EFAP explains why The Falcon and The Winter Soldier sucks
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2024
- EFAP (Every Frame A Pause) did an excellent job at breaking down why this show is awful. This is an edited-down version of that livestream.
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So regarding the "public execution"
There was no other choice. This terrorist, is a SUPER SOLDIER. They do not have HANDCUFFS strong enough to hold him, and even if they did, they would need WAY more restraints than that. They are in a country where they do NOT have authority (Which is the ACTUAL worst thing Walker did, but both Bucky and Sam did that too so it's not a knock against him, it's just dumb writing) and they do NOT have the resources to apprehend ANYONE. If hypothetically they COULD restrain this guy, their only option would be to kidnap him, and then TORTURE him until he spills where the flag smashers are based.
But MOMENTS before this guy picked up a HEAVY stone object and threw it like it was a toy. Surrender is not an option. We've already seen what these guys can do, ONE PUNCH and you're DEAD instantly. This guy shouting he's surrendering is NOTHING but a manipulation tactic, if Walker had gone "Oh he surrendered. I guess I can't kill him now. I've got no way to restrain him, so I'll just leave him here and, honor system? Yeah, honor system."
If he so much as turns around this guy can deliver a super soldier punch to the spine, kill Walker instantly and just run away. Sam and Bucky weren't able to catch ANY of the flag smashers, so they're not nabbing this guy. Even if they DID catch up to him, again, THEY CANNOT RESTRAIN THESE PEOPLE! Like TEN guys in an ELEVATOR weren't able to hold down Captain America!!! Bucky is pretty strong, but he's still just one guy, and they're not exactly in a secure location. What's Bucky gonna do? Just keep him in a full nelson as they transport him MILES away? Again, if he gets ONE ARM free he has a kill opportunity on EVERYONE within his reach.
This man is too dangerous to be allowed to walk away, he has demonstrated he is ACTIVELY trying to kill people, he cannot be restrained, and he has JUST murdered an American Soldier, taking him out is not just the smart move, it's the ONLY correct move. If IRON MAN was around and was there to help it'd be a different story, but he wasn't.
Oh wait, let's talk about that too! What did Iron Man do with the last terrorist HE fought?
He was hiding, I believe, yeah? Yes he was. Iron Man then pulls him through a wall, and what does he do with the now defenseless, unarmed man who is no longer a threat to anyone? Someone who would MOST CERTAINLY surrender, and can be restrained with ordinary handcuffs? What does he do with the man who could be interrogated and expose who knows how many secrets of the ten rings? Does he, restrain him and fly him over to local authorities? Does he call in the US military? Does he set up a makeshift cell while the local government moves in?
Nah. He throws him into the middle of a crowd of people, and flies off while saying clearly "He's all yours".
Iron Man leaves a defenseless, entirely disarmed normal human man to be beaten to death by an angry mob, and nobody is attacking him for it. Which is the CORRECT response, but Walker ALSO made the right decision here, but he's attacked. Why?
Cause he was RECORDED doing it. So these people are advocating that it's OK to execute surrendering people, so long as nobody sees you do it. This is their morality.
Cann't believe there are still people saying that evil music + blood on the shield = Walker bad.
@@mattmark94 Oh there was evil MUSIC?
Oh I didn't realize that. Clearly he must be evil, MUSIC wouldn't lie to me. I mean there's Debussy, Debussy always lies to me, but that's different.
@haku8135 yeah the director uses all tricks in the book to tell the audience that Walker = bad, even if what he did is justified in the context that was presented.
@@mattmark94 Well, the director missed one big trick to tell the audience that Walker was bad. Forgot to actually make Walker bad.
Not to mention, the flag smasher wasn't even surrendering. Saying "It wasn't me!" twice is not "I surrender."
Sam, Bucky, and Walker are all war vets. Bucky fought in one of the worst wars in world history. Sam lost a wingman, similarly to Walker losing Lamar. They should understand the cruelty and brutality of war and what it sometimes takes to stop evil. But, Walker is the only one who understands that. What?!
This comment. Wouldn’t have been amazing if all 3 of them found common ground?
Isaiah Ferguson it'd be realistic
@@rustyAF That's just it. That is what a few half-decently written characters would do.
These aren't even characters at this point, just a strawman and a few talking props that the writers use to beat him into the ground.
Bucky fought in all. The wars actually that boy been around since the 50's
Nah white man bad
Ukraine: "Help us, Russian forces have overwhelmed our defenses, they've taken Kiev!"
Falcon: "Lol, you still believe in borders?"
"Do better, Ukraine. Just do better."
Current President: **Sniffs for gibs.
This aged... "well".
*Sees that this was posted before the invasion*
Well damn
John Walker is the real hero of Falcon & Winter Soldier and you can't change my mind. He *EARNED* Cap's shield whereas Sam didn't. Steve would've been pissed and disappointed at how Sam & Bucky treated John & Lamar. John needed guidance and was willing to work with Sam & Bucky, but they spat on him every chance they got. If the writers wanted me to hate this guy, they failed miserably.
John walker: Marvel’s Rorschach.
He sure had the best character arc. Zemo was cool too.
This show made me dislike Sam so much, and I really liked his character from the movies. They ruined Bucky too.
@@changvasejarik62 basically!
Also, they totally ignored the existing continuity in regards to the characters. Bucky should not care remotely what happened to that shield. Its not "his family"- Steve gave it up once before to save him when Tony wanted to kill him, and before that Steve threw it away during thier fight in the Winter Soldier movie. No to mention he was literally *there* when Steve first got the thing, so understood better than anyone that it was just a tool.
John Walker: “Wingman”
Sam: *triggered*
Meanwhile back in Avengers 1
Tony: “Everything special about you came from a bottle.”
Steve: *Willing to work with Tony to save the world despite their differences*
That’s why Steve will always be the only Captain America.
John is in the running, as he actively helps te two dudes who actively shit on him for days.
