Is the New 3.0L I6 Hurricane Twin-Turbo Engine Really Good Enough to Replace the Hemi V8s?
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- Опубліковано 3 гру 2022
- Today we continue talking about the new 3.0L twin-turbocharged Hurricane engine from Stellantis. This engine is already released, found under the hood of the 2023 Jeep Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer, but along with the excitement comes a lot of uncertainty, especially from some enthusiasts who don’t like change. After all, the Hurricane variants are the direct ICE replacements for the 5.7L and 6.4L Hemi V8s. So today we will look at both the current 5.7L and 6.4L Hemi V8 engines, and compare everything we know, like performance specs, power, fuel economy, and reliability of these 3.0L Hurricane engines, check out the crate engines, compare them to the Hemi V8s, and see if it will be a suitable replacement for those beloved engines.
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So they spent billions of dollars on a new engine to meet fuel mileage standards. They could have accomplished the 2 MPG gain by building a lighter car and keeping the fabled Hemi...You should never ditch the date that brought you to the dance.
as much as i love the HEMI i think it was the right move to send it out to pasture with the regulations and fuel prices what they are now. I do agree that they need to shed some weight though, both my old RT charger and v6 challenger will give a full size SUV a run for their money on the scales
These modern “HEMI’s” were bastardized marketing tactics at best- the combustion chambers are clearly NOT hemispherical; Dodge brought the 5.7 HEMI MAGNUM to market in name only for 03’- they even attached MAGNUM to the name in the beginning to avoid getting their asses sued for false advertisement. They’re just more modern throw-away engines that are seriously outdated at this point- and Mopar/FCA/Stellantis has figured out how to charge people ridiculous amounts of money for the things. Yeah the 6.2 SC makes serious power, BUT still not a HEMI. Sad to see an entire V8 family go away, but had Mopar invested in Dodge at ALL in the last decade they could’ve had a really good smaller displacement DOHC V8 like Fords Coyote- instead of running out the clock on those huge outdated OHV engines; I’m not knocking OHV engines- GM’s LS, LT engines are compact, and lightweight in their all-aluminum versions. Chrysler never invested in developing aluminum versions of their modern V8’s. The “HEMI’s” aren’t exactly compact either. Ford has an all new Mustang with a long future ahead of it with V8 power. We’re stuck with a turbo I6, that sounds like a tractor engine, OR an EV that sounds like a vacuum cleaner.. Yay. The worst part about all of this is that had Dodge still been under the FCA banner, we would’ve seen the 23’ Georgio-based Chargers, with V8 power likely for another entire generation. FCA had them planned in the last 5 year plan right before Sergio passed away; he really believed in Dodge being distilled down to a high-performance brand more than anyone else. Stellantis ended that- Carlos Tavares isn’t quite the performance car visionary that Marchionne was. The first thing he did was disband SRT- so that tells you everything you need to know.
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At the same time.. Ford has designed the 7.3 Godzilla and now 6.8.. two valve, pushrod engine. because the DOHC, V8's they have used forever except the 4.6. were unreliable POS.. cam phaser problems.. timing chain issues. etc.
The Coyote is a nice engine.. sounds great too..
In high output low RPM uses,, like for trucks. 2 valves and pushrods.. works well.. Chevy has known this for years..
I will take simple and reliable over more complex and less reliable every time.. especially for rather minor fuel savings.
The inline six engines could be great.. especially in the Jeep products.. inline 6 engines have some history there, and good low end torque.. people wont mind a quiet I6 that performs well.
But people that want a muscle car.. don't care about fuel savings.. they care about the way the car makes them FEEL.. Big V8 rumble etc.
and Inline 6 CAN sound really good... Toyota Supra, Nissan, and BMW all made I6's that sounded good... but its a different sound, and I guess time will tell if it works for people that wanted a 392 scat pack or Hellcat.
@@kens97sto171 The 3- and 4-valve 4.6/5.4s were crap. The 2V versions were actually pretty stout (if underpowered), especially the Police Interceptor variants with PI heads.
Both of my ex-Police Crown Vic’s went well into 200,000 miles with little trouble (until one got stolen and wrecked and other lunched it’s transmission, which is the only weak spot on those cars).
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Yep the 4.6 is were pretty awesome. The crown vics and Grand Marquis and other vehicles we're pretty damn reliable and easy to repair also. Didn't know there was a three and four valve version of the 4.6.. wait.. that was what was in the high output version of the Grand Marquis I think.
