Jonas Vingegaard STUNS Tadej Pogacar on Marie Blanque | Tour de France 2023 Stage 5
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- Lanterne Rouge presents highlights of Tour de France 2023 Stage 5
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Kuss’s performance today reminded me of him pulling Jonas on Hautacam, Sepp is such a beast
He didn’t pull Jonas on Granon? You mean Hautacam?
Best mountain domestique in the world right now.
Indeed, that was actually Majka.
they better pay the man good money 😄
Reminded me of USPostal 1999 up Sestriere
What a tour this has been. And it's only Stage 5. Fireworks since day 1 and no less epic today.
Yes but in video before someone already said "boring TDF because no breakaway and JV just do nothing for Van Aert"....
Well apart of the last 5 km stages 3 and 4 were so boring tbf
Yeah I could have been in the bunch in stage 4. What was flat 200km in a large group 34 ish Kph average?
Any half decent non pension Ada amateur ride can pull that off. Heck even some pensionada’s here do that on club rides.
Stage 3 and 4 were not fireworks lol. Mountain stages are more interesting though just hope Vingegaard doesn't win the TDF over the next few days.
@@1barnet1it was actually 40 kph avg but still very slow for flat stage
Again, fantastic production and top notch analysis in just 8 minutes Patrick and LR team! You guys must be running in overdrive these days with the pod, the watch-a-long and everything. All of it is highly appreciated - thoroughly enjoying it these weeks. All the best and cheers from Benji’s northern neighbour (Amsterdam).
Agreed. Sooo much better than the schil channels. Well done gents! 💖
Pronounce Jonas Vingegaard's name correctly, aa is not pronounced as aa in the Danish language, a Dane could never think of pronouncing an English name wrong, pronouncing a name wrong is a lack of respect.
Straighten it up.
Imagine trying to stay on the wheel while Van Aert pulls, then Kuss pulls, then Jonas goes full gas! That’s a sick train and they executed that so well.
and totally fouled GCN commentators. They thought is was a bad move for Jumbo
@@riseup3117it arguably was a bad move. However I don’t think Jumbo dreamt of dropping pogacar today directly, they wanted the numbers to make that fight safe.
After seeing how easily he dropped him Van Aert might have been of more help on the decent and towards the finish. But it’s a win either way.
Making UAE doing 500np + it’s a game of wearing the opponents down.
The recaps, highlights and analysis on this channel is unmatched by any media outlet no matter the size. Amazingly impressive job LR
100%, he is doing an amazing job!
Buchmann said on german tele that he and Jay ended up in the break more or less by accident.
Finally a great stage after the two snoozers, absolutely exciting stuff
great recap as always, keep it up
love to see pogi smiling on the rollers even though it wasn't a good day for him
When you're the most dominant racer of a generation you get to laugh off the bad days. He doesn't have to prove anything to anyone.
@@cjohnson3836how’s he the most dominating rider? He has 2tdf Jonas has 1
@@mikeyoung8547TdF isn’t the only thing these guys ride in…
But he does he has everything to lose
@@mikeyoung8547Pog is still the best cyclist in the world, even if he looses this tour.
Another beauty from Lantern Rouge❤
How good is this TdF so far?!?!? Kudos to Jai for rolling the dice and taking the dub! Jonas putting the sword into Poggy, and only stage 5 😯
I fear it might be too good here in the beginning leaving us with no real challenger to Jonas over the remaining 2 weeks. I hope not, but we'll see
For anyone saying Pogacar wasn't at his best or was hampered by wrist injury. He just rode Marrie Blonque 55 seconds faster than he & Roglic did in 2020.
It's just that Vingegaard went 92 seconds faster than the previous best time. Vingegaard just is THAT GUY right now. Super level!
I still think that pogi is not in top shape. And how could he be..? His preperation was not ideal. But yeah at the moment vingegaard is also in beast mode and made big steps.
It was in 2020😉
@@JR-yr6gr thanks, edited.
