Single Pin Bow Sight Hack!! | One Pin Setting For Your Whitetail Setup
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
- Single pin bow sights can catch a bad rep from whitetail hunters. You probably know a fellow bow hunter who has said something like "You constantly have to pay attention to your pin setting, range over and over and hope you have the right pin setting when that deer stops and offers a shot." All true, BUT, Garret Armstrong has a super effective way to help you dial in one pin setting for your effective range on your whitetail setup.
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That’s very interesting. You can do the same thing if you measure your center arrow shaft to center peep height at full draw, get the arrow speed at 36” in front of the rest with a chrono, and accurate arrow weight. From there just plug the data into a ballistic calculator (my Luepold range finder has one built in) that you can find on the internet. A nice graph results that will show you the exact arc of your arrow. By the way, the reason you’ll hold dead on at short range is that the arc intersects the aim point at two different yardages, one as it passed up from the rest through the aim point, and another as it descends from the arc of flight and intersects the aim point. The graph described will show you both, or you can just find it by shooting at various yardages using your pin, stepping out one yard at a time from 8, until you have a perfect aim point shot. Keep stepping and you’ll map the curve right on your target. It is worth noting that as you point out you are 4.5 inches high at 20, and that might be the peak of your arc, so at 14 you might be only 2” high and at 25 only 2” high. If you want to make target accurate shots on deer, there is a lot to know in advance (this data plus the ranges of landmarks around your stand) and a lot to think about all while your adrenaline is haywire and a deer is marching by.
Very good stuff! Thanks for sharing!
Awesome info ty for the knowledge
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Its called maximum point blank range. Used often in rifles.
I loved this video. I've always preferred a 1 pin setup but never broke it down so precisely. I will now.
Trich Wells Good deal! Hopefully it helps!!
I really like the concept.
I did my one pin on a cardboard silhouette of a deer. 30 yds is max for me so felt the pin dead on at 25 was good.
At closer range it was easier to see the target and adjust where to shoot.
I feel really confident any where in that range. Also shoot at the cardboard target and not dots have better feel where to shoot on the body.
Thks.
This actually really helps me with hunting mulies out here in AZ. It’s often tough to stalk them closer than 40yds. Sometimes we ambush them from a ground blind if we have a really good spot. I am not confident at super long shots here, so figuring out my effective range and knowing where to hold is a great method. Might even use a 2x or 4x lens to dial in my hold over/under a little more precisely. Thanks!
-Nick 😃👍
Awesome, glad you found this helpful! Good luck chasing the mulies!!
Like others have already stated, I've used a single fixed vertical pin (or crosshair) for 30+ years. I have never owned a slider sight or multiple pins. When crunch time comes, I believe in keeping things simple. I become a better shooter when my instincts take over. Deer (& turkeys) are unpredictable. This past week, I have been trying something new. I am shooting an EZ V sight for the first time, but I customized it to having one set of tick marks @ 20 yards. Now, I am shooting like my single fixed pin, but with the added benefit of using the V to help guide me with longer shots. If you like to kill targets, I suggest using a rangefinder & pins. If you want to harvest game, I suggest looking into the EZ V sight. I am not interested in how good my groups are @ 30 yards (or whatever known distance). I am interested in how good my groups are at unknown distances within 40 yards, because that's hunting for me! "Frame it & claim it" - This is how an EZ V sight works. I find visualizing a basketball inside the "V" makes me instinctually punch the center of the vitals at unknown distances, & that's what hunting is all about!
Good stuff, man! With quality content, I subscribed
chadandveronika Thanks! Glad to have ya!
I started shooting single pin 3 years ago been bow hunting 37 years 95 % of my deer shot at 20 yards or less. Last year had to shoot a second arrow at a wounded deer at 50 yards sure glad l could dial it in to clean up my first shot.
I have been using a single pin for over 30 years but have never done the math like this lol. 1 pin is a great way to hunt.
Yes sir, you just move the pin. They are quite.
