I’m a die hard Yankees fan and New Yorker but this is getting annoying. It just comes off salty and biased. If I had to answer being unbiased who do I truly believe is the overall better player it’s Ohtani. If you asked me could Ohtani do what judge has done is the same situation and vice versa…Ohtani could do what judge does in the outfield and at the plate or be similar in stats but could judge steal bases and be a starting pitcher like Ohtani the answer is no. That should honestly be the end of the debate right there
Exactly, 26 Ohtanis vs 26 Judges ....if they played 162 games, it'll be 162 wins for Shohei, and zero wins team Judge lol Shohei Ohtani is literally the perfect baseball player. These Yankee cheer leaders need to stop.
Who's the Better Player? I love them both. Offensive I think Judge is better and he is an above average outfielder. But overall when both are healthy I would take Ohtani, because he is an ace level pitcher and a great hitter and baserunner also he is doing things that will probably never see it again. In the future we will see a few players like Judge but probably no players like Ohtani.
@@nrox1051um, in what world is he above average in the OF? He has a negative defensive WAR. I agree offensively he’s better than Ohtani. You factor in the other stuff, and it’s a no brainer. You take Shohei 10/10.
What Ohtani is doing for MLB, the game of MLB is priceless. He's drawing millions of people to Baseball. Countries like Vietnam, Laos, Myanmar, Indonesia don't play baseball but everyone is paying attention to what Ohtani is doing. He's not just Japan he's ALL of Asia and more. That's why he's getting 700mill and 100+ sponsorships deals. Say what you want about who's better Judge or Ohtani. In my view, Ohtani is the complete package. Americans should be using his story as a world wide international success story. How great the America dream really is
@@salvadorgarza1595 Thank you. I’ve said this a few times, in 2024 Judge was the better player, Ohtani was the more marketable one. Honestly, Ohtani was just the 3rd best player in baseball this year to Judge and Witt.
They were both healthy in 2022 and who won MVP? What season did Ohtani pitch and hit in that was better than Judge's 2022 and 2024 seasons? The answer is none.
Judge is not a top tier outfielder. Shohei loss his MVP a couple of years ago to Judge even though he had much better stats than Judge other than record HRs. Going by the same logic, Shohei's new 50/50 record should win the MVP.
He didn't have better stats other than HR. He also trailed, significantly, in ISO, RBI, OBP, SLG, OPS, OPS+, wRC+, bWAR, fWAR... And the WAR for Judge was just him hitting. And it was higher than Ohtani had with his hitting and pitching WAR combined. And this season, Ohtani has Judge on steals and triples, Judge tops him everywhere else and not by a small amount. And judge may not be top tier defensively, but he is still an above be average defender at a premium defensive position. He has no errors,gets a good jump on the ball, is better at robbing homers than anybody, has an absolute cannon that the league has learned not to run on.
That “if he wanted to” argument is crazy. If he could do something to help his team win more games then he would, because he already wants to win more games. Judge is not a good enough runner to steal more than 20 bases. And even if he did he would have a lot worse of a steal % than Ohtani and be running into outs all the time as a result, costing his team games. Ohtani’s 50+ SB is both an amazing number of steals and he is not costing his team by going for it because he is so good at it to begin with. Unselfish baseball while chasing a milestone.
Ohtani has a 92.87% success rate. That's good for top 5 ever for seasons with 40+ steals I believe. Ichiro has the highest ever at 95.74%. That's an absurd thing to do for a player who is 6'4 and has 52 hrs. Acuna only had an 83.9% success rate last year. That should help put the stolen bases into perspective.
Where was this energy for stolen bases last year? When Acuna jr. had 74? De la Cruz has 65. Why is ohtani 50 better than there’s? Oh, Acuna jr. also had 43 home runs.
@Sincere765-ht5bn 41 hr is a decent amount. 53 hr and is way better than 73 stolen bases. There have only been 32 seasons ever with 53+ hrs. If ohtani hits 55 it will be the 22nd ever. There have been 109 73 steal seasons and 307 seasons of 41+ hrs. 12 more hr is a much harder thing to do than the stolen bases. I'm sorry my guy. Acuna is great. Bit his season was no where near as insane.
Judge doesn't need to steal bases. His bat his far superior to the rest of baseball. That's like asking why didn't Barry Bonds get 50 steals when he was winning MVP's year after year. He didn't need to.
@@TheRexrapper sure but need and want are separate, is he not just a better player if he gets more steals. And why would he want want that. He obviously does, he’s doing everything he can do
Did you guys hear the Interview Judge gave a few days ago about Ohtani. Judge brought out the fact that what Ohtani is doing this year while recovering from tommy john is unbelievable. That's from one goat to the other. I know these guys are playing the good cop bad cop for likes, but come on. Be a little more respectful
You mean the Yankees announcer who was viciously slandering Ohtani at the beginning of the season, and never apologized, favors Judge?! UA-cam, how do I block this channel?
The “he could steal more bases if he wanted to” statement is the stupidest thing to say….then there would be a lot more for 40/40 this year but guess what?! Noo he can not steal bases if he wanted too
As a Cubs fan Im not denying Judge is better offensively but Ohtani is a better player, he has power and speed can go 50-50 that's an all around player, and he's also an Ace pitcher that can win 15 games with a 2.33 ERA. And Ohtani won the MVP uninimously twice over Judge.
