Yeah, the word has lost it's meaning. I remember when xQc was *PERMA'D* in Nopixel for a month. These morons could use the word *suspension* but instead opted for the word that generates the most buzz, *permabanned.*
Publicity my man. Pokimane is one of their representatives they can't get rid of the person that brought views to their shitty platform. You swear once on stream or show any sign of copy righted content it's a ban . But some thot that's half naked in a pool that shows a part of her bod that's exposed and nothing happens. At the end of the day it's about what they bring to the platform not the community sadly.😭
Jacksepticeye really nailed it in his reply to Charlie on twitter "People always forget about smaller creators too when bigger creators push the limits. When the adpocalypse happened on UA-cam it was the smaller channels that got ruined by it. Same thing will happen here if it keeps going, big channels will live but smaller ones get fucked"
Lol they would not even bother sueing a smaller streamer. There is literally no point to sue smaller streamers because they don't have enough money for it to be worth it. You can't get blood out of a stone. The bigger you get the more likely you will be sued. Pokimane was lucky. Big streamers are definitely less likely to get banned though because twitch would rather not lose them.
@@LongJohnnn hell no. You know how aggressive youtube copyright system? ThEy MiGHt NoT EvEN boTHer is pure bullshit. Just open some dmca music and they will whoop your arse. Moreover since you can't win in a lawsuit as a small channel, you can kiss your life of content creator bye bye in twitch forever. Trust me. They will suck every living things out of you if they are more and more aware of it.
@@tsnyan3964 Yes I am fully aware of how aggressive the youtube copyright system is but that's got nothing to do with sueing someone. I work in the legal practice and I can tell you for a fact that it is not worth sueing someone if they don't have much money. Why waste money on legal fees when you won't get anything in return? I also don't think you understand how much lawyers cost in the corporate sphere. They will generally at most just get their lawyers to threaten to sue small youtubers and make them take the content down if youtube hasn't already... and if you are smart you wouldn't bother poking the bear if you don't have the money to pay for good lawyers.
I remember the fight with Viacom. They were the most hated company around UA-cam back in 2007-2012. Every single creator had stuff being taken down for the smallest thing. This was one of the first times I had seen so many creators pull together against something so big, along with SOPA and PIPA. My god that was so long ago
I'm pretty sure at least half of the times she's been banned were deliberate on her part, just to attract more attention to her channel. None of them really hurt her.
there should be a certain amount of bans u can take, like 3 bans no matter how long they are will result in say a 2 week ban or month or smth, so then streamers will actually be scared of getting banned like they should be
The biggest problem with big streamers like this completely just breaking clear and obvious copyright law is that they know they will not suffer major consequences. They know they are the big moneymakers on twitch and they want them to stay on their platform. The only people that are going to be harmed by their actions are the small streamers who are going to be affected by whatever rule changes twitch puts through because of this.
@@Cold__Soup This is true as a fact. Nancy Pelosi literally defended Insider Trading within the government. Which is a huge abuse of power, even by people who aren't in the government. And big hedge funds, and financiers exist *outside of the system* in regards to trading laws, with the exception only being for obvious fraudsters they can't get away with ignoring. And twitch will absolutely pass new rules for the platform which they will only enforce for the majority of small streamers, then ignore for the big ones.
It was bound to happen eventually. Even streamers considered "react content" like watching shows and movies to be riding that line of what they're allowed to get away with
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@@asbestosfibers1325 Take the two words literally. A world at peace, doesn't mean a world run by one government, or really any government. World peace will always be in the hands of individuals. That's on any size scale, my good friend.
This makes TotallyNotMark's situation seem even worse. Where all of his and his team's work got shafted although the content was transformative, streamers aren't facing as severe of a consequence.
@@guts2657 in fair use, you're technically only supposed to show the exact thing you're specifically commenting on and no more. A lot of review channels don't do this and show a lot of unnecessary stuff, use the OST as background music etc. Still, a lot more integrity than these reaction streamers just redistributing entire movies
@@apollo1573 they’re saying that UNLIKE video games, people will not buy MOVIES because they already saw it streamed in Twitch. Video game companies technically could sue MANY let's-players and streamers on UA-cam/Twitch/etc. because the videos/streams aren't considered parody/criticism/transformative of the game, and they most likely don't have a licence to use it. For whatever reason, it just doesn't happen to video games as it does to movies/music/etc. you COULD say that under some video games, a creator could produce an original work within the game, idk not a lawyer EDIT: not to mention the horrible PR disaster and backlash video game companies would get if they did do that. I reckon video games get a lot more marketing/publicity from social media than any other type of creative work (movies,music)
I've noticed a lot of v-tubers do this as well but as watch-a-longs. Basically, they'll let the audience know what movie they plan to watch(and where it can be bought) so everyone can get it, then they start the movie at specific time and watch it together. You can't see or hear the movie on their streams, it's just pure reaction and it makes a lot of sense, it's as legally transformative as it gets when it comes to "reaction" type content. Not sure why people on twitch can't just do something like that, seems like an obvious thing to do.
@@irok1 What? Multiple Hololive members alone have follower bases in the millions and regularly get 50k+ viewers for their streams. IIRC Pekora is currently the second highest-viewed female streamer in the world. Some of the ones who do this sort of content semi-regularly are also among the most popular.
The streamer who went after smaller channels for responding to her streams got pursued by a larger corporate entity for "reacting" to their media? Guess it's true after all: You get what you fucking deserve.
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In all fairness, she was streaming an entire show that's locked behind paid subscription services. She should've known the risk of streaming an entire show on twitch, even though a lot of other people get away with it.
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A 2 day ban for this is questionable, it should be atleast a week. They're being too greedy trying to keep Pokimane on their platform, they're scared of giving her too huge of a punishment that she'd make it as an excuse to backlash on twitch and probably switch to UA-cam.
My heart goes out to those thousands of men who now have to find other ways of pleasuring themselves instead of watching a stream for hours waiting for a girl to show some leg or something. And now they might have to use their money for groceries, gas, or even bills rather than donating to her for a shout-out. When will their suffering end?!
I’ve seen streamers like Hololive get around the problem in a smart way. They only stream their reaction, with no audio or video of what they’re watching being present. Instead they require the viewer to also watch the movie, show, etc on their end, synchronized with the streamer’s reaction. They call it a watchalong, and I’m like 99% sure it’s completely legal to do it.
it is, and twitch has a mechanic to literally do this called watch parties but people like pokimane think they don't have to play by everyone else's rules
such good points, I appreciate you still being careful not only for yourself but for the whole of twitch. I really hope reaction content doesnt get banned. as soon as I saw XQC watching TV every single stream I knew there was about to be problems. I was very confused when pokimane got banned but not XQC. I feel like if poki is getting banned he should get banned too honestly considering he was the one really starting the trend but I understand its just dependent on who made the show in question. just such an unfortunate situation.
Seems deserved. Why should someone get paid for streaming a show they had no part in making? Something about seeing people silently eating while restreaming this stuff pisses me off. These people are millionaires using other millionaires' products to make money, then whining as if it'd the only way they can stream. If you don't have 10 hours of content...don't stream for 10 hours...
I agree with you said but streamers need to eat. Do you look at a wall while eating, they have the right to entertain themselves, even if their streaming. A lot of people watch TV/YT while eating.
What can help this situation a bit for twitch is for twitch themselves including the streamers started a movement. Make streaming events, especially dedicated to gather supports and donations or contributions to license popular contents officially. If it became a prominent movement, streamers that have invested in the movement might be interested more in "officialness". When they were successful at one, that's a dopamine rush for everybody to reap more and more and more and became stronger as a community. Show the world that they are elite
Uh no. That’s still copyright. Forcing someone to give their content to another person who has had no contributions to your creations and is showing your content for free to millions is not making something official. It’s called being a bully. Millionaire or not, corporate or not, it’s their content that these streamers are showing illegally. And what’s more if it was to be agreed to let streamers show this content, it would certainly be behind a paywall.
Matt Hoss sued H3h3 for using around 70% of his video in his. Matt Hoss lost.. I think the % used of the original work is less important. However if Pokimane was watching Anime in its entirety eating some food and making some cutesy noises here and there. Then I think she's got no ground to stand on.
Yeah the thing is I don’t think she’s trying to defend herself either. For some streamers like Toast, the whole meta of streamers watching famous shows was purposefully done to test the waters of copyright like he did watching Naruto. They know it’s not right lol but they’re just waiting for someone to tell them to stop and it just so happens to be Poki.
@@ComicGladiator no, anime just means animation in japanese, any animation made in japan is an anime regardless of style and if it’s not made in japan it’s not an anime.
I've seen streamers do watchalongs for shows/movies, but they don't stream the actual material. They just provide a timestamp for where they are at, and it's up to the viewer to get their own source and sync up. The stream is basically just the streamer's reactions and they might respond to comments. I'm not familiar with the Twitch space but I always thought this was the norm for stuff like that. Didn't realize people were just straight rebroadcasting stuff.
Very solid point Charlie. Obviously these copyright laws suck ass and no one wants to deal with them, but not all rebellion is productive and, as you said, can sometimes be damaging to the platform as a whole
I'm actually with Twitch when it comes to this, and they shouldn't have allowed it to get that trendy to begin with. This sounds like a fair punishment. You don't stream an entire show that isn't free. And hasn't she vocally condemned such behavior in the past?
