Why can't we just have a nice comments section where people give the respect both of these riders deserve, they both love racing each other and make each other better year by year. Us fans are lucky
I sincerely believe that we fans are currently privileged because we are watching one of the best rivalries in the history of this wonderful sport.I am serious Pogacar and Vingigegaard are already and will be remembered as true champions not only for the show they put on when they play against each other but also on an individual level as cyclists enhanced because .The weakness of one is the strength of the other. Vingegaard he is the best climber in the world and stands out in the high mountains but he doesn't have that explosiveness when it comes to attacking that Pogacar has .And also how they approach the season pogacar is someone who has the talent to be very strong and win the whole season. on the other hand Vingegaard bets everything to be the strongest rider in the most important race of the year the Tour de france something that this year unfortunately for him has not been possible. But I have no doubt that with an ideal preparation next year he will come back stronger than ever to try to win it again. Also their rivalry exceeds the road because in media terms they are two radically opposite figures.
Pogacar is definitely the better overall cyclist, but I can't think of any grand tour rivalry ever that was so well balanced. The classical rivalries that come to my mind did basically all have a challenger and a rider that was clearly superior looking at the whole timeframe.
Another rivalry thats amazing.. is between Wout van Aert and Mathieu van der Poel. Both dominating in cyclocross and later in all the classics. They have been riding versus each since they were like 14 or some. I love these type of rivalry's. It usually makes both of them better because of each other. Like Ronaldo and Messi. Sports rivalry is so awsome right!? ❤
In 2023 it felt like Vingegaards level was ridiculous, but Pogacars level in 2024 is simply unprecedented in cycling history. Never seen anything even remotely like it and I've watched the Tour De France since around 1990.
Absolutely correct on one point, wrong on another. Racing is not just the TDF, it is the Classics, the minor classics, the minor tours AND the Track! Pog is far superior a racer to Jonas, just plain fact. But neither are complete racers like Merckx, Coppi, Hinault, etc, they raced track as well. Oh, and the one day races are classics, not monuments. Milan SanRemo, Paris Roubaix, Ghent Wevelghem, Tour of Flanders, Paris Tours, Liege Bastogne Liege, Tour of Lombardy, Bordeaux Paris (now defunct). Only one rider has won the 7 (exclude B Paris), Rik Van Looy, Merckx won 6, never won Paris Tours. Pog has won classics, is always a threat in any of them, Jonas is never a threat in classics, mainly because he never races them. Apart from 2 TDF's what else has he won? Pog is the best racer in the last 20 years.
@@soyHapns We can compare them - against each other they raced 150 times. The result is 120/30 for Tadej and even that is a big difference considering that Jonas doesn't race one day races. On the other hand thank god that Jonas is here because we would watch another Giro at TDF without Jonas in the mix.
@@nazgulzg Comparing them on all the races they competed in is irrelevant , no one does that it's not a relevant statistic. The position they ended up at every single stages doesn't matter. We should look at the overall standings and or any head head finish stages. As I said pogacar is better overall rider and would have the stats proving that, but no need to inflate the statistics for the sake of it
@@soyHapns Ok, we can do that too. They raced 16 races against each other (without DNS/DNF) and the result is 13/3 for Pogacar (I exluded the races where Tadej or Jonas were DNF/DNS). And again, Jonas doesn't participate much in one day races where Pogacar is much stronger. And if that's not enough lets see finishing position (as you said) from those 16 races against each (less is more so, 1st place - 1 point, 50th place - 50 points): 54/440 for Pogacar which means cumulative position from all those 16 races they raced against each other was - 3rd place for Pogacar / 27th place for Vingegaard.
Two of the best in cycling history ever... 💪.. To say how is best its not easy.. They are both legends in such young age.. And there personalitys are the best.. humble... Friendly.. Big hearts.. We normal. People can only try be some %of what they are... Its a pleassure and blessing to live same time and see them cycling....bless you al out there boys 🙏🧙♂️
Right now it is Pogi, mostly based on his classics victories. But anyone thinking that the duel is over doesn’t know their cycling history. The comparisons can really only be seriously made once they are retired. Anything, good or bad, can happen to either of them before their careers end. For now, just enjoy.
Great video, just a few tips: - I think it would’ve been great if you included Vinggegard crawl back on stage 11 in the 2024 tour, so it didn’t seem like a masacre. Apart from that, incredible video
Pogi🇸🇮 is the most versatile rider in the world right now with incredibly strong in the climbs (breaking climbing records) with one of the best TT engine in the peloton also a force in the classics and monuments as well. Vingo🇩🇰 is the perfect GC guy that he's one the best climbers in history of the sports that ever seen that the team wants to win for stage race and GT. But Remco🇧🇪 is also coming with age to catch up mano y mano y mano with them. We, fans are static with these three already legends of the sports.🥇🥈🥉
Primoz build Jumbo Visma, Pogi build UAE Emirates. Don't know if Visma without Primoz can competitive in future... It's team sport, at least at 3 week racing...