I knew the 5.4 three valves were pretty crap. Always seemed odd to me that they had issues with the spark plugs popping out and then had issues with not being able to get the spark plugs out. Ford's been building engines for over 100 years you would think spark plugs would be something that they would have figured out a long time ago.
Then you add in cam phaser problems and timing chain issues.
From what I've heard those problems have continued into their current engines.
Meanwhile I've got a Toyota with 422,000 Miles, still on original timing equipment and cam phasers. Not that difficult to build those components to last the life of the car. But somehow Ford continues to screw it up.
I was seriously thinking about picking up a Ford Maverick hybrid. I could use a light duty truck that was very fuel efficient to replace my high mileage Toyota hybrid. But from what I've heard even their 4-cylinder engines have issues with timing equipment.
It may look good on paper, but Hemi's make me smile
Being a brand new engine from Stellantis, we all know they’re gonna have reliability problems out of the gate. I’d wait a couple years for it to be debugged. Otherwise, I really do love to see it.
Yeah wouldn’t want to be one of the first ones although I suppose that’s what the warranty is for. Curious to see them in the performance cars
You are right about them being new engines they are going to have trouble from the start but I personally think they’ll be better then the Hemi family when they sort out all the flaws because inline 6 are inherently more reliable then V8. They are balanced because they are in a row and 2 less cylinders mean less parts moving. The only issues I can think of that might cause problems are the turbos. This is all what I think.
@@MarspeedCars lol they better offer a nice warranty 😋
@@Chardwick9 naturally aspirated inline sixs are more reliable than V8s. Boosted to 26 psi? Unless you have a pit crew on call at your home, these engines wont make it pass the first winter. Looking at the design specs, these things are more like race engines than hot rods. Overly complex and sophisticated; meaning that they require more maintenance and are temperamental by environmental conditions.
Use the wrong oil weight or it’s too hot outside and watch sparks fly.
I was nodding yep, yep, yep on the new features and design specs for this new hurricane six. Until you got to the part about sprayed in steel cylinder liners. Klaxton alarms, lots of red lights and heavy stomping of feet on the brake peddle ensued. If I remember my history correctly, this technology has failed expensively when attempted in the past. When this lining material gets damaged or fails, is their a way to affordably repair it or is the engine non repairable and just scrap? The US market has proven very unforgiving of engines that have cylinder, cylinder head and piston failures on any above average scale. Remember the Chrysler 2.2 and 2.2 turbos, Chevrolet Vega 2300 engines, Oldsmobile quad 4 engines? And what those engines did to the reputation of the cars they were installed in? It did not end well.
Emotion and excitement counts for a lot when it comes to the Hemi and cars and trucks in general.
I’ll always love the Hemi no matter what
agreed 🔥💪🏽❤️
Yea tha older one's real merican made dodge not these Canadian fiat dodge's there trash
@@twongreen9968 they're*
@@tomcraftdonkey2285 says who English is not even a original nor authentic language so again says who pale faces who wasn't even here in tha beginning
Nothing sounds as good as a hemi
Let's replace a powerful reliable engine with a smaller forced induction engine that gets about the same gas mileage and won't last as long because it has to work harder. Perfect rationality and practicality for today's sensible environment. Oh and lest we not forget how much of a sales success the hemi was. Relying on evs is a death wish.
they do it so people will buy more cars
Its a inline 6 not a EV you micro pee pee clown
@@chewee4ever811 Their cars will need replacing faster, but it won't be with another of their models. I'm sure the 3.0 will be just as popular as the Hornet!
@@rogerrussell9544 I guarantee the only reason people will buy it is just to drop a V8 in it
I think the I6 is a great idea but of course it'll have it's problems but considering that they will be crate engines so anyone can buy them and actually push them to it's absolute limit and find solutions to whatever problems that arise and people can start making after market parts for both versions of the engine
Just like Fiat "perfected" the 500 after how many decades is this car a POS?
I've always been a big fan of the I6 engines especially when you add turbos. I'm interested to see what happens in the 2500 ram side of things with these engines.
I think dodge should take the hellephant and turn it into a naturally aspirated hd engine for the 2500.the hemi could still live on the bigger trucks
@@albertpintor3522 My hope is they take some power away from the HD Hurricane ( say to 425ish HP) so it can run off 87 or 89 octane and use that as the replacement for the 6.4L.