@@yosefyahu4778 You’re forgetting base stealing stats which can change the outcome of the game. See Ricky Henderson Jays World Series. You forgetting his singles+base stealing to put himself in RISP. Excluding base running stats is unfair. He has more total bases, extra base hits, triples (would be hr at Yankees stadium), hits, less ground out dbl plays cuz he runs faster, he has more at bats because he’s a lead off hitter - much harder to get RBI but score more hence more Runs than Judge, better strikeout rate leads to better BB/K, on and on. And the most important footnote: He’s in rehab since start of season. If this doesn’t speak most valuable, then the award is a joke. He could have sat out the whole season to heal.
It’s easy to settle this with the good old fashioned American way, one on one, let them pitch and hit against each other with no outside help, I bet my money on Ohtani.
@@CharlieLucky24 I'll take the guy with more home runs , higher average , more RBI 275 putouts and 9 outfield assists. WAY WAY more valuable of a player
Anyone who takes 50% of their at bats in the Yankees stadium needs to take this into account. So many of Ohtani’s fly outs are at the wall. Yankees Stadium is a hitters park.
See Stanton hr in 2017 as a Yankee. Correction: he was still a Marlin. My mistake. But still Yankees Stadium is top hitters ballpark in MLB. According to Odds Shark Betting, Yankees Stadium is the best MLB ballpark for hitters resulting in better hitting stats. Rated 198 HR factor. The league avg is 100. The right field has a whopping distance of 315ft only. The dbl by Ohtani last night to the right field would have resulted in a HR at Yankees stadium. Dodger stadium ranked 17th on the list with a Hr factor of 95 below avg as a hitters park.
Ohtani has the same power as Judge, and I rather have a player with power and speed steal 50 bases than a guy making 1 or 2 catches in the outfield standing like a statue.
I respect players who is playing great defense, but everyone is saying Ohtani is a DH and not playing defense like Lindor or Judge. Maybe Ohtani's performance has shocked all these commentators and made them forgot about 1 thing. SHOHEI OHTANI is in REHAB! I have a lot of respect for Judge homer hitting ability, and performed like a great athlete. But when Ohtani is pitching in 2022, Shohei's WAR combined is dwarfing all the other players. Then all commentators were bragging about 62HRs has never been done without steroid. Why those 5 to 8 HRs make that much difference than all the quality starts a 2-Way Player can bring to the mound is beyond my understanding. But it was an extraordinary accomplishment for Judge and MLB. So is 50-50 for Shohei Ohtani.
They make it sound like it is so hard to play in the outfield. Playing in the outfield is like being a DH lol. Hardest position are being a pitcher, ss, catcher and batter. If Ohtani was in the outfield, he kill it too. Bring on the excuses, ain't nothing stopping the GOAT.
He's got speed and an arm and I'm sure he's learned how to catch a ball by now. He'd probably be an awesome outfielder if that's what he was asked to do.
Shohei is so much more valuable to the team that the team chooses to preserve him by not playing him in the field. It's not like Ohtani can't field, those who have seen him in Japan has said he's an elite defender with a cannon throw (obviously) - but they choose not to play him in the field because he's so valuable in other departments (i.e. pitching).
I've always thought WAR is a nonsense statistic. Judge is having a great year, and his average and RBIs are better than Ohtani, but Shohei has scored more runs (125 vs. 114), has more TB (383 vs. 368), more extra-base hits (93 vs. 89), more triples, and is one HR behind Judge, while stealing 50+ bases. Shohei will likely finish the season with more HRs. It isn't even close as to who the MVP would be--Ohtani is baseball superman
It's not just that...judge has a better average...more HR for now ..more RBIs...better OBP...better slugging %...better OPS...more 2B hits...127 walks which is way more then ohtani s 78...60 less AB then ohtani ...ohtani only has 10 more Runs then him and more SB and 6 more hits...ohtani is definitely the best player in baseball because he can hit and pitch...but this year he's DH and not pitching or playing the outfield...in my opinion judge is offensively better then ohtani
@@jmlive10 Ohtani went 4-5 today, and is now batting over .300 with 53 HRs. He also stole 2 more bases and could become the first 50-60 player. He could also reach 400+ total bases for the season, and 100+ extra-base hits, something Judge has never done. Aside from walking more, and a higher BA, Judge has nothing on Ohtani
That's like saying players have done what Barry Bonds was doing. That might be the case Ohtani did something no one else has done but that doesn't make him the best. What do I mean when I say that? What season has Ohtani had that is better than Judge's 2022 and 2024 seasons? If they were in the same league this year, does Ohtani win MVP over Judge? That's my point.
@@Phat-rj3jobecause stealing bases is not just on speed alone. It also comes with intelligence and patience to study the pitcher and catcher and the time when to steal or not to steal. That is why he has a higher percentage in steals.
@@sherwincervantes yeah you are making my point, naysayers are saying Ohtani’s base stealing isn’t that impressive because it’s easier to steal nowadays.
If a football player is only 1 behind the lead touchdown leader with also 52 interseptions while also being a top five Quarterback You wouldn’t have him as your mvp and give it the guy with 1 more touchdown is insane😂
I believe Ohtani would be better if hes full healthy on both side. Ohtani probably hits the best DH season and will get MVP, but this season I choose Judge, look at the WAR, the OPS, the fielding, cant ignore becuz of 50/50... From Ohtani fan 😊
Judge is a Beast. But Ohtani is UNREAL. 63HRs ain’t nothing new , that’s child’s play in the NL. 50/50+ now, that’s new. The Value will always be in an Ace that can slug, or I’m taking the DH that gives me 50/50+ unless u giving me 74homers?
