Weed jokes and lore. Never knew I wanted that from Lord of the Rings xD Tbf there is a legendary 2000s german or so edit which is called lord of the weed. So its not a completely new concept.
I got to meet Karl Urban (Eomer) at a comic con a couple years ago. Pretty much EVERYONE going to see him was talking about Star Trek and he honestly seemed pretty bored/tired (to be fair it was already the 4th day of him being there). When I finally got up to talk to him we brought up LotR and he got so excited and happy, you could tell how much he loved this role. He specifically singled out how great it was to work with Peter Jackson and the amazing cast, it was really cool to talk about even for just a few minutes
"Stupid fringey just leave the efaps's" "No,fringey loves the efaps's...master maulers values his opinions he does,not like that filthy rag's's's's" Chapter 10 of the efap chronicles part 2, the 2 tonalds
With the context of the new lore, does that mean Grima is actually the only sober, well-adjusted person in Middle-Earth and that’s why no one trusts him? 😂
The thought of Legolas raging at the sky because Eowyn and Gandalf r catching up on leveling and unlocking specializations with a few boss kills while he's kill stealing makes me lol
Yeah, Jackson loved the rather poignant symbolism of it, and even filmed the extra scene of the flag coming to rest next to Aragorn as the party enters Edoras.
It wasn't planned, you can kind of tell since there's a continuity error since the actress isn't look the right way when the flag rips off and flies into the sky.
People are gonna start looking back on Lord of the Rings trilogy like the moon landing. A peak achievement which we're no longer capable of replicating. We didn't even realize what we had when we saw them in the theater as kids. We just thought movies were good and always would be.
@@Russ0107 they don't do moon landings anymore because there's no purpose to them. Not because we can't achieve it anymore. It takes a lot of money and manpower for one manned moon landing, and with today's technology we can just send a remote controlled vehicle to do all of our work for us. Even once we are capable of creating off-world habitats I doubt we will do anything more with the moon than turn it into a defense / fueling station. Theres absolutely nothing of value on the moon.
I think the elves coming to help during Helm's Deep battle is crucial as it helps to restore Theoden's faith in camaraderie. If you remember, just a few scenes before he is bitter about Gondor and lack of allies. This scene + Gandalf bringing back the Rohirrim is what influences him I think, to go to help Gondor.
Permit me to nerd out a bit, but the reason why Tolkien was able to come up with so many names is because he was a professor of philology, which is studying ancient texts and oral traditions. The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings came about from a combination of stories he told his kids to entertain them and him conceptualizing the entire history behind the Elven languages he wanted to make up. The books were like his side project.
Side project? If he has so much time to make his own languages, and cultures, and places, and about as much history as an alternate earth would have. I don’t think it should be called a “side project”
@@thesnipingseal8011 I think he meant the books story/plot were a side project while the language and lore were his main project. I think it depends how much time and effort he spent with each and what exactly constitutes side project vs just project.
Yup and he created the language before anything else. He made the language and then decided he needed a world to put it in so that's why he created Middle-Earth. Changes your entire perspective on the book if you realize it's just supposed to be his fantasy tale of Ancient Britain told in a forgotten language. The book is even written in the format of a formal narrator, assumed to be Bilbo / Frodo who originally wrote the manuscripts and were "found" thousands of years later by Tolkien and interpreted.
Helms Deep is such a good way to show that the good guys can almost lose a major battle, keep the stakes high, and have some important characters die, and drive the plot forward without making the villains looks completely incompetent or ineffective. If only Game of Thrones could have learned from it.
he's okay, he likes to climb mountains alone to deal with the stress, so if anything, he will probably be the last person to die from infectious disease.
"I don't understand. How can fire undo ston--" (external shot of Orthanc exploding violently) (directed by Peter Jackson, with curb your enthusiasm music overlaid)
18:50 Mauler predicts "Does it hurt" Kylo Meme. This also just so happens to be the movie with Shelob in it. Coincidence? I think not. Shlob told Mauler the truth about the future of EFAP and the memes to come, through mind telekinesis. This is Alfred'ed.
Merry: What? You've not heard of Hobbits! Pippin: We have the best weed around! Tree Beard: Really, Fantastic, some of my best friends are weeds, how are they? Merry & Pippin: Fuuuuuuuuuck.
As the Oracle Spiders have loooonnngg foretold, the LOTR videooooes are here. Praise the Don, Kick Jay, Drink the Rhino Milk and wash your hands. -Bilonius Baggenses
When Gandalf fought the Balrog the animators made this awesome fire simulation to get the flaming whip to behave realistically (remember this was a while ago so sims weren't all that big yet). Anyway they animated the Balrog and the whip looked dope and then they set it alight and bam! The most realistic whip they could get. The Flame went out as soon as the Balrog used the whip. as fire does. So they gave it back to the animators like "Yeah, guys do what you do best. Real life sucks" (paraphrased of course).
The elves in Helm's Deep have at least three functions; it gives the elves a bit more of a positive light, it functions as a small positive moment (and as payoff for the scene in Fellowship), and it adds another point of separation between this battle and the battle in Return of the King, where humanity is finally facing the enemy all alone and the age of man is truly begun.
So my understanding of the Kili/Tauriel/Legolas love triangle goes like this: The Kili/Tauriel romance was planned from the start, and Legolas and Tauriel would just be friends who respected each other’s abilities. Then the studio execs insisted on having it be a love triangle, which both Evangeline Lilly and Orlando Bloom were heavily against. This is why the scenes with Kili and Tauriel are genuinely touching and the actors have chemistry, but the scenes with Legolas and Tauriel are clearly half-asses, like the actors are just going through the motions.
It's a shame the studio ruined the Hobbit films production so badly. I don't know if they would have been good as a trilogy without it but had it been given the Lord of the Rings production treatment they definetly would have been more memorable.