The ironic thing is that she has striked people who has made negative yt videos of her with completely fair-use which is kinda basis of why this is so stupid of her. There is videos about the completely no ground strikes since youtube commentators take strikes pretty seriously since it's 3 and you are out and the appeal system is moronic. It's kinda something like you take the strike or appeal and wait for some period of time and when it ends if they don't sue you it dissappears. Bigger youtubers get them handled manually by having to many times reach out thru twitter to youtube (if they aren't so big that they got like a yt representive as a contact).. aka it's so scary for the channel because say you have made 3 videos of pokimane and she strikes all of them then it's 3 strikes and you have to work thru to get them removed because the system is broken. And I think your channel would be down in that case for the waiting period if you don't get it handled before that. So nobody likes people who abuse the system like she blatantly did and at the time read on the law and now is watching movies on stream while eating.
I love how these dummies see people complain "the big streamers are gonna ruin things for everyone" and hear "won't someone think of the corpos". Real pissbrain hours.
Charlie: Do not sleep on your belly or Viacom will get you. Everyone: What will Viacom do if you are sleeping on your back? Charlie: Well that’s not so bad.
It would be pretty interesting to see what streamers do if reaction content gets removed. Not to say it wouldn’t be bad but I think it could also be quite positive for the platform. This is definitely something I want to be kept up to date on.
Copyright laws are messy and everyone would just like to chill about it and whatever but you still have to be responsible and follow the rules. Its so hypocritical of these streamers, who would be malding if someone did this to their content or I have seen people defending it who also say to "support artists" and whatnot, You can't have one without the other, either you are for piracy or against it.
copyright laws are outdated and meant for the late 90's the scene's around media have changed drastically and they need to update the laws accordingly, of course its a mess right now.
The only major dilemma I still fight back against is being DMCA'd for music FEATURED IN THE GAME/MEDIA you are streaming. That is still ridiculous and shouldn't be the case. Especially for games. There shouldn't be the need for a streamer mode. No one. Absolutely NO ONE is watching xQc shrieking over the games he's playing to get a chance to listen to the music for free lmao That ain't how it works, chief. If anything, hearing the background music generally only encourages exposure. My reaction is "oh, I have never heard that one, lemme go find it. Oh, that's cool. I'll buy that one :)"
Very true and this is gonna push a lot of people out of streaming. Many depend on reaction and or movie/show content to keep themselves relevant. Me personally if Twitch does that, I feel it’s justified because Twitch has been VERY leeeeeway with things and even some music played on my Streams never get strikes. There are pros and cons to this, this will truly come to show if people are real “content creators” without other peoples content. I feel people milk others videos for their personal gain, lot are praised over another persons work. Either way I can work with it some or most can’t.
Too be fair in regards for fair use having lost its meaning. That applies for both sides as review type channels are basically harassed by the youtube bots and claims from false sources with their applicable defense of fair use now basically being invalidated. It's not just streamers and youtubers who have taken away its meaning, but the companies who ignore the true acts of fair use.
Charlie you have reopened my gaping wounds and have poured mountains of salt into them. I’m starting to develop shivers and anxiety due to my inability to watch a pokimane stream and I haven’t slept since the tragedy struck. I’m plunging into a severe state of depression due to this preposterous ban by a dude who has never felt the touch of a woman
If Twitch actually pulled through with all the bans and stuff, the most popular streamer roster would be so much different than it is, most streamers that people watch and those who are the most popular, have already been banned a couple of times, some of them even passing that 3 ban limit. Having influential streamers see "how far they can get with abusing DMCA" and not coming through with actual bans just shows how greedy Twitch actually is, because everyone knows if the top earner gets banned, they lose money. And then there's Ludwig
@@agentace1476 Facts I'm still very confused about what lead to Twitch not caring about Ludwig at all when he decided to come to UA-cam but oh well it's their loss
Ludwig stream for me is the most enjoyable stream, he really good at story telling, regardless of people say that he is not that funny, i still enjoy the stream
I’m also seeing a ton of streams on tiktok where people are literally just showing episodes of shows and anime on tiktok and this big drama or something similar is probably gonna happen on there too 💀💀 Like o was scrolling and straight up saw someone streaming Spider-Man NWH 😳 I honestly think the whole situation is really sad that people don’t have the decency to know how copyright laws work and just do this crap On tiktok AND twitch But I think it’s worse on tiktok because at least on twitch they try to add commentary and talk (even though it’s still technically wrong) But on tiktok they literally just let it play and don’t say anything it’s so dumb 💀
Penguin. You actually have great content. That shows by the fact that your are literally recording with no fancy background or setups and have almost 10M subs. But most streamers and creators are just copy-pasting. You are the 1% lol. Keep it up.
I've always been annoyed with the internet's understanding of fair use. There is zero consistency to what they think is fair use beyond "I liked the thing," and apparently writing "no copyright infringement intended, I own nothing" is all they think they need to do. I remember Legal Eagle explaining fair use and the DMCA in a Lindsay Ellis video, and if it wasn't just a small part of a long video, I'd link it to so many people.
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What annoys me is when UA-camrs just use clips and music to make the video more aesthetic “There’s no commentary, parody, criticism, teaching or research“ you are just grabbing Busdriver music and putting it in a movie review.
Big creators do dumb shit and get away with just tap on the wrist, but then the rules get ridiculously strict because of that and small creators are the ones who suffer the consequences. If Twitch had balls they would start turning off the partnership of everyone who "test the limits", but is obviously never going to happen.
@@iEpisxde If you're trying to imply that a 2 day suspension is a punishment for pokimane instead of a 2 day expense free vacation then you are horrendously wrong
Yeah like, my problem with it isn't that I'm against piracy or I'm defending big studios, this is just going to kill so much of twitch like it did with youtube, and it's going to hurt A LOT of streamers. It's mind boggling to me that these big streamers are this stupid that they would stream shit like this without thinking like a week into the future to see what will happen.
At least Charlie is one of the few sane streamers who can see how his actions affect others less fortunate than himself. It's seeming rather rare now with the top people in twitch.
Nah, they just don't care as long as the views/money keeps rolling in. Why would they care when they make more in a few hours sitting at home than I do working a 9-5.
@@TheJaeko9 And *there* is where actually "canceling" someone would come in handy. These big streamers have no real incentive to stop toeing the line and pushing boundaries. They're already popular enough where any changes to Twitch probably won't significantly affect their livelihoods.
@@ryuta2038 Because they don't care if they affect the livelihoods of streamers that are way less richer than them. And they have no reason to care. Don't ask a question to someone if you're not even willing to think about what the answer might be
This is the modern day equivalent of copying a vhs video cassette and posting it to your outta town friend so that you can both watch a movie at the same time whilst talking on a telephone.
a fantastic idea i thought of that could be really good is for twitch to partner with anime sites like crunchiroll so a streamer can fully stream their reactions to anime episodes on twitch but to join the stream it would require you to also have a crunchiroll subscription so they know everyone there has paid for it. Then no one gets banned, everyone pays for content they watch and everyone wins.
As Tom Scott has said, copyright laws are a trainwreck in the age of the internet. They need to be completely rewritten to truly work again. Edit: although yeah for this example, the streamers are definitely Doing A Bad lmao the copyright strike is perfectly justified here.
True but this situation isn’t an example of that. This situation is literally just a bunch of millionaires sitting in front of a screen, eating and occasionally laughing and they aren’t even pretending it’s transformative they are just blatantly stealing content because they can, because they’re greedy, because they’re lazy (despite having literally the easiest job on planet Earth) and most of all because they have impunity.
@@DylanHart8 cr1tikal also does the same (on stream) he cuts the video ofc when posting it but cr1tikal also just alot of times sits there because he has no input or commentary to give
The biggest difference here to the UA-cam case back in 2014 is that for the UA-cam case, there were too many individuals and none of them were worth suing, so Viacom took the suit to UA-cam themselves. For this particular case, Viacom could probably sue Pokimane and actually recover damages, based on public information about what she earns. It would probably be the best outcome, because it wouldn't significantly affect Twitch as a platform, and would properly put the fear of legal action into big-name streamers that are DMCA-baiting.
@@floatingdisembodiedhead8975 According to a few media reports they are. Her infractions of over 30+ will result in them targeting her for nearly the full charge of the strike which is 1.8 billion (or million can't remember which it was). They are doing this due to her success they believe she's more than capable of paying such a strike. I read this off poptopic not the best location for 100% honesty but it was there .
How do we get from “we have issues with copyright laws and we need them reformed” to “all copyright is bad we should be able to take whatever we want”? The mental gymnastics people go through to simp for their streamers. They’re not trying to “push the limits of copyright laws” they’re just lazy.
Considering how this very well makes advertizers leave the platform out of fear for getting into bad press (like lawsuits mentioning them being involved), UA-cam is gonna become even more CCP.
Can someone explain to me why she thought it was okay to watch an entire season of avatar on her stream? I don’t know why her ban is surprising. It’s been know to not watch full shows on stream or UA-cam.
From her perspective you either get: 1. No-effort stream content as subs/donations come rolling in 2. A 2 day vacation And Twitch refuses to seriously punish them as they're bringing in the bulk of Twitch's revenue.
