapist.
I agree with you here.
Anime version made Roxy seem like a rap*st so there's no winning here. Also at least in the LN, Roxy explicitly consented unlike in the anime adaption where Rudy doesn't really say anything. The anime does a worse job in this aspect when it comes to r*pe and consent.
Also if you wanna just go by power dynamics on it's own, Rudy looks at Roxy as his master and someone he looks up to and respects. Anime version is much more "rap*y" than the LN and that's why I hate the change personally.
@cryptokey1986 I would've wrote the scene differently. Way anime does it close but not good enough to show the why.
Elinalise sums it up to the bashers. "Are you a Milis follower? because if you're not then what is wrong?"
Always funny how crazy people get over a fucking Anime 😂😂😂
It's so amusing. xD
Projecting there issues to fictional characters is wild haha 😂
So long as it doesn't end up like "agreement sometimespace" I don't mind if they cut a bit, I just hope they still keep it's quality
Let the bridge burn. We can’t have Mushoku Tensei without Twitter freaked out anyway
Ikr in this era
Fu¢k em
I have to say I agree with you 100%. The LN adds more context, which can give you a better understanding of the characters' actions, but it doesn't change what happened. If I didn't watch something every time a character made a choice I don't agree with, I wouldn't have anything to watch. There wouldn't be anyone on the planet I could talk to myself included because nobody is perfect, and people make some really dumb and stupid decisions. What's important is how you learn and grow as you progress through life.
Light novel readers expected divisions between fans and toutists, a filter. What we got is a bunched of pissed of light novel readers and anime onlies who found the episode to be "okay".
That's a problem because it shouldn't be like that. This episode is actually the EMOTIONAL CLIMAX of not only this volume but the entire series so far. That's the Rudy flashbacks and him processing his own grief. That has a WHOLE CHAPTER dedicated to it. It's the chapter we readers cried a lot in. Rudy is grieving not only his current parents but his previous one. For the third time, he's reverted back to a NEET, but, this time, he plans to die with them, starving himself as he replays Paul's death over and over. There are sooooo many moments here that reveals a lot about Rudeus, his reincarnation, his new life, EVERYTHING.
Emotional climax of the series so far? That seems like quite the statement to make, a subjective one at that. We have had whole chapters for emotional shit in earlier volumes too... like something can be important without it being THE emotional climax. It is maybe one of many emotional climaxes throughout the series.
“Anime onlys who found the episode to be ‘okay’ “- this isn’t true lmao the vast majority of anime onlys had a very positive reaction to the episode, just like Otaku Spirit says in the video. It’s mostly LN readers and a small % of Anime fans that were upset.
To further the point of "they're not psychologist" is their ignorance of the concept of Carbon Dioxide poisoning in the dungeon. Its the same mental concept
A scenario where they may not know the true solution or explanation bc of lack of knowledge but they exist in the knowledge they have and use the tools (mental & physical) they are given to solve issues. In this case sex was seen as a tool to get someone out of depression
I actually do see quite a bit of comments saying that due to the mushoku tensei having a culture of polygamy him cheating is not a big deal. Which I've found really puzzling.
From the perspective of their world's inhabitants it's not as much of a taboo. It's still cheating and a mistake though, because he made her a promise.
To the world in MT, it is really not a big deal. Him being part of a noble family also matters. But to Rudeus, it matters. Because he has seen it with his dad. So, he wants to take responsibilty for him, Sylphie and Roxy. I know Sylphie doesn't mind him marrying others, I hope they go in a mature tone. Don't try to justify the act. But rather resolve it in a satisfactory manner.
I'm not aware of people calling Rudy a "giga chad" for cheating on his wife. The closest that I've noticed is that people are praising the story for not pulling punches and themselves not being shamed by liking the act of cheating as a resolution for a problem in the story. I'd even bet that it's because it's not a clean or perfect solution that it's such a compelling one.
E.g.