WillFanofMany Thing is, I would have been more than happy with Legolas just kinda being along for the ride, maybe give him a mini-arc detailing his separation from his father beyond “lol, daddy banished muh bird!” like it is in the films. I mean, basically all Legolas does in the Hobbit films is be awesome and having that kickass fight with Bolg at the end of the third movie. Though I did enjoy the aesthetic of him steadily losing his weapons. First, he runs out of arrows, then he gives up Orcrist to Thorin, then he uses up his daggers killing Bolg.
@@12345678900987659101 do you remember how awful the 48 fps was? We saw it opening weekend in 48 + RealD 3D, it was so bad. It was like this hyper-surrealist shit where you see the stitches in the costumes and the fake contact lens colors; it was Warhol instead of Tolkien. I was so fucking shocked, like how does the couple who made Fellowship make this? Is there that much cocaine that two people can do in ten years? There's no other way to describe it, it was the most shocking experience I've ever had in a movie theater.
About the Ents. Saruman did know about them. I believe it was mentioned by Treebeard that the wizard used to go into the forest and talk with them, until he found other friends.
Quoth Treebeard: "There was a time when Saruman would walk in these woods... But now he has a mind of metal, and wheels." You're right, it was mentioned by Treebeard.
I know Wolf doesn't like that the elves are at Helm's Deep, and I completely understand why. They didn't really show them affecting the battle enough aside from the opening volleys of arrows and the charge into the wall breach, and Haldir's death of course. Definitely wish it could have been different. That said, I fucking love that scene where they arrive so god damn much. The music is beautiful, seeing badass armored elves next to these grimy human peasants and soldiers, the looks on their faces as they watch the elves march by, it's fucking great, then seeing them lined up on the wall so perfectly. One of my favorite scenes of the movie for sheer awesomeness. Also, the fact that they're completely thrown away (not one of them survived) and they don't even get a mention by anyone after that, THAT does piss me off.
The food supplies Merry & Pippen find was, in fact, Saruman's private stash. Tolkien had a whole backstory for the pipeweed as well. When Gandalf picked up the habit from his Hobbit acquaintances, Saruman ridiculed him, but he also got curious and tried it, and realized he liked it, but was too proud to admit it, so he used backchannel contacts, and acquired pipeweed by stealth and secrecy so he could smoke in private, while still posturing as if he looked down on the whole habit. When the pipeweed was found in Isengard, Gandalf realized the truth and was amused.
The propagandists from Rohan always lie about Saruman. In reality, he gave everyone in Orthanc a job; Orc, Uruk, Dunlendling, he employed them all. Industry really improved due to his economic policies, including redistributing the wealth of the Westfold, creating more jobs in industry and improving the foresting sector of the economy. He made the trains run on time and greatly expanded the Cavern sector beneath Orthanc. He greatly improved defence, expanded the military and made major advances with new advanced methods of producing explosives for the peaceful purpose of remodelling Helms Deep. Make Isengard Great Again!
Re: 46:50 The original script had Haldir and his Elves as Arwen's escort and she fights here alongside them. The elves are still in the scenes at Helm's Deep because Arwen's appearance wasn't cut until after they'd already filmed half of it. There are even a few deleted fight scenes with Liv Tyler in them floating around.
3:52 I'm quite dissapointed that Mauler forgets that without gollum the ring wouldn't have been destroyed, Frodo faulters at the end and Gollums need for the next big high is what ultimately destroyes the ring
@@meris8486 the fact that magic in LotR is fucked is pretty considerable issue. You never know the magic system, wizards limits, what they can do or not do, etc.
Boro B. But i think that just allows for more creative freedom as long as they dont go to overboard with it. I mean the worst thing Gandalf foes in the trilogy is break Saruman’s staff. As long as they dont show him like throwing a bunch of rocks and making earthquakes, then i dont think its to complicated
@@borob.5168 That's a fair complain, but I believe that in the long run it isn't too important to the story itself. It's not like the Force in the Star Wars sequels, where it does whatever they need it to do whenever they need it to do so while being an important part of the plot. In the LotR movies is just a means to an end that is secondary to everything else that is happening. The only prominent magic creatures we see are Gandalf, Saruman and Sauron. Sauron is actually pretty restricted, since we know all he can do in his state is see where the Ring bearer is whenever they put it on. With Gandalf and Saruman though we hit the wall of the Istari, the Maiar and the Valar. We can't know what they can do without explaining what those are, and that's a lot of information that doesn't affect the story directly (Because yeah, indirectly speaking everything that's happening is happening because of Sauron and Morgoth). There is so much lore you can add in 3 movies before you kill the pacing. While it would have been extremely interesting to know about them, I think it was the better call to leave it vague. Saruman and Gandalf pushing each other does feel silly though.
Just started playing The Third age a week ago, these videos are hilariously ironic that they keep bringing it up. Wormtongue was in fact a nightmare boss, probably one of the hardest in the game. Elegost was a Dunadain.
35:15 do remember that Legolas walks on top of the snow that the rest of them are wading through on the mountain in the first movie; Legoman doesn't care about our limited view of physics!
Fun Middle Earth fact: for the elves, the world is flat, but for everyone else it's round, that's why only elves can access the undying lands, because it exists outside the curve or something like that...
Around 45:00, when discussing Haldir and his elfmen, I feel like their solidarity with mortal men, whom they could simply have left behind to to live peacefully forever in the west, says something about honor and sacrifice that's worth having in the movie. I kind of like that they were willing to lay down their immortal lives to fight alongside men, whose time has come to defeat evil or die trying. Like the final benevolent act of a formerly great culture coming to an end.
So, very minor pitnicks for this very enjoyable experience: Saruman having the book that tells him about the Ring of Barahir isn't really that convenient. That ring is a proof of lineage for the Gondorian King's bloodline, along with Narsil. Whether a book of important royal lines or a book of important rings (whether rings of power or signets of royal houses), Saruman would definitely have that in his library. The convenient part is Grima noticing the ring and paying enough attention to it that he could describe it to Saruman later, on which I do agree. "Red Sunrise = there's been bloodshed" is actually a superstition/idea in some older cultures. Well, the doorwarden does stop another captain there from attacking the Fellowship. He probably knew Gandalf was bullocking but went along with it because he knew Gandalf was there to help. (forgot this one) Also, Saruman did know about the Ents. Quoth Treebeard: "There was a time when Saruman would walk in these woods... But he now has a mind of metal, and wheels." So he really should have known better than to anger the Ents. .. And that's all I've got. Thanks for providing us with such good rat.