For once I actually agree with Twitch, I feel like if they just let creators react to copyrighted content, and make money on it, that could cause some serious lawsuits that wouldn't necessarily be the fault of Twitch themselves.
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@@whyyoutrippin5586 “NO, MOM! IM NOT GOING UPSTAIRS FOR DINNER TONIGHT! POKIMANE JUST GOT BANNED!!! UGH” they definitely complained about it on discord and cried their eyes out
@@Lana.a_ well Totally Not Mark who did actual transformative content got his entire livelihood taken away, 2 years worth of videos taken down. A week's ban feels like a slap on the wrist
@@Lana.a_ this is hilarious, acting as if the fact poki is a women is the reason people are attacking her, as opposed to the reason shes managed to evade ban this long lol. It doesnt matter what u think of ip, cuz frankly most of the comments on this whole section barely understand it, but all you need to know is this is yet another rule, I guess law, that pokimane has violated out of laziness or unoriginality. People own things they've created and can sell it to publishers to distribute it if they so choose, and you breaching that agreement cuz u think ip is lame and poki didnt do nothin just doesnt matter at allllll
It seems like everyone nowadays online has an attitude that they can push the envelope and when it goes too far be given the authority to make their own guidelines
IMO twitch and YT are missing out BIG TIME on this. They could literally AND EASILY implement a "watchalong" button where the content creator can link legitimate places to watch the content along with them. It could have timestamp integration and everything, and I bet amazon, netflix etc would love it since it drives sales for them.
Amazon prime video already has something like that on the platform but the streamer only broadcasts their reaction and their timestamp and everybody else is responsible for having prime video and to sync it up with the stream but that way you can see the streamers reaction to what you're all essentially watching together
Unfortunately the process for setting up a big collaboration like that is slow and tedious for big companies. Twitch is literally owned by amazon and it still took them a while to implement amazon watch parties. You're right that it's a good idea and it will probably come eventually.
I think he makes a lot of salient points here where the people on top trying to poke the bear will ruin it for the other 99% of the platform who can't as easily navigate these potential new hurdles
Y know German has a neat law called parody law. You could take an entire movie and as long as you make fun or comment on every single Szene you are using, it's transformative enough not to be copyright claimed.
@@nodontdoitno5279 See Fair Use is actually a legal defense in the U.S against allegationsof copyright infringement. It only is substantively applied when used in a court case, so a judge decides what is fair use in one case only.
Absolutely devastated by these news. How will me and my familly be able to sleep at night after hearing such news. My doctor doubled my xannax prescription because of the anxiety and heart palpitations this caused me.
It's more of the fact that the top Twitch Streamers are getting off with essentially with a slap on the wrist while others get just full bans. That's why people are wanting DMCA to come down on the top Streamers just to make it a point that their popularity is not a shield for them. Like yeah we fucking hate DMCA and shit but literally having small streamers be perma banned for DMCA while their golden children are giving a slap on the wrist by Twitch is even more bullshit in my opinion. Twitch needs to show consistency when it comes to the platform enforcement and I bet if DMCA actually falls on the streamers for this then maybe they will understand pushing the will fuck them over as well as everyone else.
I feel the same, as much as I don't want streamers to be banned small or large, this needs consistancy and twitches maybe maybe not attitude towards the whole situation is rediculous. Another apocalypse needs to happen. 2022 is going to be a wild year for twitch.
i don't think the solution is to shaft everyone MORE. dmca needs fixing, and the unfairness of bans speaks more to how corrupt these money hungry corporations are. having dmcas cause perma bans for even big streamers will just throttle and corporatize streaming faster. there's a better way to deal with this than making the system suck harder for everyone. the way things are now im waiting for the day companies like viacom just buy a mascot streamer who is the only one allowed to stream their content and force monetize what used to be a free (or at least pay what you want) form of entertainment.
@@iignorepoopieheads5170 Yeah but it really sets a bad precedent when it comes to applying the TOS. When it comes to bigger streamers they stream to a bigger audience, meaning when it comes to stuff like this, there is a bigger loss of income from the original creators. If they have the required distribution license then it’s fine, but when they don’t, it needs to be shown that things like that can be really serious when it comes to the breach of law. Like the smaller streamers will be permanently banned, but if people like Pokimane, XQC, and others that size get a lighter sentence, it doesn’t effect them that much and doesn’t give a good look to outside parties like Viacom, Fox, etc.
I actually work for Viacom (indirectly through an agency, its complicated) but anyway when it comes to protecting their IP I have heard from their side through friend when this topic com es up, that its not necessarily the company being overly litigious but basically if you don't 'make an attempt to protect your IP by going after offenders' then you can lose your copyright. Basically you cant pick and choose when you defend your IP you have to go after all cases you are aware of. Hope this helps clarify for ppl. Also did I mention my dad is LITERALLY Elon Musk
That last omnibus bill from 2020 made "streaming" music and movies federally illegal, I think it's up to 10 years in fed prison with fines, that doesn't include possible lawsuits toward twitch and the streamer. Tough, DMCA needs to be updated and loosened even slightly
If twitch was smart about this I feel like they could leverage a lot of opportunity out of it. People clearly want to have watch parties with their favourite streamers, I feel like it would be possible to strike a deal with streaming services like netflix into integrating the actual streaming service itself into the platform. I have no idea how the technical specifications of this would work but if viewers could link their paid netflix account with their twitch account and then gain access to the integrated stream with the netflix stream synced up with the twitch content creator's netflix stream, only users who have paid for the service already could watch and the streamer isn't actually streaming the movie/tv show, they're essentially a second video overlayed over the netflix stream. There would be an issue arise when there are geolocational blockers, in which case those viewers wouldn't be able to access the integrated stream without a vpn. This could be taken a step further with netflix acting as a sponsor for streamers who use their platform for watch parties and providing streamers with sponsorship codes and benefits to make up for the streamer having a smaller audience due to (whether or not viewer has a paid netflix account linked), since this would undoubtedly bring more customers to netflix because they don't want to miss out on these watch parties with their favourite streamers. Seems like everybody wins in this scenario. I'm sure similar things could be achieved with watch parties for youtube videos.
The dumb thing is that 2 day ban doesn't do anything. Poki will probably make the amount of money she lost on the first stream back. It's basically just paid time off.
Viacom sucks but I really don’t see what they did wrong in this case. Even if copyright law was massively reformed it’s not like this is some 70 year old show that’s teethering on the public domain. You’re not criticizing it, you’re hardly adding anything transformative to it (which is already a tenous excuse to begin with), you’re simply stealing content and restreaming it for free to thousands. It’s like the straight-up textbook definition of a copyright violation, short of literally ripping a dvd and selling it there’s next to no way this could be any more clear cut. UA-cam’s «ad-claim» feature is a gesture of kindness, not something that is specified in law anywhere. Companies can and likely will sue people and companies who attempt this, and they’re no doubt going to have a slam dunk in court.
The problem here isn't that they violated the law. Yeah they did. It's that copyright is a horrible law. It's essentially just NFTs but they actually do something. It gets even worse when it comes to inventions because now people can't take other people's design and implament it into their own invention because that piece is copyrighted. It's just anti-art, anti-tech, and protects the interests of big buisnesses.
You're right Charlie but this applies to buying games on steam with the intention of playing them on stream then returning them imo. That definitely is a copyright abuse even if it's technically legal.
@Jamie Last he's saying it should be obvious to streamers that playing copyrighted material and benefiting by getting views is against the policy. i'm saying the same goes for "buying" indie games on steam only with the intention of returning them before the 2 hour limit is up and playing them on stream. which he's done.
Hm. Funny how Ludwig pointed out that reacting to copyrighted content is dangerous for creators a couple weeks ago and everyone hated on him, but now that Poki got banned for literally that exact reason, suddenly no one is mad at his take anymore 🤔
Who hated him? I mean it is true, he used toast as an example in his thumbnail, and toast watched entire naruto episodes like i presume pokimane did with atla.
Yeah, these streamers really need to stop poking the bear. If streamers keep infringing copyrights so brazenly, and Twitch does not start dealing with copyright violations with a heavier hand, the door could be opened for a big rights holder like Viacom or, even worse, Disney, which can afford a lot of very expensive lawyers, to make the argument that Twitch isn't making a good faith effort to remove infringing materials. If a court were to entertain that argument, Twitch would be in danger of losing its DMCA safe harbor, and if that happened, suddenly Twitch would be liable for every single copyright infringement that occurs on the platform, which, considering all the effort Sonny Bono and Disney's lobbyists put into making U.S. copyright law as Draconian as possible, could be enough to even drag Amazon down.
A good way to counter this would be to get in touch with the current owners of a certain anime and make an agreement that you are allowed to watch one pilot episode to promote it.
She just needs to come on over here to UA-cam streaming. Best decision I made was switching from Twitch to UA-cam streaming. At least you can fight the copyright claims here 🤷♂️
Well yes but it's still comparing garbage with hot garbage. UA-cam's copyright system has some severe prejudice for "companies". You probably know this already but pewdipie's own songs got claimed by "pewdipie the company" and even now he's got no say in when or if it'll go away.
The fact the people are suprised with pokimane's ban over what she did confirms to me that if you get big enough on a platform their rules become a suggestion
Oh fr thats how it is frankly if you asked me before this the only way I could have seen her get a ban was for screaming racial slurs or something homophobic or transphobic because those 3 groups rank higher on the Lefts victim ladder then an average woman Edit: accidently said have have instead of have seen
Yeah… that’s literally always been the point… on any platform. If it weren’t, there’s no way Logan Paul should’ve been able to still have a career after his stunt in the suicide forest.
