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Actually the diocese is Milan which is ambrosian that’s inherent in the name. Technically this is the Latin rite of the Catholic Church, not the Roman rite. We’ve lost the understanding of what these words mean because the Novus ordo has convinced everyone that the entire Latin rite church is Roman. It’s not. You have the Latin Rite Catholic Church, within which you find the different uses, the Roman use, ambrosian, Sarum, Gallican, Toledan etc. My point is, regardless of these definitions, when one is speaking of liturgy “Roman” is a descriptive adjective that does not apply to this. There are certain things when I see them I say, ahhh how Roman. There are things when I see them I say ahhh how Dominican.
@@massimor2169 you must be blind then you wouldn't clap on Calvary seeing Christ crucified you shouldn't clap at the mass its quite simple. Time and a place
Yusef Yandron you must have lost a part of the story of salvation: after the Cross, Jesus resurrected. Don’t worry you will discover it once in heaven. Keep on crying a nonsense cross conquered by the resurrection. Bye bye sir blind teacher.
Communion by placing the Host on the tongue insures that the person doesn't take it home as a souvenir or apotropaic (putting the Host in a photo album or about a door a protection). As for seeing our Lord disrespected? I should hope not by whatever usage, in the hand or on the tongue. Let's recall what St. Thomas says, "In the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist the Body of Christ is not be understood as physical (materialiter) or as trapped in a place (localiter); and Pope Benedict XVI in a study of the Presence of Christ in the Eucharistic elements of bread and wine state that it cannot be reduced to crude materialism. The Ambrosia Rite is quit beautiful. The Novus Ordo Missae is too. What people object to is off-handed and shoddy celebrations with extraneous fripperies that demean the it.
From what I see posted in comments on videos like this, it's more about what they perceive as "new" practices, opposed by elaborate medieval arguments largely because they don't like change. Which is funny because reception in the hand goes all the way back to the Patristic period, at least. The purpose of litugrical reform was to retirn the Liturgy to a much older form, getting rid of Medieval "accretions" that made it unnecessarily elaborate and obscure. Given that liturgical practices have been evolving since the Edict of Milan made us legal, I dont fully agree that Medieval "accretions" are bad, but I also don't agree that these "accretions" are somehow holy and inviolable. The Mass is fundamentally the People of God celebrating the Mystery of Grace, not slavish adherence to some supposed "holy" form.
@@wfcoaker1398 Read Pope Pius XII's Encyclical Mystici Corporis Christi, I believe it's that one, he describes the error in restoring all ancient practices in the church as harmful to us, taking the Mass back to it's primitive state is wrong.
@@lordjesuschristhavemercyon3251 Pius didn't like the idea of the Church losing Her pseudoImperial power. The Bishops of Rome were power hungry through most of Church history, and the corruption that came from that led to the Great Schism and the Reformation, the Inquisition, all of which led to huge bloodshed. And that's not even mentioning the sex abuse. The old Imperial Church was evil, pure and simple. The world won't tolerate it any more, attempting to hold on to that power is crippling evangelism and hindering the spread of the Gospel. Vatican 2 was a start at repenting of that evil. Liturgical reform is one step in that process.
@@DominicNJ73 Pope Francis is my pope but anyways I'll update it to better convey it to people who may be sensitive to some of the terminology. It's unfortunate that you mistake people who have an appreciation for tradition as Sedevacantists
@@DominicNJ73 were you aware that the Russian Orthodox Church celebrates the Liturgy of St. Ambrose once a year on his feast day in one of their cathedrals
@@DominicNJ73 What self righteous, stereotyping, uninformed nonsense. The majority of Catholics who love tradition and the traditional Mass are not "sedes". Pope Benedict promulgated the use fo the Tridentine Mass for those who want it. Was he - the pope - a "sede"? In addition to lay people who embrace the traditions of the Church, countless traditionalist priests, brothers, monks, nuns, and friars belong to religious orders or communities that have papal approval. If your idea of being a good Catholic and a good Christian is to search out videos like this to leave snarky remarks, you might want to speak to your spiritual advisor. Now go pick on the Eastern Rite Catholics, they don't like to dance around the altar either.