@@199412valve just like the ecoboost i think the hurricane should stay in the 1500 and maybe come out on the 2500. The 6.4 is better suited for heavy duty use. Its why ford has the godzilla now
@@albertpintor3522 I don't disagree with that.
LOL 😂, the only straight 6 that was good was the old ones in the 70s that Ford had. Yea ,let's put turbos on them... more garbage to go bad .
Wait until Renault runs the company into the ground and has to sell it and the next company brings the Hemi back as a marketing strategy. Sound familiar?
Exactly.
I don't think Renault is a part of the Stellantis group.
It's Peugot. Renault had bought AMC(and Mack Trucks) before Chrysler.
Renault is owned by the chinese government
Awesome video, The only thing thats concerns me is not if but when the turbochargers fail...if you're outta warranty, thats gonna be a tough pill to swallow.
Thanks for watching! Yeah the used car buyers in 8 years will be suffering 😂
Turbo's go because of lack of maintenance generally
Almost certainly an easier out-of-warranty pill to swallow than a dropped valve seat or a wiped lifter.
If you do 3,000 Mile oil changes, there's little to no friction to increase the wear on the turbos. Old oil wear is the main reason turbos go boom. That and overboosting them above their PSI parameters.
@@brendanbuster Not really!!
You can add a super charger or turbo to a Hemi engine cheaper than you can by a Hurricane crate engine, and doing so will increase output on the Hemi far beyond the Hurricane.
And drop the already mediocre gas mileage.
@@outfitr9703nobody is buying or modding a hemi for its gas mileage
They tried that spray in molten iron idea in the Vega. We all saw how that turned out. Aluminum engines are destroyed the first time they get hot. This will be unbelievably expensive once out of warranty.
I think GM used a special high silicon alloy for those blocks, don't think it was a plating. Many other manufacturers currently utilize this technology including the GME 2.0L, Ford coyote and Nissan GTR without issue. PTWA already has a proven track record.
@@okcmoparguy724 +1 .. Copy that, agreed. ... However the early '70s era GM Vega debacle was a historic nightmare. .. GM failed over and over in the small car segment, while Toyota & Datsun continued making a name for themselves. .. Found memories my '71 Datsun 510 (1.6l OHC I4) Gymkhana modified 4-door. , OEM Burnt Orange ..
I don't see how a more complicated motor is the way forward, regardless of the numbers, when your not in control of your own destiny this is what happens!!
Straight six motors are legendary in so many forms. I have high hopes for the hurricane.
Chrysler slant 6 and the Ford 4.9 i6. Both virtually indestructable
It’s a new dodge product. Don’t get your hopes up. It will be junk.
6-thousand-pound car with a 4.7 second 0-60 is astounding. I'll be waiting a few years for the kinks to get out, but I have plans to look at a durango or wagoneer as a new family rig anyhow, so I'm cautiously optimistic for this.
If the 2.0t is is any indication the engine shouldn’t have any issues.
Yeah, i was thinking this engine can also be N/A and be a reliable workhorse for the lower trims that also replaces the 3.6 pentastar with at least 315hp/315tq. And also get those 29-30 mpg's.
It's difficult to use inline 6 engines in a transverse layout. But I would love to see this engine detuned to like 330hp/375tq and put in some rear wheel drive cars.
And of course, we know pentastars can just crash at 200k, so not taking another risk…
I’ll gladly take a 2mpg hit for the v8 sound, reliability of the tested hemi, and simplicity of the naturally aspirated engine.
Same this only cements my decision to hold on to my Ram
347K miles on my 06 6.1 hemi
If you're talking reliability, Inline 6 engines across the board have a better reputation than V8 engines. An I6 with a turbo is as "simple" as a naturally aspirated V8.
@microcolonel You could not be more wrong. A NA V8 is by far more reliable than a blown 6. I put188K on my 88 5.0, 223K on my LT1, and currently have 345K on my 6.1 hemi. The bigger V8 is understressed compared to the blown 6 and far more durable. No worries about heat or anything.
I don’t know, I have a 1972 Charger Rally 440 six pack these new engines look quite good stick one of these 6 cylinders in my Charger probably would be really nice! - just kidding no way I would get rid of my 512 cu. In. Six pack with the Fitech injection running on E85
Drove a Grand Wagoneer with the HO I6 recently, and man is it powerful!