I mean, I've actually seen 24 hour streams where they straight up marathon entire series' like Spongebob or Family Guy not just on twitch, but here on UA-cam as well. I've even gotten a few of them on my recommended from time to time.
They can't push a change that big because its gonna flip their platform on its side and twitch itself will lose money and it will lose streamers over it. Honestly if anything big at all came from this, I would argue it would be twitch reevaluating their rules and finding a loop hole in the copyright laws which isn't that hard to do at all they just have to hire some people to look at the fine print and basically just have them find a way to go through the laws without hitting any of the other consequences. Which is why reaction videos on youtube of the exact same thing are up and are even monetized sometimes if the person wants to be scummy about it.
They shouldn't call it ban when it's not permanent.. it should be referred to as a suspension.
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Yeah, the word has lost it's meaning. I remember when xQc was *PERMA'D* in Nopixel for a month. These morons could use the word *suspension* but instead opted for the word that generates the most buzz, *permabanned.*
Yeah I was almost jumping for joy seeing that the cringe woman is no more but nope, just a temp ban
half of the replies are bots.
She gets banned for 48 hours for violating DMCA. Smaller Streamer would get perma ban from that and a lawsuit.
Publicity my man. Pokimane is one of their representatives they can't get rid of the person that brought views to their shitty platform. You swear once on stream or show any sign of copy righted content it's a ban . But some thot that's half naked in a pool that shows a part of her bod that's exposed and nothing happens. At the end of the day it's about what they bring to the platform not the community sadly.😭
Jacksepticeye really nailed it in his reply to Charlie on twitter "People always forget about smaller creators too when bigger creators push the limits. When the adpocalypse happened on UA-cam it was the smaller channels that got ruined by it. Same thing will happen here if it keeps going, big channels will live but smaller ones get fucked"
Lol they would not even bother sueing a smaller streamer. There is literally no point to sue smaller streamers because they don't have enough money for it to be worth it. You can't get blood out of a stone. The bigger you get the more likely you will be sued. Pokimane was lucky. Big streamers are definitely less likely to get banned though because twitch would rather not lose them.
@@LongJohnnn hell no. You know how aggressive youtube copyright system? ThEy MiGHt NoT EvEN boTHer is pure bullshit. Just open some dmca music and they will whoop your arse. Moreover since you can't win in a lawsuit as a small channel, you can kiss your life of content creator bye bye in twitch forever. Trust me. They will suck every living things out of you if they are more and more aware of it.
@@tsnyan3964 Yes I am fully aware of how aggressive the youtube copyright system is but that's got nothing to do with sueing someone. I work in the legal practice and I can tell you for a fact that it is not worth sueing someone if they don't have much money. Why waste money on legal fees when you won't get anything in return? I also don't think you understand how much lawyers cost in the corporate sphere. They will generally at most just get their lawyers to threaten to sue small youtubers and make them take the content down if youtube hasn't already... and if you are smart you wouldn't bother poking the bear if you don't have the money to pay for good lawyers.
I remember the fight with Viacom. They were the most hated company around UA-cam back in 2007-2012. Every single creator had stuff being taken down for the smallest thing. This was one of the first times I had seen so many creators pull together against something so big, along with SOPA and PIPA. My god that was so long ago
Luckily i was oblivious and young back then or i might have lost my mind too 🤣
Getting temp banned on twitch for a big name streamer is the equivalent of getting told by your boss to take a vacation.
this doesnt even affect her, this 2 day ban is literally just her normal fucking streaming gap
They really should be giving them all atleast 2 week bans to show the companies they're making an effort
I'm pretty sure at least half of the times she's been banned were deliberate on her part, just to attract more attention to her channel. None of them really hurt her.
@@DakotaWolf666 Yeah it should be a way longer suspension to actually mean something.
They didn't called themselves OfflineTV for no reason...
there should be a certain amount of bans u can take, like 3 bans no matter how long they are will result in say a 2 week ban or month or smth, so then streamers will actually be scared of getting banned like they should be
The biggest problem with big streamers like this completely just breaking clear and obvious copyright law is that they know they will not suffer major consequences. They know they are the big moneymakers on twitch and they want them to stay on their platform. The only people that are going to be harmed by their actions are the small streamers who are going to be affected by whatever rule changes twitch puts through because of this.
The 1% don’t care about the general populous because they hold all the cards, and will sacrifice them for profit? Wow I’m very surprised
This is not just a twitch issue. This is the way America and plenty of the world runs.
@@Cold__Soup This is true as a fact. Nancy Pelosi literally defended Insider Trading within the government. Which is a huge abuse of power, even by people who aren't in the government. And big hedge funds, and financiers exist *outside of the system* in regards to trading laws, with the exception only being for obvious fraudsters they can't get away with ignoring.
And twitch will absolutely pass new rules for the platform which they will only enforce for the majority of small streamers, then ignore for the big ones.
This is literally what's happening in the world today.
Laws only apply to those who agree to be bound by them, after all.
It was bound to happen eventually. Even streamers considered "react content" like watching shows and movies to be riding that line of what they're allowed to get away with
I love how you are so chill about the way you deliver your points. If people talked the way you do, we will have world peace lol
@@asbestosfibers1325 so you dont like world peace? lmaoo
@@asbestosfibers1325 are you okay? I didnt know that you would get so butt hurt over a question... you could've easily cleared it up by saying that "I dont believe in world peace", or you could have just not bothered to what other people think too. Thats also okay, its not an obligation to reply on someone else's comment/opinion that you dont agree with.
To answer your question(s), the native american culture was pretty peaceful after the signed treaty where they just purely shared everything or used trading to get things. The aspect of money is the main cause of greed and poor areas.
Also, not 100% of humans like just one person as a whole, and if you dont like him so much, you dont have to be a viewer of his. All content on youtube is free, and there might be something more up your alley.
Tho i dont think youd be able to since you are named after a highly toxic and negative substance that ruined multiple lives in the past and was just distanced from, so im glad you took to a non lethal way of communicating but keep the toxic and negativity away from people lmaoo
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@@asbestosfibers1325 nice cherry picking, where did you learn how to read? Must be nice to not know how a sentence works lmaooo
Also, it doesn't take a genius to see what the symptoms are. Clearly you have too much time on your hands to argue a flawed viewpoint that is easily debunked by 100% of the population on planet earth, like how people think the earth is flat. But keep on thinking that it did more good while the symptoms of shortness of breath, chest pain and constant dry cough are shown.
Also most information about health is pretty open to people and accurate nowadays, even theres a health organization that is literally spoon feeding information on covid on how to properly sanitize, isolate when showing symptoms and take care of yourself by washing your hands and wearing a mask. It's legit shared on the news and spread by health professionals across the planet.
I hope you use the one braincell you have left to think rationally because any nonsense you say that doesn't relate or is inaccurate afterwards will be ignored and viewed as invalid. Also you will be perceived as a bot account and blocked.
@@asbestosfibers1325 Take the two words literally. A world at peace, doesn't mean a world run by one government, or really any government. World peace will always be in the hands of individuals. That's on any size scale, my good friend.
@@asbestosfibers1325 who pissed in your cereal
This makes TotallyNotMark's situation seem even worse. Where all of his and his team's work got shafted although the content was transformative, streamers aren't facing as severe of a consequence.
hi gut, please do not screenshot my nfts 🤬🥺😔
I dunno, he could not use most of the clips, he’s not really commenting on them, same with putting music from the shows_
Commenting on and deconstructing the work was the entire point of his videos
@@guts2657 in fair use, you're technically only supposed to show the exact thing you're specifically commenting on and no more. A lot of review channels don't do this and show a lot of unnecessary stuff, use the OST as background music etc.
Still, a lot more integrity than these reaction streamers just redistributing entire movies
@@MrDankTM I think I will
Charlie has had to explain fair use so many times he's got the script memorized at this point.
He’s practically the one who wrote it
@@Ramzan69 true
@@Ramzan69 Damn, he not only stars in the New Testament and the Hunger Games, but now I learn he wrote the fair use laws? Dude is fucking talented
He's not even 100% correct when he explains it, though. It's NOT a law, it is a legal defense in court. That is it, NOT a law.
@@imthebestmayne122 æ
Pokimane getting banned for this is like how Al Capone was arrested for tax evasion.
Banned? Little miss Millionaire just got a weekend off, that's all.
Lifetime ban is what I'll call justice
if Capone was released without bail the next day, maybe
Someone doesn't know history
@@stopdont8236 how is that not knowing history?
Everyone thinks they're gangster, until they get banned like Dr. Disrespect.
@vinasu maaj nobody is going to buy a video game after watching a streamer play it? Is that what you’re saying?
@@apollo1573 they’re saying that UNLIKE video games, people will not buy MOVIES because they already saw it streamed in Twitch.
Video game companies technically could sue MANY let's-players and streamers on UA-cam/Twitch/etc. because the videos/streams aren't considered parody/criticism/transformative of the game, and they most likely don't have a licence to use it.