These two are not in the same league. 3-2 Tours, 1-0 Giros, 17-4 Tour stage wins. A shitload of Classics vs absolute zero. Not fair to Jonas to compare him to the GOAT in the making.
Pogacar is a better cyclist but this is a real grand tour rivalry, Vingegaard can beat Pogi over 3 weeks when basically no one else can. Remco is more similar to Tadej, in that he can race classics and 1 day races, but Tadej beats him in every respect except TT.
@@tonyg3091 your right poggi is the best ,but try to ad up the times in the 4 tours they have done against each other , they have ben drivning 12000 km whithin minuts, we have to respect the 4 years of Joy, it wouldent have been worth lokking at whithout vinge
@ That is correct. Vingegaard is the only worthy opponent in the Tour. I hope next season he will come even better and we will have one hell of a show.
Love watching these two. Honestly any GT without them both is not nearly as exciting. Polar opposites in every way. One is charismatic and gregarious, one is shy and reserved, one is aggressive and takes risks, one is controlled and calculated, the only thing they have in common is they both want to win and put everything into it. Sure makes for a great TDF every July. Not sure they love each other... in fact I doubt they are sharing a cocktail and reminiscing, but without a doubt, they respect one another and make each other better.
The thing that impresses me the most with Jonas is the fact that he never really blew up during any tdf, he never lost 4/5mn like pogacar did 2 times already. On the other hand Pogacar's ability to bounce back from a poor day is really impressive too
@@lukasullrich705 Not really true, pogacars attacks are visually more impressive, they both go deep in their efforts and their ability to suffer from it is incredible but vingegaard can cope better than pogacar
I believe that Pogacar has more potential than Jonas. Jonas never really does anything wrong; he's very disciplined and races very intelligently (kind of boring though). Tadej attacks all the time, chases everything, and forgets to eat sometimes and bonks -- and yet they've been pretty competitive with one another. Tadej was much smarter in this year's tour and he was unstoppable. FWIW, I also think that it was a pretty even playing field between Jonas and Tadej this year. Jonas had the crash, but Tadej had the fatigue of pretty full classics campaign and a dominant Giro.
That crash and fatigue are not comparable at all.. Jonas was in the ICU. Don’t get me wrong I’m not trying to find excuses. Pogacar was better but so was his team. Those made it almost impossible for Jonas to win it. I hope next year is more competitive. With Kuss back and hopefully Wout finds his form back
@@romanvercier3556 While dramatic, I don't think the crash had long term consequences other than missed training. So I see it as Jonas' fitness vs. Tadej's fatigue. I'm pretty sure Jonas was producing better numbers than he'd ever done before so he wasn't that bad off, but Pog seems to have unlocked a new level. I admit I'm totally biased :). I'm absolutely swayed by Tadej's charisma, panache, and general entertainment value! Agreed... next year should be great!
@@ghoti_phnqJonas spent 2 weeks in a bed, which lead to big muscle mass loss and thus lack of punch ; and the mental toll of crashing at 80km/h in a descent was huge for him, leading to decreased descending ability… the impact of the crash was huge for him (he punctured both lungs and really thought he was dying, which made him less willing to take unnecessary risks, unlike Pogacar who rode like a demon at the risk of loosing everything)
@@annegkst8266 Relax Only few riders can win giro/tour besides many classics;jonas will NEVER achieve it. Pogacar came exausted to the tour after winning giro and classics.jonas rested..
New coach and training program! Inigo San Milan was replaced by Javier Sola (the guy who made Adam Yates a beast last year) this year as Pogacar head coach and he changed his training program a lot - for now it's seems it's working!
There really is no comparison, once you take into account that cycling is far more than just TdF. Tadej's resume is laughably bigger than Jonas's. There is a reason why people like to compare Pogi to Merckx.
im more amazed at vinegaurd just by his paper thin body stature. From the outside looking in you would not think he is strong but weak by lacking muscle, body fat, body mass. Does he just have a natural gift or is it years of training?
Love Jonas but it's Tadej all the way!! The fact that 2 of his 3 TdFs he basically won without a team, meanwhile Jonas needed a superteam (and I LOVE Jumbo) is all the proof you need. Take away the teams and have them go 1v1, Tadej is winning every time. But I'm just glad to be able to live at a time with so many entertaining riders (Tadej, Jonas, WvA, Primoz, Remco, etc). Cycling fans are very blessed at the moment!
There is NO rivalry, Pog is simply orders of magnitude better than Vino. Look at their records, Pog has won 6 monuments (plus many classics and a 3rd at the world) Vino has none of these wins. Vino won 2 TdF over Pog because of circumstances (Roglic and Pog's injury). Pog exists in the most rare of worlds, where only Merckx is subject to comparison.