Captain America: Civil War
Sam: His name is Redwing. He’s cute. Pet him
*Cuts to Steve the middle of fighting Cross Bones*
@@jonsimpson6240 a year out but, this, exactly this. Sam and even Bucky both got character assasinated and are now petty children dealing with their own feuds while walker is actually trying to do good, or at least what he thinks is good, (that's a whole other debate but it's not relevant character wise) irrelevant of personal squables. Y'know, kinda fucking like how cap gave tony a flip phone he could use to contact him, despite them still not talking with eachother?
My theory is the actor just had the reaction because he’s a fan of top gun and really wanted the guy from the X-men to call him that.
Yeah they both won't worked together if Hawkeye didn't attack the helicarrier and Coulson didn't die.
I swear, I’m convinced they ACCIDENTALLY made Walker a good character with a meaningful arc.
They absolutely did, they tried writing him as a character that was meant to be hated but indirectly made him a good character
Absolutelly. The people who write this shows are in the majority subversive socialists. The traditional hero is a villain to them. That's the fucked up part, you are not supposed to hate Walker because of his actions, you are supposed to hate him for what he is. He is a working class, white American who joined the army. For a show who wants to discuss racism, this is hopocritical at best and says a lot about what they think of the real Cap.
The same could be said of Ironwood in RWBY.
It’s the Karate Kid effect. Make the antagonist the real good guy
it's seth rogan's santa all over again. i'm sensing a trend here where agenda driven stories frame good men as the antagonists
What gets me is that they introduce Walker by saying he won *three* medals of honor. That is fucking amazing, and marks him as an absolute hero. That's the US Military's highest award. That Falcon is all 'fuck this guy' is so bizarre.
The writers probably see that as a badge of shame
And Falcon is a fellow veteran and ran a veterans group as seen in Winter Soldier, which makes it all that worse he’d tread another vet like that, and then his friend is killed in combat and then he fights him lol. Falcon definitely helped people who lost their partner in his group, and he also lost his partner. It’s bizarre.
Only reason they may decide to write that is because the company didn’t want to get on the military’s bad side. Like the US military did some awful shit same as the airforce and navy and the Government running them as well. You could definitely play with this in story writing and show the audience why Walker might be bad (because he is under the thumb of a villainous force) but they refuse to go all the way and just made this half arsed plot that also ruins Falcon’s character
@@scythewise Walker does, but we shouldn't.
Bad writing
Wait wait, this guy lost his partner in front of him and had his image smeared so that he felt like he had failed as Captain America? He laid there in a heap just coping/grieving for a little bit, then got up, said "Time to go to work." Then did so? Greatest character in the MCU!
John walker is amazing. Poor guy did not get the treatment He deserved
HELL, YES!
Give me a show about him
@@Xxgxxaxx I second that motion!
@@Wolffman109 🤝
This is a great edit, man. It showcases their main points and it is shorter than the actual video so it can be used as reference for others. Good on you, man.
Thanks for the edit. Shows how much filler they create in their “break downs”.
Good for them though. Sure increases those super chats that they read in another episode and out of context.
@@FloPm3ister I'm sure you do better on your channel oh wait...
@@FloPm3ister I mean it's a podcast, they tend to be unfiltered, unscripted, and unpolished. More like shooting the shit with your mates than really doing a critical media analysis
@@FloPm3ister I feel like you've misunderstood what the product they create is.
It took me give four days to watch the entire Mooler video😂.
57:00 a 'wingman' is literally the highest level of trust you can put another person in, in this context. They are an equal you count on to cover your blind spots and back you up in the heat of the moment, and you do the same. It is not a sidekick. In the context of Walker and Sam, hes asking him to be his teacher in fact, and help him hold up the legacy he has been tasked to uphold. He didnt audition to be Captain America, he was selected due to his qualifications and ordered to do it.
These double standards... 👎
Just like Top Gun: "You can be my wingman any day" or something. Whereas here, it's just like, "Oh."
"Alright Captain America, you gotta help us, man. How we gonna fix the displaced people?"
"Do better."
Shit's hilarious
Yes, let’s solve the problem right here tonight
Sam worked with veterans struggling with PTSD and other issues when we first met him in Winter Soldier. Imagine him leaning into that role more in this show, especially if he'd done that for Walker after Lemar died.
Consider that first sentence with how he treats, not just Walker, but Bucky.
Imagine Walker becomes a villain in a way that is more realistic and earned while Sam tries to be a therapist to BOTH Walker and Bucky. Imagine that kind of dynamic between the heroes and the villain.
@@TheSlammurai But nope, they had to confine Sam to be an oppressed black man. Can't show him actually being successful in any way due to his own efforts, because that's just crazy. 🙄
Would have totally preferred that over the race stuff they were trying to push
It's disgusting how he even treated a fucking murderer like Karli with more respect than Sam who tried his best to stop her. Even Zemo, a supposed villain was useful. Yet Sam doesn't even want to fight her, that pussy.
All because of this racism bullshit.
What's funny about SJW shows like this is that the "bad guys" are either cartoonishly obnoxious sexists or people with common sense demonized for no reason, and thankfully Walker's on the 2nd category
It's quite telling that SJW's write genuinely good, sensible people as "Mounters." Gives you an insight into their twisted sense of morality.
Can you tell me other characters who fall in second category?
@@swapniljoshi2939 Poe from TLJ
And the biggest irony: Walker is THE LEAST racist character in a show about racism with a lot of racists 😂😂😂😂😂
@@swapniljoshi2939 Ironwood from RWBY
Jacob Kane from Batwoman
Only in EFAP can you shorten their video and still get over four hours.
Great work! The Don smiles upon thee!
this is the shortened video
@@Moompl that's what he said. Are you high?
You don't gotta do better, editor.
This is exactly what I needed, I didn't wanna watch all the efaps on TFatWS, thank you for this!