Tourist: "Did Rudy having sex and cheating on his pregnant wife really help shake his mental paralysis?"
MT Enjoyer: [gigachad face] "Yes."
Also, while people do enjoy harems, MT is one of the few stories that his harem makes sense. In terms of setting, circumstances, and what you might call the resolution. He's technically minor nobility (hereditary and later granted), Roxy and Eris feel just as sensible of partners individually as Sylphy, and they ultimately end up taking on different roles in the family.
In the nivel when Eris is already there and she has a girls night with Roxy and Sylphie, she remembered something Sauros said "You can tell the caliber of a noble by how well his wives get along", if that isn't the biggest signifier about how Multiple partners is normal I don't know what its
@@davidsamudio3899 It also explained perfectly why she didn't care that his letter said he had already taken on two wives.
my biggest and probably only complaint is that it really does seem like all the major arcs for him are signaled by sex. Eris started a whole new adventure, Sylphy fixed his depression, and Roxy fixed his depression again. it makes the actual emotional progress hes making less meaningful. IMO. Honestly if Roxy did literally anything else to take him out of depression and they took a little time to build romance i would be all for it.
I was reading through comments hoping to find the words that would express these thoughts I couldn't seem to point to. Something seemed off for me since the beginning of the series, and now that I read you I realize what it was: The huge importance sex seems to have. I have no problems with sex, but it's like you said, it kind of makes the whole emotional process that is to grieve feel meaningless or inexistent. It would seem that all that is needed for anyone to recover is to have sex, the magical panacea that instantly cures even the most profound of depressions, immediately reignites the will to live, and even cures the soul from the existential dread and pain of having no clue what we are, what we're doing, or where we are... I'm not saying the emotional connection that would be implied in doing it with someone can't be of help, but to have the "one romantic night" with Sylphie or Roxy being the magic medicine just kind of bothers me. One would wish it was so easy! Then again I'm an anime only and who knows if there are some plot twists expecting me regarding this whole situation... Yet as it stands, it seems like a guy with deep depression who would cope with sexual "deviations" so to speak, gets reincarnated only to have it all be about sex one more time, this time even with his first obsession/crush... It makes me wonder if that actually gets us growing up.
@@Arcano_doce I'm also anime only but I've scoured the interwebs for all the spoilers I can get haha. If you watched the skipped content of this episode posted on this channel, if they animated that I agree that it would be better as if would have highlighted the messy nature of all of it but even that wasn't perfect. A weak mc isn't an issue, even banging his way out of it could be a character development arc. But one night fixing grief and trauma seems off. Also while he kinda loved her, he more worshiped her haha. She's loved him for about a couple days. Like her bringing him out of depression could have been a really genuine love arc for them and a genuine emotional arc for Rudy. Wasted opportunity IMO. But as someone said in other comments, this is technically a harem. Haha I think it's easy to forget that harem universes have their own rules.
@@brettstech I indeed watched the skipped content video from mr Otaku Spirit and I just 1000% agree with everything you said, friend. That very last line, about this being a harem and therefore having it's own rules, finally made the click on me -I was still trying to have it make sense! I think I am ready to let it go now and remember this is an isekai after all, even if the "flawed mc" premise and good writing sometimes seems to take it elsewhere. Thank you for this!
With Eris and Sylphie they had alot of time together and it was expected they also connect to eachother
With Eris they made a promise so i was expecting it to happen at some point its the aftermath thats surprising but its a realization point for her
With Sylphie Rudeus has ED and was depressed for years so i expected it
There are other points in the series that dont involve sex that lead to a new journey and growth so i dont really mind
With Roxy i didn't really expect it until she came into the room i was like here we go again 😂
I really love this video ❤
It really explains everything clearly and this is by far my favourite people who really delves in the characters preferences...
The Spiciness of this anime series is what makes me get a popcorn and just ended up watching all of the drama and in peoples thought about this.