As for versus populum the writer expresses his ignorance. First it's all about facing east: ad orientum. Churches in the early period were built with entrances facing east, so the celebrant stood at the west end facing east over a free-standing altar versus populum. Later on the this was switched so that the altar was at the east end. The altar was pushed to the wall and the celebrant had his back to the people ad orientum. A confusion arose: ad orientum losing it's real meaning to become a term to express back to the people regardless of the actual direction, east, west, south or north. Persons who really know liturgical matters know that words are the most important, not how the Mass is dressed up or not (a simple Eucharist celebrated by an Army Chaplain in a field is as valid as the Ambrosian Mass on this site ) or whether the Holy Table/Altar is against the wall or free-standing (as it has always been in Orthodoxy which refers to the Holy Table upon which the sacrifice of Praise is offered). Indeed there are churches in Rome where the altar has always been freestanding, the Basilica of St. Peter to name one of them.
This is the post-conciliar form of the Ambrosian Rite. The more ancient use still exists alongside it, and it's much more like the traditional Roman Rite.
What is the entrance Hymn? The tune is attributed to Louis Bourgeois, French Protestant composer and musical theorist, 1510-1559. The text is Doxology. the most famous was written by C of E Bishop Thomas Ken, Bishop of Bath and Wells in 1688. Praise God, from whom all blessings flow; Praise Him, all creatures here below; Praise Him above, ye heavenly host; Praise Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Amen. Due to the paucity of good hymns for the laity to sing, the RC Church adopted many of the magnificent Protestant hymns where the texts differ in no way from RC doctrine whether on the Eucharist, Mary et cetera. The Church didn't like congregational singing as it was considered an wedge to popular religion. There were no bilingual missals for the laity until the late 19th century to help people understand the Rite in Latin.
This isn't the geniune traditional Rite of Milan, the Ambrosian Rite. This is evident by bishops and clergy dressed to concelebrated. In fact except gir the Archbishop Deacon and a subdeacon they should all wear choir dress. So sloppy.
Communion in the hand, the vulgar tongue of Italian not the sacred Classical Latin, facing the Occident and not the Orient, a lack of splendid grandeur to add to the mystical nature of the Sacrifice here on earth, a general banalisation and desacralisation of the Mass. Sanctus Aurelius Ambrosius, Archiepiscopus Mediolanensis et Doctor Ecclesiae, ora pro nobis. Sanctus Carolus Borromaeus, Archiepiscopus Mediolanensis et Cardinalis Sanctae Romanae Ecclesiae, ora pro nobis.
There’s nothing sacred about Latin, The only reason why the RCC uses Latin is because it was the vulgar tounge of the papacy that then became enforced on the rest of the west
@@beniaminosani2719 You realize when I say vulgar I mean 'common tongue' right? are you saying Latin had completely died out as a language and was not a common tongue before Christ? Liturgies in Rome would've been done in Greek and where then translated into the common tongue of Rome - Latin, hence you get the Latin 'Vulgate'
@Ioseph Mariae If that is the case, then Jesus and especially the Apostles should not have been able to do exercise the Devil in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. Might as well throw out the entire Bible because no Latin was used in its creation. Hebrew and Greek only.
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Mass starts @6:18
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This isn’t Roman tho. That’s kind of the point.
@@thedorsinator The Diocese is Roman Catholic.
The rite is Ambrosian.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrosian_Rite
Actually the diocese is Milan which is ambrosian that’s inherent in the name. Technically this is the Latin rite of the Catholic Church, not the Roman rite. We’ve lost the understanding of what these words mean because the Novus ordo has convinced everyone that the entire Latin rite church is Roman. It’s not. You have the Latin Rite Catholic Church, within which you find the different uses, the Roman use, ambrosian, Sarum, Gallican, Toledan etc.
My point is, regardless of these definitions, when one is speaking of liturgy “Roman” is a descriptive adjective that does not apply to this. There are certain things when I see them I say, ahhh how Roman. There are things when I see them I say ahhh how Dominican.
La chiesa ambrosiana ha una storia ed una ricchezza unica
Haleluyah Haleluyah . Alleluiah Alleluiah...
Amen MARIA IMMACULATA PAX+++
DO NOT CLAP DURING MASS EVER
Why not? Nothing like that is said in official liturgy guidelines.