It's funny people keep bringing up "o Aaron judge plays defensive" I wonder if they look at his Numbers they rank among the worse for center fielders his DRS -6 ranks 20th out of the 22 his OAA -6 is 22nd but offensively he is a beast...o and that NY Athletes bs he mention is false if anything being a Yankee gets you move coverage
These guys completely overlook Ohtani's Tommy John's surgery. It's been a year and he's played the whole season as DH doing what he does in recover. Wake up.
I think Ohtani is overall better But when Aaron Judge is on fire nooooo baseball player is on his level one of the closest players we ever got to Bonds Judge production is out worldly But Ohtani is a goat man he's special both guys are but Ohtani is special especially being Japanese we never see Asian guys put up numbers like this year after year
Another aspect they overlooked is hitting when it matters. Most of the HR by Judge came in a losing game. Ohtani, despite his low BA in RISP seems to hit his HR when it matters. Come playoff time we shall see who is really hardcore.
Switching to $? Dodgers made $,$$$,$$$,$$$ , mlb teams made $$$,$$$,$$$ when Shohei showed up at their stadiums. Not even mentioned tourist industry also benefited by Shohei. He plays pure and hustles with passion like little league . Total package at elite levels on both ends of the ball.
Not playing defense and no defense are two completely differnt concepts. I hate people trying to mix differnt things up to pretend they are the same thing. That''s lying. Some bad politicians likes to do this. 1+1 is not 11
Ohtani would win the MVP for the same reason DiMaggio won the MVP over Williams in 1941. Williams had the superior statistics but DiMaggio had the signature feat in the 56 game hitting streak. The 50/50 is like that for Ohtani.
All you need to know is that Judge played everyday. Judge carried his team. Biggest FACT: 2022 Yankees went on an historic collapse after the All-Star break. Aaron Judge carried that team into a division title with 62 Home Runs. Ohtani on the other hand played with Mike Trout and other good/mid guys and never had an at-bat in the playoffs. Judge is better. Judge is the best player in baseball everybody knows it. MLB glazes Ohtani because of the international value. Judge is far superior, even in 2024.
As you already know by now, Shohei Ohtani has something specially dramatic that any other “great” “star” baseball player cannot have. You cannot evaluate the greatness of Ohtani by only comparing each stat he is not No. 1 against his “great” contenders because Shohei Ohtani is the one-of-a-kind “Superstar” in the Baseball universe right now.
That's the freaking point.!! Ohtani wasn't pitching this season so to keep himself busy and motivated he decides to go for 40 40 then 50 50 in this one free season that he has and he did it!!! Who else would set a goal and nab it if it isn't ohtani!!! No one!! Not even judge if he wanted to
The better player is Ohtani. The better hitter is Judge. Their both incredible but ohtani is more impressive because of all the tools he has. Put it like this you're comparing one of the top pitchers in baseball bat to the best hitter in baseball bat. Thats not supposed to happen.
Exactly these dudes like Kay, Russo, Jon Heyman, Steven A, Wilson, et al all are hating on Shohei and have been for years. Hands down any GM in baseball would take Ohtani
Judge is OPSing 150 points higher than Ohtani. That's the gap between a fringe MLBer and an MLB AS. Ohtani just doesn't have the offensive talent to match Judge. Levels.
Put it this way... If Judge had Tommy John surgery last season... He would be out this year. GOATani is breaking and making records in a rehab season. Shohei isn't the NL MVP. He's THEE MVP... Period!
Judge has a -9 DRS and defense replacement is so much easier to get than offensive replacement. I think is skews WAR against DH too much. Ohtani is at 52-52 right now. If he hits more home runs than judge and has 45 more SBs than Judge then IDK why Judge's poor performance in CF would make him better.
Who's the Better Player? I love them both. Offensive I think Judge is better and he is an above average outfielder. But overall when both are healthy I would take Ohtani, because he is an ace level pitcher and a great hitter and baserunner also he is doing things that will probably never see it again. In the future we will see a few players like Judge but probably no players like Ohtani.
check out top 20 position player wars in the mlb....13 from the AL, 7 from the NL....if ohtani were in the AL, his war would be SO much higher. the NL is stacked this year, that's why the fact that his war is +1.1 higher than 2nd best chapman (vs. judge at +0.5 vs. witt) is that impressive.
You all have to remember Ohtani is recovering from a Tommy John like surgery that routine is hard to recover from and for him to continue to do what he’s doing is crazy. That being said It would be close with Judge getting the bettter
How can you state, “it’s a lot easier stealing bases,” when there are only 2 players over 50 SB’s? I honestly believe even if Ohtani passes Judge’s HR’s this season. These 3 would STILL vote for Judge as overall MVP! That’s how biased these 3 are. 🤡 show
Switching to $? Dodgers made $,$$$,$$$,$$$ , mlb teams made $$$,$$$,$$$ when Shohei showed up at their stadium. Not even mentioned tourist industry also benefited by Shohei. He plays pure and hustles with passion like little league . Total package at elite levels on both ends of the ball.
If it’s alot easier stealing bases then WHY doesn’t Judge do it?!?!? Why has NO one gone 50/50 before? These 3 are having dumb takes. Judge wanted too steal bases he would? The DO IT!!! Gimme a break!
First of all Ohtani is pitcher with Tommy John. Also not trying to take anything off Judge but u gotta also consider NY is def. hitters HR park vs Chavez Ravine known for pitchers park
Who first created the 50/50 club?the one and only... SHOHEI OHTANI THAT'S HISTORY!!!!!!no one will remember Judge's accomplishments this year in 50 years 😊
He’d better be beyond stats. He’s not even in the same ballpark with Judge and Witt in WAR and he’s more than 40 pts behind Judge in wRC+. But Shohei used to pitch!
