@@ollieheiz4703Lida says it to the player when she's explaining the Hornsent's motivations for wanting to face Messmer. It's also why she suspects him first of wanting to turn on Miquella.
I was just thinking about that! I figured it was Leda hand-waving the tragedy of Messmer’s war, saying it wasn’t important to them now, but it really hits different after seeing what they did to Marika
@@Cogexkintrue yeah, i had to sit there with the ramifications that all the pain and suffering in the history of the lands between is simply a broken cycle of revenge and inquisition, really puts ymirs words into perspective when he says "the part that troubles me, is that no matter our efforts, if the roots are rotten, we have little recourse" saying that it doesnt matter who becomes lord or god or whatever, all that will happen is the eventual decay. shit is fucking heartwrenching. all these people suffering for the hatred of victims
Looking at this and listening to the ambience, I feel melancholia and sadness. This place is Marika’s old home. It’s not a castle, not something grandiose or opulent. It’s just a village. And then I connect it with the newly discovered lore about Marika and I can’t help but feel sadness and, can’t believe I’m saying this, sympathy for her. Her people had been brutalized by the Hornsent, so she became a god, conceived Messmer and sent him to do the same to them. The victim became the abuser. The cycle continues.
@@franciscoramadhan9156 So, in the Bonny Village, the place where living jars were made, there’s a ghost saying that the place where "shamans" belong is in the jar. Marika’s people, the Numen, or the "Shamans" as they were known in the Land of Shadow, had the ability to harmoniously meld their flesh with others. Hornsent, then-dominant people of the Land of Shadow, had this tradition of putting people they considered sinners (those born without horns) into jars so they would be reborn as saints. They chose Marika’s family and friends for the next jar batch, as their grafting talent and lack of horns made them the perfect target. Unfortunately for them, they forgot about one Marika. And in her rage and need for revenge, she became a god and soon enacted a purge of the Lands through Messmer.
@@vaclavsoukup7302Reading this and I feel like a prepare to cry video of Vaati. Lore of the DLC is no glorious or triumphant, it evokes sadness for all the characters involved.
From the Minor Erdtree incantation: “Marika bathed the village of her home in gold, knowing full well that there was no one left to heal.” The tragedy of genocide
That also reflects the tragedy of every genocide in our world too. Just look at what nazis did to jews and other such many genocides happen in Africa congolese by the Belgium 🇧🇪.....during world War events
this is possibly the most depressing and loneliest locale in the entire game, contrasted with its beautiful visuals. This is the LAST place I’d want to rest
Marika stricken with grief. Became exactly what she hated. God this makes me love marika as a character damn. I used to hate ber but now i just feel pity and sorrow. Her entire people killed and turned into jars while she was the sole survivor. Becoming a god to enact retribution on those who hurt her and her people. Becoming what she hated
SPOILERS if you want to know about Marika’s cruel fate: . . . . We can learn a few things from piecing together the descriptions of the golden braid, minor erdtree and the spirit's dialogue in Bonny Village, namely that the shaman village was Marika's home. It was there where her people were slaughtered by the hornsent to become jar "saints" and she would begin her path of vengeance and ascent to godhood. As Leda remarks of the hornset "They were never saints. They just happened to be on the losing side of a war". After putting the hornsent to the sword with the power of the base serpent within Messmer and an army of tarnished, Marika would reach the top of Enir-llim and the gate of divinty. It was here she sought to create a perfect world where nobody would truly die again and would erase any signs of the existence of the crucible and its people who wronged her. Marika would return to her village and sprout a minor erdtree to show them just how far she had come, but nobody remained... During her reign as god and vessel of the Elden Ring, Marika would birth many demigod children, however in a cruel twist of fate, her and Godfrey would birth the omen twins. Her own flesh and blood bore the traits of the very people who committed atrocities against her family and loved ones. After everything Marika did, even after ascending to godhood she still could not deny the reality of the crucible of life and so they were exiled to the depths below the royal capital. As undeniable as the crucible of life, is the fact that it must end. Marika likely plucked the rune of death from the Elden Ring so nobody she loved may die again but tragedy would strike again for Marika. Her golden child, perfection incarnate, Godwyn would suffer the first death of a demigod and so Marika would learn she could not escape the nature of the world, not even in godhood. Perhaps this led to the shattering of the Elden Ring, an act of vengeance on false promises or perhaps she realized Metyr's fingers were in fact broken from the start, either way it adds a lot to the character of Marika and the overall story of the game.
I wonder of she was empyrean before or after the massacre of her village. It also begs the question as to whether the elden beast (and thus elden ring) was called to TLB by Marika or by a previous god of the land. Was the scene in the beginning of the trailer her summoning the elden beast from the stars above, or was it her awakening it from its elden ring form to take its place within her? And if it was Marika who did summoned it from the beyond, was it the fingers and Metyr who convinced her? So many questions. Since Placidusax's remembrance basically confirms the existence of other gods previous to Marika, I wonder if the previous god the land was a hornsent god. Would explain the similar level of atrocity committed and why they inhabit Belurat (to guard the gates of divinity and prevent other gods from ascending)
i feel bad for her,she gave birth to 5 children,2 omens ,two accursed children and gowdyn,the "healthy" and the one that resembles her the most,just for her golden child to be killed eternally
I just found this place myself and honesty I think it’s one of the best areas of the game simply due to the ambiance. It feels more alive, sacred even compared to other areas. No enemies to disturb the tranquil peace, like the game grows its hallowed ground. Lore wise i have a theory as to what happened from what I was able to piece together Spoilers ahead. the Shamans seemed to have a connection to divinity and as a result were captured or persecuted (probably by the Hornsent) their flesh carved up and put into jars and becoming those flesh monsters in the jails. Supposedly this was done to make them divine or something along those lines. I’m assuming it was something similar to what Miquilla did with Mogh’s body, using his flesh as a vessel for his consort. Honestly I don’t blame Marika for being pissed at the Hornsent. Hopefully I’ll figure out more as I continue playing.