@@massimor2169 neither is wearing a speedo but somethings we just do not do out of respect and reverence for our lord in the blessed sacrament
@@YusefYandron I don't see it as a lack of respect for the blessed sacrament, maybe in your sensibility it is but not for everybody is.
@@massimor2169 you must be blind then you wouldn't clap on Calvary seeing Christ crucified you shouldn't clap at the mass its quite simple. Time and a place
Yusef Yandron you must have lost a part of the story of salvation: after the Cross, Jesus resurrected. Don’t worry you will discover it once in heaven. Keep on crying a nonsense cross conquered by the resurrection. Bye bye sir blind teacher.
Have there ever been any attempts to spread the Ambrosian rite elsewhere?
Communion by placing the Host on the tongue insures that the person doesn't take it home as a souvenir or apotropaic (putting the Host in a photo album or about a door a protection). As for seeing our Lord disrespected? I should hope not by whatever usage, in the hand or on the tongue. Let's recall what St. Thomas says, "In the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist the Body of Christ is not be understood as physical (materialiter) or as trapped in a place (localiter); and Pope Benedict XVI in a study of the Presence of Christ in the Eucharistic elements of bread and wine state that it cannot be reduced to crude materialism. The Ambrosia Rite is quit beautiful. The Novus Ordo Missae is too. What people object to is off-handed and shoddy celebrations with extraneous fripperies that demean the it.
St. Thomas Acquinas
From what I see posted in comments on videos like this, it's more about what they perceive as "new" practices, opposed by elaborate medieval arguments largely because they don't like change. Which is funny because reception in the hand goes all the way back to the Patristic period, at least. The purpose of litugrical reform was to retirn the Liturgy to a much older form, getting rid of Medieval "accretions" that made it unnecessarily elaborate and obscure. Given that liturgical practices have been evolving since the Edict of Milan made us legal, I dont fully agree that Medieval "accretions" are bad, but I also don't agree that these "accretions" are somehow holy and inviolable. The Mass is fundamentally the People of God celebrating the Mystery of Grace, not slavish adherence to some supposed "holy" form.
@@wfcoaker1398 Read Pope Pius XII's Encyclical Mystici Corporis Christi, I believe it's that one, he describes the error in restoring all ancient practices in the church as harmful to us, taking the Mass back to it's primitive state is wrong.
@@lordjesuschristhavemercyon3251 Pius didn't like the idea of the Church losing Her pseudoImperial power. The Bishops of Rome were power hungry through most of Church history, and the corruption that came from that led to the Great Schism and the Reformation, the Inquisition, all of which led to huge bloodshed. And that's not even mentioning the sex abuse. The old Imperial Church was evil, pure and simple. The world won't tolerate it any more, attempting to hold on to that power is crippling evangelism and hindering the spread of the Gospel. Vatican 2 was a start at repenting of that evil. Liturgical reform is one step in that process.
@@wfcoaker1398 Oh, you're one of those people. Well, God Bless you during Holy Lent.
i like how the entrance song is in the tune of the old 100th lol
Often used to sing a different Psalm in the Netherlands, and the tune is called by that number there.
lol this is basically Novus Ordo, not the Ambrosian Rite
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CHRISTUS REGNAT!
Isn’t this version of the mass older the the tlm
Qual a música de entrada?
Tutta la terra canti a te
This is the ambrosian rite in vernacular
This is the reformed Ambrosian Liturgy, not the historical
Oh you sede's love your petty little whines about the "novus ordo."
@@DominicNJ73 Pope Francis is my pope but anyways I'll update it to better convey it to people who may be sensitive to some of the terminology.
It's unfortunate that you mistake people who have an appreciation for tradition as Sedevacantists
@@DominicNJ73 were you aware that the Russian Orthodox Church celebrates the Liturgy of St. Ambrose once a year on his feast day in one of their cathedrals
@@DominicNJ73 What self righteous, stereotyping, uninformed nonsense. The majority of Catholics who love tradition and the traditional Mass are not "sedes". Pope Benedict promulgated the use fo the Tridentine Mass for those who want it. Was he - the pope - a "sede"? In addition to lay people who embrace the traditions of the Church, countless traditionalist priests, brothers, monks, nuns, and friars belong to religious orders or communities that have papal approval. If your idea of being a good Catholic and a good Christian is to search out videos like this to leave snarky remarks, you might want to speak to your spiritual advisor. Now go pick on the Eastern Rite Catholics, they don't like to dance around the altar either.