@@userbrytje008 That's not necessarily true. He was training to peak during the month but that doesn't mean there aren't other racing obligations on him and the team in the small events. There's the argument that racers could be in better shape by skipping those events. He was given the excuse to do so with his wrist surgery. But its also possible he could have been metering his pace in 2020. Its possible he was going slow then and this is his peak with a race that is just faster this year overall. We won't know until later in the Tour what the answer is.
Ok so pogacar is better than it was 2 years ago? Big surprise..still doesn't mean he is in his peak form right now 😂😂😂
Great work mate... Maybe one suggestion, on stages like these where a lot happens try to make the videos a little longer, talking a littler slower. At times I have trouble keeping up with you and I watched the stage! Still 10x better than anything GCN touches! Cheers
I have a feeling he has a restriction on the time.
I think he's mentioned in the past, that when using ASO race footage he has a time limit on how much footage he can use. Doesn't mean he couldn't slow down but that's probably the reason the videos aren't longer.
I have a minute cap on these videos for the Le tour
General profile of the tour so far has made it much more entertaining than a regular start latest decades with flat stages first week. I hope they do this in future tours as well, keep it interesting all the way. Also, unexpected move from Vingegaard and teams with more dynamics at play, so many x-factor riders. Great first stages.
If Vingegaard takes 5 minutes today (stage 6) the tour is pretty much over, and the entertainment drops a lot.
Not Pogacar went slow today, Vingegaard went very fast.
Kuss could stay in pogacard wheel after he had been setting pace for quite a while so…
He was 3rd best on the day at best (not counting hindley) but he wasn't outstanding. Gaudu was not far behind.
@@gerttopmullerand pogacar was still much faster than he was in 2020
UAE brought a weak team jumbo visma has the much stronger team.
My drug cocktail 🍹 better than yours. 🐸
Really excited about Hindley. I said before the tour started I hope there's someone to give Jonas and Pogi some competition, just to make it extra interesting. I don't know how long he can sustain this but people seem to think he's strong, so I'm looking forward to the next stages. Also this stage was absolutely phenomenal, I was glued to my screen from 130km left to the end!
It's all good and dandy as long as you not checking their time on the last climb, when Jonas was 90 seconds faster going up than Hindley which means he would have left him in the dust if they starting the mountain together. You can't have a 2 minute advantage of every climb..
Best stage I've watched for years. Fabulous bike racing.
what a run of jonas, wow!
Definitely want to watch this stage in full, EPIC for a stage 5..... and an Aussie in Yellow!!!
You guys don't appreciate Sepp. This guy is a fucking machine
He should try to be captain at an other team, he is just too good to be domestique
His TT performance is equal to Jacobean’s climbing performance.
Kuss can only do GC if there is no individual TT.
Jacobsen
@@peterpimmel5307 illusion, he would not serve as captain even for 1 week races
ketone juice machine
Watching the commercial free World feed and then this excellent analysis UA-cam recap makes the Tour De France an awesome experience. Thank you.
Jonas is a beast.
Yep, the stages favors him greatly and he'll win with 8-10 min. overall, even though Pogacar is moore versatile. Stage 6, 9 13-17 and 20 Jonas to loose.
This is why he is called the junkyard dog of pro cycling.
@@daniluis7777 He is called The Saviour of pro cycling
@@runerunesen7261lol this years route should favor Pogacar
Yes! The best! 😂😂😂
Everyday we watch the regular highlights, but it’s the LR commentary that we really look forward to. Great stage. Great review. As always.
Great to see Jonas climbing with so much confidence. Looking at the videos from last year's tour, he's constantly looking back to see if it's stuck, but now he seems way more assured in his attacks.
Jonas is a monster, and I have no idea how Pog is gonna close this gap in the next two weeks. This was a mountain that should have suited Pog, but Jonas just nailed him, and then he even took time on him on the descent, insane
and Jonas did all descent/flat part in the front, with no colaboration at all, with 2 or three mosquitos sucking wheel. Hopefully Jonas kept some energy for next stages.
"Pogi is better on short-steep climbs, Vingegaard is better on long climbs" is a myth.
