Gotta use sanctuary if you really wanna save her. Thanks to the patch 4, the allies now try to avoid dangerous AOE areas so make a good use with the AOE spells.
Like someone else in the comments here pointed out, if you really want someone you don't directly control to survive, Sanctuary is a great way to do it. But timing it correctly can be tricky, so watch out for that. Still, this is your best option to make her survive the fight, if she happens to be overly aggressive. Throwing things like Shield of Faith on her also helps. In my personal experience, I've found that the best way to keep Jaheira alive is not by healing or protecting her, but by offering a strong opening offense move, thinning the ranks of the enemy before she can act more than once. The more enemies you take off the field, the less they'll have to spank her with. Focus on taking out the weaker guys first, just to thin their numbers and if the stronger dudes start beating her up, then you can switch to healing and protecting after. Always worked for me. Come out swinging and keep a close eye on her health at all times. Pray that she shifts into an animal form sooner rather than later, since the damage she suffers while wildshaped doesn't carry over to her normal form (except for the superfluous damage that broke her shapeshift).
This is so sad. To think that Jaheira and Minsc watch over you when you sleep the night you found out who you are, gave you all those pep talks, put in so much trust and support to encourage you to be better than what the dark urge made you. Just to be betrayed and ended like that. It is so sad. Even if I am playing Evil durge, I don't think I can bring myself to do this to them ; _ ; This is worse than letting Jaheira in Last Night or Moonrise.
First time I tried to do an evil playthrough I gave up after act 1 and the recruitment of minthara. It’s genuinely difficult to put yourself through it 😂 I suppose that’s just good writing through, when the evil playthroughs are just that. Evil.
@@TheStanDudley I killed minthara after killing the druids AND then i killed all the goblins, Surprisingly, your party does NOT treat you as evil, if you kill the goblins after killing the full druid camp o.o So strange.
@@TheStanDudley I played evil durge on my 3rd playthrough, legit had to quit the game because I so devastated after betraying Zevlor, I remember almost every Tiefling that I was striking down. Had to take a break and go back to my good playthrough for a few days :(
@@omgwtfbbq11111 I did a good playthrough and I felt bad just seeing those who died in the Shadowlands because I had talked to them at the party the night before (I put off the party until everything else in act 1 was done). Like damnit why was there no option to accompany them and help protect them 😕
Durge played the loooooong game, held off on killing Isobel, won Jaheira’s favour and rescued Minsc. Just so it would hurt them so much more in the end 😂
You can still recruit Jaheira after you kill Isobel. She stands with you as all of the last light residents turn undead, then questions you to which you can reply "wasn't me mate, no idea what happened."
@@monged4life442she ended up joining my party in my evil run after I admitted it was me who killed isobel. I intimidated her to leave, after I killed Ketheric, she joined me as if it was a good playthrough. I even mockingly did the “what about the Harper’s” dialogue, knowing damn well they’re dead
I killed isobel and spun jaheira a web of lies going all the way to the entrance of the temple of bhaal. Even recruiting and saving minsc to prove that I'm a 'good guy'
Dark Urge : "You really think you can kill me ?" *Jaheira & Minsc regain their true power from the bg2 era, when they were level 30 demigods* Dark Urge : "Oh f*ck..."
@@danielholmes7142 The level cap is 8.000.000 xp in BG2 Throne of Bhaal. The max level is 40 for most classes. It's lower if you multiclass of course.
Wasn't BG1 and 2 using 2e or 3e D&D? All i can picture now is; Jaheria: "We will stop this madness, here and now!" Minsc: "Hold a moment Jaheria. Boo says we are due for a... soft-ware, up date?" Jaheria: ". . . why am i now a Ranger? What mad-wizard wrote this?"
The first time i played as dark urge i completely forgot about Minsc (to meet him) and just went straight to Orin for the epic duel. After i became the Slayer she was waiting for me, but there was no Minsc and she STILL TALKED TO HIM lmao😂 like she was talking to herself, it was really funny. I thought she got dementia because of her age😂
@@joelkorhonen3170 I mean she's only ancient because she's a half elf. If she were a full elf she would be young, sprightly, and just easing into adulthood. Minsc was a statue by the way. That's why he's alive 100 years after BG2. Probably the same for Boo as well (he was part of the statue) but I'm not so sure. I don't know the average life expectancy of a miniature giant space hamster...