I read about this engine being leaked in development 5 years ago and straight 6 engines are almost always reliable. In some cases unreal reliability like the Ford 300, Dodge slant 6, and jeep 4.0
Reliability has very little to do with form factor as long as it's reasonably common. The engines you mentioned were old-form, simple OHV haulers where there wasn't much to break and all the problems were worked out due to decades in production.
@@ImmortanDan there is modern inline 6 engines that are also proving to be reliable but without time to test we will not see exactly how reliable. I believe the balance of the inline 6 makes it reliable. Similar to the 1911 it's kinda hard to mess up the design no matter how many modern components you attach the core design is still the same.
@@srtmetal7647High Power, 1911, original Glock design. . .much like the old inline 6 architecture. The thing is, they're inherently balanced and if designed well, ahould be dead reliable.
@@life_of_riley88 .. Agreed. .. Bring on the inline straight 6cly tt. ..
Wonder how long they will last with them being a direct injection engine. Valve problems are sure to creep in.
carbon build up will surely be an issue
Fires on front end collisions due to the high pressure spraying fuel onto the hot engine block, we are talking about +5000 psi of pressure.
Not to mention the small displacement and higher hp/torque numbers bone stock are concerning.
Seems like it won’t last too long
Unless they have two injectors one to spray the intake valve outside the combustion chamber and one inside the chamber or find a way to send the crankcase fumes directly to the cat. converter bypassing the intake valves and combustion chamber completely it will build up crud on the valves.
@@j3tt436 correct. Like a ticking time bomb if it’s small displacement on high boost levels
I might be buying that cat 3 crate for a magnum swap if the price is right
Thanks for putting the work in to make a quality video getting all the info together 👍
While nothing is a satisfying as a pushrod V8, the I6 makes such a unique sound. I’m definitely intrigued to see how this plays out
+1.. Ditto. .. Plenty of inline 6cyl that roar in the exhaust note department. .. The MB M104 3.6 inline 6 exhaust note is glorious ....
Running a shop, I know there will be growing pains as there are with most new power plants. I am also quite intrigued with the straight six design given the torque value of 90% or more available at 2350 rpm and up, as well as inherent balance. More complexity of a twin turbo motor is definitely going to add more problems right off the bat, but having 1 cylinder head instead of 2 is a plus in many cases. The different route of cylinder wall lining is where most of my concerns stem from.
The 2.0t from FCA now Stellantis has been very good although slightly less complicated.
the water cooled exhaust mani from cylinder head bothers me, go look at specs, this thing is gigantic too, they got a autopilot too😂😂😂
My 5.7 Hemi is getting 19-20 mph in my2019 Ram. I don’t need a 6 cylinder to get 20 mpg and it will never sound as good as the Hemi just saying. I know it’s coming and it sounds like a good engine. But I don’t want to see the V8 engines go away
I don't want V8s to go away either, but your Hemi Ram going 20mph is nothing too impressive. LOL :)
@@LeftenantMalachi LOL 😂 MPG.
I would normally steer away from a small twin turbo charged engine but I do like the inline 6 configuration. Heavy duty trucks have always used the same block configuration with great success for many decades. It just works. As long as emissions don't kill it and it isn't plagues with turbo and turbo system failures (intercoolers, compound turbos, oil and coolant leaks in hard to reach areas), it should be a good engine.
My Gosh I love my HEMI. It has 31M miles on it and 3 years old. I am going to take exceptional care of it after seeing this video. Not that I haven't but as I said, I love my HEMI. I get 5.4 sec 0-60 in my 300C. It will be interesting to see how the new engine grows up. I love the sound of the 5.7 naturally asperated HEMI when I open it up. Life is good.
Wow you do a lot of driving! That’s averaging over 10 million miles per year.
@@captainblacktoe1328 only about 27,400 miles a day🤣
Damn,that's reliable
People are just going to swap out the I6 hurricane V8 Hemi V8 a Hemi hell elephant 6.4 392 , Hemi Hellcat 6.4 , Scat pack 6.4 Hemi V8, Trailhawk 6.4 Hemi V8, 6.2 Demon 👿, even LS swap and 6.2 LT4 ZR1 swap, I have seen a Cummins Dodge Charger swap on you tube
I miss the HEMI a lot but in-line 6s are really cool.
