MHR Sunbreak - Long Sword is Beautiful

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  • @IDeVaste
    @IDeVaste 2 роки тому +198

    Yoo this looks INSANE good job Mika

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому +8

      Thanks Deva!!

  • @abdul1678
    @abdul1678 2 роки тому +238

    Actually the most clean and best LS gameplay I have ever seen. So good. The fact you have no HUD either is insane. To know when you have red gauge. Not worrying about your own hp and know you won't die either. Amazing. And I'm not even a ls main

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому +12

      Thank you very much !

    • @jasonmagnes4467
      @jasonmagnes4467 2 роки тому +17

      well the blade get an outline of the same color as your gauge so that's quite easy to figure what gauge you have

    • @abdul1678
      @abdul1678 2 роки тому +5

      @@jasonmagnes4467 oh wow. I actually didn't know that. Thanks! But still there is no way to keep track of your health to my knowledge like that. So it's still impressive to do all these hunts without it

    • @jasonmagnes4467
      @jasonmagnes4467 2 роки тому +12

      @@abdul1678 Oh yeah, no hud is impressive ! I just wanted to give you that info since you didn't seemed to know

    • @Micromation
      @Micromation 2 роки тому +9

      You don't have to worry about HP when you don't get hit 🤷

  • @ckidslag3903
    @ckidslag3903 2 роки тому +128

    How every LS player feel when they stagger everybody in the team for a single hit.
    But for real tho, this is the coolest LS gameplay I've seen. I'm in awe.

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому +25

      Thanks ! But wait, is it still a thing? There are still people going on multiplayer without flinch free? ahah

    • @Xzeros
      @Xzeros Рік тому +4

      ​@@Mikaraiat the start I was one of then..., but LBG and IG users stagged me so often I just stopped and crafted those jewels... and I was the LS user...

    • @glomorailey106
      @glomorailey106 8 місяців тому +4

      ​@@Xzeros Gods be praised for shock absorber 1

  • @Wheat-yy1vf
    @Wheat-yy1vf Місяць тому +4

    This video in AWESOME! I’ve been trying to master all 14 weapons in Sunbreak and this series has helped so much. 🙏

  • @shivasanjeevmana
    @shivasanjeevmana 2 роки тому +26

    Really nice stuff Mika (the serene pose at 0:42... Chef's kiss)! You gave me some cool ideas to improve my LS gameplay in SB and, for that, I thank you ^^

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому +2

      That was the goal of the video so I'm glad it worked :)

  • @lemoniscate
    @lemoniscate 2 роки тому +34

    amazing, I've played longsword for than 10 years starting from MHFU. It really is a spectacle to see someone with such a different play style to my own using the same weapon and yet still doing it so elegantly

  • @karuiGaming
    @karuiGaming 2 роки тому +71

    Absolutely no hesitation on those moves, Amazing mastery over a majority of Longsword's moveset!

  • @gr2192
    @gr2192 2 роки тому +14

    My god, the double counter + wirebug parry at the start is just insane! I would love to be THIS good

  • @genjixi7589
    @genjixi7589 Рік тому +3

    Man this looks so kool I'm totally getting back in it again

  • @Awoken_Remmuz
    @Awoken_Remmuz 2 роки тому +5

    As someone who very much enjoyed World and plan to pick up Rise when it hits PS4 next month this was a treat to watch as a LS main.

  • @NekuroMC
    @NekuroMC 2 роки тому +6

    LS Main getting ready to counter every drop of water from the shower

  • @RauschenPauli
    @RauschenPauli 2 роки тому +4

    video of your friend landed in my recommended so now im here. not the biggest fan of LS but man does it looks clean and your mastery is impressive!

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому

      Thanks for your comment ! no problem about the weapon, you can see in my previous videos that I try to play a little bit of everything anyway :)

  • @Wdym-ET
    @Wdym-ET 2 роки тому +1

    This vid is the reason why i bought MHR SB. Its was great,thank you for super cool vid =]]

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому +1

      That's a great compliment ! Thanks and enjoy the game :)

  • @ofnir123
    @ofnir123 9 місяців тому +2

    A bit late to the party, but this video taught me a lot of things, you're an amazing player!