Baseball is very easily quantified by our well established numbering system. The higher the numbers... The better the player. It's not even debatable that Judge is better on EVERYTHING except lame SB's. Ohtani is also selfishly clogging up the DH spot so the other guys on his team can't get the half day off.
I’m a die hard Yankees fan and New Yorker but this is getting annoying. It just comes off salty and biased. If I had to answer being unbiased who do I truly believe is the overall better player it’s Ohtani. If you asked me could Ohtani do what judge has done is the same situation and vice versa…Ohtani could do what judge does in the outfield and at the plate or be similar in stats but could judge steal bases and be a starting pitcher like Ohtani the answer is no. That should honestly be the end of the debate right there
Great analogy
Exactly, 26 Ohtanis vs 26 Judges ....if they played 162 games, it'll be 162 wins for Shohei, and zero wins team Judge lol Shohei Ohtani is literally the perfect baseball player. These Yankee cheer leaders need to stop.
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Agree. The only reason Ohtani doesn’t play the outfield is because HE’S INJURED AND CANT THROW.
Ohtani = $700million
Judge = $380 million
Ohtani is 2x more valuable than Judge.
GG
Until Judge learns how to pitch and steals some bases Ohtani is a better player overall.
Spot on. Wide angle point of view. Ohtani pitches as well, different types of players
Who's the Better Player? I love them both. Offensive I think Judge is better and he is an above average outfielder.
But overall when both are healthy I would take Ohtani, because he is an ace level pitcher and a great hitter and baserunner also he is doing things that will probably never see it again. In the future we will see a few players like Judge but probably no players like Ohtani.
True better player, but judge is the better hitter
Right on 👍
@@nrox1051um, in what world is he above average in the OF? He has a negative defensive WAR. I agree offensively he’s better than Ohtani. You factor in the other stuff, and it’s a no brainer. You take Shohei 10/10.
Ohtani is a pitcher let that sink in
and hitter and stealer
Elite hitter, elite pitcher, elite baserunner
How many games has he pitched this year
Is the conversation about career or this season?
He's a DH, he's not pitching this season.
Every single GM would take Ohtani over Judge if they could pick.
That's why few teams were willing to offered him 700m
Yeah because he can pitch. If it was just hitting you’d be crazy not to pick judge
@@rjmq433 ?? yea like everyone will pick ohtani if judge can’t hit lol like u’d mentioned he CAN pitch and hit just like Judge
Exactly
@@rjmq433oh okay, let’s just conveniently ignore things to prove our point.
The debate is dead bro - Ohtani is way beyond judge
Yep, he's on another level way way up another level.
I just listen for the New Yorker accent
Obviously the world sound around the city
Judge is better
@@virgilbradford5714 yeah for trasshy New Yorkers
@@virgilbradford5714nobody's care, i came here for Othani.
What Ohtani is doing for MLB, the game of MLB is priceless. He's drawing millions of people to Baseball. Countries like Vietnam, Laos, Myanmar, Indonesia don't play baseball but everyone is paying attention to what Ohtani is doing. He's not just Japan he's ALL of Asia and more. That's why he's getting 700mill and 100+ sponsorships deals. Say what you want about who's better Judge or Ohtani. In my view, Ohtani is the complete package. Americans should be using his story as a world wide international success story. How great the America dream really is
Out of the 10 stats that matter he only excels in one beating judge. 59 stolen bases which 39 of them Dodgers left him stranded and 6 making it home..
@@salvadorgarza1595 Thank you. I’ve said this a few times, in 2024 Judge was the better player, Ohtani was the more marketable one. Honestly, Ohtani was just the 3rd best player in baseball this year to Judge and Witt.
To be honest, I want to dye the country of cricket into baseball
No need to compare both are great just embrace them
If both of them are healthy, Ohtani is definitely a better overall player. No doubt!
Wrong
Yet Ohtani is injured and he is still in this convo imagine if he was healthy.
@@Dischingo his batting stats would be much lower then
Agree 100%
They were both healthy in 2022 and who won MVP? What season did Ohtani pitch and hit in that was better than Judge's 2022 and 2024 seasons? The answer is none.
AS A NEW YORKER ...I'TS OHTANI.......QUIT HATING ASIANS....GEEWHIZ.
Wrong
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@@occam5375 nope
Snowflake
@@doublem1975x lol
you need to redo the video, Shohei is 52-52 now
Judge is not a top tier outfielder. Shohei loss his MVP a couple of years ago to Judge even though he had much better stats than Judge other than record HRs. Going by the same logic, Shohei's new 50/50 record should win the MVP.
He didn't have better stats other than HR. He also trailed, significantly, in ISO, RBI, OBP, SLG, OPS, OPS+, wRC+, bWAR, fWAR... And the WAR for Judge was just him hitting. And it was higher than Ohtani had with his hitting and pitching WAR combined. And this season, Ohtani has Judge on steals and triples, Judge tops him everywhere else and not by a small amount. And judge may not be top tier defensively, but he is still an above be average defender at a premium defensive position. He has no errors,gets a good jump on the ball, is better at robbing homers than anybody, has an absolute cannon that the league has learned not to run on.
@@snerdtergusonOhtani had a 2.33 ERA that year
11 strikeouts per 9 innings
34 homeruns and 95 RBIs
15 and 9 record on a 73 and 89 team
@DylanF.B Ohtani could have had more than 20 win that season if his team didn't blow so many save opportunities.