Here's a history of Pogi dropping Vingegaard on long climbs and Vingegaard smashing short climbs
- Tignes, 2021
- Portet, 2021
- Planche des Belles Filles, 2022 (stalemate)
- Peyragudes, 2022 (stalemate)
- Couillolle, 2023
- Very steep climb in Iztulia, 2023
- Grenoble, 2023
- Pike, 2023 (stalemate)
- Jaizkibel, 2023 (stalemate)
- Marie Blanque, 2023
- Cauterets, 2023
- Puy de Dôme, 2023
- Grand Colombier, 2023
- Domancy, 2023
@@mumblerapkilla5406 You conveniently ignore the Col du Granon last year, where Vingegaard dropped Pogacar on that long climb.
@@RB-xv4si You are giving the one example used for the myth (you can also use Ventoux and Hautacam if you want). I gave more than 10 examples disproving the myth. On HC climbs: Pogi 3 - 3 Vingegaard.
@@angelbenavidesparedes8333 man come on, the mosquitos were in the breakaway all day
Best coverage and breakdown once again....Great Job Lantern Rouge.
What a banger stage that was! As a german I am happy to see Emu back in shape. Awesome tactics by Bora an JV, UEA made a huge mistake by letting this group go.
And well, Jonas is a monster, insane performance once again
There is no need for any worries. This is day 5 of the Tour de Fance.
That leaves 14 days of racing. As I think back 50 years, we could see weather, we could see illness, we could see crashes or just plain old bad luck.
This race is far from settled.
Ya'all just need to sit back and enjoy the spectacle.
Great analysis LR. Watched the Eurosport highlights before yours. Won't make that mistake again. They gave no explanation how the break was formed or how vingego dropped pog. Keep up the great work LR.
The quality of the analysis today. Even on the high standard that Lantern Rouge had been pulling for years, this is one of the best if not the very best one you did. Amazing stuff.
Perfect timing! I was just looking for Lanterne Rouge's review of this stage 😃
I waited so many hours for this. Couldn''t wait anylonger and went with other highlight video. Still gonna fast watch this.
Checked the channel 5 mins ago and couldnt find todays stage and I got worried.
Thx for all the hard work!
Sepp Kuss: the ultimate mountain Lieutenant 🫡
LR, you show details others channels miss. Great work.
Jumbos plan must have been for WVA to tow jonas on the downhill approach. Then once WVA cracked, jonas was like F it I'm going anyway.
It was. They wanted Wout and Benoot to be there, but neither of them could make it before Jonas.
Imagine what the gap could have been if that had happen. Benoot was so close..
If your job is to get to the top before your leader does, than you hide in a breakaway and hope you don't need to work at all. What Wva did? Attack, pull, attack, pull, crack, pull hard, gone. He was completely useless, the stage would have been exactly the same without him even being there.
sepp kuss is a fucking monster, when jumbo eventually lose him they will struggle.
He has the potential to be a GC contender, crazy performance.
@@brunoxd151he doesn’t want to be a GC guy though. He has said so before himself numerous times, he’s happy to be the best mountain domestique in the world. Besides, most likely he would not be able to compete for a good result on GC. In most grand tours he has 1 off day where he can’t do anything at all, which would lose him all time on gc
all this after killing it in the giro as well. dude got the gift for sure. but no rush for now imo
@@brunoxd151 Lol I can smell the Murica in you ( as with Lantern btw... ).
Sepp is good domestique, one of the best in the mountains. But he's not always reliable, so he's by definition NOT a GC guy. And perhaps even not the best mountain domestique as some others say. Don't forget, Yates is also a domestique this tour, and let's not forget Maika. Kuss might not have the same performance tomorrow, or in the Alpes, we will see.
It's astonishing, first couple of days it's -> Jonas isn't riding for Wout, they are doing it wrong. Now -> they are using a potential GC contender as domestique what a waste.
I think Kuss would do well in one week competitions, but not in three.
If Jonas gets a lock on yellow, he might be given the go-ahead to try for a later mountain stage win. He took one last year (or was it 2 yr ago?).