Why compare Pogi to a doper like Merckx? He deserves better than that. And no one is saying Pogi isn't the better overall rider; it's just fascinating what happens when he faces a pure GC rider like Vingegaard. Would you rather be without this rivalry in the grand tours? Pogi just trampling over everyone like this year's Giro? For cycling, it's important to have both a Pogi and a Vingegaard
2022 Vinge wins over pogi with no roglic he dropped him big time in 2 mountain stages and cruised the last TT the last 3 k while celebrating. It was not just team as some still talk about today(definately not just circumstances the watts dont lie). 2023 pogi might have suffered from a crash but not that much as he put up his best performances at that time in the first 2 weeks. 2024 Vingegaard crashes, but pogi also hits a over 5% improvement in his climbing at the same time from all his former 5 years at UAE. So far Vinge has had superiority in the mountains it might have changed now, as Vingegaard is getting older and pogi is in his prime, but vingegaard also broke all records on stage 15 like pogacar, despite his crash, no way of knowing how good he would have been without the crash, which was a horror crash compared to pogis last year. Vingegaard in 2023 also won everything he touched, all from gran camino, Dauphine, Tour of basque, and the tdf as well as the vuelta except he gifted first place to his teammate and took second instead. This year he did the same up until the crash, Won Grand camino, and Tirreno Adriatico. What Pogi does is he can also win 1 day races. Vingegaard wins the stage races. So pogacar has an extra strength compared to vingegaard but at least the 2021-2023 Jonas has then had his strentgh at a higher level than pogis - the mountains.
I hate to be that guy, but the audio sounds quite off. Might be worth reuploading it? Otherwise this is a great and accurate video. Excellent story telling!
GOAT is the current buzz word…..but how do we measure this? It happens in all elite sport people are so quick to label athletes rather than offer support and respect for their achievements. I respect all the hard work all those athletes and their support crews put in to win anything. Personal domination is almost always a product of hard work, we should never underestimate their dedication and what they give up to be one of the best.
For the people who say Jonas is just a one trick pony because he doesn’t do classics, you need to remember he is a pure 58 kg climber, while Pogacar is nearly 10 kg heavier ; they aren’t that similar in body type and racing abilities, the same way MVDP and WVA aren’t that similar either (MVDP is a better classic and cx racer, but he couldn’t be the leader in points and KOM jersey in a GT)
@@Mase251 enjoy the sport or don't watch it... i doubt you comment the same shit under every athletics post or think the same way when you watch the UFC. Or you think that every referee is legit in football, etc...
We are gifted to have such a duel every year in cycling, I think Pogi is the best rider in the peleton, he is super well rounded and can win almost every race. But I think Vingegaard is the best GC rider.
Last year I agreed that while Jonas was the best GT rider, Pogacar was obviously the best overall rider ; this year though his perfs are so suspicious that I can’t no longer believe in him nor his team… and UAE has so much money that I guess that nothing will ever be revealed (at least as long as they are in cycling circuit)
@@GaiusPrimusMatius no, it can’t… the perf level and money available at UAE are totally on another level, not even comparable… not once did Pogacar look tired after finishing a stage where he obliterated everybody, not even after 2 GTs… he progressed both in strength and endurance, which should be impossible… his progression from last year is way too suspicious when he was already at a very high level…
You forgot to mention Pogacar came into the 2023 Tour with an injury... you all revel in his loss in 2023... but that year Pogacar was recovering.. very hypocritical
I don't think Pogi spent 12 days in hospital with the wrist injury but other than that your point is valid. It should be mentioned but Vingegaard suffered a Bernal-like crash where there were serious doubts as to whether he could return to this level. That's why it's so impressive what he did this year
Did he? It was all kept hush hush.. It'd be interesting to see what TUE were filed, if any, along with the full list of drugs administered in the hospital and during his recovery process.
@@mixa7039 Uhm, yeah? Ryder Hesjedal? Leah Kirchmann? Also, those are RACES. You don't need performing riders to have a World Tour race in your country.
@@mixa7039 Oh I don't know, the winner of Giro 2012 and the second best female cyclist of the 2016 season according to the UCI World Tour classification.
@@Leslie-Risse Wow the second best female cyclist of the 2016 season according to the UCI world tour classification will be there? Why didn't you say so !
If Jonah didn't almost die broken ribs punctured lung he came back beat tadej in one stage I believe Jonah would of beat him again just not 7 minutes like last year maybe 1 to two minutes tadej got hurt last year a broken wrist big wuup!
No way...Jonas had had one of the best performances of his life- he has said this...maybe the difference wouldn't be almost 7 minutes but Vingo would loose anyway despite the incident... Pogačar was on another level this Year....
Tadej is more well-rounded, and is the better overall rider. Jonas is the better grand tour rider. Tadej is more explosive. Jonas has a stronger steady pace.
