imagine lannister, the greatest swrodsman of his generation, greatest beauty and greatest mind. spearheaded my mighty tywin. that would be OP but alas, hubris claims them
@scrijordan he had the entirety of The Reach and Stormlands behind him with over a hundred thousand troops in total. He could have taken on Stannis and the Lannisters at the same time.
Personally, part of me was rooting for him to be king. Stannis is great, but his inflexibility and stubbornness would make him very difficult to deal with in many situations a king would be involved in. Renly, by contrast, probably knew the game a lot better than his elder sibling :)
Robert was the Steel that was great at war but not in peace. Stannis was the Iron that was unbending to the whim of other petty lords and vices but was too inflexible to changes that could snap him. Renly was the Copper pretty on the outside but useless when it comes to things.
@@simonpierre8283 Renly showed he was an adept politician. He does appear to be a puppet of the Tyrells but thats because he needed their support to take King's landing and thus had to give into their demands. In reality the second his rule was secure he'd be the exact kind of king who could have pushed back that sense of control. He also had time where being at disadvantage didnt matter. Unless Margery got pregnant with his child and thus there was a baratheon heir on the way Margery could control, (which for reasons would be hard) the Tyrells influence was good for them but not enough to supplant Renly. That gave him years or even decades to claw back control he gave up for Tyell support.
I feel like Tywin would parlay with Renly after the capitol falls and hope for the Lannisters are lost. Tywin is ruthless but he knows when he has lost
after renly becomes king this is extremely inaccurate. Their is no way he’s just going to throw events and celebrate while the common folk starve. He already knew the debt the crown was in and now he has the tyrells basically controlling him. No way Olenna or Margery will just sit back and wait for the people to turn on them. And the lannisters would also be stripped of everything. Gaining their favor doesnt make sense in the slightest, they lost and its the entirety of westeros against them minus the ironborn
@@ThreeEyedTheorist What would have happened if Nymeria found Arya before TBWOB/the Hound got to her?! Or if somehow they got back together before Arya crossed the Narrow Sea? (I don’t know how else to get a video idea to ya!!🤦🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️🫣)
I always like these kind of thought experiments. Renly is actually a dead man walking in the series. He is murdered before he can do anything important. But if you accept that by some miracle he survives Melisandres shadow demon attack unharmed, then a lot will change. Renly will know that Stannis is behind the attack and even if Renly dows not attack his brother outrigt, Stannis will return to Dragonstone without any much support. Renly with the Tyrells in tow will then make the proposed alliance with Rob Stark and they will most likely crush the Lannisters between them. Now, Tywinn might do something clever, but i guess that even a genius like him wont succeed against such overwhelming odds. The best scenario the Lannisters can hope for is some sort of honorable defeat, if they accept Renlys succession early. I am alway wondering why you put so much effort into bringing the high sparrow in. Without Cerseis support this man will never rise to any significant position of power, especially if the capital is quickly taken by a Renly/Tyrell/Stark alliance.
What if Jon ended up with the dragons? Maybe the eggs were on the other side of the wall, and somehow were on a cart that was burned to stop Walkers? Be so cool if the Night's Watch had dragons.
Davos wouldn’t be allowed to command the navy having been an enemy the other lords would not agree and there would be more experienced naval commanders such as the red wines even though there sons are being held captains by Cersei they would consider them lost by this point
Hear me out, what if Robb married Margaery after Renly death? This would be with the context that Catelyn managed to get a different deal with the Freys
Without Cersi arming the Faith Militant I doubt the High Sparrow would be much more then a nuisance to King Renly. Renly isn’t stupid enough to allow himself to be captured by them like Cersi and he we wouldn’t be converted like Tommen.
I love the theory but Ironically fire may not harm the shadow creature. If the Red Preist's mythology has an connection to fire magic, then Rhllor's light and the shadows cast from light are allied against the Other. Meaning flame may not harm its ally. Interesting magical quandry that GRRM will likley never give us a chance to test
What if Stannis won battle of ice What if Robb joind Stannis What if renly joind Stannis What if Vale joind Robb What if khal drogo invaded westeros with dohraki part 2. What if Viserys survied what if Young griff was in show. What if Tywin survied what if Viserys named Aegon heir. What if Theon stayed loyal.