19:40 Wolf seems to know alot of background infos, but he didn't mention the accidental flag ripping here. So just in case: This wasn't planned for initially! The flag literally got ripped off by the wind and they left it in the movie cause they liked the symbolism of the "decaying" state of Rohan.
MrLTD which was the film where in the behind the scenes there’s Peter Jackson saying “um the smoke/snow machine won’t turn off.. we might be in trouble with the police!!” Or something like that??
Please... please, someday, the three of you get together and go to New Zealand to see all the locations. I'm not demanding it, or to even see photos of that, but the idea of you three getting together to do that is such a wonderful, sweet, heartfelt concept that I truly wish it happens.
Just a correction about the chainmail thing: The mail worn by actors is not actually "real" in the sense that it's made of metal links, because that would be heavy as shit and there's no practical reason for an actor to have to wear 20lbs of metal for a costume. What they did was they cut plastic ribbed piping, by hand, into millions of rings which they painted silver and then crimped and bonded as if they were metal mail links. So they did make the actual pieces for the costumes (though I don't think they actually made full shirts for every actor because it would never be seen), but they weren't metal. Also yes, there was a master swordsmith who was hired by and worked at WETA for the film, and his job was to make "hero" versions of every sword in the movie, which they made real versions of for major shots and reference, and then the prop department made many copies of each for other uses. Most stunt swords that need to actually collide with things are made of aluminum because it's much lighter. I don't know of any rubber prop swords on set, but there might have been some.
Watching even these just reminds me of how my friend, despite being a huge LoTR fan, cannot stand watching the extended cuts of these films cuz "too much of it is pointless, hence their removal." I just cannot understand that mindset w this series
@@Benniator It was in part because the Books aren't perfectly lined up. Shelob in Two Towers is, chronologically, the same time as in the movies. But for the films they'd have had to jump waaaay into the future for Shelob.
I’ve always found it very fortunate that Gandalf and company riding into Isengard on their horses, managed to miss every one of the underwater chasms they were unknowingly riding their horses near.
35:26 -elves basically have the magical ability to defy physics in these movies. I mean... even in the books, Legolas was walking on top of the snow. :)
@@rindoubaka1574 I assume that is the one from Atttack on Titan? Haven't watched that. I know anime still has some grasp of the fact that strong woman doesn't have to be absolute cunts, though.
@@RoutaAskel Sadly it is only in the devils paintings that generally the women aren't absolute cunts unless it is for a character and are not shoving political BS down our throats. Not saying there is trash in there occasionally * cough* SAO *cough* but they are in a better state than the west. Sadly western media is lost in the horrid swamp of moralfagging of the worst kind and it is seeping everywhere if steps aren't made to stop it.
All jokes aside, I love how they just genuinely enjoy these movies. Like when gimli gets crushed by a dead wart, a dead orc, and another warg steps over the pile, there is no comment just laughs. Like it was intended. It's such a great moment. Laughed along with them.
I'm so glad MauLer knows that Faramir's quality was an ability in The Third Age. I'm tempted to re-buy a PS2 so I can actually play that shit for real.
To follow on from you’re unspoiled Joke from the first one Wouldn’t it be hilarious if in this one it had gone Orc: “we’ve been eating maggoty bread for three stinking days!!.. we need some meet!! What about them!!!” Points to the two hobbits Uruk hai: “they are not to be despoiled!!” Orc looks utterly shocked Orc: “dude we wanted to eat them!! Not f*ck them!!!”
While the movie may not outright say it, saying that the archers didn't really do anything is really selling them short. In the movie it's clear that the RIders of Rohan arrive JUST in the knick of time to save the day which means that if Rohan had even one less person defending Helms Deep then it may have been too late, so the addition of a bunch of Elves seems to have been the deciding factor in giving them enough time to hold out. Also 'it wasn't in the books' on it's own isn't really an argument against something. I know Wolf followed it up with other things but still, Rags and Mauler called it out when people were bashing Homecoming for not being like the Comics so ya gotta stay consistent with that.
I give it a pass, all the ents have similar names. I always thought it worked since talking was so slow they would naturally stick to simple compound word names. Reminds me of old Germanic/Nordic names.
Treebeard/Fangorn has a entish name. He is just the leader and diplomat of the trees (I meant ents but I guess he's the Lorax now, lol), so he speaks westernesse and sindarin. However, he has taken nicknames in the same way that Olórin has the name Mithrandir among elves and Gandalf among men. By the way, most all of Tolkien's characters have really shit names. It's just in a language we don't know (Fangorn sounds cool, but it's literally just beardtree).
@@Mythonaut Yeah, lol. Names are objects, like Rose, descriptors, like Scarlett, or actions and positions to aspire to like Alexander (roughly equals defender of men) or Aragorn (meaning revered king). None of them are particularly imaginative - with some extremely lacking in imagination - and probably don't sound very cool to someone who understands the language. However, I bet you that a Japanese person thinks Greg or Carl sounds really badass. The lack of familiarity is what makes them sound cool (no offence intended to the coolness of Gregs and Carls).
I think everyone wanted Grima to get slaughtered, but he had another scene later in the book with Saruman, which is even more confusing because they decided to cut out the whole burning of the Shire bit. Grima was basically an enemy saboteur weakening the country from within, taking advantage of the sovereign ruler's fragile state of mind to wane the country's defense against raids carried out by foreign invaders. He got one of his sons killed, banished the other, and attempted to seduce Theoden's daughter - and laughably, it looked like he almost succeeded before she told him to screw off. The entire time, Grima told Theoden what to do and how to treat his people and visitors, and when Theoden has him by the balls, Grima says that he only ever did what Theoden told *him* to do and that he served Theoden faithfully. Grima should have been a bloody stain on the steps.