Lets go Jonas!!
As a Slovenian cycling fan I do hope that Pog will recover in some way or another and really have a go at it in the 3rd week. The thing is, today Pog did a better preformance than he and Roglic did in 2020 it's just that Jonas was simply the better one today and is the best rider in this tour right now. Yes, Pog did have an injury and it could've have taken a toll on him because he hasn't had a proper mountain stage in a few months but Jonas really seems unbeatable as of right now. But we will really see tommorow if Pog just had a bad dsy or if he will lose time. I do hope, for the sake of this tour to not be boring that Pog will attack in some way or another and that he is not completley done, I feel like that if UAE really get a good strat going on like Jumbo did in 2022 Pog just might suceed (yes UAE don't have riders as good as Kuss and Roglic and Wout) but I feel like they burned themselves out today for no reason as they made the mistake of letting that big of a group go up the road. The best thing in my opinion to do right now is for them to kinda sit back whilek Bora and Jumbo try to control things and maybe then launch somethinf for Pog. But I deffo see Jonas as the bettee rider right now despite being Slovene. Also been watching cycling only for three years so if anyone has some better opinions/views on this I completley understand!
I think if Pog can avoid big deficits the next week or so, he may have a chance to gain fitness as the tour progresses....The injury has wound his clock back a little.
You should always be wary of comparing performances from different years. What was the racing like prior to the stage? How much has already been wrung out of their legs? What was the temperature/ wind direction? Just a few degrees cooler can have a huge impact on performance.
While I agree Jonas was fast today more then Pog was slow, I also don't think that current Pog or Heanley would of beat 2020 Pog by 50 seconds to the summit.
You can’t compare with 2020. There was a tailwind in 2023. That alone can make all the difference.
As a Dane I of course hope Jonas will win, but I pray that Tadej will be back to his usual self today and attack on Tourmalet. It would be so great for the race. I also hope that, Jai Hindley can defend his yellow jersey.
I hope you are right. But if it develops like it does normally with Jonas, he gets stronger and stronger. His biggest strength is recovery and getting better than everyone else in week 3.
But I really hope for the sake of the excitement, that Hindley Can stay close and that Pogacar will get better as the tour goes on.
I still want Vingegaard to win though 🇩🇰
Vinge and Wout are hammers for Jumbo.....great Tour so far.
Onya Poggy! Do the WVA dummy-spit H20 bottle spike thing again. I loved it! You’ve got heart and soul, the tour is yours for the taking!
So nice to see a no-sprint finish! These guys were really racing today.
Bora should definitely get some riders ahead for Tourmalet tomorrow in case hindley struggles after todays big effort
It won’t really matter, when the grade goes up, the man with the yellow will have a big target on his back. No teammates will be able to help.
Given that Pog and Jonas also had big efforts he could be fine.
Jumbo and UAE may be happy to let Bora do the work tomorrow. Then counter punch each other with their climbing domestics.
@@adrianbuck8772i dont think pog really put in a big dig..
I think that was a "let him go chase, its a long 3 weeks" kinda day for pog.
😊
@@karl8805 So you think Pog lost 1 minute on Jonas on purpose?
I dont think so. We saw last year that he has big problems in taking back that Kind of time on Jonas. Also Pog getting caught from Kuss and the group behind isnt an good sign either.
Wow, your highlights are on par with today’s stage entertainment. Really nice video and fantastic day at the Tour. I am always thrilled when unexpected things happen and riders cannot rely on plans made in the teambus.
What a joy to watch.
Pogacar is lacking fundamentals this year because of that less than ideal preparation after the crash in April
First mountain stage and it’s already in fireworks 💥.
A long way to go to Paris.
Stage 6 will be great to see if Pogacar can do something against Vingegaard and Jai defending the Yellow.
For all those wondering why they were so much quicker on Maria Blonque than in 2020. I heard there was new Asphalt on the whole climb or atleast on parts so that also is a factor
Thanks for your videos, mate. Class!