This is the only show I’ve ever seen where the writing is so bad they accidentally made the villain too good of a human being to be considered a villain, but the characters still treat him like a villain
Robyn Hood is coming for that title, believe you me.
@@haku8135 Ha discount Richard Branson drinking his booze trying to get the head of the police lady to twerk with him ahahaha. Perfection. I hope EFAP gets to that. Richard Branson wishes he was that guy.
He wasn’t the villain. And no I’m not saying that the way folks in the comments are. He’s literally not the villain/antagonist of the show.
Sam: being an oppressed minority.
Also Sam: having a deep connection with Wakandan monarchy that they sent a multibillion dollar suit for him unconditionally.
John: being a privileged white supremacist asshole.
Also John: having to craft his own shield because he got nobody’s support and he did it with his broken arm.
John was actually pretty cool but they just had to make him evil
@@code6843 they failed at even doing that, John was a good man the entire season.
Being a white supremacist asshole yet his best friend happens to be black... yep that works
If John was a white supremacist, he wouldn't be best friends with Lemar Hoskins.
@@Wolffman109 EXACTLY 👌
They took two likeable men and made them into assholes. Sam was a good man who cared for veterans with PTSD. He took Cap and Nat into his home, at great personal risk, because it was RIGHT. He volunteered to help Cap because he believed in him. Cap trusted him with the shield. WHY MAKE HIM AN ASSHOLE?!
Lamar: *dies from a single punch from a Super Soldier because he's a normal human being*
Black Widow in her own movie:
She took a backhand from Hulk, a bodyslam from titanium Ultron, was choked and tossed by Bucky's concrete crushing and Captain America overpowering original arm, tanked a grenade explosion close range, got shot in the chest with an assault rifle, shot through the stomach in a flashback, got thrown by Scarlet Witch's TK, yeah she's been surviving such stuff for very long.
My favorite part of the whole show was when Zeemo shot Karli in the stomach. I audibly roar "YES" in triumph and raised my fist into the air. Most of everything else felt cheap and manipulative.
Zeemo does the world a great service
@@randomperson-up5vt
Zemo & John Walker were the best characters of this shit show.
@@thatonea-hole I'd rewatch the show just to see those 2 again tbh. On a pirated site of course lmao
@@OfficialEdwardNewgate No need. UA-cam's here for ya.
Should have gone for the head
Bucky Barnes, one of 2 people who fought both Thanos and hitler, has never fought for anything bigger than himself
In my opinion, Walker and Zemo were the best parts of this show. I always liked Sam ever since The Winter Soldier but this show really kind of ruined his character for me with the writing and lots of his comments his characters say. Bucky was treated as more of a side character then an actual main character. Carli was a pathetic villian and yes, THEY WERE TERRORISTS. Sharon's flip flop thing is so weird and was handled poorly. Also wasn't a fan of all the racial stuff they tried to push in the show. Lets say Sam took up the Cap mantle at the begging of the show but recieved backlash because he was a black Captain America, but they don't do that. There is no evidence that anyone would dislike Sam as Captain America because he is a black man.
If anything it's the opposite, right? Like with that old guy going "no, that's Captain America." (for some reason)
@@HerohammerStudios What's the opposite?
@@jeffsoltess4853 "there is no evidence that anyone would dislike Sam as Captain America because he is a black man".
It seems moreso that people adore him, which just muddles it all the more
Walker is poorly written from the standpoint the writers wanted him to be villainous but completely failed to do so. I wouldn't be surprised if they retconed his actions in this show or he's eating babies the next time we see him.
Reminds me of Alan Moore writing Watchmen's Rorschach. Dude thought he was a filthy hobo, and is disgusted when people identify with him.
Its amazing how people can make great icons without realizing how good they are.
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@@denkerbosu3551 I love seeing lefty writers make "villain" characters that the audience ends up loving
@@denkerbosu3551 I mean, Rorschach is a terrible person and Moore is right to consider him a bad guy. If anything, it shows how impressive he is as a writer that he created a character with so many traits he despises and still made sure to make them a nuanced, human character that can sort of be understood.
Thank god Karli is written so terribly to be a baby eating monster who can't be wrong or lose that it's just so unbelievable that John Walker is even better in comparison.
"You know what's really sad about my son? I don't know how he died."
*"I threw a knife into his chest. Now you know."*
Technically, it was a bullet, but cute wordplay.
2:41:05 reminds me of that knife attack in the London Bridge a few years ago, some guy starts knifing people out of nowhere in broad daylight on the bridge, hurts and kills many, the bystanders all tackle and subdue him, then the police arrive armed with rifles, tell everyone to move, and gun this dude down, 2 to the chest 1 to the head straight up in front of everyone, phone cameras rolling, and was everyone appalled? Aghast?
No, they APPLAUDED. It was 'good job everyone' all around.
You got a article link ???
So he was subdued but they still gunned him down? Shit that just seems like a waste of ammo to me. No wonder London sucks so much.
@@drstrangelove307 waste of ammo is better than a waste of taxpayer money.
@@GhostLink92 fair point I suppose.
@@drstrangelove307 from what I've read he had a fake ied vest on. Maybe they thought he could activate it I guess.
Sam: Calls Riley a wingman
Audience: 👍
John: Calls Sam and Bucky wingmen
Idiots: 😨
Not to mention cap in "the first avenger" is a ww2 soldier and is shown advancing with other soldiers firing his gun. Do people think that those bullets hit nothing?
They were all warning shots :p
Everyone forgets that steve threw a man through a propeller too
@@RedMaskNeedle I'm surprised people don't point this one out more often
and he threw people out of a plane, and we saw the bodies of the people he shot, and we even got a headshot cam from when carter shot someone trying to steal the serum, etc.
War is different from unsanctioned execution
The EFAP community has a level of talent that trumps every other community I’ve seen. Amazing edit as always, my dude!