Speaking of the real swords, I'm pretty sure Viggo volunteered to help make the real weapons in his spare time. He said he wanted to do something to help behind the scenes, and Peter sent him to the forge.
Gandalf the White is what happens when you're a stoner who smokes a joint after a year long break to get your life in order. He's now both wiser _and_ higher.
*Nazgul riding on a Fellbeast*
Frodo:"They Fly now!"
Sam:"They Fly now?!"
Gollum:"Theys flys nows."
I love how this entire thing is just weed jokes and Wolf explaining The Lord Of The Rings lore to the rest of the massive’s
I don't love how this entire thing is just weed jokes.
@@archstanton9073 well no one loves you
@LeadFaun Right!
@LeadFaun No. Right.
Weed jokes and lore. Never knew I wanted that from Lord of the Rings xD
Tbf there is a legendary 2000s german or so edit which is called lord of the weed. So its not a completely new concept.
"A Shield Maiden of Rohan...
You are a maiden, right?"
"Not in about ten minutes."
**saxophone starts**
I got to meet Karl Urban (Eomer) at a comic con a couple years ago. Pretty much EVERYONE going to see him was talking about Star Trek and he honestly seemed pretty bored/tired (to be fair it was already the 4th day of him being there). When I finally got up to talk to him we brought up LotR and he got so excited and happy, you could tell how much he loved this role. He specifically singled out how great it was to work with Peter Jackson and the amazing cast, it was really cool to talk about even for just a few minutes
Dude I envy you sooo much!
I'd have brought up his roles as Cupid and Julius Caesar in Hercules and Xena
Urban nailed Billy Butcher as well in The Boys. Homie's a great actor
@KW_ Sten13 - Beautiful story.
Dude that's amazing!
"Stupid fringey just leave the efaps's"
"No,fringey loves the efaps's...master maulers values his opinions he does,not like that filthy rag's's's's"
Chapter 10 of the efap chronicles part 2, the 2 tonalds
For me; the hosts are MauLer, Rag'ssss and Fringy
Mauler (re: Gandalf): _"His career as a wizard is pretty eventful when he's not smoking weed."_
Once tried weed, ended up in New Zealand fighting a hell demon on a mountain.
All in all would recommend.
We saved some for you, Mr. Frodo!
You ever look at the Black Gate and think, woah, doesn't get Mordor than that.
I don't know what I hate more, this terrible pun, or the fact that I laughed at it.
@@heavywestern5943 both
Lol took me way to long
"Hodor!" - Hodor pointing at the Black Gates of Mordor
I'm assuming you know the way out
With the context of the new lore, does that mean Grima is actually the only sober, well-adjusted person in Middle-Earth and that’s why no one trusts him? 😂
To be honest I could totally see that
I hope so. He does look like he's coming off of something.
I love how you have "I" as a part of your title XD
while middle earth was getting drunk on ale
grimma thought he’d try out mordor heroin...
didn’t end well.
Gríma was the narc that Theoden leaned on to get sober, but by then Gríma was already bought over by the DEA.
The thought of Legolas raging at the sky because Eowyn and Gandalf r catching up on leveling and unlocking specializations with a few boss kills while he's kill stealing makes me lol
The flag ripping wasn’t even planned, it just happened and they thought that it made the shot better so they kept it.
Yeah, Jackson loved the rather poignant symbolism of it, and even filmed the extra scene of the flag coming to rest next to Aragorn as the party enters Edoras.
The flag ripping was planned, where it landed however was not
Apex 0283 Except it wasn’t. The behind the scenes confirmed that.
It wasn't planned, you can kind of tell since there's a continuity error since the actress isn't look the right way when the flag rips off and flies into the sky.
The flag ripping was planned it was the flag falling beside them as they entered the town that was unplande
Tolkien didn’t just try to make 1 language
He succeeded in making many
And made a new Anglo-Saxon mythology in the process.
He even added alot to the meriam Webster dictionary
Notice how we say Dwarven instead of Dwarfen.
But Elven and Elfin are interchangeable.
The elves are call Elbs in the German Dub
Battle of Helms Deep is arguably the greatest "mass battle" scene in film history. A master class of storytelling and action.
Devon Hickey i think its the best battle scene in general but thats just me
heck yeah
I only wish the lighting was warmer. It's lit by torches and it's raining; everything _should not_ be moonlight blue.
It's a celestially epic battle and impressively put together.
People are gonna start looking back on Lord of the Rings trilogy like the moon landing. A peak achievement which we're no longer capable of replicating. We didn't even realize what we had when we saw them in the theater as kids. We just thought movies were good and always would be.
But... we are capable of moon landing. This isn't warhammer
And like the moon landing, some people will say good movies like LotR never actually happened because THEY never saw it.
@@crim1188 When's the last time they've landed people on the moon, jackass?
@@Russ0107 they don't do moon landings anymore because there's no purpose to them. Not because we can't achieve it anymore. It takes a lot of money and manpower for one manned moon landing, and with today's technology we can just send a remote controlled vehicle to do all of our work for us. Even once we are capable of creating off-world habitats I doubt we will do anything more with the moon than turn it into a defense / fueling station. Theres absolutely nothing of value on the moon.
@@aw7400 What about all the yellow cheese?
I think the elves coming to help during Helm's Deep battle is crucial as it helps to restore Theoden's faith in camaraderie. If you remember, just a few scenes before he is bitter about Gondor and lack of allies.
This scene + Gandalf bringing back the Rohirrim is what influences him I think, to go to help Gondor.
Fair point 👍
Permit me to nerd out a bit, but the reason why Tolkien was able to come up with so many names is because he was a professor of philology, which is studying ancient texts and oral traditions. The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings came about from a combination of stories he told his kids to entertain them and him conceptualizing the entire history behind the Elven languages he wanted to make up. The books were like his side project.
Side project? If he has so much time to make his own languages, and cultures, and places, and about as much history as an alternate earth would have. I don’t think it should be called a “side project”
@@thesnipingseal8011 I think he meant the books story/plot were a side project while the language and lore were his main project. I think it depends how much time and effort he spent with each and what exactly constitutes side project vs just project.