Buchmann deserves so much credit. The best stage I have ever witnessed.
I guess you didn’t see stage 11 of last years tour then ?
bro what a good contend it s my first time watching the full tour thx for theese videos
Wasn't able to watch the stage yesterday. Thanks for the analysis Patrick, great job as always.
the stills interspersed within the video is a nice touch and it's good to be able to take a few seconds to look at group without them moving. gives a slightly different perspective. well done
Superb production and commentary - best analysis going around....congrats on a brilliant product :) Looking forward to an exciting Tour and more great LR insights!!!
Sepp and Jonas together is the ultimated mountain machine. By the way, Ciccone was furious when he crossed the line today, he wanted to race and take leads, but his director told him not to. I wonder why...
Great tour and stage ,really takes you back to the days or armstrong, ulrich and pantani. Doping and all just stronger but more stealthy.
Jai Friggin 'Socks on Catepillars' Hindley.......what a beautiful race! I watched the last hour in the wee hours with a lump in my throat. This Tour is shaping up into an absolute epic.
This video was awesome. Keep them comin
I think it is also notable that the group that was with Jonas on the last flat kilometers were probably not allowed to pull for him. Also heartbreaking when they then all overtook him in the sprint to the finish line. Understandable, but still painful to see
Not really heartbreaking he took time on the others and it is actually faster having riders on your wheel than if the breakaway riders had been dropped.
@@cornishalps9870 yeah, I don't think Jonas really cared too much at that point. Now perhaps if he could have persuaded Ciccone to work earlier on they could have done something, and I think Ciccone wanted to but got told "NO!" by the car... so that's all ok, that is just normal bike racing tactics, nothing personal.
@cornishalps9870 What? It makes no difference if you are alone or people behind you in single line. It's just more frustrating.
The tour is getting very interesting 🇩🇰🇦🇺👍
So, as I stated since the beginning, and noone believed it: When Pogacar attacks, he gains a handful of seconds. When Vingegaard attacks, he gains a minute. Also, it wasn't Jumbo who was the weaker team, it was just van Aert who wasn't at the same level as last year... 🙂
finally another team does something new and out there knowing they cant beat Pogi or Jonas on form alone. Love it from Jai and BORA just slipping away
Absolutely love to see it! lets see if they can keep the jersey tomorrow I doubt it but some say the yellow jersey gives you wings so lets see...
Thanks for the great videos. I get to watch the first half at work. Then kids kick in, keeps me completely up to speed. Big Cheers
The only channel for TDF coverage!!!
So rare to see so much strategy chaos! What a fun stage to watch!
Brilliant analysis! Thank you so much!
Great commentary as always. Thanks for these awesome videos.
Magic icebath for Pogi XD Great victory!
Just watched Eurosports 1hour long highlights, this vid paints a better picture of the race!
A banger video, as always. Love your content
Disappointed ITV didn’t broadcast the fight for the breakaway, such exciting stuff.
Sepp looking stronger than pogo and A yates wow crazy.
Was thinking the same. Our broadcaster said that the UAE team is so strong, but Jumbo has Sepp Kuss. Its a world class domestique.
The Jumbo juice is on another level this year. I bet of tadej joins jumbo he would smash Jonas.
just ketones...
@@matteogamba3236 cry some more you sad little excuse.
All my homies hate Jumbo Visma. What are these guys eating with their muesli in the morning? Absolute freak performances all across the team.
who had a great performance other than Ving and Kuss? WvA is nowhere near last years form
Unfortunately, while for a period it seemed that cycling was finally a healthy sport, now it's the other way around. We are going back to the 90s when there were dominant teams like postal service and even weak riders became superhumans. It's very boring and also danish people and north Europe teams are renewd for doping.
@@matteogamba3236 Really. Sounds more like sour grapes from a Pogachar fan.
@@matteogamba3236 Haha, cry is free. If you think Pogacar is not doped but Vingegaard is you're deluded
Great job LR. I always really enjoy your reviews and analysis.