+1.. Copy that.
This makes me remember the V6 3.0 Biturbo from the Lincoln Continental making 400hp
Hey - love that you finally caught up to 94 Toyota Supra Engine Tech! :)
Just watched a video of a Grand Wagoneer Jeep (3 tons) with the HO 3.0 Six Cylinder that ran 0-60 in 4.6 sec and a 13.5 in the quarter.
I can't wait to buy one and crank the boost.
I don't know about the rest of you but I've owned a 2jz. I know what an inline 6 turbo can do.
Complexity stays about the same, Inline 6 engines are already far less complex that V8s, adding the turbo puts it right about back to the same level if not reduces overall complexity. There is a reason 90% of all Semi trucks use an I6 turbo diesel, very simple engine design which adds to reliability, they however typically sit around 1-2k RPMs but if you are cruising along on the highway with one of these new ones you will be in that same neighborhood for RPMs.
My opinion - the ability to do more with less - whether it's a human OR a machine - you're gonna burn up the viability and longevity of either. Having a surplus of UNSTRESSED power from more displacement is better than MORE power from less displacement . Especially when a "minor" disruption (oops oil level went a little low on a HEMI vs a high-strung I6 that requires perfect operating conditions and attention to maintenance. I know of slant 6 225 CI motors that literally ran with ZERO oil for long durations. These new ones don't appear able to take ANY form of "abuse". Again - like a previous poster stated (@Ethan Dickstein), I'd rater not be a beta tester
Fuel mileage is not a concern for most Scat Pack and Hellcat owners because they do not daily drive their pride and joy. I drive mine about 1000 miles a year...One good thing about the six cylinder will be, no one will want to steal it.
I mean those new crappy Fiat dodge Chrysler vehicles are junk anyway they been unreliable people spend all that money for plastic Canadian fiat shit lol
Stellantis is going to tank the mopar performance branch. Hope they bite the dust when they realize EV's aren't profitable in this scenario.
Yeah what a dumb choice.. Americans will have no options left in regards to having a fun car to drive. I have a charger V6 GT and when I’m having a bad day I look at my car and I feel better. Life is boring enough why drive an electric car??
Getting a wagoner moving from 0-60 in only 5.5 seconds is pretty damn good. I drive a Tacoma with the 4.0 V6 though so what do I know about speed 😂
The standard EPA economy test of course favors the Hurricane..Driven even modestly hard, and most will be, the Hurricane will be about even with the Hemi engines..How about longevity? The Hemi engines will of course do significantly better here too. Reliability? I'll put my money on the Hemi designs..
Getting to EVs.. sure would like to know where all the additional grid power is going to come from..It won't come from wind or solar!
I've heard the opposite, real world mileage is even better than EPA rated on the GME-T6. Not many sold yet bit they're hitting dealer lots now.
I'm on the fence. I-6 engines are capable of a quite satisfying mechanical grumble.
Nail the exhaust note and people will get excited.
Yeah I think the v8 is so popular because of the sound. If it's anywhere close it'll work out
@@jamaallewis3520 V8 for me as a classic car owner is sound but also workability for the top. Honestly i dont mind. Plenty of v8s around. Have to adapt. I6 seems promising. I just wish ppl here respected v8s more, its just different.
I want to see it in use.. very excited about it.
I can’t wait for this! American 2J anyone??🤩👌🏾 And I hope they put it in some cool cars not just SUVs.
amazing and thorough content
I have no problem with forced induction (had a Cummins for the last 12 years and waiting for a Powerstroke right now), but I am not a big fan of forced induction in place of cubic inches on performance vehicles. Cutting the displacement in half and slightly increasing the power output is going to affect reliability, while not feeling all that much quicker and only saving you about $30 a month in fuel (less if you are into the throttle very often). My big problem with this is that performance cars are already pushing the engines harder than the average vehicle and the people buying them are more likely to be hard on them. That is going to decrease the upside (fuel economy), while increasing the downside (reliability).
20 plus psi turbos? Doesn't sound like something that will be trouble free beyond 100k miles.
Hi Andrew....Nice job...Anthony here! Merry Christmas!