@@user1qaz2wsx3edc stage 11 of this year's tour highlighted Jonas' one advantage over Pogacar. Pogacar's strategy at every mountain stage is to save energy until the end and then blast to the finish. But in stage 11, the finish was near the end of a cat 3 climb, finishing off with a 3km climb. Unfortunately, Jonas having to ride after an injury and with a compromised team makes comparisons more difficult than they should be. The absence of Sepp Kuss was especially noticeable. He was a key domestique in the two previous tours, forcing the peloton into very uncomfortable speeds during the mountain stages. His pace contributed to Pogacar to imploding in the mountains two years in a row. This year, not only was Pogacar in the best condition of his life, he arguably also had the best team of domestiques in the entire peloton. Watching Pogacar destroy the tour was very entertaining, but I also feel like we were robbed of a good rivalry this year. Hopefully, next year will be more exciting, with Jonas in full health and Remco on the come up.
You forgot to mention that Jonas 1st sport was football(which he wasnt good enough), so went into cycling, much like Roglic whos 1st sport was skiing jumping, they both were desperate to become a sportsman in any sport, at least Pogachar has cycling at heart and not just a cash cow, and enjoys it weatger he wins or not, he dosnt cry for fans
@@robbyrogersberg1520actually 19, his DS at ColoQuick Christian Andersen set it up to help him better structure his days. Packing fish 6-12, ride in the afternoon. Jonas has been riding a bike since 10 years old when he joined his local cycling club. All this is readily available online so I don't know what kind of point you're trying to make 🤷 But I can tell you Michael Valgren once worked at that same fish factory. Lots of cyclists have part time jobs when they're young
this is not a lucrative sport. putting in 10-15 years to get paid at best a few million a year--assuming you're a gc winner or classics winner-- is inefficient if you're looking for money. chances are you'll be a no name domestique for that same amount of work but be paid at best 60-100k. all of them do it for the sport, not the money.
Calling Vingegaard a cash cow is a crazy statement. If you compare Pogi and Vingegaard it's clear who is promoting expensive items living in Monaco, and who is a family man with cheap Ikea furniture.
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Why can't we just have a nice comments section where people give the respect both of these riders deserve, they both love racing each other and make each other better year by year. Us fans are lucky
These two exceptional riders brought back the golden age of cycling. It’s a privilege to witness their rivalry!!
No. The man who made cycling great again was Peter Sagan.
I sincerely believe that we fans are currently privileged because we are watching one of the best rivalries in the history of this wonderful sport.I am serious Pogacar and Vingigegaard are already and will be remembered as true champions not only for the show they put on when they play against each other but also on an individual level as cyclists enhanced because .The weakness of one is the strength of the other. Vingegaard he is the best climber in the world and stands out in the high mountains but he doesn't have that explosiveness when it comes to attacking that Pogacar has .And also how they approach the season pogacar is someone who has the talent to be very strong and win the whole season. on the other hand Vingegaard bets everything to be the strongest rider in the most important race of the year the Tour de france something that this year unfortunately for him has not been possible. But I have no doubt that with an ideal preparation next year he will come back stronger than ever to try to win it again. Also their rivalry exceeds the road because in media terms they are two radically opposite figures.
Pogacar is definitely the better overall cyclist, but I can't think of any grand tour rivalry ever that was so well balanced. The classical rivalries that come to my mind did basically all have a challenger and a rider that was clearly superior looking at the whole timeframe.
Another rivalry thats amazing.. is between Wout van Aert and Mathieu van der Poel. Both dominating in cyclocross and later in all the classics. They have been riding versus each since they were like 14 or some. I love these type of rivalry's. It usually makes both of them better because of each other. Like Ronaldo and Messi. Sports rivalry is so awsome right!? ❤
This year Pogacar climbed at 7 W/Kg for 40 minutes, attacking at 1000 Watts. Vingegaard had no answer.
@@MonitorMichael cuz vingegaard nearly died 3 moths earlier its a miracle that he was able to race so well
@@Cyclingeditzzz1 Agreed
In 2023 it felt like Vingegaards level was ridiculous, but Pogacars level in 2024 is simply unprecedented in cycling history. Never seen anything even remotely like it and I've watched the Tour De France since around 1990.
What about Lance?
@@andropk5 not even close to Pog
@@sebastianlauri9622 Hard to believe, since he won 5/7 TDFs with at least 6 minute lead.
@@andropk5look at the watts, plus Pogacar is so much younger and Vingegaard is much better than any of Lance conpetitors
Which makes it fishy af
Cycling is not JUST the TDF.. you should compare these two in Monuments as well.. Tadej is a much stronger rider than Jonas..