Legendary move by Hindley, Konrad and Bookman
*Buchmann
I know :-D Said Bookman for fun :-)
I love seeing Sepp Kuss and Matteo Jorgenson doing great work on the world stage. Sepp is such a fun climber to watch. Can't wait to see what unfolds tomorrow.
So thats it. Now we can warch sprints and maybe some escapers for stage. I hoped for a bit longer battle.
Great coverage. Thanks, LR team.
Jonas is that Guy!!
This JV team is scary imagine if Roglic was also participating
What a great stage! I'm starting to wonder if Hindley can be a contender. He actually looked fresher than anyone else at the finish. That's got to make some others look at him as a potential problem.
Imagine if Jonas was Remco, went it front and caught up a bunch of guys, asked the other guys in his group to take turns and nobody said yes, i'm pretty sure Remco would throw fits and tantrums !!
Excellent commentary on the stage!
Great drama, great analysis as always! Thanks guys!
Was so excited for this analysis. The last 50km of this stage were absolutely insane! GC has been completely obliterated. Best TdF I've watched in a while and were only 6 stages in.
I am happy there is third team involved. Lets go! Pogačar is still my fav.
I watched the highlights of this race on GCN yesterday evening and I didn't really understand how the race developed; how did such a large break with Hindley go? Thanks a lot, LR, for explaining all the tactics involved!
Loved the video!
while I was watching this, I was anticipating your recap to see all of the strategies in greater detail
My thanks. Carry on!
Awesome tour, awesome stage! Was so surprised they let Hindley go I mean I won Giro last year not 5 years ago! And I was right they had no chance catching him! So glad if this tour isn't a one man battle!
@@MisterG64 My bad, it seems I was using this impression wrongly in my head, you are right. Thanks!
good job jonas ..this is what i say... wait in the mountain stage and see whos keep going into the line...now we see it but, its only the first mountain stage we can wait in the queen stage 😁
Jonas, the legend
Interested as to the watts Vingegaard put out
6,92 in 21 minutes according yl Johan Brunyeel.
@@henriksylvestolsen4885 wow
Sepp Kuss is the man. Best domestique so far this year?
I mean, I believe it’s fair to say that Jonas is the better climber, look at his physique. Pogi has to put it up a noch, and it is so important for his own development that there actually is someone that pushes him to his limits.
Thank you !
LR eres el mejor
Gracias mil!!!
Great commentary!
Do you think trek should invest more on Ciccone or skjelmose? I am biased being italian😅
Skjelmose. Ciccone should lose time on purpose and go for stage wins.
Well, I'm Danish ... and I think Skjelmose have the bigger potential. He is 6 years younger than Ciccone and Ciccone haven't proven himself in previous GTs. Both are very great riders though. Ciccone can put a great GC together this TDF no doubt.
Jonas smoked Jai on the climb too. Wild riding today. Great win for Hindley!
Who’s slamming their bidons and laughing now? 👀
Jumbo Visma have perfected their method of bringing Vingegaard into top form for the TdF..whether it be altitude camps, nutrition / training programmes, etc. And all this in just the space of a year. UAE have a lot to learn.
Been waiting for this the second the stage ended
Can't wait for tomorrow
I think Jonas will put 2 min in to pogacar
So you want another boring 2 weeks ..like tour 2021, when pogacar had 5 minutes on everyone. And nothing happened until the end
Maybe. Will depend on what Pog shows up. Jonas has always been conservative but now he has a TdF on his resume he is clearly acting when he smells blood. But the dynamic will be pretty different from now on. Bora is not as strong a team but Jai is a legitimate GC threat to everyone so it will be interesting how all the teams respond.
@@nelly-gu2qq I don't want it to be like that I just think Jonas will put 2 min on pogacar but I also think Hindley is stronger than pogacar so I think it will be a sprint to the line between Jonas and Hindley
@@ankaslodek3759 yeah..no. I can see hindley losing a lot of time quite soon
@ankaslodek3759 If jonas puts yhe hammer down, hinley is getting dropped. This tour runs through JV and how they want to play it from now on.