Inline sixes are great, and I like the idea of more power and torque. But, I had Subarus (WRX and STI) for 12 years, and when I bought a new Ram in 2019, being free of a turbocharger and a greatly reduced chance of failure due to the specific output of the 5.7 being lower, not to mention the beautiful sound of the hemi, were major selling points for me, and why I bought a Ram instead of an Ecoboost F-150. I see the Hurricane as a transition engine, and will likely make my hemi last until I think a fully electric replacement is adequate, which is still several years in the future. If these engines end up being extremely reliable after a couple years of production, I will consider one, but with boost in excess of 20 lbs, this engine will be exposed to a lot of heat, so I have to see that they actually last. I won't consider one for at least two model years. I'm very happy this is an inline six vs. a V-6 because of the smoothness straight sixes offer.
Heat is only a problem if they don't have a good cooling solution for it.
Just take the engine out and replace it with a Hemi 😂
Genius
Would have preferred Hemi engines receive direct plus port injection, twin turbos to improve fuel economy.
Excellent video!
Interesting that they are offering a crate option before going mass into production cars. I highly doubt anyone with a current form V8 would want to engine swap. Also reliability will be a huge factor. Alfa Romeo’s turbos have been all over the place in terms of issues and reliability here in the US. Hopefully Stellantis gets it right with dodge/Jeep
I believe they also did the same for the 392 crate releasing it around 2007-2008, that was because it simply wouldn’t work in the LX cars without the new computers, Vvt, all that. At this time I also think no V8 owner would want to swap because the benefits are not worth it at this time to pay all that money to swap for a couple extra HP and efficiency. But as the crate that could be great for V6 owners old and new for a huge upgrade. I’m also worried about reliability, even the Hellcats had some issues first couple years
They won't cause there garbage and a garbage company
@@MarspeedCars If it weren't going to be probably so dang expensive, I wouldn't mind swapping one into my 1981 D150 with currently leaning tower of no power in it!
Fortunately, I do have an often maligned and misunderstood low mileage excellent running 413 industrial engine and 4:56 geared dually rear end for it if I so choose. That 413 has all the best performance goodies in the bottom end and extra reinforced block. They came factory with sodium filled valves!
My dream build for it would involve switching it to Holley Projection fuel injection and twin turbos. Other than maybe wanting to swap a cam, some forged pistons and ring gapping it for turbos, it's pretty much setup to handle it stock.
The chances that Stellantis will make a good turbo 6 are slim and none and slim just left the building.
Alfa Romeo's has always had problems ! Their new engines are no different .
With the complexity of a twin turbo setup, it's easy to think it might be more costly. But remember, this is an I6. For reasons, I6's made by any company, have always been super reliable. It's probably the reason they chose this setup.
This new engine will land many of these vehicles in BHPH lots & the salvage yards as used car buyers!
STAY TUNED
I think it was a mistake not having dual port/direct injection similar to the Toyota D4S system. Direct injection is nice, however the trade off is no fuel washing the intake valves keeping them clean. D4S helps solve this by combining both direct and port injection in the same engine.
They keep trying to make the 6 cylinders better than a v8 but it’s all due to the turbo. Make 3.0l v8 with a turbo and you have a more fuel efficient and faster, stronger engine
The money saved would be more when compared the v8 with regular gas compared to the boosted motor on premium. Also as far as durability...hp / cylinders is the problem. I'll take the same hp divided into more cylinders so each one makes less power but provides more life
I doubt the 6.4 is going away…. It can tow up to around 20k, as far as I know, the 6.2 hellcat and 5.7 is going bye bye… HD trucks with the 6.4 won’t be getting replaced for some time still.
can't wait to see this engine on the grand cherokee!
The 4200 from GM was a severely underrated engine. Doesn't surprise me. Inline 6 is a great engine.
👍Awesome video content Marspeed👍 the hemi v8s are officially done. They gonna still be around for quite some time on the used market.
Thanks my man! Yeah you’re right they will be around for a while, not sure what kind of prices they will command
Might be they somehow will forget to replace the 345 and 392 on sedans, and when it will be figured out - it will be too late to do the change, so they will decide to keep V8 on these cars.
I can’t imagine being a company and selling the heart of your business. Which for Ram/Dodge is the hemi. There will be a whole cottage industry built to keep these vehicles not only on the road but to be more desirable than new vehicles.
The v6 runs on regular gas so why did they switch to middle grade gas 89 octane which costs more?
Are the turbo center sections liquid cooled? Ball bearings on the turbine shaft?