How about comparing them where we can? We all know that Tadej is a better overall rider, that makes Jonas's wins over him really impressive
Absolutely correct on one point, wrong on another. Racing is not just the TDF, it is the Classics, the minor classics, the minor tours AND the Track! Pog is far superior a racer to Jonas, just plain fact. But neither are complete racers like Merckx, Coppi, Hinault, etc, they raced track as well. Oh, and the one day races are classics, not monuments. Milan SanRemo, Paris Roubaix, Ghent Wevelghem, Tour of Flanders, Paris Tours, Liege Bastogne Liege, Tour of Lombardy, Bordeaux Paris (now defunct). Only one rider has won the 7 (exclude B Paris), Rik Van Looy, Merckx won 6, never won Paris Tours. Pog has won classics, is always a threat in any of them, Jonas is never a threat in classics, mainly because he never races them. Apart from 2 TDF's what else has he won? Pog is the best racer in the last 20 years.
@@soyHapns We can compare them - against each other they raced 150 times. The result is 120/30 for Tadej and even that is a big difference considering that Jonas doesn't race one day races. On the other hand thank god that Jonas is here because we would watch another Giro at TDF without Jonas in the mix.
@@nazgulzg Comparing them on all the races they competed in is irrelevant , no one does that it's not a relevant statistic. The position they ended up at every single stages doesn't matter. We should look at the overall standings and or any head head finish stages. As I said pogacar is better overall rider and would have the stats proving that, but no need to inflate the statistics for the sake of it
@@soyHapns Ok, we can do that too. They raced 16 races against each other (without DNS/DNF) and the result is 13/3 for Pogacar (I exluded the races where Tadej or Jonas were DNF/DNS). And again, Jonas doesn't participate much in one day races where Pogacar is much stronger. And if that's not enough lets see finishing position (as you said) from those 16 races against each (less is more so, 1st place - 1 point, 50th place - 50 points): 54/440 for Pogacar which means cumulative position from all those 16 races they raced against each other was - 3rd place for Pogacar / 27th place for Vingegaard.
Two of the best in cycling history ever... 💪.. To say how is best its not easy.. They are both legends in such young age.. And there personalitys are the best.. humble... Friendly.. Big hearts.. We normal. People can only try be some %of what they are... Its a pleassure and blessing to live same time and see them cycling....bless you al out there boys 🙏🧙♂️
We have been able to watch amazing Tour de France editions with these two! I hope both stay healthy for the next one
Right now it is Pogi, mostly based on his classics victories. But anyone thinking that the duel is over doesn’t know their cycling history. The comparisons can really only be seriously made once they are retired. Anything, good or bad, can happen to either of them before their careers end. For now, just enjoy.
Great video, just a few tips:
- I think it would’ve been great if you included Vinggegard crawl back on stage 11 in the 2024 tour, so it didn’t seem like a masacre.
Apart from that, incredible video
@@abrahamantoniodelabarrera8112 I agree. I felt this was slightly biased in favor of Vineggard.
Pogi🇸🇮 is the most versatile rider in the world right now with incredibly strong in the climbs (breaking climbing records) with one of the best TT engine in the peloton also a force in the classics and monuments as well.
Vingo🇩🇰 is the perfect GC guy that he's one the best climbers in history of the sports that ever seen that the team wants to win for stage race and GT.
But Remco🇧🇪 is also coming with age to catch up mano y mano y mano with them.
We, fans are static with these three already legends of the sports.🥇🥈🥉
Primoz build Jumbo Visma, Pogi build UAE Emirates. Don't know if Visma without Primoz can competitive in future... It's team sport, at least at 3 week racing...
These two are not in the same league. 3-2 Tours, 1-0 Giros, 17-4 Tour stage wins. A shitload of Classics vs absolute zero.
Not fair to Jonas to compare him to the GOAT in the making.
Pogacar is a better cyclist but this is a real grand tour rivalry, Vingegaard can beat Pogi over 3 weeks when basically no one else can. Remco is more similar to Tadej, in that he can race classics and 1 day races, but Tadej beats him in every respect except TT.
@@tonyg3091 your right poggi is the best ,but try to ad up the times in the 4 tours they have done against each other , they have ben drivning 12000 km whithin minuts, we have to respect the 4 years of Joy, it wouldent have been worth lokking at whithout vinge
@ That is correct. Vingegaard is the only worthy opponent in the Tour. I hope next season he will come even better and we will have one hell of a show.
Love watching these two. Honestly any GT without them both is not nearly as exciting. Polar opposites in every way. One is charismatic and gregarious, one is shy and reserved, one is aggressive and takes risks, one is controlled and calculated, the only thing they have in common is they both want to win and put everything into it. Sure makes for a great TDF every July. Not sure they love each other... in fact I doubt they are sharing a cocktail and reminiscing, but without a doubt, they respect one another and make each other better.