@@snerdterguson That's true but Ohtani was a top 5 pitcher that year
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Ohtani has been leading off most of the year which is why he doesn’t have more RBIs and they are on the same pace for total homeruns
JUDGE & OHTANI are both a privilege to witness.🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿
Make it 52 homeruns and 52 steals. Hes going to get more homeruns than judge this year which would be insane comeback
Doesn't hurt that Judge has 2 homeruns this month.
Judge had 11 more HR Ohtani at some point. That's an insane come back. Judge slumped yeah, but so did Ohtani. Much of the year Ohtani had a 1.1 ops.
Ohtani has 52 hr one more today
Judge is better at the plate. You take Judge.~~ I will take Ohtani anytime. All the time.
Ohtani has 6 more triples than Judge.
As an Ohtani fan, I’d still give Judge MVP based on total production this season. But Ohtani is the best player in baseball, period.
Same. Just wait for 100% healthy Ohtani back
That “if he wanted to” argument is crazy. If he could do something to help his team win more games then he would, because he already wants to win more games. Judge is not a good enough runner to steal more than 20 bases. And even if he did he would have a lot worse of a steal % than Ohtani and be running into outs all the time as a result, costing his team games.
Ohtani’s 50+ SB is both an amazing number of steals and he is not costing his team by going for it because he is so good at it to begin with. Unselfish baseball while chasing a milestone.
Ohtani has a 92.87% success rate. That's good for top 5 ever for seasons with 40+ steals I believe. Ichiro has the highest ever at 95.74%. That's an absurd thing to do for a player who is 6'4 and has 52 hrs. Acuna only had an 83.9% success rate last year. That should help put the stolen bases into perspective.
Where was this energy for stolen bases last year? When Acuna jr. had 74? De la Cruz has 65. Why is ohtani 50 better than there’s? Oh, Acuna jr. also had 43 home runs.
@Sincere765-ht5bn 41 hr is a decent amount. 53 hr and is way better than 73 stolen bases. There have only been 32 seasons ever with 53+ hrs. If ohtani hits 55 it will be the 22nd ever. There have been 109 73 steal seasons and 307 seasons of 41+ hrs. 12 more hr is a much harder thing to do than the stolen bases. I'm sorry my guy. Acuna is great. Bit his season was no where near as insane.
Judge doesn't need to steal bases. His bat his far superior to the rest of baseball. That's like asking why didn't Barry Bonds get 50 steals when he was winning MVP's year after year. He didn't need to.
@@TheRexrapper sure but need and want are separate, is he not just a better player if he gets more steals. And why would he want want that. He obviously does, he’s doing everything he can do
😂 Haters! When you say I don't want to take anything away bla bla, your taking away lol, Ohtani is a much better player than Judge!
When he pitches yes. Remind me again what Ohtani’s splits are vs Judge’s?
The only reason you guys are bringing this up is because you're new yorkers!
right now is 52 /51
52/52
52/53
@@HdHa-os3dn today gonna be 54/54
Did you guys hear the Interview Judge gave a few days ago about Ohtani. Judge brought out the fact that what Ohtani is doing this year while recovering from tommy john is unbelievable. That's from one goat to the other. I know these guys are playing the good cop bad cop for likes, but come on. Be a little more respectful
only 41 more bases?...these are NY bias clowns
Judge had 70 less at bats
You mean the Yankees announcer who was viciously slandering Ohtani at the beginning of the season, and never apologized, favors Judge?! UA-cam, how do I block this channel?
JUST UNSUBSCRIBE!!!!!
The “he could steal more bases if he wanted to” statement is the stupidest thing to say….then there would be a lot more for 40/40 this year but guess what?! Noo he can not steal bases if he wanted too
Aaron Judge: WAR: 10.3 AB: 545 H: 176 HR: 55 BA: 323 RBI: 138 OBP: 458 SLG: 695 OPS: 1.154
Shohei Ohtani: WAR: 8.4 AB: 611 H: 184 HR: 53 BA: 301 RBI: 123 OBP: 383 SLG: 640 OPS: 1.023 - Judge beats Ohtani in 7 out of 9 categories! Ohtani beats judge in 2 out of 9 categories! - If we are truly being objective, Judge is the clear winner with 66 less at bats!
As a Cubs fan Im not denying Judge is better offensively but Ohtani is a better player, he has power and speed can go 50-50 that's an all around player, and he's also an Ace pitcher that can win 15 games with a 2.33 ERA. And Ohtani won the MVP uninimously twice over Judge.
@@yosefyahu4778 You’re forgetting base stealing stats which can change the outcome of the game. See Ricky Henderson Jays World Series. You forgetting his singles+base stealing to put himself in RISP. Excluding base running stats is unfair. He has more total bases, extra base hits, triples (would be hr at Yankees stadium), hits, less ground out dbl plays cuz he runs faster, he has more at bats because he’s a lead off hitter - much harder to get RBI but score more hence more Runs than Judge, better strikeout rate leads to better BB/K, on and on. And the most important footnote: He’s in rehab since start of season. If this doesn’t speak most valuable, then the award is a joke. He could have sat out the whole season to heal.
Whoever brought more fans to watch you play win the MVP.
It’s easy to settle this with the good old fashioned American way, one on one, let them pitch and hit against each other with no outside help, I bet my money on Ohtani.