  • @roy.kristian
    @roy.kristian 2 роки тому +5

    2:54 holy shit that fight was so well controlled
    EDIT: triple that! the following hunts as well, those counters were insane

  • @dcshiori
    @dcshiori 2 роки тому +5

    Good job mikarai! Amazing montage! 💯💥

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому +1

      Thank you ! :)

    • @dcshiori
      @dcshiori 2 роки тому +2

      Hope we can do a collaboration in not distant future. 🐣

  • @thesongbird1679
    @thesongbird1679 2 роки тому +8

    When the ls main actually releases the anime skills on your enemy (and not their own team).
    Jokes aside, amazing gameplay. Watching really makes you feel like youre seeing the weapon truly mastered. Love it

  • @Nathan-bf7mt
    @Nathan-bf7mt 2 роки тому +1

    Flow like water, fall like rain , in the eye of the storm you are the hurricane.

  • @joshuamourning6650
    @joshuamourning6650 2 роки тому +1

    Wyvern ripper would have a tear of joy at how good you are with the blade

  • @Fugetsu_MH
    @Fugetsu_MH 2 роки тому +1

    Mais quel kiff omg ! Gg Mika ! Continue comme ça ❤️

  • @yoshiosakakida
    @yoshiosakakida 2 роки тому +1

    absolutely Beautifull

  • @hugo2011bh
    @hugo2011bh Рік тому +1

    Two word boy..... action and reaction. Dont touch me or you gona
    punishment! Great job you have my respect.

  • @BarokaiRein
    @BarokaiRein 2 роки тому +2

    It's all fun and games untik the hunter sheaths their weapon and says: "You're done, Kid."

  • @justbader9816
    @justbader9816 2 роки тому +1

    idk but u are a monster with that LS, so satisfying and cool to watch

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому +1

      Thank you ! :)

  • @Helldiver-0013
    @Helldiver-0013 2 роки тому +9

    Although I don't use longsword since I enjoy the lance playstyle, can't help but be awed fighting alongside skilled longsword hunters, when they don't screw me over when they hit me in my lance counter animation. Still this video was more of a dance with the blade which was flawless and Beautiful.

  • @Totonatiq
    @Totonatiq 2 роки тому +3

    As Vergil would say: Now I feel motivated!

  • @mangymedusa1578
    @mangymedusa1578 2 роки тому +1

    I’m here from IDeVaste, this gameplay is insane. You’ve got my sub 🙌🏾

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому

      Thank you and welcome !

  • @axis8396
    @axis8396 2 роки тому +2

    I'm actually just trying to process most of what's happening XD, the Sacred Sheathe parry I completely forgot was a thing and I'm surprised I never thought of Harvest Moon on elemental cause of the extra hits. It's not often I completely rethink my playstyle and build decisions but I'm actually just kinda blown away about the amount of stuff I'm not actually using

  • @aimannorzahariwod
    @aimannorzahariwod 10 місяців тому +1

    I watch this... as i struggle like a bitch but man, this is goals right here.

  • @SebastianSor13
    @SebastianSor13 2 роки тому +1

    You make me want to play weapons I haven't even thought of...STOP MAKING ME PLAY THIS GAME

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому

      Play the Game !

  • @camerondean7790
    @camerondean7790 2 роки тому +2

    The longsword is the main weapon I use when playing Monster hunter, because it suits me better than any other weapon

  • @Nine-Ball
    @Nine-Ball 2 роки тому +1

    I have found my motivation as a longsword main

  • @kullanh1993
    @kullanh1993 2 роки тому +2

    Ngl hope they bring the sacred sheath back in next mh for consoles as well as the ability to reposition your characters it just looks so bad ass

  • @adityakumar-qq7si
    @adityakumar-qq7si 2 роки тому +1

    Lol, 00:58, that no, bad monster, bitch slap, was awesome.