The thing that impresses me the most with Jonas is the fact that he never really blew up during any tdf, he never lost 4/5mn like pogacar did 2 times already. On the other hand Pogacar's ability to bounce back from a poor day is really impressive too
Vinge never goes as deep as pogi does with his attacks
@@lukasullrich705 Not really true, pogacars attacks are visually more impressive, they both go deep in their efforts and their ability to suffer from it is incredible but vingegaard can cope better than pogacar
@@soyHapns
Vingegard copes better in classics also.😂
I believe that Pogacar has more potential than Jonas. Jonas never really does anything wrong; he's very disciplined and races very intelligently (kind of boring though). Tadej attacks all the time, chases everything, and forgets to eat sometimes and bonks -- and yet they've been pretty competitive with one another. Tadej was much smarter in this year's tour and he was unstoppable. FWIW, I also think that it was a pretty even playing field between Jonas and Tadej this year. Jonas had the crash, but Tadej had the fatigue of pretty full classics campaign and a dominant Giro.
That crash and fatigue are not comparable at all.. Jonas was in the ICU. Don’t get me wrong I’m not trying to find excuses. Pogacar was better but so was his team. Those made it almost impossible for Jonas to win it.
I hope next year is more competitive. With Kuss back and hopefully Wout finds his form back
@@romanvercier3556 While dramatic, I don't think the crash had long term consequences other than missed training. So I see it as Jonas' fitness vs. Tadej's fatigue. I'm pretty sure Jonas was producing better numbers than he'd ever done before so he wasn't that bad off, but Pog seems to have unlocked a new level. I admit I'm totally biased :). I'm absolutely swayed by Tadej's charisma, panache, and general entertainment value! Agreed... next year should be great!
@@ghoti_phnqJonas spent 2 weeks in a bed, which lead to big muscle mass loss and thus lack of punch ; and the mental toll of crashing at 80km/h in a descent was huge for him, leading to decreased descending ability… the impact of the crash was huge for him (he punctured both lungs and really thought he was dying, which made him less willing to take unnecessary risks, unlike Pogacar who rode like a demon at the risk of loosing everything)
@@annegkst8266
Relax
Only few riders can win giro/tour besides many classics;jonas will NEVER achieve it.
Pogacar came exausted to the tour after winning giro and classics.jonas rested..
@@user1qaz2wsx3edc OK troll
Pogacar hands down. Jonas is a spectacular rider but is a one trick pony. Tadej can win both grand tours and one day classics.
good work keep it up👍
AMAZING EDITING SKILLS YOU HAVE BRO
No body mention how Pogacar improved so much from “I’m gone. I’m dead” less than a year ago now he has broken a doped rider over 3 minutes.
New coach and training program! Inigo San Milan was replaced by Javier Sola (the guy who made Adam Yates a beast last year) this year as Pogacar head coach and he changed his training program a lot - for now it's seems it's working!
“I’m coming from o DEATH BED 2 months before Tour and still making records and 2nd place overall “:Vinga
Ps: you forgot to mention 😊😘
There really is no comparison, once you take into account that cycling is far more than just TdF. Tadej's resume is laughably bigger than Jonas's. There is a reason why people like to compare Pogi to Merckx.
im more amazed at vinegaurd just by his paper thin body stature. From the outside looking in you would not think he is strong but weak by lacking muscle, body fat, body mass. Does he just have a natural gift or is it years of training?
You are showing footage from the Pla d'Adet instead of Plateau de Beille, if my memory serves me right
Strong team members is the most important in winning a grand tour.
We can see this on this tour and last year
Love Jonas but it's Tadej all the way!! The fact that 2 of his 3 TdFs he basically won without a team, meanwhile Jonas needed a superteam (and I LOVE Jumbo) is all the proof you need. Take away the teams and have them go 1v1, Tadej is winning every time. But I'm just glad to be able to live at a time with so many entertaining riders (Tadej, Jonas, WvA, Primoz, Remco, etc). Cycling fans are very blessed at the moment!
Ah, Dopacar and Eponas. My fav dbz characters!!
Where is almeida bro
😂😂😂
There is NO rivalry, Pog is simply orders of magnitude better than Vino. Look at their records, Pog has won 6 monuments (plus many classics and a 3rd at the world) Vino has none of these wins. Vino won 2 TdF over Pog because of circumstances (Roglic and Pog's injury). Pog exists in the most rare of worlds, where only Merckx is subject to comparison.
Why compare Pogi to a doper like Merckx? He deserves better than that. And no one is saying Pogi isn't the better overall rider; it's just fascinating what happens when he faces a pure GC rider like Vingegaard. Would you rather be without this rivalry in the grand tours? Pogi just trampling over everyone like this year's Giro? For cycling, it's important to have both a Pogi and a Vingegaard
2022 Vinge wins over pogi with no roglic he dropped him big time in 2 mountain stages and cruised the last TT the last 3 k while celebrating. It was not just team as some still talk about today(definately not just circumstances the watts dont lie). 2023 pogi might have suffered from a crash but not that much as he put up his best performances at that time in the first 2 weeks.
2024 Vingegaard crashes, but pogi also hits a over 5% improvement in his climbing at the same time from all his former 5 years at UAE. So far Vinge has had superiority in the mountains it might have changed now, as Vingegaard is getting older and pogi is in his prime, but vingegaard also broke all records on stage 15 like pogacar, despite his crash, no way of knowing how good he would have been without the crash, which was a horror crash compared to pogis last year.