Motors very similar to the b58. It's gonna be great can't wait for company's to get ahold of it
Plus nobody likes to rely on turbo charging for your base power.
Will this help enable Chrysler to meet the 2026 CAFE requirement of 40 mpg?
Yeah, not going anywhere near anything with this new engine in it for a while, just like the early v6 not-a-Cummins eco-diesels that liked to grenade themselves apparently. Maybe for a jeep I wouldn't mind this engine, or maybe a small roadster with a 6-speed manual... but a muscle car? No. And the all-electric electric fart-noise mobile that they're coming out with, I'm just not sold.
At least with this V6, I hope they're using both port and direct injection, something that's not some unknown after other manufacturers have dealt with direction injection turbos.
Terrific reporting on this segment.
Replace the Hemi? Absolutely not !!!!
I have a 2022 HEMI Bighorn also had 2018 same truck this truck will be the last if they discontinue the V-8's. I'll sell it for $50k and put it in my IRA/Brokerage Acct there is nothing else I like.
It would be interesting to see a dual intake throttle body with some larger turbos and a tune. I think it could make some serious powahh!!
Yeah, but in its current state dont over boost it they are pushing about the max, at least the max for reliability and power
@@grahambowyer5641 after the warranty expires of course lol
The break down is nice... but... that's for stock purchasers to consider. I suspect those inline 6 motors are pushed to their limit power wise from the factory whereas the Hemi V8 is easily modded for way more power.
Interested to see where it lands, as I-6 is a rarity these days and they're historically pretty durable. Though I agree with another post I read and I think a couple years "shake down" to gauge reliability is wise.
I hate that the Hemi is leaving but I would much rather have a 3.0 inline 6 over a 2.0 turbo 4 cylinder
I really hope that this thing is dead set reliable or it's going to be hard to justify getting one
They're definitely playing on nostalgia in 340 and 440. Also it's not the first jeep hurricane. If they can make a setup that can keep itself together they could do well in newer wranglers. Dad said it would go great in an old J truck
6 cylinder at 26psi < 8 cylinder 0 psi. Haven’t prepped one yet, but I’m dying too, I’m also dying for a hornet.
9:48...Chrysler does have a history of building Turbo engines. They had them in the Dodge Daytona in the late 80's all the way to the Spirit R/T, SRT Neons and Cailbers in 2000s. The Turbo engines were probably better than the cars they were in at the time!!!
Don’t forget about the Dodge Stealth which was a 3.0 v6 twin turbo
@@5.7heavenYou mean the Mitsubishi 3000gt.
The 2 problems I have: 1) Reliability and 2) A lower displacement engine must rev higher (higher rpm's) no matter if it is boosted or not to produce the same power. Meaning the engine must "scream" in order for you to get the power you are looking for.
Turbocharging allows engines to produce more power down low so they don't have to "scream". That's the point. He even listed the torque figures that prove as much.
Inline 6s can handle insane RPMs
@@jordanplays-transitandgame1690 Well, I mean anything can handle insane RPMs if you build it right.
@@erikkovacs3097 But inline 6s can just handle higher in general because of its simpler design
@@jordanplays-transitandgame1690 Compared to what though? Inline 6's are smoother running than a inline 4 sure, but all things being equal a v6 will rev the same as an inline 6.
I wonder if they will move this, or a version of these engines into the Jeep gladiator. I also wonder if it will replace the Pentastar V6, in straight six format without turbos.
I'm still waiting for one to get to a dealership anywhere near me! I want to test drive one before I decide to to get a 2023 or one of the many 2022 models still on dealer lots. Don't understand what the hold up is?? But with any new engine platform, there will be issues that arise. The Hemi's have been around for a long time and they still have some issues. I'm willing to give this new engine a shot if they ever hit the showroom floors!
If they do a good job engineering these I6 engines, I could see a future where people tune them way up like 2JZ's - that's a rock solid engine which is routine to get 1000hp with big boost. Yeah, the sound is different but times change and it can still be fun!
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It works well, and inline sixes are a great configuration. I just hope it's reliable. I suppose it's that small, because the bore spacing would be too close if they bored it out a little, allowing similar power with less boost.