The Raven tru tru
thanks for the info!
@@theraven268 still he made Good story he knew he couldn’t just throw his ideas in he had to weave it into a. Narrative
"He was trying to create new language"..... Dude, Tolkien did not try, he really create a language, and it was more than one...😊
Ash Nazg Durbatûluk
Yup and he created the language before anything else. He made the language and then decided he needed a world to put it in so that's why he created Middle-Earth.
Changes your entire perspective on the book if you realize it's just supposed to be his fantasy tale of Ancient Britain told in a forgotten language. The book is even written in the format of a formal narrator, assumed to be Bilbo / Frodo who originally wrote the manuscripts and were "found" thousands of years later by Tolkien and interpreted.
He created 3 - elvish, orcish and dwarwish, right?
@@Сайтамен sindarin, quenya, kuzdul and blackspeech
"Mr Nodo, Fro" killed me XD
"This stable is in UNACCEPTABLE CONDITION UNACCEPTABLE CONDITION!!!"
-Shadowfax
Faramir and Sam beating Gollum at night was the funniest joke I’ve heard in a while
Lurtz actually bellows "Find the halflings" at the start of the battle at Amon Hen.
Helms Deep is such a good way to show that the good guys can almost lose a major battle, keep the stakes high, and have some important characters die, and drive the plot forward without making the villains looks completely incompetent or ineffective. If only Game of Thrones could have learned from it.
I have long felt that was the strength of Star wars Empire Strikes back.
The bad guys need a win now and then to up the stakes for the heroes.
I feel stakes were better in Hobbit everyone in lotr had plot protection bs
I dunno', those walls and gates conveniently keeping the heroes alive to the ending is some pretty cringe plot armor
*Gandalf fighting Balrog*
Naw he's still spinning with Saruman.
I'm sorry, Saruwho?
Laugh me rear ind uff.
Gandalf got a super Saiyan powerup and won or mayb gear5 based on his hair
In Gandalf's room there's just black scuff-marks all over the floor like that scene in No Country for Old Men
Sam: “He’s led us into a swamp!”
Shrek: *sad onion noises*
Some-!
I love Wolf. Almost more than Rags. Hope he's doin okay, in these trying times.
he's okay, he likes to climb mountains alone to deal with the stress, so if anything, he will probably be the last person to die from infectious disease.
@@dimas3829 I imagine he Broly screams when he's reached the mountaintop to assert dominance.
Not once he's stuck at home due to lockdowns. :x
@@Drathayus
who the fuck obeys lockdowns like that?
@@Neo2266.
law abiding citizens? lol
"I don't understand. How can fire undo ston--"
(external shot of Orthanc exploding violently)
(directed by Peter Jackson, with curb your enthusiasm music overlaid)
These are too perfect, truly the best EFAP content we’ve ever gotten
I dunno batwoman is pretty close
"What happened to OLD Zealand?" 😂
"Oh look, a proper use of cavalry.." 😂
Old Zealand is still there, off the coast of Holland.
Wolf’s laugh is genuinely soul repairing! Hope he’s doing okay
18:50 Mauler predicts "Does it hurt" Kylo Meme.
This also just so happens to be the movie with Shelob in it.
Coincidence? I think not. Shlob told Mauler the truth about the future of EFAP and the memes to come, through mind telekinesis.
This is Alfred'ed.
Shelob is in Return of the King, not Two Towers. In the books, she’s in Two Towers.
Merry: What? You've not heard of Hobbits!
Pippin: We have the best weed around!
Tree Beard: Really, Fantastic, some of my best friends are weeds, how are they?
Merry & Pippin: Fuuuuuuuuuck.
As the Oracle Spiders have loooonnngg foretold, the LOTR videooooes are here. Praise the Don, Kick Jay, Drink the Rhino Milk and wash your hands.
-Bilonius Baggenses
When Gandalf fought the Balrog the animators made this awesome fire simulation to get the flaming whip to behave realistically (remember this was a while ago so sims weren't all that big yet). Anyway they animated the Balrog and the whip looked dope and then they set it alight and bam! The most realistic whip they could get. The Flame went out as soon as the Balrog used the whip. as fire does. So they gave it back to the animators like "Yeah, guys do what you do best. Real life sucks" (paraphrased of course).
Hearing Wolf laugh is the only medication that I need.
Hearing wolf at all is my medication =)
The elves in Helm's Deep have at least three functions; it gives the elves a bit more of a positive light, it functions as a small positive moment (and as payoff for the scene in Fellowship), and it adds another point of separation between this battle and the battle in Return of the King, where humanity is finally facing the enemy all alone and the age of man is truly begun.
It is also Peter Jackson's way of showing the Elves are still in the fight without adding many more characters and scenes to already lengthy films.
Still would've been cool to see Aragorn's workmates instead
0:18 when mauler was talking about the trio with the music it actually fits. Lol
"No one would make a movie about a guy doing taxes"
There's actually an anime about a guy writing a dictionary.
That’s because anime is trash
@@Mythonaut I love anime and I liked that comment.
@@Mythonaut Well thats like, your opinion
@@Mythonaut Says someone who's probably never watched an anime in his life.
@@cartooncritique6625 that's not fair, he probably watched Dragon Ball Z. So he's never watched an anime.
So my understanding of the Kili/Tauriel/Legolas love triangle goes like this:
The Kili/Tauriel romance was planned from the start, and Legolas and Tauriel would just be friends who respected each other’s abilities. Then the studio execs insisted on having it be a love triangle, which both Evangeline Lilly and Orlando Bloom were heavily against. This is why the scenes with Kili and Tauriel are genuinely touching and the actors have chemistry, but the scenes with Legolas and Tauriel are clearly half-asses, like the actors are just going through the motions.
Jack Daone The love triangle didn’t even register for me because the scenes between Tauriel and Legolas weren’t even remotely romantic
It's a shame the studio ruined the Hobbit films production so badly. I don't know if they would have been good as a trilogy without it but had it been given the Lord of the Rings production treatment they definetly would have been more memorable.