  • @Jaekization
    @Jaekization 2 роки тому +6

    I wish Insect Glaive got hella hard hitting fluid stuff like LS. It’s good but it’s just like an all around consistent damage, but no huge intense combos or anything

  • @dangkhoatran52
    @dangkhoatran52 2 роки тому +1

    i am the storm that is approaching

  • @BerzingueYT
    @BerzingueYT 2 роки тому +3

    this looks so good, you're only playing it on high res on pc ? nothing added ? no post prod ?

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому +3

      Thanks ! Yes, I play with maximum settings :) I believe removing the HUDs makes the game look so much better

    • @BerzingueYT
      @BerzingueYT 2 роки тому +3

      @@Mikarai didn't expect Rise to look this good on PC. Especially Sunbreak. Even tho it doesn't come close to World, still got pretty impressed when seregios showed up

  • @michaeldelarosa7991
    @michaeldelarosa7991 2 роки тому +1

    An like that I wanna play monster hunter again thank Mika

  • @Nickskates96
    @Nickskates96 2 роки тому +3

    Is the fully charged sacred sheath release a counter as well or just hyper armor? Also AMAZING video, earned a sub :)

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks ! it's just a hyper armor :)

  • @Micromation
    @Micromation 2 роки тому +2

    Missed the opportunity here with using Vergil's theme from DMC5, "Burry the Light"

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому

      Because I've used it in another video ;) ua-cam.com/video/qpiPYBjnSbc/v-deo.html

    • @Micromation
      @Micromation 2 роки тому

      @@Mikarai Noice 👌

  • @CakeofPokke
    @CakeofPokke 2 роки тому +1

    So stylish! Such an impressive montage! Uncle IDeVaste sent me here & I just became an instant fan! Great content you got there, Mika! 😁👍🏻👌🏻

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому

      A big thanks to Deva for sharing and thanks to you for the kind words ! :)

  • @TheDarkSpade1
    @TheDarkSpade1 2 роки тому +1

    This is inspiring me to try Long Sword with my fresh Xbox save now.

  • @van_arkride
    @van_arkride 2 роки тому +1

    Vergil : that's my girl right there

  • @darbyshelton7820
    @darbyshelton7820 2 роки тому +9

    Yo, I’d love to see what sort of mix sets you’ve come up with so far! And what long swords you think are really good to make for end game! This has inspired me to play long sword!

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому +9

      The set I've used the most so far is with the Final Boss LS / Lunagaron Helm / Barioth Mail X / Barioth Vambraces X / Rathalos Coil X / Ingot Greaves X. Then you fill up to have maxed Weakness Exploit / Crit Boost / Wirebug Whisperer
      Good luck in your LS journey :)

  • @wakaisenshiclips7465
    @wakaisenshiclips7465 2 роки тому +1

    Vergil would approve of your motivation

  • @NovaRoma3981
    @NovaRoma3981 2 роки тому +1

    0:40 insane

  • @callmelime5870
    @callmelime5870 2 роки тому +3

    How does he make the graphics better? I'm talking about the fact where it just looks smoother and better especially when he turns the angle of his camera you get what I mean

  • @gabrielottoni7967
    @gabrielottoni7967 2 роки тому +1

    Insane gameplay, btw which LS are you using on the video? It's beautiful! Or is it a layer?

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому +2

      I don't remember if these are layered or not but I mostly used the Malzeno one and the Gaismagorm one

  • @DiVerrencia
    @DiVerrencia 2 роки тому

    Now this is epic!

  • @lim4215
    @lim4215 2 роки тому +1

    Bloodbath for Sunbreak confirmed ? Mika sees into the future ? #MikaLeak ????