For whatever reason, it just doesn't happen to video games as it does to movies/music/etc.
you COULD say that under some video games, a creator could produce an original work within the game, idk not a lawyer
EDIT: not to mention the horrible PR disaster and backlash video game companies would get if they did do that. I reckon video games get a lot more marketing/publicity from social media than any other type of creative work (movies,music)
I find it funny how Charlie seems to be the only one who actually knows how fair use works.
And that's good he knows that tbh
Everyone knows, charlie just doesnt need to pretend he doesnt
He's charlie...
I don't think the whole "it must be watched in segments" thing is entirely true, though neither of us are lawyers
Speak for yourself
I've noticed a lot of v-tubers do this as well but as watch-a-longs. Basically, they'll let the audience know what movie they plan to watch(and where it can be bought) so everyone can get it, then they start the movie at specific time and watch it together. You can't see or hear the movie on their streams, it's just pure reaction and it makes a lot of sense, it's as legally transformative as it gets when it comes to "reaction" type content. Not sure why people on twitch can't just do something like that, seems like an obvious thing to do.
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Way less viewers, I presume
Edit: yeah no clue why I said this
@@irok1 What? Multiple Hololive members alone have follower bases in the millions and regularly get 50k+ viewers for their streams. IIRC Pekora is currently the second highest-viewed female streamer in the world. Some of the ones who do this sort of content semi-regularly are also among the most popular.
@@Nephenon Nah bro, it sucks from your perspective. Y’see, there’s this thing called a TV.
The streamer who went after smaller channels for responding to her streams got pursued by a larger corporate entity for "reacting" to their media?
Guess it's true after all: You get what you fucking deserve.
I agree.
Very nice @@skilarbabcock
Holy moly bro such a satisfying comment definitely well deserved.
your channel is pretty dope, I've only seen a few videos over the last couple months but You've earned a sub with your informative, straight to the point and honestly expert perspective on so many things is really welcomed! great job!
Twitch just single handedly decreased the world simping rate by 80%
Yup
Wow
hi Loki. rip pokimane, please do not screenshot my nfts 🤬🥺😔
facts
@Mbita Acoustic Guitar look bro, dont beg, just try you're best at making content and reach 30k, this type of clout chasing doesnt work, and i just have to say this again.
Try your best at making good content, you have great potential.
In all fairness, she was streaming an entire show that's locked behind paid subscription services. She should've known the risk of streaming an entire show on twitch, even though a lot of other people get away with it.
Watch the video man
@Mbita Acoustic Guitar Dude.. why are you spamming the same copy pasted comment over and over? People don't like spammers, and it's not like you're going to get a swarm of subscribers just because you spammed the comments..
I know for sure you didn't get that 17k subscribers from begging, so you either worked hard for it or you paid for bot subscribers. Just keep working hard, put effort into your craft and you'll get the subs. Or you could just save up the money to buy a mic..
@@habitsrabbit the subs are bots, and that is a bot itself.
@Mbita Acoustic Guitar You don't even know his name
It wasn't that she didn't know, she just really didn't care lol.
A 2 day ban for this is questionable, it should be atleast a week.
They're being too greedy trying to keep Pokimane on their platform, they're scared of giving her too huge of a punishment that she'd make it as an excuse to backlash on twitch and probably switch to UA-cam.
My heart goes out to those thousands of men who now have to find other ways of pleasuring themselves instead of watching a stream for hours waiting for a girl to show some leg or something. And now they might have to use their money for groceries, gas, or even bills rather than donating to her for a shout-out. When will their suffering end?!
Just imagine how much they’ll throw away in the Metaverse?
They deserve to lose their money
@@EarlFaulk what
ikr now they cant bust a fat nut to some uncovered shoulder 😢
So true Darth Tyrannus 😢 well said
About 7 years ago I actually got into a screaming match with a lawyer from Viacom and their arguments were totally insane. True story
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How did i manage this
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I’ve seen streamers like Hololive get around the problem in a smart way.
They only stream their reaction, with no audio or video of what they’re watching being present.
Instead they require the viewer to also watch the movie, show, etc on their end, synchronized with the streamer’s reaction.
They call it a watchalong, and I’m like 99% sure it’s completely legal to do it.
hi sea. rip pokimane, also please do not screenshot my nfts 🤬🥺😔
5 million iq
yeah, they do that a lot, I think is a clever way to watch something with your audience
It is legal a lot of football fan channels do this, it happens on twitch and yt
it is, and twitch has a mechanic to literally do this called watch parties but people like pokimane think they don't have to play by everyone else's rules
I’m extremely happy to see so many people talking about how it’s not ok and not defending a dumb thing
It is okay lol twitch literally took the side of the streamers and said the dmca was accidentally done
such good points, I appreciate you still being careful not only for yourself but for the whole of twitch. I really hope reaction content doesnt get banned. as soon as I saw XQC watching TV every single stream I knew there was about to be problems. I was very confused when pokimane got banned but not XQC. I feel like if poki is getting banned he should get banned too honestly considering he was the one really starting the trend but I understand its just dependent on who made the show in question. just such an unfortunate situation.
Well, being banned on Twitch is the same thing as dying on Dragon Ball. The biggest characters never really die.
Good one
Or same thing with the MCU
@@Danieldoomer iron man tho
@@mrnobody9991 doctor strange 3: iron man comes back to life and help restore balance in the multiverse and saves the universe
Or comics
Im shaking and crying, this is the worst thing thats ever happened to the world
Move over world war two, pokimane can’t stream for two whole days
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Truly a devastating tragedy
Pokimon?
hello sire. rip pokimane, please do not screenshot my nfts 🤬🥺😔
Wow such a tragedy, no other tragedy will ever come as close as this cause simps won’t be able to see their virtual goddess
Seems deserved. Why should someone get paid for streaming a show they had no part in making? Something about seeing people silently eating while restreaming this stuff pisses me off. These people are millionaires using other millionaires' products to make money, then whining as if it'd the only way they can stream. If you don't have 10 hours of content...don't stream for 10 hours...
I agree with you said but streamers need to eat. Do you look at a wall while eating, they have the right to entertain themselves, even if their streaming. A lot of people watch TV/YT while eating.
What can help this situation a bit for twitch is for twitch themselves including the streamers started a movement.
Make streaming events, especially dedicated to gather supports and donations or contributions to license popular contents officially.
If it became a prominent movement, streamers that have invested in the movement might be interested more in "officialness". When they were successful at one, that's a dopamine rush for everybody to reap more and more and more and became stronger as a community.
Show the world that they are elite
Uh no. That’s still copyright. Forcing someone to give their content to another person who has had no contributions to your creations and is showing your content for free to millions is not making something official. It’s called being a bully. Millionaire or not, corporate or not, it’s their content that these streamers are showing illegally. And what’s more if it was to be agreed to let streamers show this content, it would certainly be behind a paywall.
@@melt6894 No, don't show it during the event of course
Matt Hoss sued H3h3 for using around 70% of his video in his. Matt Hoss lost.. I think the % used of the original work is less important. However if Pokimane was watching Anime in its entirety eating some food and making some cutesy noises here and there. Then I think she's got no ground to stand on.
Yeah the thing is I don’t think she’s trying to defend herself either. For some streamers like Toast, the whole meta of streamers watching famous shows was purposefully done to test the waters of copyright like he did watching Naruto. They know it’s not right lol but they’re just waiting for someone to tell them to stop and it just so happens to be Poki.
Is Avatar anime?
@@gvd72 If one is being super technical it would be more likely referenced as animation heavily influenced by Japanese Anime. I suppose.
@@gvd72 Yes. It's an animation style, it doesn't have to be made in Japan.
@@ComicGladiator no, anime just means animation in japanese, any animation made in japan is an anime regardless of style and if it’s not made in japan it’s not an anime.
This is the greatest ban of All Time
Yeah
Yes sir 🙏🏻🙏🏻🥰
@YeaMan a rented heater type heat 💀
@YeaMan no
sussy boi
I remember watching Disney movies on UA-cam when I was a kid. They were divided into a dozen or so different parts though. How times have changed...
I've seen streamers do watchalongs for shows/movies, but they don't stream the actual material. They just provide a timestamp for where they are at, and it's up to the viewer to get their own source and sync up. The stream is basically just the streamer's reactions and they might respond to comments.
I'm not familiar with the Twitch space but I always thought this was the norm for stuff like that. Didn't realize people were just straight rebroadcasting stuff.
Very solid point Charlie. Obviously these copyright laws suck ass and no one wants to deal with them, but not all rebellion is productive and, as you said, can sometimes be damaging to the platform as a whole
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Yo what’s next Monday’s pasta?
What else can you do? Just stop reaction content all together? Like it doesn’t make sense
@@gaystuffuwuaaa no, just not entire shows/movies. Your basically making these films freely available and that’s illegal.
@@gaystuffuwuaaa love how there is now middle option to you
I'm actually with Twitch when it comes to this, and they shouldn't have allowed it to get that trendy to begin with. This sounds like a fair punishment. You don't stream an entire show that isn't free. And hasn't she vocally condemned such behavior in the past?
Yes, because giving her a 48 hour vacation is fair punishment.
Nah definitely needed to be longer
^ that is NOT a Pokimane response video don't waste your time :)
@@furretthecreator9142 thank you!