In many religious imagery across our world sinners are depicted being stuffed into jars or pots to punish and cleanse them of their sins. Sinners being subjective to whatever religion decides it's sin, it's also likely as per another item description that the idea to turn them into saints was to cleanse them of their sins or punish them. Marikas people and village might have been punished and stuffed into pots as punishment to cleanse them of their sins and turn them into "saints". The reason for their murder by the hornsent might have been their religion which apparently buries it's people in trees and can create holy trees out of the earth as shown by minor erdtree incantation. The hornsent seem to believe that their scadutree is the only holy tree when in fact we have seen multiple holy trees throughout the game, Marika's village might have been different religion that suggested that scadutree is not the only tree that can exist and they could create it out of incantations and rituals which might have led to their murder and Marika exacting vengeance.
@@asonofhoruslegionary Thank you, I found a horn charm in belurat that says that horn people believe themselves to be the chosen people of the divinity that comes from the scadutree.
Honestly, I’m baffled at how much one area and two item descriptions are enough to shake up the ENTIRE political and relationship structure of the base games lore. Like, this is TRAUMA. The basegame is riddled with Marika’s hate, yet we never knew to the extent of what Marika’ motivations were. Now, the ENTIRE game just hits different, given how much influence the players see Marika having on the Lands Between. Even from the beginning, meeting Margit the Fell Omen and how he deliberately omits the word “Omen” from his boss title, just adds more layers to his character, his feelings towards hornsent blood, and his relationship with his absent mother. Now we know that Marika likely never hated Morgott, but just felt betrayed by the Gods that they would birth her a child that reminded her of her people’s genocide. That makes Morgott character all the more tragic as he probably thinks Marika hates him for his blood, but Marika probably never hated him. NONE of this justifies any of her actions, but it just adds more depth to her character. Marika experiences trauma and genocide, and as revenge she returns the favour. Yet, as is the cases for most revenge stories, it never goes well. Marika, in her pursuit of revenge, suffers the “Omen” or “Curse” of her actions. Most of her lineage suffers from Marika’s curse too. It’s classic George Martin and HPLovecraft
Yeah, there is a difference between absolving the horrors she orchestrated and being understanding of why things went such a way. Marika was yet another person turned monster due to actions of people convinced by divine forces beyond reason. The Elden Ring World is truly just the playboard of cynic cosmic forces, and the people living in it will always suffer for that.
The item description says Marika planted the tree to try and heal the village. But she knew there was no one left she could help. They were all taken and changed by the hornsent.
@@Nistaa ash lake was surprising and foreboding. But nothing quite hit the same emotional beats that Shaman Village did. Shit is ACTUALLY just tragic, and it’s their best area in history. Probably because I like seeing pain being represented through familial trauma lol
@@ll-ll5gt Ash Lake, boring ? Goodness ! The timeless place, all awe-aspiring filled by world-trees... Remnants of the grey fog... One of the last dragons, who survived through war... And place of choice for the end of a heart shatterring quest. All of that enhanced by an amazing soundtrack. No way Ash Lake is boring, it was an incredible spot !
She still took her dislike for the hornsent and flipped it onto the Omens (and Albunarics, but I would say she had no place in the Golden Order for them instead of hatred for something that looked like her village's murderers so I wouldn't tie the Albunarics massacre directly to the Hornsent) even though an Omen born child had no relation to the hornsent people. She had the Omens killed and imprisoned, even two of her own children. She's a monster that added another cycle of revenge to the world by sending her son Messmer to return the favor. You don't even need to get started with how mistreated Messmer was in the situation given that he really didn't want to kill any of the locals in the first place. The lore in the village gives us a sad understanding of why her prejudice against the omens exists, more horned enemies in another land. She will always be a monster, but now an even more tragic monster than before. The Elden Ring Lore subreddit is going crazy with this topic at the moment, so you should check it out if you want more details but be wary of spoilers about other parts of the DLC.
She committed mass genocide, abandoned her first husband, and broke what she had fought for, for so very long, for selfish reasons. Marika is a monster, made by monsters.
@@TheOBros3I would say omens and Hornsent are probably the same thing, beings touched by the divine crucible and invoking it to attain power. This is why she hates the omen so much. Despite all her actions in the land of shadow and her veil over it, beings touched by the crucible persist. I think she simply cannot stand the sight of them and her evil lays in how she attaches the sins of the hornsent on all that bear the physical traits. Rather than looking to them as individuals. Marika is a tragic character, someone who took vengeance using the power of an outer god but then used that very power to conduct actions equivalent to those she originally reviled. It was when she realised this I think, she broke the Elden ring and relinquished her order. The hornsent revenger npc in game is essentially a representation of Marika.
Glad I came across this in game completely blind. Also finding that Minor Erdtree incarnation was special. That incantation is the same one Melina uses when you summon her in Morgott’s fight. If she dies during the fight she will cast this incantation one last time to heal you as much as possible before she vanishes.
Melina became one of my favourite characters after this DLC. Since it is heavily implied that she's Messmer's little sister, and since she also has a gloam-eye (possibly a curse much like Messmer's Abyssal Serpent) we can infer that she was stranded from the golden lineage, much like her brother. In Messmer's remembrance description, it is implied that she also had a vision of fire, but not like Messmer's embers that were used to torture and oppress, rather she seeks fire as a destructive force that gives way to new life. Contrary to her mother, she fully accepts death as an intrinsic part of life, and that's why she seeks to use her own soul as kindling to burn the Erdtree down: because nothing is or should be eternal. If you decide to talk to Shabriri and he starts seducing you with the frenzied flame, she tells you that no matter how great the sorrow, there is beauty in life that goes on. Miquella was Torrent's original master, but since Miquella decided to cast aside everything and everyone he cared about in his path to godhood, including his own flesh, love, fear, doubts and humanity, it is also safe to assume he discarded Torrent. Melina picks up Torrent, now a spectral steed without a master, and decides to let him choose a Tarnished to help in their journey to become Elden Lord. The fact that she uses the Minor Erdtree incantation and fights like the Numen Assassins (which are also said to be part of Marika's people) means she actively chooses to use the best parts of her mother's legacy in her journey to fix what is broken about the world. The description for the Minor Erdtree incantation says it is an expression of the kindness of gold (Marika) without order (her obsession with being The Eternal), and that's precisely what Melina seeks to honor.
This place is so serene, quiet and beautiful that’s it’s genuinely eerie. Even tho you know there are no enemies around, you just get the feeling that something terrible has happened here. In some ways I’m more put off by this place than the abyssal woods. Not to mention that peaceful yet haunting somber music. The way this tiny village with only 2 items in it completely recontexualizes Marika’s character (and by extension the entire game) is geniuelly peak story telling. God I love this game.