Is there an easier way to sight in a single pin. I want to sight my single pin to 10 20 30 40 50 60 yards and only know that I have to start at upper half for the 10y mark. Lol
This is some awesome info! I would have never thought of doing this but I will be now
Glad you found it helpful! Thanks for watching!
Set for 30yds...... 20 yards hold at belly, at 40 hold on back
Exactly what I was taught by my old man
One reason I love my double single pin lol I got 20 and 30 ready to go
Great data and execution. We are fortunate to have superior archery products available to minimize the "gap". A far cry from my old Martin Warthog...nice work.
We certainly are fortunate! Thanks for watching!
I have mine set at 30 and shoot top inside of heart and I’m good even at 40 . Most deer start to Load and drop at 40 anyways. It’s worked for years.
Great job! Awesome video.
Thanks!
Great video thank you for sharing!
Brandon C Thanks for watching!
I’ve always used a single pin since I started shooting in my early 20’s, I’m accurate out to 50+ yards with one pin . I shoot a fast bow 2016 Pse Dream Season Decree, enough said
I like your choice 😉 in bows.......
I do this something, but I do it on deer targets........
The scientific method,I like it!!
I use this on my vortex ffp sight . Quick blip with the rangefinder and raise or drop simples
Good advice
Great video, I just started shooting a single pin. this will help
Happy to hear it! Good luck to you this fall!
i know this is an older video now but its still one of the best. wanted to add a tip in case it can help somebody. i converted a 5 pin sight to a one pin sight by removing three pins. i left one additional pin to use as a ranging pin. if the belly to back is inside of the two pins the deer is either outside of my range for acceptable drop or too small for me to wanna shoot, if the whitetails body is outside of the distance of my two pins, i know its inside of my shooting range, then i just drop to my top pin and let it fly. im definitely better now than i was a few years ago at judging distance but the pins help me reinforce my choice quickly while calming the nerves to deliver a confident shot.
Thanks for sharing!
I shoot a fixed 5 pin sight for 3d. Pin 1is 10 to 15 pin 2 is 21 pin 3 is 27 pin4 is 32 and pin 5 is 39. The first pin is set at the highest point of trajectory.
I'm just looking into getting started with archery. Buddy of mine let me borrow his spare CB so I can start training before I start spending cash into my setup!
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Grey M Welcome! To the channel, and the wonderful world of archery! We’re glad to have you! Also, good friend you have there helping you get started!
Good stuff. Thanks for sharing. Same concept as setting ‘’Battle Sight Zero” for combat. Principles of marksmanship never change. Time tested, combat proven.
Amen Brother!
Just switched to a 1 pin. I understand now. Great video. I like that everyone has to put their 2 cents in! But where are their videos? Thanks
Lol! We hear that! Thanks for watching!
I leave my HHA set at 25 yds, I'm good from 5-33yds ... to 40 yds by holding level on the deer's back .. I shoot a lot at un known distances at 3D targets, I am deadly this way ... faster is better for this, I'm at 289fps/430 Velocity XT
U successfully made me dizzy with all that lol. Seems like a great way to over complicate stick and string. 🍻
It can be slightly confusing, and certainly not for everyone. But, it is beneficial for some!
Really useful as just ordered my first single pin sight. Can I as what sight you're using in this video?
interesting concept, but I like the reasoning for it. going to try this
It is different, but if you prefer a single pin and are worried about getting caught in the moment of truth, it can certainly be helpful!
Excellent
😁
I found 27 yards is my sweat spot out to 40 with 30 inch draw at 70 lbs
Listen this is NOT for EVERYBODY... however I shot a single pin for 10 years straight and can HONESTLY say that in a short time I was good out to 50 yards easily and even 60 or 70 pretty comfortable.It simply takes practice.I have a 4 pin sight currently but I hate it.So I ordered a single pin. Hey man, to each their own!!!
I’ve been doing this for a couple years now, it’s funny how it’s not intuitive for a lot of people. All it is, is knowing your over/under.