The ironic thing is that she has striked people who has made negative yt videos of her with completely fair-use which is kinda basis of why this is so stupid of her. There is videos about the completely no ground strikes since youtube commentators take strikes pretty seriously since it's 3 and you are out and the appeal system is moronic. It's kinda something like you take the strike or appeal and wait for some period of time and when it ends if they don't sue you it dissappears. Bigger youtubers get them handled manually by having to many times reach out thru twitter to youtube (if they aren't so big that they got like a yt representive as a contact).. aka it's so scary for the channel because say you have made 3 videos of pokimane and she strikes all of them then it's 3 strikes and you have to work thru to get them removed because the system is broken. And I think your channel would be down in that case for the waiting period if you don't get it handled before that. So nobody likes people who abuse the system like she blatantly did and at the time read on the law and now is watching movies on stream while eating.
Loved the Viggo reference at 0:27 lmao, can't believe Viacom is that comparable to the imminent danger of John Wick.
I remember that pokimane once went all a copystrike spree on other people using her content.
Well now, she deserved it ngl
Glad to see everyones sane and agree that while the people that did it are horrible, pokimane still deserved that strike.
Yum yum tasty boots
Yeah they were so horrible from streaming content from a multi million corporation
I love how these dummies see people complain "the big streamers are gonna ruin things for everyone" and hear "won't someone think of the corpos". Real pissbrain hours.
@@Baronnax Kids can't see ahead, so they just parrot what their favorite streamer says.
Multi million dollar company when a creator watches a piece of their media which loses no money for them 😢
Charlie: Do not sleep on your belly or Viacom will get you.
Everyone: What will Viacom do if you are sleeping on your back?
Charlie: Well that’s not so bad.
They'll put your legs on their shoulders. There's no escape
They'll give you a urethral swab.
Hot take: Sleeping on belly> sleeping on back
But then again, sleeping on belly really hurts my neck as I have to breathe too
@@bdsmgaming3627 Imagine having to breath ✋😂
@@fallen_vague48 I wish 😭, if pillows were made easier to breathe through, it would be heaven to go to sleep
I didn't expect her to get a permanent suspension but where I heard why I didn't feel bad because that's twitch 101 not to stream stuff.
It would be pretty interesting to see what streamers do if reaction content gets removed. Not to say it wouldn’t be bad but I think it could also be quite positive for the platform. This is definitely something I want to be kept up to date on.
Copyright laws are messy and everyone would just like to chill about it and whatever but you still have to be responsible and follow the rules. Its so hypocritical of these streamers, who would be malding if someone did this to their content or I have seen people defending it who also say to "support artists" and whatnot, You can't have one without the other, either you are for piracy or against it.
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She’s vicious about people using her content for fair use. The incident with itsagundam was crazy.
hi waka, please do not screenshot my nfts 🤬🥺😔
copyright laws are outdated and meant for the late 90's the scene's around media have changed drastically and they need to update the laws accordingly, of course its a mess right now.
Copyright laws haven't aged well. Period.
The only major dilemma I still fight back against is being DMCA'd for music FEATURED IN THE GAME/MEDIA you are streaming. That is still ridiculous and shouldn't be the case. Especially for games. There shouldn't be the need for a streamer mode. No one. Absolutely NO ONE is watching xQc shrieking over the games he's playing to get a chance to listen to the music for free lmao That ain't how it works, chief. If anything, hearing the background music generally only encourages exposure. My reaction is "oh, I have never heard that one, lemme go find it. Oh, that's cool. I'll buy that one :)"
This has nothing to do with the video, but that profile picture reminds of someone I use to talk to on Quotev like 6 years ago. That is all
Pretty sure that situation made me buy one of my favourite games
Walter
@@HoneyDog that had nothing to do with the comment
That's the thing people dont know that react content is free marketing yet. Some people will catch on soon
Very true and this is gonna push a lot of people out of streaming. Many depend on reaction and or movie/show content to keep themselves relevant. Me personally if Twitch does that, I feel it’s justified because Twitch has been VERY leeeeeway with things and even some music played on my Streams never get strikes. There are pros and cons to this, this will truly come to show if people are real “content creators” without other peoples content. I feel people milk others videos for their personal gain, lot are praised over another persons work. Either way I can work with it some or most can’t.
Too be fair in regards for fair use having lost its meaning. That applies for both sides as review type channels are basically harassed by the youtube bots and claims from false sources with their applicable defense of fair use now basically being invalidated. It's not just streamers and youtubers who have taken away its meaning, but the companies who ignore the true acts of fair use.
Charlie you have reopened my gaping wounds and have poured mountains of salt into them. I’m starting to develop shivers and anxiety due to my inability to watch a pokimane stream and I haven’t slept since the tragedy struck. I’m plunging into a severe state of depression due to this preposterous ban by a dude who has never felt the touch of a woman
hi goat. rip pokimane, please do not screenshot my nfts 🤬🥺😔
@@MrDankTM *screenshots*
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These fuckin bots bruh
If Twitch actually pulled through with all the bans and stuff, the most popular streamer roster would be so much different than it is, most streamers that people watch and those who are the most popular, have already been banned a couple of times, some of them even passing that 3 ban limit. Having influential streamers see "how far they can get with abusing DMCA" and not coming through with actual bans just shows how greedy Twitch actually is, because everyone knows if the top earner gets banned, they lose money.
And then there's Ludwig
The best streamer
@@agentace1476 Facts
I'm still very confused about what lead to Twitch not caring about Ludwig at all when he decided to come to UA-cam but oh well it's their loss
Ludwig stream for me is the most enjoyable stream, he really good at story telling, regardless of people say that he is not that funny, i still enjoy the stream
For every sensible Twitch ban there’s 3 idiotic ones so it’s probably for the best they don’t go permaban happy.
hi Keke, please do not screenshot my nfts 🤬🥺😔
I’m also seeing a ton of streams on tiktok where people are literally just showing episodes of shows and anime on tiktok and this big drama or something similar is probably gonna happen on there too 💀💀
Like o was scrolling and straight up saw someone streaming Spider-Man NWH 😳
I honestly think the whole situation is really sad that people don’t have the decency to know how copyright laws work and just do this crap
On tiktok AND twitch
But I think it’s worse on tiktok because at least on twitch they try to add commentary and talk (even though it’s still technically wrong)
But on tiktok they literally just let it play and don’t say anything it’s so dumb 💀
I'd like to get into it now, so- UA-cam ad earrapes the whole damn living room
She makes 6 figures a month. 48 hour suspension is literally just giving her a vacation. She’ll cry into her pool of cash.
lol
And her simps will give her more subs to "make her feel better"
I doubt she needs more money or the channel anymore. Maybe she's trying to get a perma ban so she can retire lol
@@kennylaysh2776 I mean she can always just say "man I don't wanna do this no mo" and quit
@@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial she could. But surely some f-heads would send her death threats then
A way twitch could easily fix this problem is make the bans long enough that it actually effects the large streamers who don’t care about a 2 day ban
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Poki literally like
"See yall monday"
Bitch just took the weekend off...
Yeah, when I heard Pokimane is just getting a two day ban, I just thought "so... a vacation?"
its a strategy to have a 2 day off and spend time with her boyfriend or something maybe
Penguin. You actually have great content. That shows by the fact that your are literally recording with no fancy background or setups and have almost 10M subs. But most streamers and creators are just copy-pasting. You are the 1% lol. Keep it up.
I'm subscribing, I love your content bro.
I've always been annoyed with the internet's understanding of fair use. There is zero consistency to what they think is fair use beyond "I liked the thing," and apparently writing "no copyright infringement intended, I own nothing" is all they think they need to do.
I remember Legal Eagle explaining fair use and the DMCA in a Lindsay Ellis video, and if it wasn't just a small part of a long video, I'd link it to so many people.
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Tom Scott's copyright video is very good as well
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What annoys me is when UA-camrs just use clips and music to make the video more aesthetic “There’s no commentary, parody, criticism, teaching or research“ you are just grabbing Busdriver music and putting it in a movie review.
sup barb, please do not screenshot my nfts 🤬🥺😔
Big creators do dumb shit and get away with just tap on the wrist, but then the rules get ridiculously strict because of that and small creators are the ones who suffer the consequences. If Twitch had balls they would start turning off the partnership of everyone who "test the limits", but is obviously never going to happen.
hi md, please do not screenshot my nfts 🤬🥺😔
@@MrDankTM mald
pokimane isnt a small creator lol
@@iEpisxde If you're trying to imply that a 2 day suspension is a punishment for pokimane instead of a 2 day expense free vacation then you are horrendously wrong
Viacom is the type of company to copyright someone's video for showing a 1 second clip of one their shows
Yeah like, my problem with it isn't that I'm against piracy or I'm defending big studios, this is just going to kill so much of twitch like it did with youtube, and it's going to hurt A LOT of streamers. It's mind boggling to me that these big streamers are this stupid that they would stream shit like this without thinking like a week into the future to see what will happen.
Streamers: "DMCA is no joke, I don't want that shit"
Also streamers: "ROFL I watch copyrighted tv live with 30k+ audiences"
@ The TacoCat
Your mom :)
They think DMCA is like a group of people when it’s really a law
At least Charlie is one of the few sane streamers who can see how his actions affect others less fortunate than himself. It's seeming rather rare now with the top people in twitch.