Something that hits like an extra punch to the heart now: _“One day, we'll return together, to our home, bathed in rays of gold….”_ - The final words of Godrick, who was shunned & driven from Leyndell, his last moments left still dreaming only of going with Marika to this place, which was protected solely by Marika's secret incantation, "only the kindness of Gold, without Order" - *something Godrick was never given by anyone.*
If we’re being realistic, the hornsent probably deserve it. Messmer and his forces inflicted the suffering of the shamans back on them tenfold. Behave as savages, and your enemy will treat you as such
Powerfully silent and a tragic beauty. My theory is that Marika was the only survivor from her village. The only mention of a grandmother, no parents, and that guardian being dead explains Marika’s brutal treatment of her own children. It makes sense that she became so extreme in her crusades, and even removed the rune of death itself, after having lost so much. It’s not justified, but it does make a lot more sense than before the DLC lore was given.
'Grandmother' is capitalized like a title as well and there's a weird statue of an old woman in a tree. I suspect the Grandmother was just some religious figure or altar of worship rather than an actual person. Marika was well and truly alone here.
Walking into this area and seeing how... peaceful it is, was beautiful. But it felt off. Something was off, it felt empty. It felt lifeless, yet full of life at the same time. Then I heard the strum. The first note we heard when playing Elden Ring. The note we heard when we fought the Elden Beast. Then I read the item description of the Minor Erdtree incantation, and then the tooth whip. Then it hit me, and it all made sense. This was where Marika grew up, where she survived a massacre, and had to witness her friends and family become the innards of a jar. We even find a braid of her hair. But seeing what she became, it made even more sense. She suffered by the hands of the hornsent or the people of bonny village, and so, made them suffer by the hands of her child, Messmer. She is irredeemable, but you cant help but feel bad for why she became this.
I made this post elsewhere but I'll put it here as well. When I found this place and heard the music, I felt calm for the first time in my entire playthrough. I looked around a bit, and though I didn't find anything at first, I remember saying "It's nice to know that despite the vile, filthy, terrible horrors of this world, a place like this can still exist within it" And then I found the tree, found what was inside, and read its description... You wanna talk about emotion. The sheer weight of where I was hit me like a cinderblock. I remember staring at the effigy within the tree, the facsimile of Marika and asking "what happened to you?" In reference to her going from a village girl to a tyrant, Before leaving. Then I learned why the innard people of the Jars have gold hair and a mark on their head, and I just remember feeling so bad for Marika in that moment. I'm going to list the item description of the Minor Erdtree incantation here: "Secret incantation of Queen Marika. Only the kindness of gold, without order. Creates a small, illusory erdtree that continuously restores the HP of nearby allies. Marika bathed the village of her home in gold, knowing full well that there was no one to heal" Marika started life in this village, or at least her life in the lands between. She lived amongst these villagers, got to know them, they were family. And the Bonny village began to take them, butcher them, and cram them into pots in some twisted ritual of sainthood. And for a long time, she was powerless against this fact. Of course the moment she was made a god she would use that power to wage war, to destroy the fire giants, to create and cause the horrible things we see in the Lands of Shadow. Her home was taken from her. She truly is Fractured Marika. Not just in name or because of the state she's in, but because a piece of her is permanently missing, and she's left as empty and quiet as the village we find. When I went there for the second time, after beating all bosses, and seeing all lands in the land of shadow, I finally found the minor erdtree incantation. I summoned on the edge of the cliff and just sat there for a while until it faded, then sat with the effigy for a while, before leaving. Because it's all so tragic. I still think that Marika is evil, and I cant excuse what she's done, but I do feel sorry for her.
pretty much exactly what i thought and felt while encountering that area...almost to an uncanny degree, i even spoke outloud and said "what happened to you" while sitting next to the golden little tree...
no exxageration. when the first strum happened.. i immediately stopped.. i listened and i genuinely cried.. then i read the item descriptions.. ah.. miyazaki's magnum opus.
@@BlacklistedSoup and elden ring at ample opportunity to learn from those flaws and instead either compounded on those flaws or gained new ones. So no it isn't the best.
You know, I don’t think I’ve seen a single person run in shaman village. They might jog up the hill, but as the approach the minor Erdtree they always walk. I think it’s fitting, there’s something about this place that humbly requests peace from those who enter
This really was emotional. It made me realize that as epic as her story is she had humble beginnings and was seemingly a kind person. I wonder what went so wrong.
As per usual, cynic gods intervening in the lives of mortals, and in turn everything going to shit. Be it Gwyn or Marika, The Lordsoul or the Greater Will, and whatever gods the Hornsent worshipped and sacrificed for. Seeing my family and friends get stuffed into Jars as Meat Paste would probably leave me traumatized as well. Guess you can say its impressive she didn't just go the frenzied flame route and burned it all away like we can if we want to.
I thought the original sin was her hiding the Realm of Shadow after basically leaving it to burn. I like your take too. I imagine people have a few other theories as well
I legit changed my build to a faith one rocking the greatsword of the golden order and Erdtree incantations after going there. Even made my characters eyes golden and wear the Tree Sentinel armor exclusively.
My first playthrough of the DLC, I found the Shaman Village at night.. Seeing the rays of gold from the mini Erdtree surrounded by the dark night. A beautiful sight it was…
This place and the two item descriptions made almost cry for what happened to Marika and her people even though she turns into an even worse monster in the story :(
@@juicy_jah8405 played all of them, elden ring is laughably the best one, especially when it comes to areas. did you have a point there or what? why do you souls veterans get abit riled up when someone loves elden ring the most? i find it laughable to think any other fromsoft game area comes even close to a single legacy dungeon, let alone the open world, underground and castle dungeons and mini dungeons all interwoven in one world. unlike the cute little room and hallway shortcut simulators of the older games lol.
@@Shadow_Grove by that logic, what does that make the pathetic bloodborne clown fanboys that fly into a rage everytime someone critiques it or doesnt call it the best souls game lol? so what if this was his favorite area in souls exactly? whats your problem with that?
Apparently this place is Marika's village and this is where we find a figure/statue/corpse named grandmother with a golden braid and a minor erdtree spell which states that no one was left to heal implying they were killed or persecuted by the hornsent omens killing marika's village for creating something other than the scadutree i.e the erdtree or a previous version of it. Its also implied that it might be that they were brutalised for their flesh which was unique and Marika became a god and punished the omens for this reason, it was her hate and trauma against them for taking away her family, must be the reason why she broke the elden ring because of the death of Godwyn.