Since this ep, has released I already expected all of the people, how they react to this... dividing the mushoku tensai community
Each of there opinions and thoughts about this is what really makes me enjoyed the series
Im excited of what happens next maybe there would be a huge nuke bomb gonna happen... nobody knows😊
It’s an anime in a fictitious world where magic and polygamy exist. Go to bed with your morality takes smh.
Ikr.
I personally adore this show, and its story. I can’t wait to watch more. I was originally anime only, but for season 2 I’ve watched almost all of the skipped content videos to try to get more info on it. I loved season 1 so much that I went and read the manga, and that’s the first time I’ve ever read any manga at all.
Read the light novel not the manga
The amount of anger that person has about the actions of a fictional person in a fictional world that has a very different culture and moral foundation than us is silly. It is just a story, and an entertaining one at that.
1. Ed (Psyculturists) is amazing, I'm glad you mentioned him. His analysis on MT is the best around. Side note, with how far you are in the LN you for sure don't have to worry about spoilers from his chat. His mods are very good at filtering spoilers and even then, nothing even comes close to being mentioned past vol 14. But even that is his chat just messing with him about "the rat" but even he still has no idea what that means, it's just an ongoing joke with his followers.
2. I am a LN reader myself; I've read the entire story and MT has been one of my favorite stories of all time. However, the LN readers have been the most annoying people in regard to this episode. They act like the story is completely ruined because of the changes that were made. It's not that big of a deal, the end result was even still pretty much the exact same as in the LN. All of the complaining is unnecessary, and they should just enjoy what they get instead of harping on the adaptation being exactly 1 to 1. I'm just happy to have this masterclass of a story be adapted at all and on top of that be adapted as well as it has been. Despite the changes, you can't deny the amount of care that is put into the anime and the story in general. I was also happy to hear you say that it's the author's story and as long as he is okaying the changes to HIS story that it is perfectly fine.
That's all I really have to say about that, you got a sub from me!
Maybe it’s worth thinking about why the readers of Ln think so and at the same time think about how the characters will be spoiled? Rudeus risks Sylphy's feelings and his family for no reason just because he loves the girl who raped him. everything that Rudeus said, says and will say does not make sense since now he can easily refuse the words that he loves Sylphy and Roxy and wants to make them happy, because he does not need reasons to refuse his words. and this completely kills the entire future of the anime since everything Rudeus says and does will be simply fake. I don’t want an adaptation of 1 to 1, I don’t want to regret that the second season exists, that’s all
People often forget that Milis loves sinners.
Listen. I would put my life against anyone here as far as shit lives. Highlights, my husband was both abusive and gay, I had two strokes because Pfizer's fucking "vaccine", because I was having to take blood thinners, I had to get an emergency hysterectomy because I was bleeding to death.
Those are just the highlights.
But I do think that makes me more than able to talk about depression. While I was married, I was bad about drinking water even. I wasn't necessarily trying to kill myself, but I became kind of a lump. I didn't eat unless someone made me, I didn't drink unless someone made me or I started to feel really really crappy, I never choked on my food, but I never saw a violent death in front of me. I can at least say that much.
Debilitating depression is a thing. It's insidious, and it's hard to break. I had several years while I was going on depression medicine off depression medicine, bouncing from therapist to therapist trying to get me better. Sometimes, especially after last year, I still catch myself forcing myself to drink sometimes. In fact I can tell you, the only reason I'm still around right now is because of my parents. As soon as they go, I'm afraid I'm just going to stop taking my medicine.
If Silphie have been physically there, had been basically a camp woman, which would have been incredibly dangerous and stupid when she was pregnant, but if she had been there she could have taken care of Rudy. She was not there however. She was pregnant. She was not able to travel.
There are extenuating circumstances, and I would argue that Rudy's "extra wives" are extenuating circumstances. While I was married to that thing, I would have joyfully jumped the bones of anyone that seemed interested. Hurt and tragedy have consequences. Do not ever talk about what you would do or what someone should have done unless you have been in their shoes.