Vingegaard in 2023 also won everything he touched, all from gran camino, Dauphine, Tour of basque, and the tdf as well as the vuelta except he gifted first place to his teammate and took second instead. This year he did the same up until the crash, Won Grand camino, and Tirreno Adriatico. What Pogi does is he can also win 1 day races. Vingegaard wins the stage races. So pogacar has an extra strength compared to vingegaard but at least the 2021-2023 Jonas has then had his strentgh at a higher level than pogis - the mountains.
@@TellusJDJonas is only 27 and also in his prime
@@TellusJD Not one classic or monument... and Pog has won more GTs Pog has won 18 TdF stages... Vino 6
@@mikkelline11 You think Pug does not dope? If you do you know nothing about cycling doping.
I hate to be that guy, but the audio sounds quite off. Might be worth reuploading it?
Otherwise this is a great and accurate video. Excellent story telling!
GOAT is the current buzz word…..but how do we measure this? It happens in all elite sport people are so quick to label athletes rather than offer support and respect for their achievements. I respect all the hard work all those athletes and their support crews put in to win anything. Personal domination is almost always a product of hard work, we should never underestimate their dedication and what they give up to be one of the best.
For the people who say Jonas is just a one trick pony because he doesn’t do classics, you need to remember he is a pure 58 kg climber, while Pogacar is nearly 10 kg heavier ; they aren’t that similar in body type and racing abilities, the same way MVDP and WVA aren’t that similar either (MVDP is a better classic and cx racer, but he couldn’t be the leader in points and KOM jersey in a GT)
Putting Ayuso in the same level than Remco is criminal xD very good video tho!
Thank you!
Pog is just more fun to watch. Until Jonas starts winning Monuments it's not even a discussion.
06:40 these are also numbers, that Lance, Pantani, Ulle and Riis have been pushing…
Another era... nutrition and training are on another level nowadays
@@luuzmaster3418 ah yeah it’s definitely this… and the socks of course.
@@Mase251 enjoy the sport or don't watch it... i doubt you comment the same shit under every athletics post or think the same way when you watch the UFC. Or you think that every referee is legit in football, etc...
Pogi GOAT
Yes of course, Greatest Shitshow of all time maybe 😂😂😂
This guy and his perfomances are one big bad joke,……
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Kindergard pedals like a 5 year old child ...
It's obvious who's the best, just look at their achievements, that will tell you who's best, and he's younger also
Two champions, but it’s like comparing Froome to Merckx. Both are super-humans, but one is clearly Superman, and it’s Tadej
Pog can do it in any race at any time of the year 👌
We are gifted to have such a duel every year in cycling, I think Pogi is the best rider in the peleton, he is super well rounded and can win almost every race. But I think Vingegaard is the best GC rider.
Tadej is definetely most interesting and funny person of all cycling world!🤩
Please don't compare remco with pogacar and Jonas....they are class apart....❤
Team Jonas, obviusly respecting everyone👇
Pogi no contest. He can do all. Amazing rider 👏👏👏
7w pr kg for 40 min is inhuman
I like it one of the best so far
Thank you
Last year I agreed that while Jonas was the best GT rider, Pogacar was obviously the best overall rider ; this year though his perfs are so suspicious that I can’t no longer believe in him nor his team… and UAE has so much money that I guess that nothing will ever be revealed (at least as long as they are in cycling circuit)
..the same could be be said about Jonas and his team... Don't u think so?...
@@GaiusPrimusMatius no, it can’t… the perf level and money available at UAE are totally on another level, not even comparable… not once did Pogacar look tired after finishing a stage where he obliterated everybody, not even after 2 GTs… he progressed both in strength and endurance, which should be impossible… his progression from last year is way too suspicious when he was already at a very high level…
Ok Troll 🧌
Adam Yates and Ayuso? You got to be kidding me! Is that a joke? More like Adam yates and João Almeida. Ayuso was shit and above all he was selfish.
Poggi is the best , but luckely wee have vinge , otherwise it would be boring
You’ll have to ask a pharmacist 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Do you really have doubts? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Like yr accent. Keep talking
Didn't you see who is better?
Lance Armstrong all the way
Armstrong and Altuve :the
greatest cheaters on earth.
You forgot to mention Pogacar came into the 2023 Tour with an injury... you all revel in his loss in 2023... but that year Pogacar was recovering.. very hypocritical
I don't think Pogi spent 12 days in hospital with the wrist injury but other than that your point is valid. It should be mentioned but Vingegaard suffered a Bernal-like crash where there were serious doubts as to whether he could return to this level. That's why it's so impressive what he did this year
@@mikkelline11 That‘s true, but they showed his wrist was still broken starting the TDF. So it definetily affected him
@@T0EHM Definitely. If the cycling gods are with us, fingers crossed they are both injury free in 2025 :)
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If Jonas spent his energy in winning the classics and giro,he would be' exausted in the tdf.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Did he? It was all kept hush hush.. It'd be interesting to see what TUE were filed, if any, along with the full list of drugs administered in the hospital and during his recovery process.