@@MalikCustoms123 no it seems like both the scadutree and the erdtree have the same source of divinity i.e the greater will but the scadutree is older than the erdtree which was created by Marika when she became a god. The erdtree might have become the twin of scadutree after it was scorched by Marika and it's power transfered to the erdtree as revenge but also because the hornsent and the omens think this theirs is the only divine tree when in fact we have seen multiple divine trees throughout the game. Marika's people might have been stuffed into pots for suggesting that scadutree is not the only divine tree that exists.
I'll never forget the moment I first walked into this area. The music, the flowers, the soft golden light, the birds flying away, just an awe-inspiring moment. I'm glad FS took time to put something like this in the DLC. No grand boss fights, not even really any important quests or items here, but a brilliant piece of environmental storytelling. "What was her prayer? Her wish, her confession? There is no one left to answer, and Marika never returned home again."
Marika grew up, not bathed in the light of the Erdtree, but cast under the dark of the Scadutree. And long after, when her home had been taken and left empty, she gave a drop of the light she had come to claim back to her home
It was so touching to come here in game. It was a real, true respite from the an otherwise harsh world that for hundreds of hours, I had treked and cut my way through. And then: peace. So rare, so precious. It’s even more touching for me given what has recently happened to me in the real world. I have finally visited the village I trace my family’s lineage from. I have never, in all the decades I’ve lived on earth, ever visited that home, and just like here, it was so *quiet* I now have this strange kinship with Marika.
this area is the most similar to the lands between in the entire dlc. covering her village in gold, just like she did with the lands between, is what gave it this look. however, she left the statue's tree untouched. was this done out of spite?
What's weird was that when i approached the place, I expected something hiding that wanted to kill me. But there was no one and that shocked me. It was so peaceful that it was weird.
The moment I got to this area, I was wondering, “why did the music change?” And then I read the description and the incantation and it was interesting.
It's horrible how the Shadow Realm never progressed or rebuilt during Marika's conquests in The Lands Between, which is known to have several ages. Messemer ruined the world that badly.
Spoilers If you read the minor erdtree description it says Secret incantation of queen marika Which we only see melina use against morgott and never anywhere else So i guess it's safe to presume That marika and melina are the same person
@@fallasleep3513 melina maybe mesmer's sister.... true .... but with the erdtree spell being secret... i dont think marika would have shared it with her.. I am saying marika took her form... maybe to guide us to our goals
@@reverbedash9282I believe Melina is the Gloam Eyed Queen, not Marika, mainly because we kill Marika/Radagon, yet still see Melina threaten us when we take the Frenzied Flame. Messmer’s remembrance is more concrete though - I would say that’s definitive proof enough for me on top of the base game lore for her. You’re welcome to your own opinions of course!
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"They were no saints. They just happened to be on the losing side of a war."
May be the single most important line in the DLC
Yes but who said that and what were the implications? I don't remember
@@ollieheiz4703Lida says it to the player when she's explaining the Hornsent's motivations for wanting to face Messmer. It's also why she suspects him first of wanting to turn on Miquella.
@@ChandlerSpivey Ahhhhhh thanks
I was just thinking about that! I figured it was Leda hand-waving the tragedy of Messmer’s war, saying it wasn’t important to them now, but it really hits different after seeing what they did to Marika
@@Cogexkintrue yeah, i had to sit there with the ramifications that all the pain and suffering in the history of the lands between is simply a broken cycle of revenge and inquisition, really puts ymirs words into perspective when he says "the part that troubles me, is that no matter our efforts, if the roots are rotten, we have little recourse" saying that it doesnt matter who becomes lord or god or whatever, all that will happen is the eventual decay. shit is fucking heartwrenching. all these people suffering for the hatred of victims
Looking at this and listening to the ambience, I feel melancholia and sadness. This place is Marika’s old home. It’s not a castle, not something grandiose or opulent. It’s just a village. And then I connect it with the newly discovered lore about Marika and I can’t help but feel sadness and, can’t believe I’m saying this, sympathy for her. Her people had been brutalized by the Hornsent, so she became a god, conceived Messmer and sent him to do the same to them. The victim became the abuser. The cycle continues.
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may I know where the lore marika's people get killed?
@@franciscoramadhan9156 So, in the Bonny Village, the place where living jars were made, there’s a ghost saying that the place where "shamans" belong is in the jar. Marika’s people, the Numen, or the "Shamans" as they were known in the Land of Shadow, had the ability to harmoniously meld their flesh with others. Hornsent, then-dominant people of the Land of Shadow, had this tradition of putting people they considered sinners (those born without horns) into jars so they would be reborn as saints. They chose Marika’s family and friends for the next jar batch, as their grafting talent and lack of horns made them the perfect target. Unfortunately for them, they forgot about one Marika. And in her rage and need for revenge, she became a god and soon enacted a purge of the Lands through Messmer.
@@vaclavsoukup7302Reading this and I feel like a prepare to cry video of Vaati. Lore of the DLC is no glorious or triumphant, it evokes sadness for all the characters involved.
@@vaclavsoukup7302 thanks a lot
This is Elden Ring's Gwyn plink plink plonk moment. Goosebumps.
It really is
From the Minor Erdtree incantation: “Marika bathed the village of her home in gold, knowing full well that there was no one left to heal.” The tragedy of genocide
That also reflects the tragedy of every genocide in our world too. Just look at what nazis did to jews and other such many genocides happen in Africa congolese by the Belgium 🇧🇪.....during world War events
It also shows Marika’s selfishness. No blessings are given to Messmer and his people while they beg for them, yet the empty village is bathed in gold.
The cycle never ends
This is your Elden Ring checkpoint, spend as much time as you need here.
You've suffered enough pain, rest for a while
this is possibly the most depressing and loneliest locale in the entire game, contrasted with its beautiful visuals. This is the LAST place I’d want to rest
I had to go there TWICE between 2 days of tries against the Final DLC Boss… Shit was way too much (Loved it tho)
Marika stricken with grief. Became exactly what she hated. God this makes me love marika as a character damn. I used to hate ber but now i just feel pity and sorrow. Her entire people killed and turned into jars while she was the sole survivor. Becoming a god to enact retribution on those who hurt her and her people. Becoming what she hated
Marika was ultimately just a human who thought to play God
She was just a girl once, and they took that away from her.