I leave my pin at 30, at 10 yards it’s 4” high, at 35 yards it’s 4” low. Any farther than that and I should be dialing to the exact yard. That was shooting about 290fps. I built heavier arrows this year, need to find my new pin setting. That just takes an afternoon.
Yea heavier arrows will certainly change your pin setting.
I've done this, but with my 460 gr. arrow, it's about impossible. I use 28 yard pin setting, and 35 is my max. If a deer is further than that, I should be able to adjust my pin to that range and make a shot. With my sight set at 28 yards, I will still be in the 10 ring on an IBO deer from 20 yards to 35 yards. Heavier arrows are a problem with this system, if your goal is to not to be holding over or under.
Multi pin works too
This is effective but a little much to think about for me when the pressure is on . I have a spot Hogg fast eddie XL single post with second dot. I shoot a 70 lb Bowtech SR6. Pretty fast flat shooting bow. By keeping pin at 20 yards and using second dot my effective hunting range is pretty much covered. On second thought I have missed one of my target buck two straight seasons so maybe I should give it a try.
Love my Fast Eddie XL
Give it a try! It might just help you out!
I have the same pin and love it. You should just know how far above the second dot or below the second dot to hold over for different ranges if it’s not the same range as your second dot shoots.
I have a slider because its dialed into 80yd 2x everything im good to 160yd with 1” groups
im shooting single pin for long time
If your bow was closer to square the window would be smaller. I used to knock a touch high....cuz the pros said to....
Also you can add a second dot with finger nail polish dead on your 40 mark
Billy Whitley Good tip!
Been hunting with a single pin for years. Dialed in at 30 yards the shot is 2" high at 20 yards and drops 6" at 40. Adjust your aim point accordingly. I mark the pin location with a small dab of colored nail polish and keep an extra pin down low that can be replace the original pin if it happens to get damaged.
Keep It Simple Stupid
My new spot Hogg 2 dot single pin works great for this. Tip dot is 20 yards. Botttom dot is 35 yards. I can know the pin gap at 25 and 30. And how much it drops from my 35 yard pin to 40.
Nic Schaalma Awesome! Good luck this fall!
What sight are you using?
My magic number was 24 yrd shooting 70lbs with a 430 grain . that being said, I was setting up for 99 percent of shots being within 30. Most of my bow kills are inside 20, be mindful of where your hunting and your conditions when you do this. practice the gap and you can shoot 10 hole all day long
Yessir!!
1 inch high at 20 yds. 1 low at 30 at 260 fps my setup ancient PSE single cam 2002 model
Dang u doing some Kentucky windage😂 if not your dead on God go kill a deer
@@calvinburns6024 no pin set 1 in high at 20 yds equals 3 low at 30yds at 260 fps from ground , but when you 15_ 20 ft up a tree 1 inch low or less at 30 yd ,
I thought I was the baddest MF with a bow till I saw Tim Wells hunting show
I just switched to a mover single pin and plan to do something similar but I am gonna try to find a good spot between 20-30/35 yards that is minimal difference high and low. If I am unable to do so or if animal falls outside of that range I will either dial to range or pass on shot. Owe it to animal to make a clean ethical kill.
Agreed! Confidence in your setup certainly helps make ethical shots!
Dan Coppage set your pin for 27 yards. I’ll bet that gets you very close to what you want to accomplish. You might have to tweak it a little, but it will be very close.
greg nicholas that’s kinda what I was thinking also. I literally just got sight this week and leveled 2nd 3rd axis hoping to get out and work on it tomorrow.
@@dancoppage5592 Let us know how it works out!
@@dancoppage5592 I used to use this method and 27 was my magic number. I've helped others try this too. It seemed like they were all within 1 yard of what worked for me. That's why I recommended it as a starting point. Good luck with your endeavor and let me know what you wound up with.
The best advice I could give a hunter whether they’re new to archery or experienced. Go and shoot 3D tournaments. They will teach you more about shooting under pressure, how to judge yardages, how your setups work in different situations! And they are a lot of fun! You will get more confidence by doing it than just shooting at a bale in your backyard!