Nah, they just don't care as long as the views/money keeps rolling in. Why would they care when they make more in a few hours sitting at home than I do working a 9-5.
i mean she's a fking millionare. she can just leave twitch and eat for the rest of her life
@@TheJaeko9 And *there* is where actually "canceling" someone would come in handy. These big streamers have no real incentive to stop toeing the line and pushing boundaries. They're already popular enough where any changes to Twitch probably won't significantly affect their livelihoods.
@@WanderTheNomad ??? how did we suddenly get to canceling someone and ruining their livelihood just because they’re popular?
@@ryuta2038 Because they don't care if they affect the livelihoods of streamers that are way less richer than them. And they have no reason to care.
Don't ask a question to someone if you're not even willing to think about what the answer might be
This is the modern day equivalent of copying a vhs video cassette and posting it to your outta town friend so that you can both watch a movie at the same time whilst talking on a telephone.
a fantastic idea i thought of that could be really good is for twitch to partner with anime sites like crunchiroll so a streamer can fully stream their reactions to anime episodes on twitch but to join the stream it would require you to also have a crunchiroll subscription so they know everyone there has paid for it. Then no one gets banned, everyone pays for content they watch and everyone wins.
As Tom Scott has said, copyright laws are a trainwreck in the age of the internet. They need to be completely rewritten to truly work again.
Edit: although yeah for this example, the streamers are definitely Doing A Bad lmao the copyright strike is perfectly justified here.
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True but this situation isn’t an example of that.
This situation is literally just a bunch of millionaires sitting in front of a screen, eating and occasionally laughing and they aren’t even pretending it’s transformative they are just blatantly stealing content because they can, because they’re greedy, because they’re lazy (despite having literally the easiest job on planet Earth) and most of all because they have impunity.
@@DylanHart8 Couldn't have said it better myself.
but the copyright strike was completely deserved here
@@DylanHart8 cr1tikal also does the same (on stream) he cuts the video ofc when posting it but cr1tikal also just alot of times sits there because he has no input or commentary to give
The biggest difference here to the UA-cam case back in 2014 is that for the UA-cam case, there were too many individuals and none of them were worth suing, so Viacom took the suit to UA-cam themselves.
For this particular case, Viacom could probably sue Pokimane and actually recover damages, based on public information about what she earns. It would probably be the best outcome, because it wouldn't significantly affect Twitch as a platform, and would properly put the fear of legal action into big-name streamers that are DMCA-baiting.
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Yeah that's what I'm thinking. What's stopping any company from just suing Pokimane? She deserves it for breaking that law, not Twitch.
@@floatingdisembodiedhead8975 According to a few media reports they are. Her infractions of over 30+ will result in them targeting her for nearly the full charge of the strike which is 1.8 billion (or million can't remember which it was). They are doing this due to her success they believe she's more than capable of paying such a strike.
I read this off poptopic not the best location for 100% honesty but it was there .
How do we get from “we have issues with copyright laws and we need them reformed” to “all copyright is bad we should be able to take whatever we want”? The mental gymnastics people go through to simp for their streamers. They’re not trying to “push the limits of copyright laws” they’re just lazy.
Considering how this very well makes advertizers leave the platform out of fear for getting into bad press (like lawsuits mentioning them being involved), UA-cam is gonna become even more CCP.
Can someone explain to me why she thought it was okay to watch an entire season of avatar on her stream? I don’t know why her ban is surprising. It’s been know to not watch full shows on stream or UA-cam.
Cuz she's a big streamer she figured they'd be okay w it ig but she got the ban so it is what it is
bohoo 💀
ToadPhd done a 32 day stream and people shared whole episodes of Jersey Shore sooo I don't know how he got away with it
From her perspective you either get:
1. No-effort stream content as subs/donations come rolling in
2. A 2 day vacation
And Twitch refuses to seriously punish them as they're bringing in the bulk of Twitch's revenue.
Because people have been doing it for a while with other shows without consequences
For once I actually agree with Twitch, I feel like if they just let creators react to copyrighted content, and make money on it, that could cause some serious lawsuits that wouldn't necessarily be the fault of Twitch themselves.
Unlike Viacom
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@Mbita Acoustic Guitar You love Cr1tiKal, huh? Suuuure you do! Your mom says you need 30k subscribers? Suuuure she did! Ah, you bots can just make me laugh sometimes! 😄 And how many other people have I seen saying exactly this on other channels in the replies? Well, I can certainly say you aren't the only one, Mbita 😯🤭
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oh its not a perm
been a long time coming
Oh god, I just felt a disturbance in the force... as if a million Simps cried out in terror...
Congrats to everyone who found this reply
hi oh god. rip pokimane, also please do not screenshot my nfts 🤬🥺😔
And were suddenly silenced
Simps really gon cry themselves to sleep tonight 💀💀💀💀
@@whyyoutrippin5586 “NO, MOM! IM NOT GOING UPSTAIRS FOR DINNER TONIGHT! POKIMANE JUST GOT BANNED!!! UGH” they definitely complained about it on discord and cried their eyes out
she was just watching full episodes with basically no commentary its literally non transformative she deserves more than a weekend off
@@Lana.a_ well Totally Not Mark who did actual transformative content got his entire livelihood taken away, 2 years worth of videos taken down. A week's ban feels like a slap on the wrist
@@Lana.a_ this is hilarious, acting as if the fact poki is a women is the reason people are attacking her, as opposed to the reason shes managed to evade ban this long lol. It doesnt matter what u think of ip, cuz frankly most of the comments on this whole section barely understand it, but all you need to know is this is yet another rule, I guess law, that pokimane has violated out of laziness or unoriginality. People own things they've created and can sell it to publishers to distribute it if they so choose, and you breaching that agreement cuz u think ip is lame and poki didnt do nothin just doesnt matter at allllll
@@iroxursoxwithjello The simp is strong with Conrad Gmitter
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@@ricoamordavila7496 that guy is the simp? Why’s that? Like legit who is he even sipping for?
I went to high-school with her in the same grade, it's so strange hearing about her being so popular. Best of luck Iman :)
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This guy never fails to tell us news with very great detail
hi elite. rip pokimane, also please do not screenshot my nfts 🤬🥺😔
Not really, its just recycled from the first 10 channels that covered it before him
News? Get a grip
Well he talks about top topics for views, so it’s pretty smart
I can’t even tell if your comment is a bot or not. UA-cam is such a shithole
It’s even more serious when Charlie’s ear is visible.
hi creep. rip pokimane, please do not screenshot my nfts 🤬🥺😔
pretty sure thats the first time ive seen his ear
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@@connormorgan3191 if i remember correctly that is the same bot that says the opposite
Holy crap, there's so many bots
"You play with fire, and sometimes ye' get burned"
It seems like everyone nowadays online has an attitude that they can push the envelope and when it goes too far be given the authority to make their own guidelines
IMO twitch and YT are missing out BIG TIME on this. They could literally AND EASILY implement a "watchalong" button where the content creator can link legitimate places to watch the content along with them. It could have timestamp integration and everything, and I bet amazon, netflix etc would love it since it drives sales for them.
Amazon prime video already has something like that on the platform but the streamer only broadcasts their reaction and their timestamp and everybody else is responsible for having prime video and to sync it up with the stream but that way you can see the streamers reaction to what you're all essentially watching together
Unfortunately the process for setting up a big collaboration like that is slow and tedious for big companies.
Twitch is literally owned by amazon and it still took them a while to implement amazon watch parties.
You're right that it's a good idea and it will probably come eventually.
@@Marcus_Aurelius42 amazon prime is locked per region though so if you have viewers not NA they can't watch anyways
Amazon prime has that, also you've got a good mind for buisness if you tought about this without knowing it already existed.
This is a great idea
I think he makes a lot of salient points here where the people on top trying to poke the bear will ruin it for the other 99% of the platform who can't as easily navigate these potential new hurdles
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DGG4LYFE?
Y know German has a neat law called parody law. You could take an entire movie and as long as you make fun or comment on every single Szene you are using, it's transformative enough not to be copyright claimed.
@@nodontdoitno5279 See Fair Use is actually a legal defense in the U.S against allegationsof copyright infringement. It only is substantively applied when used in a court case, so a judge decides what is fair use in one case only.
The big twitch problem could literally turn into a 'one kid does something bad and the teacher punishes the whole class' situation
XQC is literally seasons into Masterchef and its sick he hasn't even gotten a slap on the wrist lol shoutout to you tho for being the GOAT and the OG
i never knew he did that
its on youtube so it might be ok
Absolutely devastated by these news. How will me and my familly be able to sleep at night after hearing such news. My doctor doubled my xannax prescription because of the anxiety and heart palpitations this caused me.
hello Dimi. rip pokimane, also please do not screenshot my nfts 🤬🥺😔
Holyshit wtf is with the bots
shitty bot
My god the bots are getting out of hand, @UA-cam please fix this once and for all
It's more of the fact that the top Twitch Streamers are getting off with essentially with a slap on the wrist while others get just full bans. That's why people are wanting DMCA to come down on the top Streamers just to make it a point that their popularity is not a shield for them. Like yeah we fucking hate DMCA and shit but literally having small streamers be perma banned for DMCA while their golden children are giving a slap on the wrist by Twitch is even more bullshit in my opinion. Twitch needs to show consistency when it comes to the platform enforcement and I bet if DMCA actually falls on the streamers for this then maybe they will understand pushing the will fuck them over as well as everyone else.