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As for versus populum the writer expresses his ignorance. First it's all about facing east: ad orientum. Churches in the early period were built with entrances facing east, so the celebrant stood at the west end facing east over a free-standing altar versus populum. Later on the this was switched so that the altar was at the east end. The altar was pushed to the wall and the celebrant had his back to the people ad orientum. A confusion arose: ad orientum losing it's real meaning to become a term to express back to the people regardless of the actual direction, east, west, south or north. Persons who really know liturgical matters know that words are the most important, not how the Mass is dressed up or not (a simple Eucharist celebrated by an Army Chaplain in a field is as valid as the Ambrosian Mass on this site ) or whether the Holy Table/Altar is against the wall or free-standing (as it has always been in Orthodoxy which refers to the Holy Table upon which the sacrifice of Praise is offered). Indeed there are churches in Rome where the altar has always been freestanding, the Basilica of St. Peter to name one of them.
ad orientem
I thought it's more like the Latin mass but actually it's looks like novus ordo..
This is the post-conciliar form of the Ambrosian Rite. The more ancient use still exists alongside it, and it's much more like the traditional Roman Rite.
Didn't realize the Ambrosian liturgy was also butchered
Nothing was speared!
What is the entrance Hymn? The tune is attributed to Louis Bourgeois, French Protestant composer and musical theorist, 1510-1559. The text is Doxology. the most famous was written by C of E Bishop Thomas Ken, Bishop of Bath and Wells in 1688. Praise God, from whom all blessings flow;
Praise Him, all creatures here below;
Praise Him above, ye heavenly host;
Praise Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Amen.
Due to the paucity of good hymns for the laity to sing, the RC Church adopted many of the magnificent Protestant hymns where the texts differ in no way from RC doctrine whether on the Eucharist, Mary et cetera. The Church didn't like congregational singing as it was considered an wedge to popular religion. There were no bilingual missals for the laity until the late 19th century to help people understand the Rite in Latin.
Looks like Novus Ordo :(
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Guys talking over Mass. Quiet down
Ambrosian rite? I don't see any difference from new rite od II vatican council.
That's because Morini did not only ravage the Roman rite but also the Ambrosia one
My! That's almost as much smoke as one sees in the stricter AngloCatholic churches. Lol
If by the offertory you cannot see, you have not used enough insense.
Perfect!!! So don't use Novus Ordo mass today
This is the Ambrosian Novus Ordo
This is literally in the vernacular lol
This isn't the geniune traditional Rite of Milan, the Ambrosian Rite. This is evident by bishops and clergy dressed to concelebrated. In fact except gir the Archbishop Deacon and a subdeacon they should all wear choir dress. So sloppy.
They ruined the ambrosian rite as well nooooo ):
Communion in the hand, the vulgar tongue of Italian not the sacred Classical Latin, facing the Occident and not the Orient, a lack of splendid grandeur to add to the mystical nature of the Sacrifice here on earth, a general banalisation and desacralisation of the Mass.
Sanctus Aurelius Ambrosius, Archiepiscopus Mediolanensis et Doctor Ecclesiae, ora pro nobis.
Sanctus Carolus Borromaeus, Archiepiscopus Mediolanensis et Cardinalis Sanctae Romanae Ecclesiae, ora pro nobis.
There’s nothing sacred about Latin, The only reason why the RCC uses Latin is because it was the vulgar tounge of the papacy that then became enforced on the rest of the west
Latin was not vulgar at all, not even in the first century, let alone in the III-IV .
@@beniaminosani2719 You realize when I say vulgar I mean 'common tongue' right? are you saying Latin had completely died out as a language and was not a common tongue before Christ? Liturgies in Rome would've been done in Greek and where then translated into the common tongue of Rome - Latin, hence you get the Latin 'Vulgate'
Actually, Greek is a more precise theological language.
@Ioseph Mariae If that is the case, then Jesus and especially the Apostles should not have been able to do exercise the Devil in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek.
Might as well throw out the entire Bible because no Latin was used in its creation. Hebrew and Greek only.