People being over invested into the fictional stories will never cease to amaze me. It's a fictional story about a broken man getting second chance at life, trying his best and still making a lot of mistakes along the way. You are not supposed to like everything he does - this was the case in season 1 with all the weird things he's done as a kid and it continues to be the case now. It's ok to not like everything a character does, I would argue this is what makes this story so compelling - Rudeus is not a perfect hero and that makes him more real. It doesn't make him evil - he is a good person that in his times of weaknesses makes mistakes. But to me he still grows and learns to do better through those mistakes.
I feel whoever wrote that isn't past 15 at least mentally, I just hope that kid can actually grow and look past this post as a silly thing. Hopefully he doesn't hurt someone that's going trough a hard time.
How many men in military service stationed weeks/months from their wives have found themselves in similar situations?
Some viewers can not tell fiction from non-fiction and should leave anime and manga's alone.
Also, from the party's standpoint (especially Elinalise's) they know how difficult the route across the desert will be, especially when escorting (at least, maybe three?) two non-combatants. Elinalise also would be unsure if Roxy would be able to use the teleportation circle back to Sharia. The possibility that Rudy dies of starvation before they even leave, let alone him being a walking corpse (and defensive liability) on a VERY dangerous road, makes getting him back to a semi-functioning human being paramount. It was a shitty solution to an even shittier problem.
this show is realistic in how people would respond to trauma, the moral puritans need to touch grass and actually explore the world and read about history.... maybe then they'll understand how realistic the choices this show makes
it also gives Roxy more power; personality wise, and she decides her fate not Rudy.
The way they keep saying “a real man” is strange, and I think they’re making this post because their own partner cheated on them, it’s why they’re so salty about this point.
Can't wait to see how the tourists react when the Anime reintroduces Eris and brings her into the mix, it's going to be hilarious!
😭 Thats one of my most anticipated things aswell not just for the epic stuff but to watch people seethe due to their dislike over her and then the whole introduction to the family.
I hope they keep Rudeus saying come at me Millis fools 😂
Being poly and a war vet, I have tried to avoid these videos because of people pushing their beliefs on people. I appreciate that you point out that it is your personal belief and not everyone’s. Also being a war vet that now suffers, sometimes sex with someone that you have a connection with is one of the only things that will give you enough will to continue to live another day. This poster honestly makes me sick because they clearly haven’t hit bottom before.
Edit: obviously this person has no idea of survivors guilt as well nor a thing about trauma bonding.
Also Roxy did the right thing. I doubt Sylphie would have preferred a dead “faithful” husband. I honestly would expect the same if the reverse happened to Sylphie or Roxy and they were with someone that they were attached to.
I'm an anime-only, so I appreciate the insight as to the difference between the anime and the light novels. I normally don't like spoilers, but I've even looked ahead to see how things play out. It's normally because most animes don't get multiple seasons. Thank you for the hard work you put into these videos and continue doing so.
The 'sex isn't a cure for depression' person is hilarious... I suffered from chronic depression for years and as I decided to get a minor in psychology... Our bodies release a lot of positive emotion boosting chemicals into us when we have sex. We also feel better with strong emotional connections and sex is a a physical bonding activity (generally, though the impact can vary person to person). So while sex won't 'cure' depression it can pull us out of a negative emotional space and help us balance out our emotions. If you have developed some coping mechanisms once your emotional balance is better you can push back your own depressive state. So in fact depression can be treated with sex... With a emotionally committed partner.
This btw is a reason couples should have a good sex life and hold on to their strong emotional connection.