Great advice!
As others have said I to having been shooting a single pin for many years. The best method I have found is to zero it in a 25 yards. The bows theses days will shoot flat to 35 yards. That being said If a deer comes in at 20 yards put the pin on it and it want be just a little high, and if he comes in at 30+ yards it will just be a little low. Either way the difference is very little
Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Bows dont shoot flat to 35 yds
But we ain’t pitching horse shoes and hand grenades your hitting the broad side of a deer. Right arrow and speed yes they shoot 35 yards flat
HB, you should look at a graph of trajectory for your arrow speed and weight. You’ll see exactly how high or low.
Nice video. What sight are you using?
Shrew Optum Scope, B3 sight. Links to both in the description!
I know this is a little off subject, but I’m curious about the target you’re shoot into. Did you make it or buy it, and where can I find one or the materials to build it?
I’d like to know too!
I want to know also
It is a block target we are shooting into. I have added a link to it in the description. They are not cheap, but they last forever. We have not built any like this before so not sure where you could find materials to do so, although, they're probably out there!
When I shot a compound I only used one pin with a big peep sight. Sighted it to 15 with the pin at the bottom of the peep and used the rest of the peep as elevation for different ranges and killed deer out to 43 yards. It became almost instinctive with practice where to put the pin at different distances
That random skip from 20yards to 40yards was a bit odd, I thought I skipped by accident.
Good way to do it to is measure the width of the body of the deer so you know exactly how wide he or she is.
What did you build that target from or is it bought?
That is a block target.
This is why a 3 pin slider is such a better option. No compromise or holding over for drop. In my opinion and set up with a heavier hunting arrow there is too much drop from a 20 to 40 yard shot to effectively set up a “point blank” zero like you are doing in this video. You definitely are going to sell some three pin sliders though lol
Yup, setup is everything. Just showing guys and gals another option for a single pin!
What camera are u using to film this?
We are using a Nikon z6 and/or z7. With a 24-70 F2.8 lens (mostly). We also use a DJI Ronin as a gimbal for the camera setup, it works great for this setup and getting good clean moving shots. I added links to our camera gear setup in the description of the video!.. Sorry for the delayed response!
This is why i use a 3 pin slider spot and stalk feral goats in spain or hunting whitetail in mexico there ia no time to move yor sight or do all this math
most deer are shot at 20 yards and in. hitting 4.5 inches high at that range in addition to the normal 4-6 inches of drop that is normal of a deer shot at by a bow moves your point of impact up by 10.5 inches. Math looks good on paper until all variables are taken into consideration.
I here what your saying, but I wouldn't go that far,I think this is educational, especially for a beginner archer.Also not every deer drops how ever many inches, some dont drop at all???
Been shooting single pin fast eddie at 80 yards but at 100 my pins too low to be seen out of the peephole .. I'm stumped
I could increase draw weight but I'm at 65lbs , moving my peephole down would have me shooting lower
Any suggestions?
You could get a larger peep. Really depends on your set up. Hypothetically.. a slower bow, at 65lbs, shorter draw length and a relatively heavy arrow could all have that arrow dropping quite a bit at 80 and especially 100 yards. Making it impossible to get that 100 yard pin to stay within the peep. A lot of variables there to pin point one thing to change.
Very true, I was focused on getting everything from 20 to the 150 ,, to start at 60 and go up wasnt something I thought of
28"draw , bowtech invasion with drop away ... I'll let ya know if it works .. I dont hunt so I dont need worry bout hurting an animal for bad shots .. just a hobby
@@matthewdenty7760 Archery is an awesome hobby! Let us know if you get it dialed in!
20% imbaresed 80% hyped
Moved the peep up tight to the coil , less than an inch on the draw string, set the sight to 80 and shot out of curiosity... over the target
Moved to 100.. thunk it the wood Moved to 120 and my 80 mark is 8 inches above center... next day no wind I'm setting target at 150 and remarking my dial... thank you tremendously
@@matthewdenty7760 Awesome! We're glad you got it dialed in!