No one is born a monster
@@Dressyone223 some people really are.
SPOILERS if you want to know about Marika’s cruel fate:
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We can learn a few things from piecing together the descriptions of the golden braid, minor erdtree and the spirit's dialogue in Bonny Village, namely that the shaman village was Marika's home. It was there where her people were slaughtered by the hornsent to become jar "saints" and she would begin her path of vengeance and ascent to godhood. As Leda remarks of the hornset "They were never saints. They just happened to be on the losing side of a war".
After putting the hornsent to the sword with the power of the base serpent within Messmer and an army of tarnished, Marika would reach the top of Enir-llim and the gate of divinty. It was here she sought to create a perfect world where nobody would truly die again and would erase any signs of the existence of the crucible and its people who wronged her. Marika would return to her village and sprout a minor erdtree to show them just how far she had come, but nobody remained...
During her reign as god and vessel of the Elden Ring, Marika would birth many demigod children, however in a cruel twist of fate, her and Godfrey would birth the omen twins. Her own flesh and blood bore the traits of the very people who committed atrocities against her family and loved ones. After everything Marika did, even after ascending to godhood she still could not deny the reality of the crucible of life and so they were exiled to the depths below the royal capital.
As undeniable as the crucible of life, is the fact that it must end. Marika likely plucked the rune of death from the Elden Ring so nobody she loved may die again but tragedy would strike again for Marika. Her golden child, perfection incarnate, Godwyn would suffer the first death of a demigod and so Marika would learn she could not escape the nature of the world, not even in godhood.
Perhaps this led to the shattering of the Elden Ring, an act of vengeance on false promises or perhaps she realized Metyr's fingers were in fact broken from the
start, either way it adds a lot to the character of Marika and the overall story of the game.
I wonder of she was empyrean before or after the massacre of her village. It also begs the question as to whether the elden beast (and thus elden ring) was called to TLB by Marika or by a previous god of the land. Was the scene in the beginning of the trailer her summoning the elden beast from the stars above, or was it her awakening it from its elden ring form to take its place within her?
And if it was Marika who did summoned it from the beyond, was it the fingers and Metyr who convinced her? So many questions.
Since Placidusax's remembrance basically confirms the existence of other gods previous to Marika, I wonder if the previous god the land was a hornsent god. Would explain the similar level of atrocity committed and why they inhabit Belurat (to guard the gates of divinity and prevent other gods from ascending)
i feel bad for her,she gave birth to 5 children,2 omens ,two accursed children and gowdyn,the "healthy" and the one that resembles her the most,just for her golden child to be killed eternally
@@ll-ll5gtactually 7 if you count Mesmer and Melina, and they has power to burn down everything like frenzied flame
@@jalpat2272 true,and melina's entire goal in life was just to get sacrificed,must be rough for marika
Now everything is clear
I just found this place myself and honesty I think it’s one of the best areas of the game simply due to the ambiance. It feels more alive, sacred even compared to other areas. No enemies to disturb the tranquil peace, like the game grows its hallowed ground.
Lore wise i have a theory as to what happened from what I was able to piece together
Spoilers ahead.
the Shamans seemed to have a connection to divinity and as a result were captured or persecuted (probably by the Hornsent) their flesh carved up and put into jars and becoming those flesh monsters in the jails. Supposedly this was done to make them divine or something along those lines. I’m assuming it was something similar to what Miquilla did with Mogh’s body, using his flesh as a vessel for his consort. Honestly I don’t blame Marika for being pissed at the Hornsent. Hopefully I’ll figure out more as I continue playing.
In many religious imagery across our world sinners are depicted being stuffed into jars or pots to punish and cleanse them of their sins. Sinners being subjective to whatever religion decides it's sin, it's also likely as per another item description that the idea to turn them into saints was to cleanse them of their sins or punish them. Marikas people and village might have been punished and stuffed into pots as punishment to cleanse them of their sins and turn them into "saints". The reason for their murder by the hornsent might have been their religion which apparently buries it's people in trees and can create holy trees out of the earth as shown by minor erdtree incantation. The hornsent seem to believe that their scadutree is the only holy tree when in fact we have seen multiple holy trees throughout the game, Marika's village might have been different religion that suggested that scadutree is not the only tree that can exist and they could create it out of incantations and rituals which might have led to their murder and Marika exacting vengeance.
I walked up and a pair of doves flew out as the intro music played, it was beautiful art. Mona Lisa < Shaman village.
@@sangumlinggi8330you raise a few good points there, it’s an interesting theory.
@@asonofhoruslegionary Thank you, I found a horn charm in belurat that says that horn people believe themselves to be the chosen people of the divinity that comes from the scadutree.
@@biasedopinion7864Did you ever laid eyes upon her? Dont judge until you saw her. Shaman Village=Mona Lisa.
Honestly, I’m baffled at how much one area and two item descriptions are enough to shake up the ENTIRE political and relationship structure of the base games lore. Like, this is TRAUMA. The basegame is riddled with Marika’s hate, yet we never knew to the extent of what Marika’ motivations were.
Now, the ENTIRE game just hits different, given how much influence the players see Marika having on the Lands Between. Even from the beginning, meeting Margit the Fell Omen and how he deliberately omits the word “Omen” from his boss title, just adds more layers to his character, his feelings towards hornsent blood, and his relationship with his absent mother. Now we know that Marika likely never hated Morgott, but just felt betrayed by the Gods that they would birth her a child that reminded her of her people’s genocide. That makes Morgott character all the more tragic as he probably thinks Marika hates him for his blood, but Marika probably never hated him.
NONE of this justifies any of her actions, but it just adds more depth to her character. Marika experiences trauma and genocide, and as revenge she returns the favour. Yet, as is the cases for most revenge stories, it never goes well. Marika, in her pursuit of revenge, suffers the “Omen” or “Curse” of her actions. Most of her lineage suffers from Marika’s curse too. It’s classic George Martin and HPLovecraft
Yeah, there is a difference between absolving the horrors she orchestrated and being understanding of why things went such a way. Marika was yet another person turned monster due to actions of people convinced by divine forces beyond reason. The Elden Ring World is truly just the playboard of cynic cosmic forces, and the people living in it will always suffer for that.