@@cmwinchell yeah they hinted at that story (the “stolen ranger statue”) right from act 1, I thought that was a cool detail to add in. There was a letter or poster about it and how there was a reward for finding the beloved ranger statue. I assume he was in a preserved state like those frozen statues in the Underdark and was released with a basilisk potion 🤔
@@elenalizabeth Minsc was released from petrification in one of the D&D comic series "Legends of Baldur's Gate" by a wild magic surge of a sorceress. Since he was no longer a statue, the people of Baldur's Gate believed the statue of "The Beloved Ranger" had been stolen. Acc. to Forgotten Realms Wiki, this happened somewhere in the 1480s DR, which means it's been 12 years since Minsc up and walked away by the time BG3 is set. Either the rewards poster is old af or a relic that survived the ages far from Baldur's Gate.
I've just finished an evil run, and like... there's a lot of bad shit here. I've now raided the Grove (dreadful), ascended Astarion for the first time (awful, I hate him in this form and he was my first romance), DJ'd Shadowheart... you name it's been harsh, but also like really interesting? I never ever play games evil but I love this game so much that I wanted to try it. ... But amongst all the nasty shit, THIS. This broke me. I had to walk away and do something else for an hour man, and I didn't even get Minsc to kill Jaheira. The fact that what is a last stand for you against the villain with your powerful friends is now them taking a last stand against YOU... chills. Actual chills. Masterpiece of a mood-setter, walking out in your bloody Chosen triumph to this horror show. Proud of you for that one Larian, you bastards. 😂
This could’ve been an amazing confrontation if Minsc and Jaheira We’re actually strong as they are meant to be by the end of BG2. Level 20 characters with epic abilities would’ve made playing an evil durge a challenge
Keep in mind that over a 100 years have passed since then Jaheria comments that’s she is not as strong as she once was, and that she has been hoping a new generations of heroes would come and take over for her. And in Minsc case I’m not really sure if being frozen in time while encased in stone impaired his abilities at all but it wouldn’t be strange if it did
@@audioapegaming3334 As for Minsc, he got tadpoled just like the rest of the party who's banter all indicates that the initial tadpoling severely limited their abilities for a time while they readjusted.
The funny part for me was that I never used Jaheira, so when this happened for me she was still level 1. The fact that game doesn't make either of them an NPC again and level her up to be a threat in case you don't take the time to level up companions you never use is hilarious.
Actually, end of tob is 8M exp, level 40. minsc is arguably the worst companion bar Wilson, you might get past him, even tho I seriously doubt it. Jaheira on the other end… let’s put it simple, I don’t think you could hit her realistically, and she can cast Druid hlas, lvl7 Druid spells (dolorous decay) and have access to +4/5 weapons. Good thing it wasn’t Edwin or Neera or any arcane spellcaster, they would evaporate anything in bg3 with a horrid wilting/incendiary cloud
Oof. Gale's "I can fix her" towards the Dark Urge is like Tav's "I can fix him" towards Ascended Astarian. Both are facing an eternity with their abusers.
I can imagine a different way this plays out as a conniving, mastermind Durge. A Durge that loses all faith that they can resist Bhaal... So they plant Jaheira and Minsc nearby, to ensure that they will be destroyed by the pair of heroes before enacting Bhaal's will.
Oh, this is good. :D It's on par with the character concept that the DUrge is also Evil, but secretly resents Bhaal's "hand on the wheel" as the Urge, so to speak. You have no true control over who and what you kill; you're just a vessel for Bhaal's whims. So after you reject Bhaal's blessing and Withers resurrects you, you bask in the congratulations of your companions for having "beaten Bhaal", but inside you exult in the satisfaction that none of them realize that you were complicit in the killings all along.