The EFAP community actually has common sense. Which isnt something that's easily found anymore.
If talent for beyond stupidity I agree - very dumb how could one smash a flag
Right smashing it will not ALSO tear it??? --- dumb dumb dumb
@@kossettereaditte7552 That is true.
The show is enjoyable at solely a surface level. But when you look into it, there's a lot of issues. From the poorly written antagonists (they had potential as complex anti-heroes but then they bombed a building with innocent people in it...) and then the way that Bucky and Sam treat Walker right away without giving him a chance is just insane. Dude literally has THREE MEDAL OF HONORS. He worked his ass off and was given the role of captain america by the government but then Sam and Bucky decide to hate on him right away. That's not what Steve would have wanted...
I don't know I was turned off by the premise, I don't like super soldiers being every where and then the whole captain america can't be black is stupid, if he earned the shield he's captain america but in the end walker seems like he deserved it more
@@michaelreyes9283 agreed
@@michaelreyes9283 The race of Captain America is entirely irrelevant; the problem is Steve is a super soldier and Sam is just some guy. Highly skilled and experienced, apparently, but he lacks the strength, endurance, and speed to fill the role. If he tries to block or tank a hit from somebody like Thor or Thanos, he's just dead. There goes Cap.
@@DarkEcho119 oh I know, but the show made it about that
@@DarkEcho119 Not to mention that the shield does not complement his skillset at all. He has guns and rockets, so why throw it? How can he even throw the hunk of metal with the same strength and dexterity as a supersoldier who trained with it for years? He can't brace against anything when in the sky in order to throw or block, either. He shouldn't even be blocking, given his maneuverability, but even then his wings can already be used for that.
And that's not even getting into the problem with "legacy" characters in general…
Even with the super soldier serum, how are the flag smashers hanging in fights with people as trained as bucky, falcon and john walker? Just the skill difference between bucky and them should make these easy fights .
Anytime i think about this i just think back to captain america and spider man fighting and by the logic of this show spider man should have beaten captain america despite his years of combat experience and tactical mind.
Plus winter soldier is a super soldier too I thought
Yep. By all rights bucky should be wiping the floor with any individual flag smasher and should only have issues dealing with 3-4 at once.
@@rulerofthesaints999 And Bucky would DESTROY even a group of SIX if he just has a fucking GUN.
These are just regular ass people, and they may be strong, but they're not fucking bullet proof.
Bucky is easily the most accomplished and feared assassin in human history in this universe, and has ONLY ever had trouble with combatants with LOTS of experience, skill, and equal or superior powers/tech in the case of Tony, and tech he REALLY knows how to use.
And Bucky is more than skilled enough to take these guys down without killing them.
I never watched Falcon and the Winter soldier, but all I'm getting from this video is that John Walker is a fucking champ. Hell, he actually sounds, at least potentially, more awesome than Steve Rogers Cap. Fringy was right when he said that no one has one 3 Medals of Honor. Getting one is automatic hero status. Those that have received two are legends in the US military and especially their given branches. To win 3?! That would make you effectively as badass as Captain America, at least until Avengers stuff started happening. So yeah, why was this hero routinely shat on? He sounds like the kind of dude who you would honored to shake hands with, let alone work with.
The show tells you that he's a piece of shit, but then shows you that he's an amazing human being. Inversely the show tells you that falcon and bucky are really good guys and good friends, but shows you that they're pieces of shit that don't like eachother.
@@pezdispencer113 That's what we call "really bad writing".
Eh I wouldn’t call him better than cap, but it’s odd how much the show portrays him as a villain despite the fact that he has some extreme mental trauma/issues that are fucking him over.
Also his best friend died..so uh..could explain the whole rash decisions.
@@shinji2898 what they did to cap at the end of Endgame damages his character a ton. He literally just gives up on everyone, puts his needs ahead of the people, fucks with the timeline but also let's really horrific events still occur. If he was getting old then it might make sense, but he's very much in his prime when he decides to throw the towel in.
It felt like the show was trying to show that Walker wasn't a good choice for being Captain America. The issue is that they almost paint him as a bad guy and try to get us to believe that Sam would be better, you know the guy who gave up the shield because he didn't think the world was ready for a black Captain America. Ridiculous is what it was.
Falcon not being able to get a loan really shows that his sister credit is so bad that not even an avenger can help her. 😂……. His sister needs to take some financial classes😂😂😂😂
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Like deadass what did she do in the past 5 years? How you that broke?
@@ExeErdna and Tony would be giving giving her and other Avengers family members millions a month at least for compensation for being snapped out of existence
Imagine being so terrible at money that a bank won't touch you, even if you are blood related to a person who helped save the entire known universe
@@tylerghersinich576 i like to think tony told sam all that bs about getting charity from people to pay for their livelyhoods simply because he didnt like him but paid salary to every other avenger
The fix here is so simple.
Just say that all of Falcon's assets were seized by the government after he went rouge with Cap, and then after he got dusted, all of his money and titles went into limbo and it's a massive cluster fuck. That way, you can explain that the reason Falcon is doing contract work for the government at the show's start is that it's part of a deal to regain his assets and his life, but that also means that the U.S. government (and by extension, General Ross) has him and Bucky by the balls. So, even though Sam and Bucky are recognized as "Free Agents," they are still basically covert ops for the government, just like how Cap was for Shield in the beginning of "Winter Soldier."
If that were the case, then as Bucky and Sam could be operating under the radar doing the more shady stuff for Ross, there's a new state-sponsored Captain America that's doing all the "glory missions" to increase public appeal, but he's just another pawn of the government in a bid for power over the post-Endgame political climate of the world.
There's so much interesting stuff you can do with the concept, but Disney did nothing cus we have to have an episode where they fix a boat.
These shows are written by kindergardeners.
After Captain America: Civil War, there is no way in HELL that Sam and Bucky would EVER work for Ross. The man is fanatically prejudiced against superheroes, remember?