She really was just a girl. It doesn’t excuse her crimes but it gives an understanding of her mindset and why she became the way she was.
Marika has become such a deeper and more complex character thanks to the dlc
I wonder if the minor erdtree was Marika's way of saying goodbye
The item description says Marika planted the tree to try and heal the village. But she knew there was no one left she could help. They were all taken and changed by the hornsent.
@@crabberdabberye I think they mean it was Marika saying goodbye, in the way you say goodbye through a funeral.
And the flowers around the Minor Erdtree was basically her bathing them in gold even though they're all gone
Shaman Village, Ash Lake, and Majula ❤
Literally❤️❤️
best area in fromsoft history, shi was so beautiful and the lore only made it deeper, almost shed a tear when i found this place😭🙏🏾
Ye then just underneath it lay some unspeakable horror in the finger ruins ov Dheo. Quite the contrast.
You forgot the ash Lake from ds1 !
@@Nistaa ash lake was surprising and foreboding. But nothing quite hit the same emotional beats that Shaman Village did. Shit is ACTUALLY just tragic, and it’s their best area in history. Probably because I like seeing pain being represented through familial trauma lol
@@Nistaa it's pretty boring ngl,maybe because of the old graphics i believe
@@ll-ll5gt Ash Lake, boring ?
Goodness !
The timeless place, all awe-aspiring filled by world-trees... Remnants of the grey fog... One of the last dragons, who survived through war...
And place of choice for the end of a heart shatterring quest.
All of that enhanced by an amazing soundtrack.
No way Ash Lake is boring, it was an incredible spot !
When you realize that Marika wasn't no monster nor an ill-omened creature, but she was a survivor and suffered witnessing her home massacred.
she committed a holocaust against the fire giants
No she's still a monster but this revelation gives depth to her character
She still took her dislike for the hornsent and flipped it onto the Omens (and Albunarics, but I would say she had no place in the Golden Order for them instead of hatred for something that looked like her village's murderers so I wouldn't tie the Albunarics massacre directly to the Hornsent) even though an Omen born child had no relation to the hornsent people. She had the Omens killed and imprisoned, even two of her own children. She's a monster that added another cycle of revenge to the world by sending her son Messmer to return the favor. You don't even need to get started with how mistreated Messmer was in the situation given that he really didn't want to kill any of the locals in the first place. The lore in the village gives us a sad understanding of why her prejudice against the omens exists, more horned enemies in another land. She will always be a monster, but now an even more tragic monster than before. The Elden Ring Lore subreddit is going crazy with this topic at the moment, so you should check it out if you want more details but be wary of spoilers about other parts of the DLC.
She committed mass genocide, abandoned her first husband, and broke what she had fought for, for so very long, for selfish reasons. Marika is a monster, made by monsters.
@@TheOBros3I would say omens and Hornsent are probably the same thing, beings touched by the divine crucible and invoking it to attain power. This is why she hates the omen so much. Despite all her actions in the land of shadow and her veil over it, beings touched by the crucible persist. I think she simply cannot stand the sight of them and her evil lays in how she attaches the sins of the hornsent on all that bear the physical traits. Rather than looking to them as individuals.
Marika is a tragic character, someone who took vengeance using the power of an outer god but then used that very power to conduct actions equivalent to those she originally reviled. It was when she realised this I think, she broke the Elden ring and relinquished her order. The hornsent revenger npc in game is essentially a representation of Marika.
Glad I came across this in game completely blind. Also finding that Minor Erdtree incarnation was special.
That incantation is the same one Melina uses when you summon her in Morgott’s fight.
If she dies during the fight she will cast this incantation one last time to heal you as much as possible before she vanishes.
Melina became one of my favourite characters after this DLC. Since it is heavily implied that she's Messmer's little sister, and since she also has a gloam-eye (possibly a curse much like Messmer's Abyssal Serpent) we can infer that she was stranded from the golden lineage, much like her brother.
In Messmer's remembrance description, it is implied that she also had a vision of fire, but not like Messmer's embers that were used to torture and oppress, rather she seeks fire as a destructive force that gives way to new life. Contrary to her mother, she fully accepts death as an intrinsic part of life, and that's why she seeks to use her own soul as kindling to burn the Erdtree down: because nothing is or should be eternal. If you decide to talk to Shabriri and he starts seducing you with the frenzied flame, she tells you that no matter how great the sorrow, there is beauty in life that goes on.
Miquella was Torrent's original master, but since Miquella decided to cast aside everything and everyone he cared about in his path to godhood, including his own flesh, love, fear, doubts and humanity, it is also safe to assume he discarded Torrent. Melina picks up Torrent, now a spectral steed without a master, and decides to let him choose a Tarnished to help in their journey to become Elden Lord. The fact that she uses the Minor Erdtree incantation and fights like the Numen Assassins (which are also said to be part of Marika's people) means she actively chooses to use the best parts of her mother's legacy in her journey to fix what is broken about the world. The description for the Minor Erdtree incantation says it is an expression of the kindness of gold (Marika) without order (her obsession with being The Eternal), and that's precisely what Melina seeks to honor.
This place is so serene, quiet and beautiful that’s it’s genuinely eerie. Even tho you know there are no enemies around, you just get the feeling that something terrible has happened here. In some ways I’m more put off by this place than the abyssal woods. Not to mention that peaceful yet haunting somber music. The way this tiny village with only 2 items in it completely recontexualizes Marika’s character (and by extension the entire game) is geniuelly peak story telling. God I love this game.
Something that hits like an extra punch to the heart now:
_“One day, we'll return together, to our home, bathed in rays of gold….”_
- The final words of Godrick, who was shunned & driven from Leyndell, his last moments left still dreaming only of going with Marika to this place, which was protected solely by Marika's secret incantation, "only the kindness of Gold, without Order" - *something Godrick was never given by anyone.*
I just found the tooth whip and reading the lore and the dialogue of the ghost nearby. The hornsent pretty much brought the massacre on themselves.
Fuck the Hornsent, all my homies hate the Hornsent.
If we’re being realistic, the hornsent probably deserve it. Messmer and his forces inflicted the suffering of the shamans back on them tenfold. Behave as savages, and your enemy will treat you as such
Powerfully silent and a tragic beauty. My theory is that Marika was the only survivor from her village. The only mention of a grandmother, no parents, and that guardian being dead explains Marika’s brutal treatment of her own children. It makes sense that she became so extreme in her crusades, and even removed the rune of death itself, after having lost so much. It’s not justified, but it does make a lot more sense than before the DLC lore was given.