I was fine with killing the grove, last light, the night song but god this part hurt as she’s been my favourite character since bg1 and I had had her in my party 90% of act 3
'jokes on you jaheira i never levelled you up, enjoy your 10hp and default gear' or alternatively 'bhaal just gave me power word kill, but by all means try and stop me'
Kinda wished there was an option where they would immediately off you after confronting the final boss. Kinda like the ending where you turn into a mind flayer and choose to end your journey earlier than the others.
Wouldn't make any sense. I mean, there's the option that DU would do it themselves if they defy their father at the last moment after the battle, but it would be foolish of Jaheira and Minsc to trust someone who, as far as they knew, was hell-bent on being the psychopathic killer that does Bhaal's bidding
@@magic_cfw Bad example. Ability checks do not allow to do everything, DMs usually do not even allow to roll for something like that since it is a zero chance of success, the game explicitly states that the evolved Elder Brain can't be subdued by a non-mindflayer. The Brain's check is quite literally an impossible check, the critical success gives you only a certain advantage in the final battle. Critical success only gives you the best *possible* outcome, even though DnD all this time did not even allowed crit success on ability checks in the first place, and under the new d20 test rules - crit success/failure matters only up to a point. In other words, Jaheira isn't a fool - it would require her to become suddenly dumb and defy her common sense to make them trust you to not control the Brain.
I loved Jaheria tbh, her voice, her accent. maybe because we interacted with her more than others. the inn, her house, her background, harpers, the guild, Minsc... she good old women, stronger than she look.
i didnt get to minsc until after this so when i tried to knock him out, i just got told by the emperor that he cant be saved. boo later came over to his body and had sad and angry squeaks. i threw boo. xD
Damn, I let Jaheira live just to betray her here, but I never knew I could go for such an evil option. Then again, my Durge didn't use illithid powers as he thought it was beneath someone of his stature, so he still wouldn't have.
I killed Jaheira my first playthrough I didn't feel bad because my first playthrough I missed basically the whole game and alot of items and cutscenes as well. But after doing 6 playthroughs I always end up being an Good Urge it feels so much more rewarding even though I want to be evil you aren't rewarded enough and miss out on A LOT!!!!
To be fair, only 1 of the 3 main evil Durge rewards isn't laughably garbage (Deathstalker Mantle is so brokenly OP...while the Slayer form is a joke and the 1-time-use Power Word: Kill is hilariously weak with its 100 hp limit) to the point where the epic redemption arc story of a good Durge blows away those meager evil rewards out the water.
So sad. The last vestiges of the party that defeated Bhaal's plots in games past, dying to Bhaal's latest spawn and dooming the world with their failure.
I just wish the Jaheira/Minsk fight would be a little tougher. They are legendary heroes and my lv.12 storm sourcerer used 2 chain lightings to disintegrate them.
I never saw this on my evil playthrough... because I let Jaheria get mauled by the harpers after I let last light fall. I did get the achievement "Early Retirement" though. Kinda prefer doing it my way, considering I never personally needed to fight her.... I just pretended I totally didn't do anything and mosey'd back to camp.... lol
This happened to me but jahiera lived the last light inn fight and then I passed an intimidation check for her to just leave. Eventually in act 3 she just showed up in my camp like we were good buddies. she didn't last long as I was doing durge things lol.
This battle can either be a cakewalk, or like me minibosses if you've built them properly. They hasted themselves and just spammed ice storms and whirlwinds
Boy oh boy, I betrayed Jaheira and give her to Saverok yesterday and thought that was satisfying but THIS is perfect. Worth to reload and keep her alive abit longer.
I tried this once in my evil run. I didn't have it in me to kill them so i knocked them out instead. I still got the "Forced Retirement" inspiration but i headcanoned my durge forbade all bhaalist to touch them and just send them away unconscious :( i just love these two too much to actually end them.
I tried to convince them it wasn’t really my choice… then Jaheria got thunder arrowed off the bridge and minsc got dominated. I didn’t kill him. Because he was considered an ally while dominated, I just left. I couldn’t deal the final blow.