@@Wolffman109 He's not "prejudiced" against them, he just has a vested interest in keeping them under control because of all the destruction they cause.
Which, he's right btw, because in all the marvel movies, the protagonists are the always the cause of the film's conflict.
@@Bioguy5 What about Loki?
@@Wolffman109 Which time?
@@Bioguy5 You're absolutely right. However, Ross is also a massive hypocrite, being responsible for both Hulk and Abomination, yet he has no oversight nor repercussions for either.
I honestly feel like this show set the record for number of character assassinations.
1. Sam Wilson
2. Bucky Barnes
3. Sharon Carter
4. Steve Rogers
Anyone else I'm missing?
Zemo in Civil War: Hates The Avengers and Tears them Apart
Zemo in Falcon and Winter Soldier: Praises Captain America
Zemo kind of forgot that he hated the Avengers…
He said no one is like Steve Rogers. He’s simply state an exception to the rule is not the standard to the rule. Doesn’t mean he wants to kiss Steve
MARVEL unironically gave Walker the Protagonist status.
Jhon Walker is basically Naofumi Iwatani on this show. He is the hero with the shield who is being hated for practically no reason and has no right to say a word when he stands for a trial.
Ohh. Glad you guys know raising of the shield hero. It would be cool if they make similar spin on Walker and make him badass in S2
@@issackriss8496
I personally prefer 2 fanfiction stories that I know over the anime:
Hope of The Shield Hero.
Killing Strangers.
Only John Walker is actually a good person and Naofumi is a shit bag that has child slaves, claims all the credit he can while extorting people in need, tells everyone that they are idiots for not knowing shit that would be perfectly reasonable not to know and things he himself does all the time, and claims he actually works harder or understands his powers more then the other heros when he is basically given all of his most busted powers for crying on the floor for five minutes or at complete random when the plot needs him to get a power boost.
The biggest difference between these two is that John Walker gets shit on and comes out as the better man then anyone in the show and doesn't hold it against anyone, Naofumi gets shit on and decides to just be a shit bag instead of trying to prove anyone wrong otherwise.
@@rikowolfin4984
Nafumi does work harder than the other heroes to make any achievements, he treats the world he is in like a real world instead of a video game, and he treats his slaves (which he had no choice buying) as if they were his family.
While I agree that John is a better person, I have to point out that he is an adult and experienced man, while Nafumi is a young adult who was thrown into a kingdom that hates him for existing and was framed for the worst crime in said country in less than a week in that world. Of course the latter will be bitter and have a hard time trusting people.
@@AmitCinematicUniverse Oh I'm not saying Naofumi can't be bitter or anything, I'm just saying that comparing him to John Walker, an actual good person, ends at both of them using shields and everyone hating them.
As for the slaves thing, yaaaa no, while it was fine at first for him to buy the slaves to defend himself since he couldn't really fight things, that line of thinking ends when A) If he thinks of them as family then he shouldn't be branding their tits with magic slave tattoos that can and will kill them and B) He quickly becomes literally the strongest hero because of plot handing him OP powers for no reason making his 'hard work' meaningless as well, also turns his slaves actually more worthless in a fight as they aren't even near his level of power anymore and he has to constantly defend them or accidentally hurts them himself mid-combat with his OP powers.
It was kinda hard to be on his side when the kingdom decided to free slaves, like ya that was purely to fuck with him specifically but like... that's still freeing slaves? His child solider he bought was clearly loyal to him at that point and proved it even after the slave branding was removed, so reapplying it just makes him seem like he is actually still just an untrusting ass hole.
"flaggots" got me good
Yeah, that was hilarious
Flagbearers FlagTEARERS was a good one
Even calling those bastards that would be a generous understatement.
5:14 is the time stamp
Isn't like the most iconic shot out of the first Captain America movie, him bursting though the door while shoting a gun in slow mo ? Steve doesn't kill right
Yeah that shot is so cool. I love the colorfulness of that first suit. By that I mean the last suit of The First Avenger. It's my second favorite Cap suit other than the comics rounf scales suit like in the Winter Soldier first appearance comic with the many colors like lightblue, cyan and bright Avengers 2012 blue and Civil War comic grayblue.
Sorry I went on a tangent. You're right.
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 no problem 😂
Oh well, im sure there were no fatalities from these shots.
@@Warhammer_lover they were all warning shots. /s
95% of this show is trying to justify Carlie actions to make her a hero not a villian.... without her changing her ways
I was like “wow this is like a mauler length video”
Hears maulers voice right away
“Ahh that makes sense”
Didn’t see efap edition in title
I did not finish this series, nor do I plan on it. I feel like they really minimized Bucky’s PTSD from being the Winter Soldier and his completely valid concerns over being worthy of Steve’s friendship (all for the sake of that dumb staring contest “joke”). Plus, I just could not take Carly (not even an alias, really?!) seriously as a villain. She looked as if she was about to burst into tears in every scene. So glad I decided not to waste my time with this crap.
You made the right choice, my friend.
they should've framed Walker as killing some of the people who were working WITH the flag smashers. The people who were whining that they need teachers. If Walker lost track of the Smashers, so he went back to them, forcibly interrogated them, maybe killed them, THEN we'd understand FATWS's reactions to him
I guess, that's bit better.
1:00:54 This scene is all about addressing those viewers still holding onto the old-school MLK mindset. Ya know, "Don't judge me by the color of my skin, but by the content of my character." That... kinda flies in the face of Current Year "anti-racism" sentiments. So they have to sort of try and create this avenue between the still very large "Colorblindness is the correct answer to racism," crowd and the "No, no! Literally everything is about race!" crowd, without actually committing the cardinal sin of openly denouncing the MLK world-view in the process. They're trying (and failing) to make it seem like the two world-views don't straight up contradict each other.