I can confirm that sex does help one's mental state. My father's freind that he considers a sister from highschool was depressed since her late husband died. She started drinking heavily(number one reson her husband died was liver failue due to excessive drinking) and my father didn't know what to do; he at the time was also extremely pent-up due to his baby-mama(NOT my mother, my parents are divorced) not wanting to have sex despite him bein clipped. Since I read the LN of Mushou Tensei, I suggested that the two of them to copulate. This ended up helping her to lose her greif substantially. Her heavy drinking ended up practically stopping. Tho another issue cropped up and is a story for another time since it has nothig to do with her depression
It's funny how people argue about a anime.. it's like they have never seen all the different Harem type shows in this type of genre.
I found it surprising that in Mushoku Tensei the MC isnt so dense he seems like is afraid of women dude actually has a family and kid before the halfway point of the series
Usually when MCs have kids and families the series ends 😂
What makes Mushoku Tensei great is that the main character is not perfect. Watching him learn and grow adds to the plot.
When something really distressing happens to another person, we tend to think or at least in the back of our minds - "It will never happen to me." = Hubris?
But even if it does happen to "me" or whoever that might be, the experience won't be exactly the same and the results won't be exactly the same.
It is also the reason most of us don't truly understand another person's wisdom.
One of the bigger points here is that "this is Fiction." I wouldn't go up in arms over someone else's imagination.
Basically every drama that comes with mushoku tensei is a moral one, and not really a writing one. Which in my mind, constitutes as good, thought provoking story telling. The same arguement in this current scenario (cheating bad rudeus is bad for cheating) is the same thing that was said during the whole slavery crap with julie. (Slavery bad, it should be abolished, its terrible) Etc. what makes this story interesting, is the fact that it presents everything, and everyone as imperfect, and everyone makes mistakes, has flawed logic and differing morals based on their own beliefs and information they have. Are alot of these things seen as bad in todays world? Absolutely, but in the context of a FICTIONAL, FANTASY WORLD, it allows writers and readers to explore nuaned topics that would otherwise be immediately dismissed in our day to day life. You don't need to agree with the actions and choices made in the story, because regardless of what you think, that's how things played out, and just like real life, people have REASONS for why they do the things they do, and they just need to roll with the punches. Great Video Dude!
Eyy if people feel anything strongly about the characters in MT then it's a win ..
MT is just one of the few anime's I've watched where I feel emotions about almost every single character...
Very good points, my friend. I'm glad you're a voice for this story. I think you explain it really well.
This whole topic hits very personally for me, having lost my own father and having been living with that for a few years now. To be perfectly honest, I know I'd be dead right now if not for my mother still being alive and being the last person in the world I can rely on. Even so, I think about it every day. I never had anyone else who was there with me, no one else who cared that much, and certainly no friends or romantic relationships. I know at least some of what this is like, and what the result can be.
I very much enjoy your perspective on this, because it mirrors my own in almost every way. I'm a casual anime fan, an American, even an English dub watcher, so you'd think I'd be the perfect candidate to be one of these shallow, ignorant people who can't get these ideas through their skulls. Thing is, I love to think deeply about these things, and get real value from them. When I see a situation like this, I separate their actions into what's understandable, and what's justifiable. In my view, every single thing that happens here is completely understandable. Rudy's depression, the group thinking of a way to help him, Roxy's willingness to do it, and letting their feelings take over in those moments, despite the hardship which may follow. It all makes perfect sense to me, and I love how the story is playing out.
The only thing I do wish they'd kept is more of Rudy's inner thoughts, and the reveal of his place in this world to Roxy. I'm not a light novel reader, but from what I've heard from others, those things could've made this episode even more powerful.
I would've loved to hear your take on Explanation Point's video about Mushoku Tensei where he compares Rudeus to Denji from chainsaw man of all things 😂
This entire scenario definitely added complexity to both Roxy and Rudeus, but the decisions made in this episode and in this section in the volume made me cringe so much. It was tough to watch this episode at points and that hindered my ablility to enjoy the episode as much as I wanted to. Storytelling wise, I get it, but I personally can't watch scenes like this without cringing a significant degree.
Still excited for next episode though.