I feel the same, as much as I don't want streamers to be banned small or large, this needs consistancy and twitches maybe maybe not attitude towards the whole situation is rediculous. Another apocalypse needs to happen. 2022 is going to be a wild year for twitch.
Twitch just doesn't want to lose those big streamers, I guess. The whole big/small streamer priority just sickens me.
i don't think the solution is to shaft everyone MORE. dmca needs fixing, and the unfairness of bans speaks more to how corrupt these money hungry corporations are. having dmcas cause perma bans for even big streamers will just throttle and corporatize streaming faster. there's a better way to deal with this than making the system suck harder for everyone. the way things are now im waiting for the day companies like viacom just buy a mascot streamer who is the only one allowed to stream their content and force monetize what used to be a free (or at least pay what you want) form of entertainment.
I mean if im twitch i wouldnt as well lol they make the site tons of money
@@iignorepoopieheads5170 Yeah but it really sets a bad precedent when it comes to applying the TOS. When it comes to bigger streamers they stream to a bigger audience, meaning when it comes to stuff like this, there is a bigger loss of income from the original creators. If they have the required distribution license then it’s fine, but when they don’t, it needs to be shown that things like that can be really serious when it comes to the breach of law. Like the smaller streamers will be permanently banned, but if people like Pokimane, XQC, and others that size get a lighter sentence, it doesn’t effect them that much and doesn’t give a good look to outside parties like Viacom, Fox, etc.
I actually work for Viacom (indirectly through an agency, its complicated) but anyway when it comes to protecting their IP I have heard from their side through friend when this topic com es up, that its not necessarily the company being overly litigious but basically if you don't 'make an attempt to protect your IP by going after offenders' then you can lose your copyright. Basically you cant pick and choose when you defend your IP you have to go after all cases you are aware of.
Hope this helps clarify for ppl.
Also did I mention my dad is LITERALLY Elon Musk
That last omnibus bill from 2020 made "streaming" music and movies federally illegal, I think it's up to 10 years in fed prison with fines, that doesn't include possible lawsuits toward twitch and the streamer. Tough, DMCA needs to be updated and loosened even slightly
It's always a pet peeve of mine to call these suspensions "bans".
Well "ban" doesn't inherently mean "forever" so that's just a dumb pet peeve lol
@@justinnolte3205 its cuz twitch has a 3 ban policy, which is why its annoying for calling these suspensions a ban.
@@justinnolte3205 no it's dumb to call 2 day ban a ban not a temporary suspension, she's gonna be back with more subs and bits then ever
@@justinnolte3205 lol funni
She is banned. Cry about it.
If twitch was smart about this I feel like they could leverage a lot of opportunity out of it. People clearly want to have watch parties with their favourite streamers, I feel like it would be possible to strike a deal with streaming services like netflix into integrating the actual streaming service itself into the platform. I have no idea how the technical specifications of this would work but if viewers could link their paid netflix account with their twitch account and then gain access to the integrated stream with the netflix stream synced up with the twitch content creator's netflix stream, only users who have paid for the service already could watch and the streamer isn't actually streaming the movie/tv show, they're essentially a second video overlayed over the netflix stream. There would be an issue arise when there are geolocational blockers, in which case those viewers wouldn't be able to access the integrated stream without a vpn. This could be taken a step further with netflix acting as a sponsor for streamers who use their platform for watch parties and providing streamers with sponsorship codes and benefits to make up for the streamer having a smaller audience due to (whether or not viewer has a paid netflix account linked), since this would undoubtedly bring more customers to netflix because they don't want to miss out on these watch parties with their favourite streamers. Seems like everybody wins in this scenario. I'm sure similar things could be achieved with watch parties for youtube videos.
that's a cool idea. plus, twitch is literally owned by amazon! who has a streaming service!
This is an amazing idea
They've already done that with Amazon prime, cause you know, Twitch is owned by Amazon
@@hippopajamas They've already done that
People who watch other people watching movies are dead inside.
Rockin the skrillex cut
Y'all remember a few years ago when people were telling him to cut his hair then he never did out of spite
The dumb thing is that 2 day ban doesn't do anything. Poki will probably make the amount of money she lost on the first stream back. It's basically just paid time off.
@@Dockhead Uhhhh, it's more than just "American companies" that do that, dude.
Poki is there cash cow, no way they’ll let go of someone like her so easily.
@@DMAGAEscober didn't people say that about ludwig lol they didn't even try to keep him
@The TacoCat Oh look, another douche that's tricking people into watching his bad videos with bait/fake info. =D
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Viacom sucks but I really don’t see what they did wrong in this case. Even if copyright law was massively reformed it’s not like this is some 70 year old show that’s teethering on the public domain. You’re not criticizing it, you’re hardly adding anything transformative to it (which is already a tenous excuse to begin with), you’re simply stealing content and restreaming it for free to thousands. It’s like the straight-up textbook definition of a copyright violation, short of literally ripping a dvd and selling it there’s next to no way this could be any more clear cut. UA-cam’s «ad-claim» feature is a gesture of kindness, not something that is specified in law anywhere. Companies can and likely will sue people and companies who attempt this, and they’re no doubt going to have a slam dunk in court.
I'm still blown away people are for some reason having a hard time understanding this
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The problem here isn't that they violated the law. Yeah they did. It's that copyright is a horrible law. It's essentially just NFTs but they actually do something. It gets even worse when it comes to inventions because now people can't take other people's design and implament it into their own invention because that piece is copyrighted. It's just anti-art, anti-tech, and protects the interests of big buisnesses.
they get what they deserve for not knowing the loopholes
A little part of me hoped it was an actual (permanent) ban when I saw the video.. Disappointed but didn't hold that much hope in the first place.
You're right Charlie but this applies to buying games on steam with the intention of playing them on stream then returning them imo. That definitely is a copyright abuse even if it's technically legal.
@Jamie Last he's saying it should be obvious to streamers that playing copyrighted material and benefiting by getting views is against the policy. i'm saying the same goes for "buying" indie games on steam only with the intention of returning them before the 2 hour limit is up and playing them on stream. which he's done.
Hm. Funny how Ludwig pointed out that reacting to copyrighted content is dangerous for creators a couple weeks ago and everyone hated on him, but now that Poki got banned for literally that exact reason, suddenly no one is mad at his take anymore 🤔
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lol true.
Who hated him? I mean it is true, he used toast as an example in his thumbnail, and toast watched entire naruto episodes like i presume pokimane did with atla.
@@alcabone1126 bro wdym tons of streamers and their fans were all over him for that take. Hasan for example went full-on debate mode
He tried to warn them and they didn’t listen lol
Yeah, these streamers really need to stop poking the bear. If streamers keep infringing copyrights so brazenly, and Twitch does not start dealing with copyright violations with a heavier hand, the door could be opened for a big rights holder like Viacom or, even worse, Disney, which can afford a lot of very expensive lawyers, to make the argument that Twitch isn't making a good faith effort to remove infringing materials. If a court were to entertain that argument, Twitch would be in danger of losing its DMCA safe harbor, and if that happened, suddenly Twitch would be liable for every single copyright infringement that occurs on the platform, which, considering all the effort Sonny Bono and Disney's lobbyists put into making U.S. copyright law as Draconian as possible, could be enough to even drag Amazon down.
I agree
I like the "watch with me" stile, is simply a timer and the title of the movie
A good way to counter this would be to get in touch with the current owners of a certain anime and make an agreement that you are allowed to watch one pilot episode to promote it.
She just needs to come on over here to UA-cam streaming. Best decision I made was switching from Twitch to UA-cam streaming.
At least you can fight the copyright claims here 🤷♂️
she needs to stay off both, only talented and interesting people should be let to make content on these sites.
Well yes but it's still comparing garbage with hot garbage. UA-cam's copyright system has some severe prejudice for "companies". You probably know this already but pewdipie's own songs got claimed by "pewdipie the company" and even now he's got no say in when or if it'll go away.
The problem is that pokimane didn't add anything transformative all they do is stream the show for free without saying anything
"Fighting copyright" HAHAAHAHHA
@@ryanpellegrini BASED
The fact the people are suprised with pokimane's ban over what she did confirms to me that if you get big enough on a platform their rules become a suggestion
this is a really good way of putting it lmao
Oh fr thats how it is frankly if you asked me before this the only way I could have seen her get a ban was for screaming racial slurs or something homophobic or transphobic because those 3 groups rank higher on the Lefts victim ladder then an average woman Edit: accidently said have have instead of have seen
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Yeah… that’s literally always been the point… on any platform. If it weren’t, there’s no way Logan Paul should’ve been able to still have a career after his stunt in the suicide forest.
Who is "people" I haven't seen anyone surprised by it?
I mean, I've actually seen 24 hour streams where they straight up marathon entire series' like Spongebob or Family Guy not just on twitch, but here on UA-cam as well. I've even gotten a few of them on my recommended from time to time.
They can't push a change that big because its gonna flip their platform on its side and twitch itself will lose money and it will lose streamers over it. Honestly if anything big at all came from this, I would argue it would be twitch reevaluating their rules and finding a loop hole in the copyright laws which isn't that hard to do at all they just have to hire some people to look at the fine print and basically just have them find a way to go through the laws without hitting any of the other consequences. Which is why reaction videos on youtube of the exact same thing are up and are even monetized sometimes if the person wants to be scummy about it.