Great videos always! I absolutely am opposed and disgusted that Dodge is getting rid of the Hemi V8. I don't care how much better performance or efficiency a V6 offers. The loss of the V8 is the loss of soul for the driving experience. It's not just about efficiency and performance for for us enthusiasts. If we cared about efficiency we would just drop in a a four-cylinder to any car, if we just cared about performance and efficiency we would turbocharge a V6. But if we care about the driving experience and being connected to The car will nothing offers that connection like a V8 and nothing removes us further from the driving experience tham electrifying the car or putting the V6
It's an I6. Much superior to a V6. and simpler. Only one head and only two cams.
Americans are catching up to japan with this
Chrysler has been making Hemis forever but corporate has shown little propensity for reliability in any of their products. External sources of parts seem to be a reoccurring problem that remain unaddressed by the bean counters. Adding direct fuel injection without also adding port will only mean numerous trips and high maintenance bills to rid carbon buildup direct injection alone causes
YES! I'm glad someone said it! DI w/o PFI is a huge issue. Just ask Ford. They are seeing engines, mostly the 4 cylinders, that are just a few yrs old and maybe 40 to 60k on them that run ruff cold and set misfire codes. The only fix is an expensive semi tear down and thorough cleaning. Best part is, they will carbon up again in about the same time frame, or less!
They should really bring back the "super six" branding from the old slant6's. Lots of folks have fond memories of these too...
Those turbo looked squeezed!!!! Gotta get serious heat round there
Caranddriver tested the new Grand Wagoneer L it weighted 6400lbs and ran 0-60 in 4.7sec with H.O hurricane 500hp so its very potent.
Unfortunately it's sounds horrible.
@@danv8717 only when it’s passing you…
You hit the nail on the head. This is all on paper. I would rather have the V8, sound good doing it, and have tons of room for minor upgrades to beat those turbo motors. No replacement for displacement. Ford Raptors sound terrible!
You probably hear that raptor exhaust often as it’s passing you
@@paulhunter9613 my dad has a raptor and it’s a badass truck but it sounds like dog shit
@@paulhunter9613 Never been passed by a Raptor.
@@richardwray8478 🙄
@@SlimeLifeBarter sorry to hear that your dad sounds like that
It would be interesting to see how this thing handles more boost with a new tune..
I’ve had a 2016 F165 sense new. It has 87k miles on my twin turbo 165 cuin v6. I have only had to replace a $20 temp sensor.
My 5.7 takes 87 octane
But it calls for 89 in the owners manual
Great video. I'm definitely a fan of turbocharging so it will be interesting to see how the Hurricane works out
I feel An engine shouldn’t need a turbo to make its base power, I feel a turbo is there for above and beyond performance, in other words if your turbo fails what have you got ?
It won't work out
Get a supercharger like a man…
@@silenciummortum2193 turbos are better finally we americans catching up to japan
Hoping they put it into the new Dakota and some as not mentioned yet car to replace the Challenger. Old Chrysler Corporation has a ton of experience with turbo charged engines as I am sure the European brands under Stellantis does also. Will they go 200,000 miles time will tell.
No solution for DI letting carbon on valve stems?
There was a time when a new engine was welcomed with open arms but I'm older and my memory has not been fried yet. Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep the V6's from the mid 90's through the mid to late 2000's don't give much credibility The Hemi has run its course and Fiat products are a joke in this country. If Chrysler/Ram/Dodge or Jeep are betting on the i6 to be the next big thing maybe they should test it in a Fiat so if it fails no one will notice.
I'll Take the N/A V8s everyday, over any TT I6...
I hope we get a naturally aspirated down tuned version of this engine for the SXT charger, Challenger, and Chrysler 300. Should help with the fuel economy a lot.
I think that's a good idea. The only thing that imo makes the engines unreliable I the turbos. They always are expensive to fix when they break... not if. Plus they put so much stress on the components. It's either a high revving turbo 6 or an under stressed lo revving v8
It would have been nice to see the engine without the plastic cover on top. Chrysler has more experience with turbos than any other American manufacture, In the 1980's and 90's they had many 2.2 and 2.5 turbos with very little trouble. I am dissappointed in the fuel econimy numbers. You would think a 3.0 six cylinder would deliver better fuel economy numbers. I know they are planning to replace the V-8's and that's good. Maybe they will develope a non turbo 3.0 six cylinder for better fuel economy, after all not everyone wants to go from 0 to 60 in 5 seconds or run a quarter mile in 13 seconds. I think MOST people just want something dependable that gives good fuel mileage.