Well said
Steve and his shield were in an icy tomb during Isaiah’s tenure, so how does “the shield” have a complicated history and how is it all Steve’s fault?
Maaaan, exactly what we need.
Thank you for editing this.
Ironically, they tried too hard to make John Walker detestable, that they failed and made him sympathetic. Meanwhile, they tried too hard to make Karli and the Flagsmashers sympathetic, that they failed and made them detestable.
Which really makes one wonder what the hell is their moral compass for all of his actions to be a "terrible" human being
3:01:55 Bucky is very strong and capable without his arm. He is not Doc Ock who is wholly reliant on his appendages. The writers seem to think that disabling Bucky's arm also disables him. Not the case!
Yeah I thought that winter soldier also got super soldier upgrades???
@@beo3627 The writers kinda forgot about the serum.
You know it's the long when the cut version is still over 4 hours. Thanks for making this
One of my favorite (and by favorite I mean most frustrating) scenes is the one with Walker talking to Lemar’s family. After he tells them that he took care of the person responsible, there’s like ominous music playing and Lemar’s sister (?) is looking at him with disapproval. I’m sitting there like “well what was he supposed to say?” Oh no this guy wasn’t directly responsible, the person who dealt the killing blow got away. Like yeah that’s gonna make his family feel better, at least he’d be honest.
U.S AGENT, MY BOY WALKER, the hero we need
Its so cathartic to hear others saw john walker as basiclly steve rogers 2.0
But the show hated him for some reason
Because the story was “Walker falls, so Wilson can rise”. But they didn’t know how to do that right, lol
John Walker is the Chad that battles the orcs who bear the red hand of Karliman.
XD
In addition he goes “off the books” to possibly protect Falcon and Bucky’s records lol.
“I’m not gonna fight you” is exactly what cap said to Bucky when he was still the Winter Soldier. Unfortunately, Sam does not have this sort of connection to iCarly and so it’s even more disappointing when he says that to her. He should have just killed her.
"They would never let a black man be Captain America."
I'm sorry. Did we not fairly recently have a two-term black president?
And Rhodey was presented as the Iron Patriot in CA colors in Iron Man 3 by the President lol.
@@darthdragonborn1552 I guess that would be more relevant, since we don't actually know that there's ever been a black president in the MCU. But the messaging is so stupid. Why is society regressing? Please make it stop.
@@alexhayden219 Canonically Obama did serve as President in the MCU. He just only had one term since by the time Iron man 3 happens it's some other guy instead of Obama for his second term. Regardless yeah a Black President kinda destroys the racial bs
@@Brown_Vante Did he, canonically? I don't remember, now. When was it mentioned? I think there's plenty to make it a dumb position to hold, already, but if my initial statement is even half true, then, yeah. Dead argument.
@@alexhayden219 it’s mentioned in Luke Cage, which is whatever, but the most noticeable ref to him was in Iron man 2 with a Tony stark poster using the Obama ‘Hope’ thing. It’s just one of those accepted facts about the MCU history since it plays out in a universe that’s a copy of ours
On the "Captain America never kills anyone": in the first movie he literally uses a gun and throws a hydra agent into an airplane propeller in the final showdown.
I like the head canon that Walker is canonically the Don’s brother and that’s why he’s cursed to be bullied by superheroes for being morally good
This
Who is Don?
@@swapniljoshi2939 A Great Man
Don Walker and John Walker, they walk their roads alone
@@swapniljoshi2939In Captain Marvel 1 movie, hes the biker dude who got shit on by Captain Marvel (and the mindless disnoids) for just asking her to smile.
So he became the quintessential nice *guy* who get fucked over by the plot just for being nice as a useless pandering to feminist independent 'dont need no man' type women
The Book of Vishanti knew that the chair summoning spell was the only way Batroc was going to be able to deflect the shield, so it magically spawned a chair for him.
I have no idea on this topic, and I'm not invested enough to do a deep dive in research, but the whole narrative that Sam Wilson is broke and can't get a bank loan is ridiculous to me. Maybe if the Accords still mattered and he was still an outlaw, but he's not. So, I did the most basic research I could do and did a google search for military contractors and private armies. Because that's what he is. He's not on active duty, but is an independent contractor helping out the military on missions as The Falcon. From that very base level search, it appears that the pay scale is a pretty wide range (obviously), based on what you're doing, what you negotiate, what your skills are, how rare your skills are, etc. What I came up with is a median of $100k per year. Sam is not a median person. He's The Falcon. He's an Avenger. He's not an analyst or anything that is on the sidelines. He's earning hazard pay. He's got highly specialized, one of a kind skillsets and equipment. I have no clue what is reasonable to allow him to be making, but he's making bank. He's not broke.
And that's just from the contractor perspective.
Now, I think it's absolute bullshit that Stark left the Avengers or their left behind families out to dry, but that's what the show says, so... fine.
He's still The Falcon and an Avenger. He may be refusing them, but there's plenty of avenues for revenue that would be outright thrown at him without him having to do any physical labor ever again. Books, signings, talk shows, celebrity appearances, seminars, guest speeches. The sky's the limit.
But he's broke and his sister is broke and they're losing their neglected boat, because he's black.
I like to think that tony did bankroll all the avengers except they told sam this bs about it being all via charity because tony didnt like him specifically
@@ConnorNotyerbidness why would Tony hate Sam?
@@swapniljoshi2939 Because it's funny.
Clarification: It's funny to think about. But it would be thoughtless, character damaging humor to actually mention in the story.
@@swapniljoshi2939 because Sam IS kind of an ass
Every scene with another person who isnt steve he treats them like crap
"Can you move your seat up?"
"No"
Whenever someone said Black Falcon in this show, it reminded me of the Black Ranger skit from Key&Peele.
Just imagine how powerful it would have been if Bucky became cap. His best friend, who saved him, defended him and believed in him. Did it one last time and Passed the mantle to his comic book side kick. A white wolf film that ends with him clearing his mind so he can take up the shield in honour of Steve would have been amazing. Or a series and season 2 could be cap and the falcon. So you can built that relationship and have it mean more when its passed to falcon.
