The True, the Good and the Beautiful. I was privileged to be in attendance and this worship service of the everliving God. I was overwhelmed, Kronos ended and Kairos began. I have listened to it several times since.
This is really beautiful. As a student of the English Reformation I've often wondered what the celebration of the Mas was like (eg in Tudor times) and what vestments were worn by the celebrant. I'm happy for any replies. Best wishes from Australia where currently ( I live in rural Victoria) we are in stage 3 COVID 19 restrictions.
The sanctuary without a barrier (altar rail or screen ) seems naked. This derives from the new catechism in which heaven is declared not to be a place. Imagine ! Our Lord has a human body (glorified): hence where He abides is both a place and heaven.
There is this life, then there is life after this life and then we wait for the end of time when our bodies and spirit are in God’s final new creation. Purgatory is not a place to serve time, but it is an experience where we cleanse our soul. It’s not punishment.
@@JamesMartinelli-jr9mh If you read a doc published by the Vatican and written by Benedict the notion of Purgatory has been “clarified”. It is not an interminable penalty box. As for the life after life and waiting for the end of time is a long standing statement by the Church.
I also believe we spend too little time and energy on the Resurrection, when matched up to Lent. His death was inevitable. But his divinity, teaching and power over evil were clearly affirmed by his rising from the dead . The story of Thomas being a doubter was a message to all of us.
@@paulmclaughlin710 We spend too little on the Incarnation and Virgin Birth ( virgin before, during, and after ) ever since trying to kiss the butts of the Protestants since Vatican Doo Doo.
Nice Video! Its such a beautiful liturgy Is this an anglican or a catholic mass? And how did they managed to celebrate the Sarum Use? I thought it had been supressed in both Anglicanism and Catholicism
I was very grateful for the awe inspiring organ improvisation at the beginning. I find men with white surplices but women veiled in all black symbolically very difficult.
I would hope for our prescribed dress for the choir of singers to be interpreted as nothing other than an attempt to blend into the background. Cassocks and surplices for men are standard practice for traditional Latin liturgies when singing in view of the congregation (and oftentimes even from a rear loft). The surplice is closely associated with clerical dress, so it was better to ask ladies to simply wear black. But they were invited to wear mantles (cloaks and hoods) if they had them. Black capes were worn in choir by both male and female religious during the period when Sarum was in normal use. And since this church had no central heating in the middle of winter, it was also a practical request.
Some of those surplices are still a bit post-Tridentine, way too short for the English "fulness", and the cassocks may be double breast, no birettas should be there but Canterbury cap (if really desired).
Although the organ was a very very nice instrument, played well with great registrations, it was too much in length and volume in light of the plainsong. Anything Sarum is highly detailed, complex and was noted for its great beauty. This is why the Church in Rome at the Council of Trent used much of Sarum Rites in formulating the Tridentine Rite (and other uses as well) when they reworked the Old Roman Rite. The Sarum Use predates the Tridentine Rite and was highly ornate and ceremonial. - Director of The Sarum Society and New Sarum Monastery.
Perhaps it was so loud to...uh..."help" the congregation since they were invited to sing along for the psalms. 😜 Seriously, though, I agree. Indeed, I don't think musical instruments should be used in church at all. That's how it starts - you replace the organum with the organ, then next thing you know, you are getting a full-on Montiverdi concert.
That is the verger. Medieval churches typically lacked pews to neatly divide the congregation down the middle, so a sacristan with a rod went ahead of processions to clear a path. The office of verger was largely retained in Anglican churches after the Reformation, but a handful of Catholic churches on the continent kept them as well.
Every other psalm verse was fully written out in square notation in the programs and accompanied by the organ. A great many in attendance did sing the psalmody together with the choir, as well as many of the other short responses.
At around 40:54, you will see the four principal altar servers approach the four rulers. The rulers' copes were laid over the panels in front of the first row of pews. The servers each picked one up and then fastened it over each ruler's shoulders while they were singing the antiphon at the end of the fifth psalm. The key is to ensure that the rulers have the copes on before they intone the responsory.
playing devil’s advocate but what justification can you use for using a pre-reformation English use of the liturgy in the USA lol it just seems strange
Not strange at all. The cultural legacy of England extends well beyond the British Isles. Philadelphia was once the second-largest city of the British Empire after London. A great many relics of the British period still exist in the several museums of the city, including even pre-Reformation artifacts like a Sarum Book of Hours. The event took place in a church under the care of the Dominicans, whose historic liturgy is closely related to Sarum.