WillFanofMany
Thing is, I would have been more than happy with Legolas just kinda being along for the ride, maybe give him a mini-arc detailing his separation from his father beyond “lol, daddy banished muh bird!” like it is in the films. I mean, basically all Legolas does in the Hobbit films is be awesome and having that kickass fight with Bolg at the end of the third movie. Though I did enjoy the aesthetic of him steadily losing his weapons. First, he runs out of arrows, then he gives up Orcrist to Thorin, then he uses up his daggers killing Bolg.
@@12345678900987659101 do you remember how awful the 48 fps was? We saw it opening weekend in 48 + RealD 3D, it was so bad. It was like this hyper-surrealist shit where you see the stitches in the costumes and the fake contact lens colors; it was Warhol instead of Tolkien.
I was so fucking shocked, like how does the couple who made Fellowship make this? Is there that much cocaine that two people can do in ten years? There's no other way to describe it, it was the most shocking experience I've ever had in a movie theater.
Legolas and Tauriel have romantic scenes together? My read of it is that Legolas is Tauriel’s uptight coworker, AT BEST.
"Gandalf, they tried to speak to me. To ME!" -Shadowfax
I was literally out of breath laughing when they talked about Faramir and Sam beating the shit out of gollum while frodo is asleep.
About the Ents. Saruman did know about them. I believe it was mentioned by Treebeard that the wizard used to go into the forest and talk with them, until he found other friends.
Quoth Treebeard: "There was a time when Saruman would walk in these woods... But now he has a mind of metal, and wheels."
You're right, it was mentioned by Treebeard.
@@insulttothehumanrace3807 he has a mind of metal. "I SHED BLOOD OF SAXON MEN, I SHED THE BLOOD OF 4,000 SAXON MEN!"
I know Wolf doesn't like that the elves are at Helm's Deep, and I completely understand why. They didn't really show them affecting the battle enough aside from the opening volleys of arrows and the charge into the wall breach, and Haldir's death of course. Definitely wish it could have been different. That said, I fucking love that scene where they arrive so god damn much. The music is beautiful, seeing badass armored elves next to these grimy human peasants and soldiers, the looks on their faces as they watch the elves march by, it's fucking great, then seeing them lined up on the wall so perfectly. One of my favorite scenes of the movie for sheer awesomeness. Also, the fact that they're completely thrown away (not one of them survived) and they don't even get a mention by anyone after that, THAT does piss me off.
The food supplies Merry & Pippen find was, in fact, Saruman's private stash. Tolkien had a whole backstory for the pipeweed as well. When Gandalf picked up the habit from his Hobbit acquaintances, Saruman ridiculed him, but he also got curious and tried it, and realized he liked it, but was too proud to admit it, so he used backchannel contacts, and acquired pipeweed by stealth and secrecy so he could smoke in private, while still posturing as if he looked down on the whole habit. When the pipeweed was found in Isengard, Gandalf realized the truth and was amused.
The propagandists from Rohan always lie about Saruman. In reality, he gave everyone in Orthanc a job; Orc, Uruk, Dunlendling, he employed them all. Industry really improved due to his economic policies, including redistributing the wealth of the Westfold, creating more jobs in industry and improving the foresting sector of the economy. He made the trains run on time and greatly expanded the Cavern sector beneath Orthanc. He greatly improved defence, expanded the military and made major advances with new advanced methods of producing explosives for the peaceful purpose of remodelling Helms Deep.
Make Isengard Great Again!
MIGA 2020
The Uruk-Hai that blew up the wall of helms deep: “Rohan had its chance!,”
Ent's excuse for not reading: "You wouldn't read a *baby*, would you?"
*Grima kneels by grieving Eowyn*
"Does it hurt?"
Gimli brings such joy to the EFAP crew. So wholesome.
Re: 46:50 The original script had Haldir and his Elves as Arwen's escort and she fights here alongside them. The elves are still in the scenes at Helm's Deep because Arwen's appearance wasn't cut until after they'd already filmed half of it. There are even a few deleted fight scenes with Liv Tyler in them floating around.
_That_ would have been a bridge too far. It was bad enough in _Fellowship._
@TheNthMouse it was fine in Fellowship. Leave it alone 😒
3:52 I'm quite dissapointed that Mauler forgets that without gollum the ring wouldn't have been destroyed, Frodo faulters at the end and Gollums need for the next big high is what ultimately destroyes the ring
That's also why it's important that Aragon spares Grima, who ends up killing Saruman. In that way Grima and Gollum kind of mirror each other.
Looks like weed's back on the menu boys!
Not going to lie but I was looking forward to Dishonored Wolf doing his review of the Lord of the Rings
I wish I could discuss LOTR with him. I have issues with the films and I would love to hear his perspective on said issues.
@@TheShadowOfHumanity
Are they big issues? I'm curious now
@@meris8486 the fact that magic in LotR is fucked is pretty considerable issue. You never know the magic system, wizards limits, what they can do or not do, etc.
Boro B. But i think that just allows for more creative freedom as long as they dont go to overboard with it. I mean the worst thing Gandalf foes in the trilogy is break Saruman’s staff. As long as they dont show him like throwing a bunch of rocks and making earthquakes, then i dont think its to complicated
@@borob.5168 That's a fair complain, but I believe that in the long run it isn't too important to the story itself. It's not like the Force in the Star Wars sequels, where it does whatever they need it to do whenever they need it to do so while being an important part of the plot. In the LotR movies is just a means to an end that is secondary to everything else that is happening.
The only prominent magic creatures we see are Gandalf, Saruman and Sauron. Sauron is actually pretty restricted, since we know all he can do in his state is see where the Ring bearer is whenever they put it on. With Gandalf and Saruman though we hit the wall of the Istari, the Maiar and the Valar. We can't know what they can do without explaining what those are, and that's a lot of information that doesn't affect the story directly (Because yeah, indirectly speaking everything that's happening is happening because of Sauron and Morgoth). There is so much lore you can add in 3 movies before you kill the pacing. While it would have been extremely interesting to know about them, I think it was the better call to leave it vague.