'Grandmother' is capitalized like a title as well and there's a weird statue of an old woman in a tree. I suspect the Grandmother was just some religious figure or altar of worship rather than an actual person.
Marika was well and truly alone here.
@@GARGANTUANMASKEDFISH
That statue is Marika, the only Statue of her that was left in tact.
Walking into this area and seeing how... peaceful it is, was beautiful.
But it felt off.
Something was off, it felt empty.
It felt lifeless, yet full of life at the same time.
Then I heard the strum.
The first note we heard when playing Elden Ring.
The note we heard when we fought the Elden Beast.
Then I read the item description of the Minor Erdtree incantation, and then the tooth whip.
Then it hit me, and it all made sense. This was where Marika grew up, where she survived a massacre, and had to witness her friends and family become the innards of a jar.
We even find a braid of her hair.
But seeing what she became, it made even more sense.
She suffered by the hands of the hornsent or the people of bonny village, and so, made them suffer by the hands of her child, Messmer.
She is irredeemable, but you cant help but feel bad for why she became this.
I made this post elsewhere but I'll put it here as well.
When I found this place and heard the music, I felt calm for the first time in my entire playthrough. I looked around a bit, and though I didn't find anything at first, I remember saying "It's nice to know that despite the vile, filthy, terrible horrors of this world, a place like this can still exist within it"
And then I found the tree, found what was inside, and read its description...
You wanna talk about emotion. The sheer weight of where I was hit me like a cinderblock.
I remember staring at the effigy within the tree, the facsimile of Marika and asking "what happened to you?" In reference to her going from a village girl to a tyrant, Before leaving.
Then I learned why the innard people of the Jars have gold hair and a mark on their head, and I just remember feeling so bad for Marika in that moment.
I'm going to list the item description of the Minor Erdtree incantation here:
"Secret incantation of Queen Marika. Only the kindness of gold, without order. Creates a small, illusory erdtree that continuously restores the HP of nearby allies.
Marika bathed the village of her home in gold, knowing full well that there was no one to heal"
Marika started life in this village, or at least her life in the lands between. She lived amongst these villagers, got to know them, they were family.
And the Bonny village began to take them, butcher them, and cram them into pots in some twisted ritual of sainthood.
And for a long time, she was powerless against this fact.
Of course the moment she was made a god she would use that power to wage war, to destroy the fire giants, to create and cause the horrible things we see in the Lands of Shadow.
Her home was taken from her. She truly is Fractured Marika. Not just in name or because of the state she's in, but because a piece of her is permanently missing, and she's left as empty and quiet as the village we find.
When I went there for the second time, after beating all bosses, and seeing all lands in the land of shadow, I finally found the minor erdtree incantation. I summoned on the edge of the cliff and just sat there for a while until it faded, then sat with the effigy for a while, before leaving.
Because it's all so tragic.
I still think that Marika is evil, and I cant excuse what she's done, but I do feel sorry for her.
pretty much exactly what i thought and felt while encountering that area...almost to an uncanny degree, i even spoke outloud and said "what happened to you" while sitting next to the golden little tree...
no exxageration. when the first strum happened.. i immediately stopped.. i listened and i genuinely cried.. then i read the item descriptions.. ah.. miyazaki's magnum opus.
elden ring is miyazakis best game by a laughably gigantic margin, and in a recent interview, it seems like he agrees.
@@flamingmanurehas far too many flaws for it to be the best.
@@dvdivine1962 every one of his games are flawed, ER just happens to be the best
@@BlacklistedSoup and elden ring at ample opportunity to learn from those flaws and instead either compounded on those flaws or gained new ones. So no it isn't the best.
@@dvdivine1962 what are those flaws
You know, I don’t think I’ve seen a single person run in shaman village. They might jog up the hill, but as the approach the minor Erdtree they always walk. I think it’s fitting, there’s something about this place that humbly requests peace from those who enter
This really was emotional. It made me realize that as epic as her story is she had humble beginnings and was seemingly a kind person. I wonder what went so wrong.
As per usual, cynic gods intervening in the lives of mortals, and in turn everything going to shit.
Be it Gwyn or Marika, The Lordsoul or the Greater Will, and whatever gods the Hornsent worshipped and sacrificed for.
Seeing my family and friends get stuffed into Jars as Meat Paste would probably leave me traumatized as well.
Guess you can say its impressive she didn't just go the frenzied flame route and burned it all away like we can if we want to.
What went wrong was the Hornsent persecuting her people by stuffing them into jars
I think this is the "original sin". Marika left knowing full well that there is no one left to heal.
I thought the original sin was her hiding the Realm of Shadow after basically leaving it to burn. I like your take too. I imagine people have a few other theories as well
@@juicy_jah8405 its in the lore cuh
Nah this moments is peak. The lore behind it, the ost kicking in! This shi hit the soul fr 💯
I legit changed my build to a faith one rocking the greatsword of the golden order and Erdtree incantations after going there. Even made my characters eyes golden and wear the Tree Sentinel armor exclusively.
My first playthrough of the DLC, I found the Shaman Village at night.. Seeing the rays of gold from the mini Erdtree surrounded by the dark night. A beautiful sight it was…
I have no enemies, you have no enemies
This was the peak moment of the dlc for me, really.
The music gave me Majula vibes
This place and the two item descriptions made almost cry for what happened to Marika and her people even though she turns into an even worse monster in the story :(
Best area is souls
Elden ring must be the only soulsborne game youve ever played then
Here before anyone else but this guy is baiting pretty hard just don't fall for it.
@@nayd5043he is trying way too hard to rage bait
@@juicy_jah8405 played all of them, elden ring is laughably the best one, especially when it comes to areas.
did you have a point there or what? why do you souls veterans get abit riled up when someone loves elden ring the most? i find it laughable to think any other fromsoft game area comes even close to a single legacy dungeon, let alone the open world, underground and castle dungeons and mini dungeons all interwoven in one world.
unlike the cute little room and hallway shortcut simulators of the older games lol.
@@Shadow_Grove by that logic, what does that make the pathetic bloodborne clown fanboys that fly into a rage everytime someone critiques it or doesnt call it the best souls game lol? so what if this was his favorite area in souls exactly? whats your problem with that?