@@cameronmumford5484 , regretfully, a video can only convey so much. I encourage you to read the article about this event in the National Catholic Register, with special attention to the testimonies of those who were spiritually moved by the liturgy. www.ncregister.com/daily-news/from-earth-to-heaven-with-englands-glory-sarum-vespers
@@thedurandusinstituteforsac8852 Not to mention the fact many priests and clerics present here were part of the Anglican Use Ordinariate of the Chair of Saint Peter, whose Liturgy draws much on the Anglican patrimony and, from that, on the rite of Salisbury.
As was noted, the Use of Sarum is a Form of the Roman Rite; it is not "Anglican". But to go a little further, there are also parishes that are Catholic Churches that follow the Anglican Use. Such places are still fully Catholic churches. There is nothing wrong with the Anglican Rite or the Sarum Use. These should not be confused with the heretical Anglican/Episcopalian denomination. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican_Use
@@acatholiclife Thank you for this comment! The "Anglican Use" is a nickname for the liturgy, fully approved by Rome, of the Ordinariates established by Pope Benedict XVI for Anglicans to enter the Catholic Church in whole groups with their clergy under the provisions of "Anglicanorum coetibus". (Before that, there were "Anglican Use" communities under the jurisdiction of their local Roman Catholic dioceses since John Paul II.) Although this Vespers was not an official Ordinariate event, the officiant of this Vespers is a priest of the Ordinariate of the Chair of St Peter (US and Canada). The executive director of the Durandus Institute--that is, the guy typing this comment--is a member and instituted acolyte of the Ordinariate as well. More information about the Ordinariate may be found at ordinariate.net/
@@thedurandusinstituteforsac8852 It's the "modern" dissonance in so much what was played. Frankly, it seemed to be more about showing off technical skill than setting a tone/mood for the liturgy.
@@polemeros We selected organ works that were inspired by Gregorian chant, the most abundant of which come from the school of French organ masters from the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The prelude works were taken from Tournemire's "L'Orgue Mystique" for the feast of the Purification, and the processional was from the Acclamations in the Suite Medievale by Jean Langlais, recalling the kingship of Christ with reference to the chant "Christus vincit". Some more info on the organ music may be read on page 17 of the service booklet: www.dropbox.com/s/rdnzq8b6zqqobir/Sarum%20Vespers%20-%20congregation%20copy.pdf
This comment section is “gracefully” papist… Come to the Western rite communities in Orthodoxy! Pope St. Gregory the Great admonished anyone who called himself “first of priests” in the seat of Peter
@@theromanbaron He admonished the Patriarch of Constantinople calling himself ecumenical patriarch... get back to me when Eastern Orthodoxy starts heeding the admonitions of the Holy Father Gregory, hypocrite.
Thank you! I can’t imagine all the work that went into putting this together, and it was beautiful!
The True, the Good and the Beautiful. I was privileged to be in attendance and this worship service of the everliving God. I was overwhelmed, Kronos ended and Kairos began. I have listened to it several times since.
This is really beautiful. As a student of the English Reformation I've often wondered what the celebration of the Mas was like (eg in Tudor times) and what vestments were worn by the celebrant. I'm happy for any replies. Best wishes from Australia where currently ( I live in rural Victoria) we are in stage 3 COVID 19 restrictions.
The sanctuary without a barrier (altar rail or screen ) seems naked. This derives from the new catechism in which heaven is declared not to be a place. Imagine ! Our Lord has a human body (glorified): hence where He abides is both a place and heaven.
There is this life, then there is life after this life and then we wait for the end of time when our bodies and spirit are in God’s final new creation. Purgatory is not a place to serve time, but it is an experience where we cleanse our soul. It’s not punishment.
@@paulmclaughlin710 Who told you?
@@JamesMartinelli-jr9mh If you read a doc published by the Vatican and written by Benedict the notion of Purgatory has been “clarified”. It is not an interminable penalty box. As for the life after life and waiting for the end of time is a long standing statement by the Church.