I bet my house on Ohtani
@@G4MBIT 🤣 👍
Wow that is the nail in the coffin
For this debate
😂
Idk judge would crush ohtani pitching where ass ohtani strikes out alot
I’ll take a guy who hits 50+ hr and steals 50+
Don’t forget he’s a pitcher on rehab
@@CharlieLucky24 I'll take the guy with more home runs , higher average , more RBI 275 putouts and 9 outfield assists.
WAY WAY more valuable of a player
If Ohtani was a Yankee he would have more Home runs because it’s a shorter porch than Dodgers stadium. That’s a fact.
Sure stealing bases is a little easier but that goes towards everyone including Judge and he’s not stealing more.
It's not like Judge can't steal bases, he's stolen 10...tell Judge to steal more bases next year and break Ohtani's record, ok?🤣🤡
Judge would have to learn to pitch as well
Tell Ohtani to get his OPS anywhere near the vicinity of Judge and then this would be more of a conversation.
Exactly. 🤡
@@TheRexrapperhow many career wins does judge have
@@curves2211 Ohtani isn't pitching this year
Otani will be the NL MVP and Judge will be the AL MVP!! Both are MVPs!
Who is total MVP??
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Anyone who takes 50% of their at bats in the Yankees stadium needs to take this into account. So many of Ohtani’s fly outs are at the wall. Yankees Stadium is a hitters park.
Yankee stadium is a neutral park
Judge don’t have cheap home runs. Lame argument.
I'd agree if Judge didn't hit bombs
See Stanton hr in 2017 as a Yankee.
Correction: he was still a Marlin. My mistake. But still Yankees Stadium is top hitters ballpark in MLB. According to Odds Shark Betting, Yankees Stadium is the best MLB ballpark for hitters resulting in better hitting stats. Rated 198 HR factor. The league avg is 100. The right field has a whopping distance of 315ft only. The dbl by Ohtani last night to the right field would have resulted in a HR at Yankees stadium. Dodger stadium ranked 17th on the list with a Hr factor of 95 below avg as a hitters park.
Ohtani has the same power as Judge, and I rather have a player with power and speed steal 50 bases than a guy making 1 or 2 catches in the outfield standing like a statue.
When Ohtani hits 62 then we can take about the same power.
It’s Shohei GoatAni by a block!
Judge plays in Yankee Stadium... that place is made for HRs.
Judges average Hr is 407ft. That's a homer in every stadium
52/52 Oh and Ohtani does it all in a Dodgers stadium so is not fair, he would do way more in a Yankees one
Nope he’d have lesss. Judge would have more. Judge has the most no doubters and he doesn’t really hit home runs at home
I respect players who is playing great defense, but everyone is saying Ohtani is a DH and not playing defense like Lindor or Judge.
Maybe Ohtani's performance has shocked all these commentators and made them forgot about 1 thing. SHOHEI OHTANI is in REHAB!
I have a lot of respect for Judge homer hitting ability, and performed like a great athlete. But when Ohtani is pitching in 2022, Shohei's WAR combined is dwarfing all the other players. Then all commentators were bragging about 62HRs has never been done without steroid. Why those 5 to 8 HRs make that much difference than all the quality starts a 2-Way Player can bring to the mound is beyond my understanding. But it was an extraordinary accomplishment for Judge and MLB. So is 50-50 for Shohei Ohtani.
They should have this conversation end of season with final stats. 8 more games left, then have your debate.
"it's a lot easier steal bases due to rule change" yeah?? Its alot easier to hit homerun with that little league stadium!!
It so easy y ain’t the who league doing it ?
Lmao
They make it sound like it is so hard to play in the outfield. Playing in the outfield is like being a DH lol. Hardest position are being a pitcher, ss, catcher and batter. If Ohtani was in the outfield, he kill it too. Bring on the excuses, ain't nothing stopping the GOAT.
I’ll take the pitcher who hits 50 plus home runs . Y’all can have judge
He's got speed and an arm and I'm sure he's learned how to catch a ball by now. He'd probably be an awesome outfielder if that's what he was asked to do.
Shohei is so much more valuable to the team that the team chooses to preserve him by not playing him in the field. It's not like Ohtani can't field, those who have seen him in Japan has said he's an elite defender with a cannon throw (obviously) - but they choose not to play him in the field because he's so valuable in other departments (i.e. pitching).
I've always thought WAR is a nonsense statistic. Judge is having a great year, and his average and RBIs are better than Ohtani, but Shohei has scored more runs (125 vs. 114), has more TB (383 vs. 368), more extra-base hits (93 vs. 89), more triples, and is one HR behind Judge, while stealing 50+ bases. Shohei will likely finish the season with more HRs. It isn't even close as to who the MVP would be--Ohtani is baseball superman
It's not just that...judge has a better average...more HR for now ..more RBIs...better OBP...better slugging %...better OPS...more 2B hits...127 walks which is way more then ohtani s 78...60 less AB then ohtani ...ohtani only has 10 more Runs then him and more SB and 6 more hits...ohtani is definitely the best player in baseball because he can hit and pitch...but this year he's DH and not pitching or playing the outfield...in my opinion judge is offensively better then ohtani
@@jmlive10 Ohtani went 4-5 today, and is now batting over .300 with 53 HRs. He also stole 2 more bases and could become the first 50-60 player. He could also reach 400+ total bases for the season, and 100+ extra-base hits, something Judge has never done. Aside from walking more, and a higher BA, Judge has nothing on Ohtani
You think it is a nonsense statistic because it doesn't fit your narrative. If Ohtani was leading in WAR over Judge you wouldn't think that.
Players have done what Judge is doing. Ohtani is doing what no one in the history of MLB is doing.