Apparently this place is Marika's village and this is where we find a figure/statue/corpse named grandmother with a golden braid and a minor erdtree spell which states that no one was left to heal implying they were killed or persecuted by the hornsent omens killing marika's village for creating something other than the scadutree i.e the erdtree or a previous version of it. Its also implied that it might be that they were brutalised for their flesh which was unique and Marika became a god and punished the omens for this reason, it was her hate and trauma against them for taking away her family, must be the reason why she broke the elden ring because of the death of Godwyn.
Scadutree was born when the Erdtree was as its mirror twin?
@@MalikCustoms123 no it seems like both the scadutree and the erdtree have the same source of divinity i.e the greater will but the scadutree is older than the erdtree which was created by Marika when she became a god. The erdtree might have become the twin of scadutree after it was scorched by Marika and it's power transfered to the erdtree as revenge but also because the hornsent and the omens think this theirs is the only divine tree when in fact we have seen multiple divine trees throughout the game. Marika's people might have been stuffed into pots for suggesting that scadutree is not the only divine tree that exists.
Where is this statue/figure/corpse??
@@jacobgtevans4639 most probably a family member to Marika. It's in the shaman village inside a tree.
Highly unlikely to have Godwin's death as a trigger, she may have something to do with it
Got to this area today! I was in awe of it all!! Amazing dlc.
I found this place at night, different experience tbh. Probably a top 10 moment for me playing this game.
I feel like messmer's sister mentioned in discription is Melina right?
I'll never forget the moment I first walked into this area. The music, the flowers, the soft golden light, the birds flying away, just an awe-inspiring moment. I'm glad FS took time to put something like this in the DLC. No grand boss fights, not even really any important quests or items here, but a brilliant piece of environmental storytelling.
"What was her prayer? Her wish, her confession? There is no one left to answer, and Marika never returned home again."
This, cutscenes, and radagon/elden beast battle is the only time i paused my own music.
Marika grew up, not bathed in the light of the Erdtree, but cast under the dark of the Scadutree. And long after, when her home had been taken and left empty, she gave a drop of the light she had come to claim back to her home
Tbh that kinda was my reaction.
After I got the incant and read it.. i stopped running.
Just walked slowly through thr village
It was so touching to come here in game. It was a real, true respite from the an otherwise harsh world that for hundreds of hours, I had treked and cut my way through. And then: peace. So rare, so precious.
It’s even more touching for me given what has recently happened to me in the real world. I have finally visited the village I trace my family’s lineage from. I have never, in all the decades I’ve lived on earth, ever visited that home, and just like here, it was so *quiet*
I now have this strange kinship with Marika.
The music give me a Majula / Fire Link Shrine vibe.
I can empathise with and even understand alot of the choices Marika makes because of SOET.
this area is the most similar to the lands between in the entire dlc. covering her village in gold, just like she did with the lands between, is what gave it this look. however, she left the statue's tree untouched. was this done out of spite?
Probably more out of respect since it appears 'The Grandmother' was some reverential figure in the village.
I just rewatched Melina’s sacrificing scene and I have so many thoughts in my head right now
One thing for sure is that Melina must be the closest to Marika amongst all her children.
What's weird was that when i approached the place, I expected something hiding that wanted to kill me. But there was no one and that shocked me. It was so peaceful that it was weird.
"I can fathom nothing more terrifying, than a god blinded by their humanity."
When I came to this area I literally said in my head in Danny Devito's voice : Oh my god... I get it
This is where I went at the end, there was nothing more to do, nowhere to go, it was time to rest
i dont know whats better this or st trina cave
Nearly brought a tear to my eye tbh. My favorite area in Elden Ring
I legit cried when i heard that music
"Oh it's beautiful"
The most beautiful area From Soft's ever made!
The music is similar to the firelink shrine in ds1 maybe this explain why fire keepers are all woman shaman like Marika
Shaman village is my new Hub for trading🥲
You can also find Marika's grandmother under a tree with a talisman
The moment I got to this area, I was wondering, “why did the music change?” And then I read the description and the incantation and it was interesting.
She took the Rune of Death out of the Elden Ring, so noone else has to die.
Serenity.
Who let Sauron into the Shire?
The whip... thats what it ment... they turned her village into jars...
The only area where I dont mind it being empty.
Total Hornsent Death
My resting place after completing the DLC.
i fucking love this game
Dang, i didnt think I'd feel sorry for Marika 😅😢
this makes me think of majula
I literally cried and i don't know why, i never got emotional on souls games before.
I was floored when i got here. I dont see how there could be a higher peak
if you say you didn't just sit there and do nothing for some time while listening to the simplified elden beast ost, you are lying.
Made me pause when I got there.
yeah empty space number 406 with 3 trinkets in it. i'll never understand people man
So devastating.
It's horrible how the Shadow Realm never progressed or rebuilt during Marika's conquests in The Lands Between, which is known to have several ages. Messemer ruined the world that badly.
I think we lost a lot of meaning in the translation of the village's name
Exactly what i did aswell. Why, I don't have a clue.
Good people are capable of great evil. It is not a matter of vengeance, it is a matter of tragedy.
this place is so sad
How was everything they did with Marika so much better than what they did with Miquella in this DLC?
What do you mean? Miquella was done great here. His intentions were pure but he intends to basically just repeat what Marika did
yeah am waiting for vaatividya's lore video now
Spoilers
If you read the minor erdtree description it says
Secret incantation of queen marika
Which we only see melina use against morgott and never anywhere else
So i guess it's safe to presume
That marika and melina are the same person
… Messmera remembrance literally tells us Melina is her DAUGHTER aka his younger sister. But good try though
@@fallasleep3513 melina maybe mesmer's sister.... true .... but with the erdtree spell being secret... i dont think marika would have shared it with her..
I am saying marika took her form... maybe to guide us to our goals
@@reverbedash9282 thats a more believable formulation of your theory. the connection is there regardless whichever way it really is.
Dumbass theory
@@reverbedash9282I believe Melina is the Gloam Eyed Queen, not Marika, mainly because we kill Marika/Radagon, yet still see Melina threaten us when we take the Frenzied Flame. Messmer’s remembrance is more concrete though - I would say that’s definitive proof enough for me on top of the base game lore for her. You’re welcome to your own opinions of course!
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