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому +1

      Ahah je ne peux rien dire ;)

  • @icemans1matedude339
    @icemans1matedude339 9 місяців тому

    After around 600 hunts of trying this weapon i actually feel the flow like battle trance when countering, its almost like playing a rhythm game

  • @Drexim1
    @Drexim1 Рік тому +1

    I'm new to the game, what lock on is best? your attacks seem so accurate yet mine miss so often!

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  Рік тому +2

      I don't lock at all ! Just play with the camera by myself

    • @tzengi372
      @tzengi372 Рік тому

      I would advice don’t lock on. Play moving the camra around. Lock on is really janky at least for me.

  • @taleteller4266
    @taleteller4266 2 роки тому

    Damn, now that was impressive.

  • @real_vardan
    @real_vardan 2 роки тому +1

    I just got sunbreak earlier this month, how do you do the downward slash counter? Like the one in 2:50. I've known the sacred sheath and serene pose counter but never executed that one. Thanks so much! Awesome video

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks ! It's the Tempered Spirit Blade, one of the new Sunbreak Longsword switch skill

    • @real_vardan
      @real_vardan 2 роки тому

      @@Mikarai Thanks, turns out there is another switch skill besides harvest moon

  • @sharjawee
    @sharjawee 2 роки тому +1

    Looking forward to more

  • @zidanekhan1358
    @zidanekhan1358 5 місяців тому

    getting into sunbreak now, how often do you use the swap scroll? i’ve pretty much mastered the base iai counter n helm breaker so it’s kinda overwhelming to get into all this other stuff. also ur crazy holy shit

  • @starbutter2730
    @starbutter2730 2 роки тому

    Dang I'm not even at Sunbreak but the little that I have seen (including this) looks cool.

  • @setsuna5919
    @setsuna5919 2 роки тому +1

    Hi, what LS did you use on the first part of the video? it looks so cool :D

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому +1

      Mostly the Malzeno one or the Gaismagorm one!

  • @ilyasnba31
    @ilyasnba31 2 роки тому +1

    Mika trop fort en fait

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому

      Merci Ilyas ! !

  • @clydenavs8498
    @clydenavs8498 7 місяців тому

    Imagine having all these cool moves in wilds 😊

  • @seanbalbuena8710
    @seanbalbuena8710 2 роки тому +1

    So good 😭😭 i wanna be as good as this

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому +2

      Practice and it will happen :)

  • @jushiiiiii
    @jushiiiiii 2 роки тому +1

    You're 👏 amazing

  • @snubnosedmonke
    @snubnosedmonke 2 роки тому +1

    are you playing on pc? it looks so smooth!

  • @EnergySurge09
    @EnergySurge09 2 роки тому

    The long sword is fun I recently picked it up and it is an absolute blast

  • @user-mx9ms9nd3r
    @user-mx9ms9nd3r 4 дні тому

    I haven’t played rise yet but this looks great, what’s that side step their doing after the seath skill

  • @spatialzeus3329
    @spatialzeus3329 2 роки тому +2

    Second vid I've seen, and you've inspired me to be even more reckless with a Longsword. Can I ask for the build?

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks !
      I have to think about a way to post the build properly

    • @budzergo
      @budzergo 2 роки тому +2

      @@Mikarai just write the name of the gear pieces out, and like 2x attack / 3x critical / 2x expert deco or something like that. then the preferred tali / easiest tali

  • @devilluffy17
    @devilluffy17 2 роки тому +1

    Amazing! Can I ask for your layered armor? Especially the chest?

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks ! Droth Chest + Rest is Espinas

  • @Syahburei
    @Syahburei 2 роки тому +1

    This is amazing!!! You know what would make LS more beautiful? Back to the good ol pre nerf dayzzz haizzzz i miss LS. But hey at least its more enjoyable to play!!

    • @tommymorin8057
      @tommymorin8057 2 роки тому

      Pre nerf? Damn i don't see how you want this weapon to be more broken xD. Its like.. the most broken in the game and its been for a while. Counters more than defensive weapons and the more versatile gameplay you can have. This weapon has legit no flaw in sunbreak. In my opinion its the one that needs a nerf lol. Tooo much damage, but hey they wont nerf the most used weapon in the game obviously. Still, one of or maybe the best LS gameplay i've seen 👌

  • @mascauxjordan2797
    @mascauxjordan2797 2 роки тому +1

    PogMudron !!!