I also believe we spend too little time and energy on the Resurrection, when matched up to Lent. His death was inevitable. But his divinity, teaching and power over evil were clearly affirmed by his rising from the dead . The story of Thomas being a doubter was a message to all of us.
@@paulmclaughlin710 We spend too little on the Incarnation and Virgin Birth ( virgin before, during, and after ) ever since trying to kiss the butts of the Protestants since Vatican Doo Doo.
How was permission obtained to use the Sarum rite of vespers?? Would love to see more of its use
Nice Video! Its such a beautiful liturgy
Is this an anglican or a catholic mass?
And how did they managed to celebrate the Sarum Use? I thought it had been supressed in both Anglicanism and Catholicism
This is a Catholic celebration of Vespers, the Use of Sarum, about 1000 years old. Vespers is essentially evening prayer for Catholics.
I was very grateful for the awe inspiring organ improvisation at the beginning. I find men with white surplices but women veiled in all black symbolically very difficult.
I would hope for our prescribed dress for the choir of singers to be interpreted as nothing other than an attempt to blend into the background. Cassocks and surplices for men are standard practice for traditional Latin liturgies when singing in view of the congregation (and oftentimes even from a rear loft). The surplice is closely associated with clerical dress, so it was better to ask ladies to simply wear black. But they were invited to wear mantles (cloaks and hoods) if they had them. Black capes were worn in choir by both male and female religious during the period when Sarum was in normal use. And since this church had no central heating in the middle of winter, it was also a practical request.
Thank you very much for taking the trouble to reply - I am grateful for the information you give.
Some of those surplices are still a bit post-Tridentine, way too short for the English "fulness", and the cassocks may be double breast, no birettas should be there but Canterbury cap (if really desired).
🙏🙏🙏
I have a question on the positioning of the choir during the Sarum rite, would they have been in these positions if the church had had choir stalls?
belle liturgie ! Vous devriez suivre la même pour la célébration de la messe !
What Church does this institute belong to?
Is genuflection before the Blessed Sacrament not norm for this ritual?
It is not. Bowing the prescribed reverence.
How come the Acoloytes change from a Surplice into the Alb?
Although the organ was a very very nice instrument, played well with great registrations, it was too much in length and volume in light of the plainsong. Anything Sarum is highly detailed, complex and was noted for its great beauty. This is why the Church in Rome at the Council of Trent used much of Sarum Rites in formulating the Tridentine Rite (and other uses as well) when they reworked the Old Roman Rite. The Sarum Use predates the Tridentine Rite and was highly ornate and ceremonial. - Director of The Sarum Society and New Sarum Monastery.
Perhaps it was so loud to...uh..."help" the congregation since they were invited to sing along for the psalms. 😜
Seriously, though, I agree. Indeed, I don't think musical instruments should be used in church at all. That's how it starts - you replace the organum with the organ, then next thing you know, you are getting a full-on Montiverdi concert.
Nice singing. Are singers from the parish?
The choir was principally composed of volunteers from throughout the archdiocese and surrounding dioceses, and the Ordinariate.
Does anyone still use the gestatorial chair?
What is the title of the person heading up the procession, he looks very much like the person who heads up Anglican/CofE services.
That is the verger. Medieval churches typically lacked pews to neatly divide the congregation down the middle, so a sacristan with a rod went ahead of processions to clear a path. The office of verger was largely retained in Anglican churches after the Reformation, but a handful of Catholic churches on the continent kept them as well.
@@thedurandusinstituteforsac8852 Oh thankyou for the explanation......yes I've only ever seen the Verger in Anglican services.
Is there any participation by the faithful, or this is more like a concert?
Every other psalm verse was fully written out in square notation in the programs and accompanied by the organ. A great many in attendance did sing the psalmody together with the choir, as well as many of the other short responses.
What is the processional piece?
Acclamations Carolingiennes, from the Suite Médiévale by Jean Langlais. (It's also listed in the description, among the timestamps.)
Can anyone tell at what point the rectores chori put on their copes?
At around 40:54, you will see the four principal altar servers approach the four rulers. The rulers' copes were laid over the panels in front of the first row of pews. The servers each picked one up and then fastened it over each ruler's shoulders while they were singing the antiphon at the end of the fifth psalm. The key is to ensure that the rulers have the copes on before they intone the responsory.