Saruman and Gandalf pushing each other does feel silly though.
Just started playing The Third age a week ago, these videos are hilariously ironic that they keep bringing it up. Wormtongue was in fact a nightmare boss, probably one of the hardest in the game. Elegost was a Dunadain.
35:15 do remember that Legolas walks on top of the snow that the rest of them are wading through on the mountain in the first movie; Legoman doesn't care about our limited view of physics!
Fun Middle Earth fact: for the elves, the world is flat, but for everyone else it's round, that's why only elves can access the undying lands, because it exists outside the curve or something like that...
The narrative tripling in this movie is celestial
at least these are finally out. Mauler giving the people something to watch while most of the world is in quarantine
This episode of EFAP movies was filled with moments of palpable dread, followed by hope. A truly celestial, bone chillingly, epic, experience
Around 45:00, when discussing Haldir and his elfmen, I feel like their solidarity with mortal men, whom they could simply have left behind to to live peacefully forever in the west, says something about honor and sacrifice that's worth having in the movie.
I kind of like that they were willing to lay down their immortal lives to fight alongside men, whose time has come to defeat evil or die trying. Like the final benevolent act of a formerly great culture coming to an end.
Mauler: "What happend to old zeland."
That is one of the mystery boxes of the world. What is inside no one knows.
It's still there, in the southern Netherlands.
So, very minor pitnicks for this very enjoyable experience:
Saruman having the book that tells him about the Ring of Barahir isn't really that convenient. That ring is a proof of lineage for the Gondorian King's bloodline, along with Narsil. Whether a book of important royal lines or a book of important rings (whether rings of power or signets of royal houses), Saruman would definitely have that in his library.
The convenient part is Grima noticing the ring and paying enough attention to it that he could describe it to Saruman later, on which I do agree.
"Red Sunrise = there's been bloodshed" is actually a superstition/idea in some older cultures.
Well, the doorwarden does stop another captain there from attacking the Fellowship. He probably knew Gandalf was bullocking but went along with it because he knew Gandalf was there to help.
(forgot this one) Also, Saruman did know about the Ents. Quoth Treebeard: "There was a time when Saruman would walk in these woods... But he now has a mind of metal, and wheels." So he really should have known better than to anger the Ents.
.. And that's all I've got. Thanks for providing us with such good rat.
For Saruman and the Ents, I see it as another case of Saruman underestimating those he see as inferior, same as how he see hobbits, Radagast, etc
High quality rat, can't go wrong!
33:00
Woman cooks: sextism
Woman can't cook: sextism
Woma-: SEXTISM I SAID !
Schrodinger's woman?
Even worse: The probable reason for her not being able to cook: SHE'S A NOBLE WOMAN. She probably didn't have to cook because Servants did it.
@@undertakernumberone1
Yeah its pretty justifiable why she can't cook
19:40 Wolf seems to know alot of background infos, but he didn't mention the accidental flag ripping here. So just in case: This wasn't planned for initially! The flag literally got ripped off by the wind and they left it in the movie cause they liked the symbolism of the "decaying" state of Rohan.
MrLTD
The flag ripping was not an accident, where it landed was not planned, but the flag ripping off was planned
MrLTD which was the film where in the behind the scenes there’s Peter Jackson saying “um the smoke/snow machine won’t turn off.. we might be in trouble with the police!!”
Or something like that??
Please... please, someday, the three of you get together and go to New Zealand to see all the locations. I'm not demanding it, or to even see photos of that, but the idea of you three getting together to do that is such a wonderful, sweet, heartfelt concept that I truly wish it happens.
This must be said. - those Gimli moments are comedy gold! Beyond best Marvel efforts!
Hearing them complain about S8 of GoT makes me wish that Mauler would just complete his review of the season.
EFAP LoTR part two?! It's like Pandemic Christmas, bless you Don.
Was Grima just sitting in his room listening to his emo bands after he got to Orthanc? How did he not notice the huge army outside?
Just a correction about the chainmail thing: The mail worn by actors is not actually "real" in the sense that it's made of metal links, because that would be heavy as shit and there's no practical reason for an actor to have to wear 20lbs of metal for a costume. What they did was they cut plastic ribbed piping, by hand, into millions of rings which they painted silver and then crimped and bonded as if they were metal mail links. So they did make the actual pieces for the costumes (though I don't think they actually made full shirts for every actor because it would never be seen), but they weren't metal.
Also yes, there was a master swordsmith who was hired by and worked at WETA for the film, and his job was to make "hero" versions of every sword in the movie, which they made real versions of for major shots and reference, and then the prop department made many copies of each for other uses. Most stunt swords that need to actually collide with things are made of aluminum because it's much lighter. I don't know of any rubber prop swords on set, but there might have been some.
Watching even these just reminds me of how my friend, despite being a huge LoTR fan, cannot stand watching the extended cuts of these films cuz "too much of it is pointless, hence their removal." I just cannot understand that mindset w this series
I remember being disappointed that they moved Shelob to RotK, but I guess it gave Frodo and Sam more to do in the final film.
Shelob was moved? I never read the book lol
@@bradenmerriman5206 Shelob was at the very end of The Two Towers novel.
@@Benniator It was in part because the Books aren't perfectly lined up. Shelob in Two Towers is, chronologically, the same time as in the movies. But for the films they'd have had to jump waaaay into the future for Shelob.
Normies: The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
Me, an intellectual: The Lord of the Weed: The Two Bongs
I’ve always found it very fortunate that Gandalf and company riding into Isengard on their horses, managed to miss every one of the underwater chasms they were unknowingly riding their horses near.
Shadowfax had it covered. He was too badass a horse to do something as undignified as stepping into a chasm accidentally.
@@CharlesUrban he didn’t seem the type to prevent the others from doing likewise though. He looked very mischievous .
Gandalf's breakdancing session continues, I see.
35:26 -elves basically have the magical ability to defy physics in these movies. I mean... even in the books, Legolas was walking on top of the snow. :)
Not only in the books, he is walking on top of the snow in the first movie as well, while the rest of the Fellowship is wading through it
I lost my mind @ "Mr. Nodo, Fro"
Man, MauLer really has played all the same LotR games as me. This is weird. And awesome.