  • @yannaedc5934
    @yannaedc5934 2 роки тому +1

    What is that blue arena circle thing o.o

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому

      Harvest moon, a new skill introduced in Sunbreak

    • @yannaedc5934
      @yannaedc5934 2 роки тому

      @@Mikarai o waw a skill that spans such a large area o.o I thought it was some minigame to stay in the circle xD

  • @ishinjuu91
    @ishinjuu91 2 місяці тому

    am i playing the same game? those animations and skills... never saw them?

  • @Bananathan25
    @Bananathan25 Рік тому +1

    How do you get your camera to zoom out so much during some attacks?

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  Рік тому +1

      It's a feature in the game, I don't do anything on my end

    • @Bananathan25
      @Bananathan25 Рік тому +1

      @@Mikarai thx for answering

  • @julyori3297
    @julyori3297 2 роки тому +2

    What's the Layered armor you're using after the Rajang clip?

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому

      The chest is Droth, all the rest is Espinas :)

  • @moondragon2502
    @moondragon2502 2 роки тому +2

    I thought after seeing every LS main do the same move again and again, i would not find them beautiful anymore. Well, that's something different, you're doing so great man. Usually nobody like a LS user, but how can you be angry to someone playing like this ??

  • @Cloudkey23
    @Cloudkey23 2 роки тому +2

    Its like Long sword Valor style Sunbreak Edition

  • @Eiriu28
    @Eiriu28 2 роки тому +1

    Mika Senseii... May i know your blue and red scrool skill set ???

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому

      That will be complicated, especially in this video because I wanted to show most of the possible combos, I tried like every switch skills

    • @Eiriu28
      @Eiriu28 2 роки тому

      I try LS like anyone but, still akward with the skill set

  • @thatguy3775
    @thatguy3775 2 роки тому +1

    I'm new to longsword, do you have any tips as far as timing the invince frames? I always seem to miss it

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому +2

      The training Area in Rise is a very good place to practice the timing when you begin. After that, you can start practicing on monsters (preferably weaks one first since you don't want to get punished too hard at the beginning)
      Then it's only practice and practice :)

    • @thatguy3775
      @thatguy3775 2 роки тому +2

      @@Mikarai I think I'm going to try replaying the game with only LS before buying Sunbreak this weekend, wish me luck!

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому +1

      Good luck :)

  • @WARRE7V
    @WARRE7V 9 місяців тому

    Any tips to get better with counters and in general better with the LS?

  • @sklunts
    @sklunts Рік тому

    How does your game look this good?

  • @KING-dw3we
    @KING-dw3we 2 роки тому +1

    Can you do a heavy bow gun next.

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому +1

      Probably not next but maybe someday :)

  • @unclediscord3654
    @unclediscord3654 2 роки тому +1

    How do you do all those attacks and what build?

  • @brovusmarillian3303
    @brovusmarillian3303 2 роки тому

    they should bring back the Gore from MH1 where you can literally cut small Monsters in half.

  • @quinnmcdonald3763
    @quinnmcdonald3763 2 роки тому +2

    As a professional longsword main. It is like watching art in motion whenever you use this weapon. Excellent performance, my boi.

  • @CabbageFarmer42
    @CabbageFarmer42 2 роки тому +1

    How am I just now finding you????😯

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому

      I don't know but welcome ! :)

  • @cloudbuster100
    @cloudbuster100 2 роки тому

    Could i ask what you red and set ups are?

  • @LeonedeBeaumont
    @LeonedeBeaumont 2 роки тому +1

    Which game do you enjoy playing the most? World or Rise?