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I don't find Tommen being married off to Shireen realistic. The main crux of Renly's claim is that Cersei's kids are inbred bastards, and keeping Tommen around, and marrying him to Stannis's heir, would undermine his rule.
I bet you guys get sick of hearing this but, the writing in your videos are better than the later seasons of Game of Thrones and HBO should really contract you guys to make a “what if” series about alternate scenarios than what happened in the show and books.
How bad do we want a part 2 for this one ?
We dont want it, we need a part 2
Great video can't wait for part two ❤
BAD!!!
I do
Bad
Renly was so overpowered George had to use plot convenience to kill him
Facts
How was he op ?
@ the biggest army by far
Great commanders
A solid line up of players of the game of thrones
imagine lannister, the greatest swrodsman of his generation, greatest beauty and greatest mind. spearheaded my mighty tywin. that would be OP but alas, hubris claims them
@scrijordan he had the entirety of The Reach and Stormlands behind him with over a hundred thousand troops in total. He could have taken on Stannis and the Lannisters at the same time.
Renly kind of forgot about being dead.
I would love a what if where the high Sparrow overthrows king Tommen and calls for the Faith to be the highest ruling class in the realm
If that happened all highborn would be very much interested in a certain dragon tamer to show up with an army
wouldnt last long considering how divided religious beliefs are in westeros
Personally, part of me was rooting for him to be king. Stannis is great, but his inflexibility and stubbornness would make him very difficult to deal with in many situations a king would be involved in. Renly, by contrast, probably knew the game a lot better than his elder sibling :)
Renly was a puppet
Robert was the Steel that was great at war but not in peace. Stannis was the Iron that was unbending to the whim of other petty lords and vices but was too inflexible to changes that could snap him. Renly was the Copper pretty on the outside but useless when it comes to things.
@@simonpierre8283 Renly showed he was an adept politician. He does appear to be a puppet of the Tyrells but thats because he needed their support to take King's landing and thus had to give into their demands. In reality the second his rule was secure he'd be the exact kind of king who could have pushed back that sense of control.
He also had time where being at disadvantage didnt matter. Unless Margery got pregnant with his child and thus there was a baratheon heir on the way Margery could control, (which for reasons would be hard) the Tyrells influence was good for them but not enough to supplant Renly. That gave him years or even decades to claw back control he gave up for Tyell support.
renly is as much if not moreso a push over as tommen was
Another great episode my friend. You have such a great team to make this so quick with so many voices
thank you!!!
Agreed
There are AI scripted videos on different timeline. It’s not real
Man, Theodan showed up. House Rohan riding in.
I feel like Tywin would parlay with Renly after the capitol falls and hope for the Lannisters are lost. Tywin is ruthless but he knows when he has lost
This this literally the storyline without magic
Always a good day when more videos release
after renly becomes king this is extremely inaccurate. Their is no way he’s just going to throw events and celebrate while the common folk starve. He already knew the debt the crown was in and now he has the tyrells basically controlling him. No way Olenna or Margery will just sit back and wait for the people to turn on them. And the lannisters would also be stripped of everything. Gaining their favor doesnt make sense in the slightest, they lost and its the entirety of westeros against them minus the ironborn
Love the videos keep it up
High Sparrow: "Lol ur gay"
*episode ends*
Excellent video as usual mate
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@@ThreeEyedTheorist What would have happened if Nymeria found Arya before TBWOB/the Hound got to her?! Or if somehow they got back together before Arya crossed the Narrow Sea? (I don’t know how else to get a video idea to ya!!🤦🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️🫣)
Great video as always!😊😊😊😊
Absolutely loving the video game and Monty Python stills. Production value going way up 👍
Great vid as always
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what if rob stark married a martell girl, uniting dorne and the north against the lannisters
I always like these kind of thought experiments. Renly is actually a dead man walking in the series. He is murdered before he can do anything important. But if you accept that by some miracle he survives Melisandres shadow demon attack unharmed, then a lot will change.