Rewatching these EFap reactions to LotR makes me wanna rewatch the entire uncut edition of the trilogy.
"BTW Eowyn, we're gonna weaponize your stew."
later:
"MARCH TO HELMS DEEP! LEAVE NONE ALIVE! DON'T TOUCH THE STEW!"
These are so damn enjoyable THANK YOU. The timing for the release of these is perfection. Now I have to rewatch this movies, I miss them so much.
The fact that they jsut skipped Theoden's mourning scene not acknowledging the beauty of that scene and the acting made me sad for a minute.
58:03
We're all thinking it, MauLer says it. lmao
This is a movie about wizard wizards intended for children.
"The Tree is talking Marry!"
*Ent starts speaking Vietnamese*
Calling an ent a tree is like calling a shepherd a sheep I guess
So Franklin the orc needs to be a meme now
Watching this reminds me how the teenage me had huge crush on Eowyn.
Same. Was 13 at the release of this movie and I had the biggest crush (and boner) for her even though (or because) she was 39 at the time of filming.
@@dancingdroid I admit no lewd thoughts, but yeah. They don't make female characters like her anymore
@@RoutaAskel Anime does regularly. Mikasa Ackerman for example.
@@rindoubaka1574 I assume that is the one from Atttack on Titan? Haven't watched that. I know anime still has some grasp of the fact that strong woman doesn't have to be absolute cunts, though.
@@RoutaAskel Sadly it is only in the devils paintings that generally the women aren't absolute cunts unless it is for a character and are not shoving political BS down our throats. Not saying there is trash in there occasionally * cough* SAO *cough* but they are in a better state than the west. Sadly western media is lost in the horrid swamp of moralfagging of the worst kind and it is seeping everywhere if steps aren't made to stop it.
All jokes aside, I love how they just genuinely enjoy these movies. Like when gimli gets crushed by a dead wart, a dead orc, and another warg steps over the pile, there is no comment just laughs. Like it was intended. It's such a great moment. Laughed along with them.
Warg*
When I saw this in efap movies my heart sank but I decided to give it a chance. So glad I did.
"Looks like meat's back on the- oh hes awake... I mean 'nay'"
Fucking rags. XD
I'm so glad MauLer knows that Faramir's quality was an ability in The Third Age. I'm tempted to re-buy a PS2 so I can actually play that shit for real.
Emulators are a thing :)
Mauler is the Last Ent confirmed
To follow on from you’re unspoiled Joke from the first one
Wouldn’t it be hilarious if in this one it had gone
Orc: “we’ve been eating maggoty bread for three stinking days!!.. we need some meet!! What about them!!!”
Points to the two hobbits
Uruk hai: “they are not to be despoiled!!”
Orc looks utterly shocked
Orc: “dude we wanted to eat them!! Not f*ck them!!!”
While the movie may not outright say it, saying that the archers didn't really do anything is really selling them short. In the movie it's clear that the RIders of Rohan arrive JUST in the knick of time to save the day which means that if Rohan had even one less person defending Helms Deep then it may have been too late, so the addition of a bunch of Elves seems to have been the deciding factor in giving them enough time to hold out.
Also 'it wasn't in the books' on it's own isn't really an argument against something. I know Wolf followed it up with other things but still, Rags and Mauler called it out when people were bashing Homecoming for not being like the Comics so ya gotta stay consistent with that.
yea Tolkien had good character names but lest we forget one of the trees is named treebeard
I give it a pass, all the ents have similar names. I always thought it worked since talking was so slow they would naturally stick to simple compound word names.
Reminds me of old Germanic/Nordic names.
Treebeard/Fangorn has a entish name. He is just the leader and diplomat of the trees (I meant ents but I guess he's the Lorax now, lol), so he speaks westernesse and sindarin. However, he has taken nicknames in the same way that Olórin has the name Mithrandir among elves and Gandalf among men.
By the way, most all of Tolkien's characters have really shit names. It's just in a language we don't know (Fangorn sounds cool, but it's literally just beardtree).
Alex Fahey
Don’t all names suck if there in a language we understand
@@Mythonaut Yeah, lol. Names are objects, like Rose, descriptors, like Scarlett, or actions and positions to aspire to like Alexander (roughly equals defender of men) or Aragorn (meaning revered king). None of them are particularly imaginative - with some extremely lacking in imagination - and probably don't sound very cool to someone who understands the language. However, I bet you that a Japanese person thinks Greg or Carl sounds really badass. The lack of familiarity is what makes them sound cool (no offence intended to the coolness of Gregs and Carls).
His name is Fangorn; Treebeard is just his nickname. Cool thing, how Tolkien has loretism names side by side with normie nicknames.
"I will give you seven bullets"
MauLer: WHY?!
Movie: explains it
I think everyone wanted Grima to get slaughtered, but he had another scene later in the book with Saruman, which is even more confusing because they decided to cut out the whole burning of the Shire bit. Grima was basically an enemy saboteur weakening the country from within, taking advantage of the sovereign ruler's fragile state of mind to wane the country's defense against raids carried out by foreign invaders. He got one of his sons killed, banished the other, and attempted to seduce Theoden's daughter - and laughably, it looked like he almost succeeded before she told him to screw off. The entire time, Grima told Theoden what to do and how to treat his people and visitors, and when Theoden has him by the balls, Grima says that he only ever did what Theoden told *him* to do and that he served Theoden faithfully. Grima should have been a bloody stain on the steps.
Treebeard = The original Long Man of Middle Earth
Speaking of the real swords, I'm pretty sure Viggo volunteered to help make the real weapons in his spare time. He said he wanted to do something to help behind the scenes, and Peter sent him to the forge.
25:10 Say what you want about the original Rankin & Bass animated film, but at least all the dwarves actually LOOKED like dwarves! XD
Gandalf the White is what happens when you're a stoner who smokes a joint after a year long break to get your life in order. He's now both wiser _and_ higher.