With the single pin at 34, how high will the impact be at 5, 10, and 15 yards? How does being 15-20 feet high affect the POA/POI?
I love the data points, but for me there’s a lot of unanswered questions in this video.
That's where you'll have to do your own field work. Most of those questions could be asked about a regular sight.
On modern archery equipment 0-20 yards is generally going to be the same pin setting. So, in this instance, a 34 yard pin setting would hit just as high at 5,10, and 15 yards as at 20 yards.. POI with a 34 yard pin setting and a 20 yard shot in a 15 foot tree stand is going to be the same measurement as the data point collected when shooting the 34 yard pin setting at 20 yards on flat ground. Garret did mention that you need you second and third axis' set on your sight before doing this to be as accurate as possible.
this is where your range finder with angle compensation and bending at the waist in the stand comes into play
what is that backstop made of?
Its just a big block target. Block being the brand - it is foam.
My bow shoots so far off to the right if I were to try and move my pin to correct my shot I wouldn’t see my pin. Has anyone else encountered this?
I would check your rest. Knock an arrow to the bow and look for some sort of angling of the arrow.
Does he have black eyes?
This might sound like a dumb question but how come it seems like nobody sets a 10 yard pin? Should your 20 yard pin hit the same from 0-20?
Yes. It’s within a half inch
Yes with most modern bow setups 0-20 is within a few inches.
@@Whitetail_Properties ok. I consider myself a beginner but I'm not totally clueless. I just bow hunted as a kid 15 years ago and hunterd with bows that were from the mid 90's and I always remember setting a 10 yard pin. Now I have got back into it and bought a bow with a 330 ibo and have been shooting it and realized I have been hitting the same with my 20 yard pin anywhere within 20 yards and just wanted to make sure that was normal.
Ricky Rice yup technology has got so much better. 0-25 I’m one pin. Which is nice
@@nicschaalma3508 lol 25 yards is the max I will shoot at a whitetail. I been shooting for about a week and a half and came to the conclusion that I'm hitting the same from 0-20 but I'm not sure if I am out to 25 BCS like I said I only have been shooting this new bow for like a week and a half so the few shots I have taking past 20 were inconsistent and I'm not really good enough yet to really see where I'm at past 20 but even once I get good enough and I plan on being good enough by hunting season, I still don't think I'll shoot past 25 BCS the deer moving before the arrows gets to it is something I don't wanna risk but It will be really nice if I can just use one pin from 0-25 BCS then that means I'll only need one pin for hunting.the issue I'm having with this new bow is once I get to full draw idk if I'm letting it creep or what but some times I'll be at full draw and the next thing I know it's jerking forward and coming completely forward on me so now I have to think to myself to make sure when at full draw that I keep pulling pressure and it's causing me to shake a bit at full draw. It's hard to explain what I mean through typing. The bow just feels really jerky and just feels like it once to go at full draw
Your waaaaaaaay over thinking it. The deer will eventually come to a stand still and when it does, SEND IT
14" drop seems like alot tbh
That’s what happens when people shoot smooth I mean slow equipment, shoot something that’s fast and flat shooting and you take a lot of the guesswork right out of the equation
What site do you have on that VXR?
We can't recall what site Garret was shooting in this video, sorry.
@@Whitetail_Properties anyway to contact him?
What sight is this? Thanks
The sight is B3 archery and the scope is a Shrewd Optum. We put links to them both in the description!
Whitetail Properties are you running a light as well?
@@MidwestTraditionalBowhunting I don't think Garret was running a sight in this particular instance..
I have one pin that’s good from 0-45 yards. If the deer is at 50 I aim at top of back and it’s dead on. Buti won’t ever shoot a deer at 50 yards
45 and less I just hold it where I want to hit.
But I shout a Mathews Triax 70 lbs
So you're trying to say from 10 yards to 45 yards your arrows have zero drop? Get real dude.