That's like saying players have done what Barry Bonds was doing. That might be the case Ohtani did something no one else has done but that doesn't make him the best. What do I mean when I say that? What season has Ohtani had that is better than Judge's 2022 and 2024 seasons? If they were in the same league this year, does Ohtani win MVP over Judge? That's my point.
Judge is OPSing 150 points higher than Ohtani. That's a massive gap in production. Levels.
Correct! and irrelevant. Ohtani is having the more remarkable season. Judge is having the better.
he say it easy to steal base but yet no one in the mlb steal lots of base
lol exactly, it’s easier to steal with today’s bigger base and pitching clock, but yet why aren’t more players stealing bases?
Judge lazy ass needs to start stealing bases
@@Phat-rj3jobecause stealing bases is not just on speed alone. It also comes with intelligence and patience to study the pitcher and catcher and the time when to steal or not to steal. That is why he has a higher percentage in steals.
@@sherwincervantes yeah you are making my point, naysayers are saying Ohtani’s base stealing isn’t that impressive because it’s easier to steal nowadays.
@@Phat-rj3johaters g9nna hate no matter what..they just downplay ohtani achiement
"if judge wanted to he could steal more bases..."🤣
the New York coping, seething, and disbelief.. love to see it
If a football player is only 1 behind the lead touchdown leader with also 52 interseptions while also being a top five Quarterback
You wouldn’t have him as your mvp and give it the guy with 1 more touchdown is insane😂
I believe Ohtani would be better if hes full healthy on both side. Ohtani probably hits the best DH season and will get MVP, but this season I choose Judge, look at the WAR, the OPS, the fielding, cant ignore becuz of 50/50... From Ohtani fan 😊
Judge is a Beast. But Ohtani is UNREAL. 63HRs ain’t nothing new , that’s child’s play in the NL. 50/50+ now, that’s new. The Value will always be in an Ace that can slug, or I’m taking the DH that gives me 50/50+ unless u giving me 74homers?
63HRs is new. That's pure record without steroid.
@@정제이슨-i1f with that logic, everything is new to u then 😒🙄
It's funny people keep bringing up "o Aaron judge plays defensive" I wonder if they look at his Numbers they rank among the worse for center fielders his DRS -6 ranks 20th out of the 22 his OAA -6 is 22nd but offensively he is a beast...o and that NY Athletes bs he mention is false if anything being a Yankee gets you move coverage
I can tell the guy in the middle just DON'T want to give Ohtani credit! looool
These guys completely overlook Ohtani's Tommy John's surgery. It's been a year and he's played the whole season as DH doing what he does in recover. Wake up.
I think Ohtani is overall better
But when Aaron Judge is on fire nooooo baseball player is on his level one of the closest players we ever got to Bonds Judge production is out worldly
But Ohtani is a goat man he's special both guys are but Ohtani is special especially being Japanese we never see Asian guys put up numbers like this year after year
Another aspect they overlooked is hitting when it matters. Most of the HR by Judge came in a losing game. Ohtani, despite his low BA in RISP seems to hit his HR when it matters. Come playoff time we shall see who is really hardcore.
Switching to $? Dodgers made $,$$$,$$$,$$$ , mlb teams made $$$,$$$,$$$ when Shohei showed up at their stadiums. Not even mentioned tourist industry also benefited by Shohei. He plays pure and hustles with passion like little league . Total package at elite levels on both ends of the ball.
Not playing defense and no defense are two completely differnt concepts.
I hate people trying to mix differnt things up to pretend they are the same thing.
That''s lying.
Some bad politicians likes to do this.
1+1 is not 11
Ohtani would win the MVP for the same reason DiMaggio won the MVP over Williams in 1941. Williams had the superior statistics but DiMaggio had the signature feat in the 56 game hitting streak. The 50/50 is like that for Ohtani.
Die hard yankee and judge fan but ohtani is the better player
Watching these idiots is trying to make a case for Judge.
They don't need to make a case for Judge. If they were in the same league Judge is the MVP.
All you need to know is that Judge played everyday. Judge carried his team. Biggest FACT: 2022 Yankees went on an historic collapse after the All-Star break. Aaron Judge carried that team into a division title with 62 Home Runs. Ohtani on the other hand played with Mike Trout and other good/mid guys and never had an at-bat in the playoffs. Judge is better. Judge is the best player in baseball everybody knows it. MLB glazes Ohtani because of the international value. Judge is far superior, even in 2024.
As you already know by now, Shohei Ohtani has something specially dramatic that any other “great” “star” baseball player cannot have.
You cannot evaluate the greatness of Ohtani by only comparing each stat he is not No. 1 against his “great” contenders because Shohei Ohtani is the one-of-a-kind “Superstar” in the Baseball universe right now.
When Ohtani was pitching for Angeles, he still ran like crazy to gain hits. Not stealing bases so much but he wasn't saving his base running.
As dodger fan trust without his base stealing we would have struggled to score runs
Ohtani would be MVP in the American League if he was playing in the AL I am big all rise fan but Ohtani is on a different level.
Aron is the best hitter.
Ohtani is the baseball and all round player in top level from mlb league with pitching. running, hitting.
That's the freaking point.!! Ohtani wasn't pitching this season so to keep himself busy and motivated he decides to go for 40 40 then 50 50 in this one free season that he has and he did it!!! Who else would set a goal and nab it if it isn't ohtani!!! No one!! Not even judge if he wanted to
Something tells me these guy are judge fans
Ask the players. Ask people who actually play the game. It looks a lot easier watching the game.