Renly will know that Stannis is behind the attack and even if Renly dows not attack his brother outrigt, Stannis will return to Dragonstone without any much support. Renly with the Tyrells in tow will then make the proposed alliance with Rob Stark and they will most likely crush the Lannisters between them. Now, Tywinn might do something clever, but i guess that even a genius like him wont succeed against such overwhelming odds. The best scenario the Lannisters can hope for is some sort of honorable defeat, if they accept Renlys succession early.
I am alway wondering why you put so much effort into bringing the high sparrow in. Without Cerseis support this man will never rise to any significant position of power, especially if the capital is quickly taken by a Renly/Tyrell/Stark alliance.
This is well done
Was caugh off guard with Bernard Hill's Theoden there. May he rest in power!
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What if Jon ended up with the dragons?
Maybe the eggs were on the other side of the wall, and somehow were on a cart that was burned to stop Walkers? Be so cool if the Night's Watch had dragons.
Incredible ❤
High Sparrow forgot he's not in the timeline where Cersei arms the faith
Magnificent 👏 🔥 👏
Davos wouldn’t be allowed to command the navy having been an enemy the other lords would not agree and there would be more experienced naval commanders such as the red wines even though there sons are being held captains by Cersei they would consider them lost by this point
Naw renly wants to be Robert he would like the symbolism and devos had stannis fleet
I didn't think Renly had it in him to behead Joffrey
hell yeah, new morning new theory
As long as he still calls Stannis a ham
Come on guys we need a part 2!
What if Catelyn knew about Jons Mother?
He could survive but he even dreams he's taking Stan the Man he better wake up and apologize.
I'm not sure Davos would turn so easily. I fear he would be executed or imprisoned for loyalty to Stannis.
Davos is the king the Realm needs, but will never deserve. Ser Davos Kingsworth if you will
Peace and prosperity my king
Hear me out, what if Robb married Margaery after Renly death? This would be with the context that Catelyn managed to get a different deal with the Freys
Bro captured King Theoden
Without Cersi arming the Faith Militant I doubt the High Sparrow would be much more then a nuisance to King Renly. Renly isn’t stupid enough to allow himself to be captured by them like Cersi and he we wouldn’t be converted like Tommen.
I love the theory but Ironically fire may not harm the shadow creature. If the Red Preist's mythology has an connection to fire magic, then Rhllor's light and the shadows cast from light are allied against the Other. Meaning flame may not harm its ally. Interesting magical quandry that GRRM will likley never give us a chance to test
What if Jaime was as ruthless as Tywin
What if Stannis won battle of ice What if Robb joind Stannis What if renly joind Stannis What if Vale joind Robb What if khal drogo invaded westeros with dohraki part 2. What if Viserys survied what if Young griff was in show. What if Tywin survied what if Viserys named Aegon heir. What if Theon stayed loyal.
Shout out to King Theoden lol
Everyone fights like demons
I think most of Stannis’s men would surrender when faced with Renly’s much bigger army.
Wouldn't Catelyn still find out about Littlefinger betraying Ned? She probably wouldn't want him to marry her sister then
This guy had NO claim to the throne! Why did so many people follow him?
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The septon is OP only wildfire can kill them😂
what if Ned stark told Cat the truth about Jhon Snow
Not wise or safe for Jon.
TheEmpyreanSpeaks has a theory on that
Renly hates littlefinger i dont think renly would allow him to marry Lysa
I don't find Tommen being married off to Shireen realistic.
The main crux of Renly's claim is that Cersei's kids are inbred bastards, and keeping Tommen around, and marrying him to Stannis's heir, would undermine his rule.
What if a simpler change were made
What if there was a knights school
For squires
An academy
Did I miss it? What was Sansa Stark’s fate in this scenario?
I bet you guys get sick of hearing this but, the writing in your videos are better than the later seasons of Game of Thrones and HBO should really contract you guys to make a “what if” series about alternate scenarios than what happened in the show and books.
Love hearing it haha would really be an honor to do
Et si gendry était devenu roi à la place de bran
Where is sansa
What if Sansa told the truth to eddard stark when they were in the hall diccusioning what happend between the 3 children and direwolves
Uhmm soo what they just fight with a shadow
Did Sansa live??
lots of happy gay men that is for sure.