But of course we can't get that 🤣
I couldn't agree more. Bucky should've gotten the shield, hands down.
They could’ve spent his entire run as Cap as him day in and out proving that he’s in control, and not the winter soldier. That he’s willing to put in the work to become a symbol for the people. But ehh black man’s got problems yadamean cuh? Like shit foreal iz hard out hur.
@@jaimeruiz7837 I don't understand your last two sentences, but I agree with you nonetheless.
@@Wolffman109 hahaha thats the point
@@jaimeruiz7837 I've been in the ghetto too long considering I understood the last part
With how Falcon and Bucky where portrayed in this show, I can totally picture them watching Walker run after the bad guy and saying to each other "let's wait for him to fuck up so we can justify stealing his shield"
I really really really wanna do videos with these guys to blow off steam because I have no one to talk to about how much marvel is disappointing me recently and how crap this show really was
You could join the EFAP discord server.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 where?
@@themimsy I'm not entirely sure, but you have to download Discord first.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 I have it. I’m in MauLer’s discord. Is there another one for EFAP or is it the same one?
@@themimsy I think it might be the same one.
It’s baffling when Falcon is more evil than Sharon/Power Broker herself
That's this show in a nutshell, regrettably.
“BirdElopeWithTheSun…he is the hero we deserve.” Commissioner Gordo Baggins
"The Flag Smashers" reminds me of a group of kids at the school I was practicing. One day they came with black leather jackets and one of them proudly presented the gang as "the Black Boys". They were 8 and pale as snow.
Personally I don't mind sitting through an eleven hour stream. I find it very soothing and I'll only pause it every now and then. However, this is a great edit! NICE!
Walker did nothing wrong. I stand with Walker! He is The Don of phase 4 or whatever number this was in.
This show is literally the definition of the phrase, "whatever the plot wants". 🤬
Funny thing is, in endgame, and at the start of series, Sam didnt take shield, because he thought that he didnt deserve it like Steve. But through the show, and almost in the end, he was thinking, that didnt want shield because he is black. Yeah. Pretty stupid
26:48 This was so unclear in the show. I thought Bucky was just friends with this nice old man, and then when he saw the photo he was taken aback by the reality. No, he knew the whole time, and the photo made him feel extra guilty?
Every efap response to a video should just be “you’ve got to do better senator”
Truly peak fiction
I'm glad I get to enjoy this in this masterful cut. Thanks.
TBH, everyone except Walker his girlfriend, and Lamar.... every notable character - jerks
falcon and winter soldier - jerks
falcon's sister - jerk
the cops - jerks
the banks/us government - jerk
the psychotherapist - jerk
license
Don't forget the Dora Milaje.
Wanda, Falcon and Bucky got done so dirty I swear
And Loki
Dr.strange, Thor and Antman too
I see a bit of a logical fallacy in the complaints about Bucky attacking a senator in her car. Because as was stated Bucky helped that Politician get into her position of power through some act. If that is true that means in order for her to get access to the Winter Solider to most likely kill someone on her behalf that means she would have had to request it from a foreign power. I would think being implicated in being the cause of a super soldier closely tied to another country/Hydra (Which in the movie cannon was a branch of the Nazi army) would be pretty fucking damning. So when the cops walk up and ask her what happened why would any person with half a brain sell implicate themselves by saying "the Winter Soldier did it and said he isn't that anymore"?!?!? That would just generate more questions. (Them not going after him is also a huge ass problem though... like wtf) Talk about career suicide. The moment she let's that out she basically admits to being in someone's pockets. If Bucky actually wanted to fuck her over he would go public to a newspaper or some shit and just spill the beans to them about all the different assassination attempts he made on whose behalf including hers.
So... either way bad writing but the argument of why didn't the senator say anything there is flawed. Unless... all the stuff about her going through the media wringer about being corrupt as shit happened off camera. So yeah... actually very bad writing. I would have much preferred him taking like two episodes to make a big statement on T.V. exposing all the crimes he committed and someone trying to assassinate him during it filming live.... That'd be sick.... Suck my ass Disney. Get some good writers in here.
I feel on some lvl if cap saw all this and how falcon got the shield from Walker, he'd probably take it (possibly give it to walker or Bucky- casue he's his friend) and tell Falcon that he isn't worthy.
I have to imagine Cap would've felt pretty insulted that Facon gave up the shield after Cap specifically entrusted it to him, and then only wanted it back because someone else took up the mantle instead, like Falcon was a petty spoiled brat fighting over a toy.
A man can dream.
Man Thanos would probably be regretting snapping half the population after seeing this mess.
He'd probably see it as more of a reason that he was right
He'd regret only doing half instead of going all the way lol
On the history of black superheroes to be fair not a lot of people saw iron Man 3 wasn't that great I didn't mind it but apparently it's not one of the more popular movies so I can understand people forgot about iron Patriot.
Something that's fascinating to me though that people seem to forget about that they were black superheroes before Falcon is
BLACK PANTHER!!!
You know that guy that has been a mantle passed down through generations and also that Sam knowse first hand because he is done a lot of stuff with him.
They're mostly talking about the writers forgetting about it, or not even knowing it in the first place. Iron Man 3 did make $1.3 billion though, and has a 7.1 on IMDB. It was pretty popular, for a while at least.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 yeah the writers certainly don't want you to remember it. Iron Man's my favorite of the bunch so I like the movie but yeah definitely has issues but not because of iron Man he's the best thing in that movie but that's besides the point.
But I think yeah that's the thing that you're saying is that it's popular when it comes out but it's like they almost want you to forget that it happens because time keeps moving forward unless you're a die-hard that watches them all in order.
But yeah I just love that line like they say it's so stupid that Falcon would know several black superheroes before this show so that line makes no sense.