Ohtani is S tier Pitcher,Hitter and Outfielder,let that sink in!!!
JUDGE IS ONE OF THEM.
OHTANI IS ONLY ONE THAT IS GRAND CANYON,THE MEANING OF OHTANI.
I LIKE GRAND CANYON MAKING AMAZING STORIES.
The better player is Ohtani. The better hitter is Judge. Their both incredible but ohtani is more impressive because of all the tools he has. Put it like this you're comparing one of the top pitchers in baseball bat to the best hitter in baseball bat. Thats not supposed to happen.
Exactly these dudes like Kay, Russo, Jon Heyman, Steven A, Wilson, et al all are hating on Shohei and have been for years. Hands down any GM in baseball would take Ohtani
Ohtani 55 SB this year, Judges whole carrer 53 SB 🤦♂
Judge is OPSing 150 points higher than Ohtani. That's the gap between a fringe MLBer and an MLB AS. Ohtani just doesn't have the offensive talent to match Judge. Levels.
And Bert Campaneris had more steals than Babe Ruth!
Judge is the better hitter. Ohtani is the better baseball player.
Are we doing this again? LOL
Put it this way... If Judge had Tommy John surgery last season... He would be out this year.
GOATani is breaking and making records in a rehab season. Shohei isn't the NL MVP. He's THEE MVP... Period!
Judge has a -9 DRS and defense replacement is so much easier to get than offensive replacement. I think is skews WAR against DH too much. Ohtani is at 52-52 right now. If he hits more home runs than judge and has 45 more SBs than Judge then IDK why Judge's poor performance in CF would make him better.
Lets the kid pitch one game... Game over...
It's alot easier to steal bases😂
Ohtani makes his own class of 50 50
the day Judge learns how to pitch
we can have the convo
of who's better
if it's so easy why are there only 2 baseball players who are over 50 SB's this year? 🤣
@@ep9691 I was referring to what the commentator said how easy it was to SB's
yet Ohtani is the only dude in the 50 50 club
Who's the Better Player? I love them both. Offensive I think Judge is better and he is an above average outfielder. But overall when both are healthy I would take Ohtani, because he is an ace level pitcher and a great hitter and baserunner also he is doing things that will probably never see it again. In the future we will see a few players like Judge but probably no players like Ohtani.
check out top 20 position player wars in the mlb....13 from the AL, 7 from the NL....if ohtani were in the AL, his war would be SO much higher. the NL is stacked this year, that's why the fact that his war is +1.1 higher than 2nd best chapman (vs. judge at +0.5 vs. witt) is that impressive.
Are they blind? Although Judge is a phenomenal player, no player achieved 50-50 before Ohtani over 120 years history
You all have to remember Ohtani is recovering from a Tommy John like surgery that routine is hard to recover from and for him to continue to do what he’s doing is crazy. That being said It would be close with Judge getting the bettter
I think having that recent game. Dubbed “the best Game ever played” puts Ohtani over the edge
There's only 2 players this year with over 50 stolen bases, it's ohtani and de la cruz. It's easier, but it's not that much easier
How can you state, “it’s a lot easier stealing bases,” when there are only 2 players over 50 SB’s? I honestly believe even if Ohtani passes Judge’s HR’s this season. These 3 would STILL vote for Judge as overall MVP! That’s how biased these 3 are. 🤡 show
70 million $/year vs 40 million $/year
We can tell which is better
Switching to $? Dodgers made $,$$$,$$$,$$$ , mlb teams made $$$,$$$,$$$ when Shohei showed up at their stadium. Not even mentioned tourist industry also benefited by Shohei. He plays pure and hustles with passion like little league . Total package at elite levels on both ends of the ball.
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If it’s alot easier stealing bases then WHY doesn’t Judge do it?!?!? Why has NO one gone 50/50 before? These 3 are having dumb takes. Judge wanted too steal bases he would? The DO IT!!! Gimme a break!
Ohtani is Multi-Dimensional Player and an Ace at it.
Ohtani is better if he pitches. But he’s not, and Judge beats him in every virtually category this season other than stolen bases.
First of all Ohtani is pitcher with Tommy John. Also not trying to take anything off Judge but u gotta also consider NY is def. hitters HR park vs Chavez Ravine known for pitchers park
Do they not know Ohtani also knows how to play the outfield?
Who first created the 50/50 club?the one and only... SHOHEI OHTANI
THAT'S HISTORY!!!!!!no one will remember Judge's accomplishments this year in 50 years 😊
Ohtani is beyond stats.
How many people start to watch baseball games because of his unreal performance?
To me he is the MVP of baseball.
He’d better be beyond stats. He’s not even in the same ballpark with Judge and Witt in WAR and he’s more than 40 pts behind Judge in wRC+. But Shohei used to pitch!
The people have spoken! 📣📣📣
Judge plays defense and should be the mvp. Ohtani only bats DH. Now when Ohtani starts pitching again then its a diffrent story.
Events like this makes me wish the Dodgers were still in Brooklyn !!
Go Showtime Ohtani !!
Go Mets!
Baseball is very easily quantified by our well established numbering system. The higher the numbers... The better the player. It's not even debatable that Judge is better on EVERYTHING except lame SB's.
Ohtani is also selfishly clogging up the DH spot so the other guys on his team can't get the half day off.
Just for the record, the more home runs you hit, the fewer stolen bases you can get. They're literally contrary stats.
This is the equivalent of the 9mm vs .45ACP debate. The whole idea is silly.
Any team/gm would take ohtani every single time.