@@denverlewis3486 I do have some drop. my single pin is dead on at 40 yards. So at 45 yards my arrow will drop around 3-4" and at 50 yards I aim just a little high. but from 5-45 yards every shot is in the kill zone of a deer so I dont adjust at all from 5-45 yards. Makes hunting so much easier. I killed a doe at 16 yards last year and a very nice buck at 28 yards. One pin no adjusting at all.
Been shooting for 52 years and I use a single pin this method very confusing I’ll stick to moving my pin to the yardages I need
Where did you get that hat!?
Garret actually had them made custom! They're pretty sweet though huh?!
Yes they are! Selling them by chance??
Unfortunately not, sorry!! We are working on some similar new designs here internally though so hopefully in the future we will sell them.
Just because your 4.5in high at 20 yards from the ground, doesn't mean you'll be that high from a tree stand. You'll actually be higher. Depending on how high in the tree you are
Why not just use a multi pin sight?
Because some of us don’t like the cluster of pins mounted horizontally. It blocks the sight window substantially, at least that’s my opinion. I’ve been shooting a single pin HHA Optimizer lite for over 20 years and have always had enough time to adjust my yardages. That was until I started elk hunting. Now instead of being effective to any whitetail out to 40 yards, I needed to extend my effectiveness to 60-70 yards for our west. I was shooting pie plates at 70 yards, but it didn’t matter, because I ended up shooting my 6x6 at 8 yards!! Hahahahaha
Andrew Sullivan Mainly preference. Some people may have certain vision issues that would make shooting a multi pin difficult. Most importantly just shoot what you are comfortable and confident in!
This system works great when you have fast arrow speed. Like 290+ the drop becomes less and less. Slow bows/arrows this isn't the best idea. He's using a slow bow here as shown in those huge drop measurements.
Learn how to instinctive shoot and the pins don't matter!
I don't understand all the big deal with single sight pin stuff, I hunted single sight pin when I was 25 years old shooting a 96lb screaming eagle with over draw, 24" arrow 10- 35yds zero but now I'm at 45lbs I need the 3 pins. Those 3/4/5 pin sights are cheaper than the sliding one pin sight system. Are people hunting deer with their 3d bows? Shed some light brother...
Some people just like the simple sight picture that single pin offers. I’ve been doing this for years - when I’m in a tree I set the sight at the known distance. When I’m on the ground I set it at 30 - I would aim a couple inches low at 20, but dead on from 25 to 35. At 40 I have to aim about 6” high. Beyond that I’m probably not shooting, but if I do, I would take the time to range and adjust the sight.
Two fixed pins, problem solved.
It's super easy to just move the sight. This is moot.
Then you get a deer at 43 yards and you miss. Not for me
He made this wayyyyy to complicated
430 grain arrow lol.
This is dumb and unethical. Just run a 3 pin.
I have been using a single pin sight for over 30 years and shoot 3 to 5 deer annually. In those 30 plus years I have had I think 1 deer that I have not recovered so I think it is a very ethical way to hunt. I know hunters that use 3 and 5 pins that have a way worse record than that because when they get buck fever they look at the wrong pin or just plain can not guess yardage. Its all in what you are comfortable with.
@@blindluckoutdoors4850 ive used a single pin too. I now use a 3 pin slider. I have nothing wrong with a single pin. I shoot a 500gn arrow and my drop between 20-40 is too much to risk. This is not for everyone and a lot of new hunters will think this is a good idea when its not.
Yes, definitely not for someone new to archery.
This works well, but maybe not if your bow is slow or you use excessively heavy arrows like some have been led to believe are necessary. I have been shooting this exact method for 8 years plus and killed 6 elk and 5 bucks at all 30 to 48 yds. My bow is fast and my arrows are lighter, but this works with just a little practice and takes a lot of stress at that moment. Plus its really easy to hold low or high if you need.
@@250zxSkeeter Nice to see that someone else likes this method! You are correct though, the setup and the individuals preference determine whether this setup is going to be effective or not.