I remembered that the show convinced me to hate Walker. I just believed in the writers, and that he was a bad man. Upon watching the EFAP I realized how the show made a fool of me so easily. I am ashamed. Im just glad EFAP exists to show me the objective point of view.
Same here, except I didn't enjoy the show and it was a chore to get through with how many things felt off.
2:19:44 Why did Walker never tell his superiors that the Wakandans attempted to murder him?
This is an excellent cut dude. I'd love to see more. Revisiting some of the older EFAP material is a little rough without highlights.
John walker switch to being a jerk and evil was so jarring, I still was on his side because he was right for most of it
Bro please do so many more of these. You do it perfectly too.
What would have been better in the Sam and Bucky vs Waller fight is if there were NO fight at all. Imagine it looks like a fight is gearing up, bucky starts to talk him down and Falcon opens up about losing his wingman. John, realizing what's happened drops the shield, falls to his knees, and starts breaking down. Bucky slides the shield away for safety reasons and Sam hugs John or puts his hand on his shoulder telling him everything's going to he ok.
Literally would have been the best, and what should have happened, and it's more in character for sam being a group counselor
They need to stop micro managing scripts with quotas on jokes, fights etc. It just means that nothing connects to anything to meet the quotas. Batwoman is a prime example
Reminded me of dubs getting dialogue or BACKGROUND MUSIC when the original had silence
*WHY*
@@Ramsey276one yeah that bugged me too. Couldn't let there be silence to just let the scene sink in
@@Ramsey276one DBZ be like:
Now that we know the shield's greatest rival, I look forward to future MCU villains forming the Agents of C.H.A.I.R.
*Finishes video*
This guy is supposed to lead the Avengers against Kang???
3:49:20 ironman in Ironman 3 had to catch like 10 people, but he couldn't STOP their decent, he just eased their speed and skimmed the ocean, falcon might have less power then that, but even if its equal, NO SHOT he lifts the truck.
Maybe he did that to reduce their velocity so their spines didnt snap on his armor
The ironic part of the whole PTSD and helping people with PTSD even in the comments is that they did this but better in Netflixs Punisher, the main villain of season 1 uses vulnerable PTSD vets who cant get back into society and puts them into his merc/contractor business that is tied to dubious people and contracts (i think they mention Fisk's company for one of em) and its seen as kinda grey because these people are seeking to go back onto the battlefield they wants to and even need to go back and the villain is actually shown talking to these vets IN the actual support groups saying stuff like i can help if this group stuff isnt working or you can work for me and make good money while scratching that itchy 'triggerfinger' .And Frank (Punisher) and his friend the head of the support group are against it because they are worried and knows that putting them in a "another warzone" will very obviously mess them up more then they already are or just kill them either by suicide or in a contract gone wrong (it does and they became cop killers) and with either side they never fully blame the Vets like yes they are willing doing these contracts but the show knows they are just as much as the victim as they are the perpetrator they all are still being taken advantage of by the villain (and the system for that matter).
One of the best characters in that show Lewis Wilson (look up his scenes because i wont do him full justice) is the best example of why its grey and has to be he is barely like in his 20s he might as well have a baby face and is so messed up beyond belief he gets tricked by a person a "Vet" who lied about there active duty and never seen an active warzone, feels that everyone is lying or betraying him in some way keeping he=im from battle and he ends up becoming a very dangerous terrorist in NY because of this and his PTSD not allowing him back into the normal world and allowing him to be in active duty with the villain, he is trying to go back into the war and the only thing grounding him was his dad (who i think is in a coma due to heart issues), the head of the support group and in the end Frank they brought him back to reality he needed but it was too late and he ended up killing himself show and characters say over and over that you are the victim because of X and Y but are also doing this to yourself and making it worse because of X and Y its all grey and a endless cycle too because there cant be a right solution or answer especially so in cases just like Lewis and with ones like WWII vet (and technically cold war too) Bucky
I could say more about how much better Punisher Season 1 is in comparison but you should just go watch it, it's not DareDevill levels good but still good imo and looks like FMJ next to F&WS
Listen, you guys didn't read the comics; there is no Lady Thor for Captain SAMerica to have a sudden inexplicable love story with. And Tanahesi Coates is getting paid too much on the lecture circuit to slum around the Marvel Disney studios. He would have at least written the agenda more blatantly and competently
Also during Sams big speech, he puts his arm condescendingly on the old white lady politician - I distinctly remember the show telling us Walker was evil when he patted the spear chicks shoulder
John Walker is The Don's adopted son
I actually really liked walker, and would’ve liked them to go through a “passing the torch” story instead of “gimme the shield, walker”
I didn't finish the series bc I literally forgot to, and watching this now damn, they did Walker dirty. I want an entire series about him but directed by people who know how to tell a story and don't destroy characters out of pettiness.
The characters act like petulant children because they're written by petulant children.
You edited some of these scenes to match up. in fact not just a little, a lot of these? I think. A really well done video.
Before I even finish watching this, thank you so much for trimming the huge amount of excess from EFAP's format. I enjoy longform analysis, but EFAP's runtimes are just absurd sometimes.
And four hours isn't absurd?
@@Wolffman109 takes as long as it takes man, the more you have to say the longer it takes to say it.
#BasedWalker
#JohnWalkerDidNothingWrong
#SamJustifiedTerroristsDoingTerrorism
Basedwalker🤣🤣
@@THEGM1234 Chad Walker
#totallyagree
The amount of times in this series that Falcon and Bucky are just watching Walker fight for his goddamn life with judgmental and condescending expressions- just, why did anybody at Disney think this is how we want our """heroes""" to act? It's so infuriating. I can't even imagine being in fucking combat and having people on my team just standing around, staring disapprovingly as I try not to die.
The "you gotta do better senator" part was really cringy and I felt like putting my fist through my TV screen. Could've done without the woke garbage