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому +1

      I like both but if I had to choose one, I would say World

  • @darksanstheskeleton9674
    @darksanstheskeleton9674 2 роки тому

    What wire bug skills and switch skills are you using to have a effective heavy combination attacks

  • @Hollowbiscuit
    @Hollowbiscuit 2 роки тому +2

    I stopped using the long sword taking it went down on the tier list as a good weapon but this shows me different. I'm definitely gonna practice using it again. Thank you for this. And honestly what's your skill swap loadout cause everyone needs one of these masters in every hunt.

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому +2

      I tried a bit of every switch skills. But the one you had on base Rise might be good for the Red Scroll
      Then you can put sacred sheath and sakura slash in the blue scroll. That might be a good start ;)

    • @Hollowbiscuit
      @Hollowbiscuit 2 роки тому

      @@Mikarai much thanks. Hope to hunt with you one day. 🥰😁

  • @johndoe4004
    @johndoe4004 2 роки тому

    just waiting for the next game, hate how the jump was changed from worlds

  • @hunterplays8992
    @hunterplays8992 2 роки тому

    Monster hunter's long swords are actually closer to Nodachis in size and shape

  • @stonetusk1
    @stonetusk1 2 роки тому

    do you play on switch or PC?

  • @alejandro.m8728
    @alejandro.m8728 Рік тому

    Hi, how do you do that "sidestep" at 0:14?

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  Рік тому +1

      With the Roll button when you're in Sacred Sheath

    • @alejandro.m8728
      @alejandro.m8728 Рік тому

      @@Mikarai Thanks for answer but it does not work for me, I have an Xbox one controller, so I assume its "A" button, but it does not work, the character just rolls over

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  Рік тому

      You have to stay in the sacred sheath stance though ! By holding the sheath button

    • @alejandro.m8728
      @alejandro.m8728 Рік тому

      @@Mikarai thanks but it do not work for me, "RT + A" do the sheath stance but can't dodge like you don't know why, in the stance I try "A" to dodge while holding "RT" but nothing, also tried "RB" button (put your weapon away)

    • @iamkoolguy
      @iamkoolguy 5 місяців тому

      @@alejandro.m8728 there’s two sheathe stances. the one that they’re using is the “sacred sheathe stance” the one you’re trying to use is the “special sheathe.” you can only perform the sidestep with the sacred sheathe switch skill, not the special sheathe. hope this helps!

  • @Kaimonji
    @Kaimonji 2 роки тому

    What's your switch skill loadout??

  • @Fenikkusu14
    @Fenikkusu14 2 роки тому

    How is his game so smooth? I'm on PC with a 3060 and I can't get the game to look like this o.o is there a setting I need to change?

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому

      Do you have all settings on max?

    • @Fenikkusu14
      @Fenikkusu14 2 роки тому

      @@Mikarai thought did but I guess not, I'll fix that

  • @prabhakarraj6644
    @prabhakarraj6644 2 роки тому

    How do you become that good? I am playing mhw and i can't even do one iai slash or foresight slash something right i am so bad and it feels so boring to just spam spirit slash and normal slashes smh

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому

      I don't know, i just practice a lot ;) Also I only play solo so it helps me improving faster

  • @blytzace
    @blytzace 2 роки тому

    You can hide the sheath of the longsword?

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому +1

      No you can't, but the Malzeno sword doesn't have one

  • @Proto-Skoll
    @Proto-Skoll 2 роки тому +1

    J'en perd mes mots, c'est quoi ce skill !!?

    • @Mikarai
      @Mikarai  2 роки тому +1

      Ahah je sais pas, mais merci ! :)

  • @_zorah_9043
    @_zorah_9043 2 роки тому +1

    Juste trop fort que dire d'autres ?

  • @uy1816
    @uy1816 2 роки тому +2

    うまいな。こんなうまいと気持ちいいだろうな。

  • @gore-ernetsu
    @gore-ernetsu 2 роки тому

    j’espère que le syndicat des arme ne passeras pas par la 😂 ( ptit ref au CDC 9 )