Love it for about 10 minutes then it puts me to sleep.
playing devil’s advocate but what justification can you use for using a pre-reformation English use of the liturgy in the USA lol it just seems strange
Not strange at all. The cultural legacy of England extends well beyond the British Isles. Philadelphia was once the second-largest city of the British Empire after London. A great many relics of the British period still exist in the several museums of the city, including even pre-Reformation artifacts like a Sarum Book of Hours. The event took place in a church under the care of the Dominicans, whose historic liturgy is closely related to Sarum.
The Durandus Institute for Sacred Liturgy & Music it just seems more of a performance than anything else
@@cameronmumford5484 , regretfully, a video can only convey so much. I encourage you to read the article about this event in the National Catholic Register, with special attention to the testimonies of those who were spiritually moved by the liturgy. www.ncregister.com/daily-news/from-earth-to-heaven-with-englands-glory-sarum-vespers
@@thedurandusinstituteforsac8852 Not to mention the fact many priests and clerics present here were part of the Anglican Use Ordinariate of the Chair of Saint Peter, whose Liturgy draws much on the Anglican patrimony and, from that, on the rite of Salisbury.
Not really. Keep in mind this is a predominantly Anglo-Saxon country.
I'm confused: Anglican Rite in a Roman church?????
The Use of Sarum is a form of the Roman Rite, as it was commonly used in the Catholic Church in England before the Reformation.
As was noted, the Use of Sarum is a Form of the Roman Rite; it is not "Anglican". But to go a little further, there are also parishes that are Catholic Churches that follow the Anglican Use. Such places are still fully Catholic churches. There is nothing wrong with the Anglican Rite or the Sarum Use. These should not be confused with the heretical Anglican/Episcopalian denomination. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican_Use
@@acatholiclife Thank you for this comment! The "Anglican Use" is a nickname for the liturgy, fully approved by Rome, of the Ordinariates established by Pope Benedict XVI for Anglicans to enter the Catholic Church in whole groups with their clergy under the provisions of "Anglicanorum coetibus". (Before that, there were "Anglican Use" communities under the jurisdiction of their local Roman Catholic dioceses since John Paul II.) Although this Vespers was not an official Ordinariate event, the officiant of this Vespers is a priest of the Ordinariate of the Chair of St Peter (US and Canada). The executive director of the Durandus Institute--that is, the guy typing this comment--is a member and instituted acolyte of the Ordinariate as well. More information about the Ordinariate may be found at ordinariate.net/
Lol
@@acatholiclife Heretical, lol
비나이다 비나이다 비나이다 살찌고 배부른 정의구현 사제가 신부 맞는가 천주교에는 하느님이 있긴 있는가
The Langlais was not a good choice for this liturgy, when there’s a wealth of English keyboard music.
God, that long set of voluntaries at the beginning was painful to the ear.
What would you have selected?
@@thedurandusinstituteforsac8852 It's the "modern" dissonance in so much what was played. Frankly, it seemed to be more about showing off technical skill than setting a tone/mood for the liturgy.
@@polemeros We selected organ works that were inspired by Gregorian chant, the most abundant of which come from the school of French organ masters from the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The prelude works were taken from Tournemire's "L'Orgue Mystique" for the feast of the Purification, and the processional was from the Acclamations in the Suite Medievale by Jean Langlais, recalling the kingship of Christ with reference to the chant "Christus vincit". Some more info on the organ music may be read on page 17 of the service booklet: www.dropbox.com/s/rdnzq8b6zqqobir/Sarum%20Vespers%20-%20congregation%20copy.pdf
@@seanconnolly5989, the good news is that we're happy to take suggestions into consideration for future events.
This comment section is “gracefully” papist…
Come to the Western rite communities in Orthodoxy! Pope St. Gregory the Great admonished anyone who called himself “first of priests” in the seat of Peter
obviously, this is a catholic ceremony.
@@alansilva9548 Catholic, yes. Papist? At heart? No.
Though it is being done by papists
@@theromanbaron lol
@@theromanbaron He admonished the Patriarch of Constantinople calling himself ecumenical patriarch... get back to me when Eastern Orthodoxy starts heeding the admonitions of the Holy Father Gregory, hypocrite.
"ortodossi" merda