Don't jump to the Tour 2025 just yet! There are the two canadian classics of Québec and Montréal mid-september, and then the Lombardia mid-october!
Canadian cycling?
@@mixa7039 Uhm, yeah? Ryder Hesjedal? Leah Kirchmann?
Also, those are RACES. You don't need performing riders to have a World Tour race in your country.
@@Leslie-Risse who?
@@mixa7039 Oh I don't know, the winner of Giro 2012 and the second best female cyclist of the 2016 season according to the UCI World Tour classification.
@@Leslie-Risse Wow the second best female cyclist of the 2016 season according to the UCI world tour classification will be there? Why didn't you say so !
If Jonas is 100 💯 is a Little bit better licke tadej in grand tours,but in rest of the race Tadej îs better!
I think remco is better than jonas
Not yet ,maybe in a year or two
Not yet
Remco pedals much better than Jonas,who by using high gears will wear him out soon like Fuente.
W video and first :)
If Jonah didn't almost die broken ribs punctured lung he came back beat tadej in one stage I believe Jonah would of beat him again just not 7 minutes like last year maybe 1 to two minutes tadej got hurt last year a broken wrist big wuup!
No way...Jonas had had one of the best performances of his life- he has said this...maybe the difference wouldn't be almost 7 minutes but Vingo would loose anyway despite the incident... Pogačar was on another level this Year....
Very obvious, everybody knows its Pogi
First Danish TdF winner since Bjarne Riis? Come on. Bjarne was such a doper. Armstrong level.
jonas is the best
Was..
In wheelsucking..😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Tadej is more well-rounded, and is the better overall rider. Jonas is the better grand tour rider. Tadej is more explosive. Jonas has a stronger steady pace.
You live on Mars?Reminder: pogacar won 3 tdf.and giro.
@@user1qaz2wsx3edc stage 11 of this year's tour highlighted Jonas' one advantage over Pogacar. Pogacar's strategy at every mountain stage is to save energy until the end and then blast to the finish. But in stage 11, the finish was near the end of a cat 3 climb, finishing off with a 3km climb. Unfortunately, Jonas having to ride after an injury and with a compromised team makes comparisons more difficult than they should be.
The absence of Sepp Kuss was especially noticeable. He was a key domestique in the two previous tours, forcing the peloton into very uncomfortable speeds during the mountain stages. His pace contributed to Pogacar to imploding in the mountains two years in a row. This year, not only was Pogacar in the best condition of his life, he arguably also had the best team of domestiques in the entire peloton.
Watching Pogacar destroy the tour was very entertaining, but I also feel like we were robbed of a good rivalry this year. Hopefully, next year will be more exciting, with Jonas in full health and Remco on the come up.
You forgot to mention that Jonas 1st sport was football(which he wasnt good enough), so went into cycling, much like Roglic whos 1st sport was skiing jumping, they both were desperate to become a sportsman in any sport, at least Pogachar has cycling at heart and not just a cash cow, and enjoys it weatger he wins or not, he dosnt cry for fans
Vingegaard stopped playing football when he was still a young boy and realized he was much better at cycling 😂 wouldn't call that desperate
@@mikkelline11 he was packing fish at 18 years old
@@robbyrogersberg1520actually 19, his DS at ColoQuick Christian Andersen set it up to help him better structure his days. Packing fish 6-12, ride in the afternoon. Jonas has been riding a bike since 10 years old when he joined his local cycling club. All this is readily available online so I don't know what kind of point you're trying to make 🤷
But I can tell you Michael Valgren once worked at that same fish factory. Lots of cyclists have part time jobs when they're young
this is not a lucrative sport. putting in 10-15 years to get paid at best a few million a year--assuming you're a gc winner or classics winner-- is inefficient if you're looking for money. chances are you'll be a no name domestique for that same amount of work but be paid at best 60-100k. all of them do it for the sport, not the money.
Calling Vingegaard a cash cow is a crazy statement. If you compare Pogi and Vingegaard it's clear who is promoting expensive items living in Monaco, and who is a family man with cheap Ikea furniture.
And with these W/Kg values of the anchovy and the pogalien, nobody here talks about the juice…
They’re both on roids
And you know beacause ??
Slownas Vingetard doesn't stand a chance, Pogacar and big balls Remco are too good for him.
Why didn't Remco finish 2nd on GC then? If he is so much better? 😂
Remco can’t even beat injured Jonas, he hasn’t got a chance next year😂
@@jeremyclarkson9025 How many olympic gold medals does Vingey boy got?
@@mixa7039 how many Tour de France does Remco have?
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How many classics vingegard ????😂