To think I let Jaheira die at last light and ignored Minsc all together, would of been a beautiful end to make them turn on eachother ah well, already made sure a certain barbarian wouldn’t be the head of any major corporation, sacrificed a blade to booal and yoinked the arm off a wizard
My headcanon is that Minsc made mincemeat out of Durge after they made him kill Jaheira. Theres no way he wouldnt turn absolute unstopptable berzerker mode
Too bad that obviously can't be what happens, since the only way for Minsc to be there in the first place is to get his ass handed to him and spared by Durge. Minsc owes Durge his life, it's only fitting for him/her to get to collect.
@@elenalizabeth I don't know, but knowing the game, they probably have considered you could fail the check and usually there is an unique scene for it (or at least a line from the narrator), and even if there is notthing (and the dialogue procedes as with a different option) the video could have shown it
@@97Zexion97 "and even if there is notthing (and the dialogue procedes as with a different option) the video could have shown it." Goodness, what a little monarch you are. The video creator opted instead to showcase one particular way things could play out because they felt like it. They don't owe anything more than that to you, no matter how much you feel like they "could" do it. You *can* find out yourself, instead of going around critiquing artistic labor of others based on whether they could have made it more precisely to your own subjective specifications.
Bruh idc I killed them, I wasn’t even gonna use the brain for evil and they turn on me using LEGENDARY weapons I got for them? I killed both with no remorse.
my game bugged and i didnt get this fight. jaheira and the harpers just stood outside the temple of bhaal and i couldnt interact with them, so i just left.
I had the same evil playthrough but for some reason Jaheira never tried to convince companions to betray me. Why is that? Maybe I had very high relationships with them (astarion, shadowheart and minthara)?
Holy fuck. Making Minsc kill Jaheira was brutal.
Same vibe as Zalbaar killing Mission back in the day
it's just like turning in the nightsong to lorroakan, after that bringing isobel to her and kill her infront of her
that was brutal
That was the most heartbreaking moment I've seen, especially after playing Bg1 and 2 D'x
@@jedi_connor3030 - Fucking Hell… I had put that out of my mind so long ago. It was so wrong 😖
I think you meant to say "fckin' HILARIOUS". ;-D
Making Minsc kill Jaheira must be the most evil thing you could have done no way
Bhaal approves
Well you can always kill Shadowheart's parents immediately after releasing them from Shar's grasp. That's pretty vile too.
@@quaestor856 yeah but mind controlling someone to kill their best friend is worse
Zaalbar welcomes Minsc to the club.
nah. giving nightsong to that one lorrok mage is worse.
Gale be like "I CAN FIX HER"
Acting unwise
I think Minsc killing Jaheira is the most insane thing I’ve ever seen, I did an evil Durge run and I didn’t even know that was *possible*
sadly jaheira killed herself on my durge playthrough in moonrise, so i couldnt see her til the end, really regret that seeing how she seems to be now.
She left for me after she agreed to help me kill minsc
Everytime I think I've seen the most evil thing you can do in this game it gets worse
No matter how bad it is it can *always* get worse
It's canon that Durge has throttled at least on infant in their crib.
Something tells me, and this is just a hunch, but something tells me she's won Bhaal's bloody blessing...
Jaheria died in Moonrise towers for me. She ran right into a group of enemies alone. I healed her a few times but she seemed dead set on dying
Yea seems if you don't have her in your party, she falls on her own sword repeatedly
She didn’t die for me but she did run right through a wall of fire. So did many of the harpers though
Gotta use sanctuary if you really wanna save her. Thanks to the patch 4, the allies now try to avoid dangerous AOE areas so make a good use with the AOE spells.
You are supposed to go back to moonlight inn before going to the tower@@pantheracheaxb747
Like someone else in the comments here pointed out, if you really want someone you don't directly control to survive, Sanctuary is a great way to do it. But timing it correctly can be tricky, so watch out for that. Still, this is your best option to make her survive the fight, if she happens to be overly aggressive. Throwing things like Shield of Faith on her also helps.
In my personal experience, I've found that the best way to keep Jaheira alive is not by healing or protecting her, but by offering a strong opening offense move, thinning the ranks of the enemy before she can act more than once. The more enemies you take off the field, the less they'll have to spank her with. Focus on taking out the weaker guys first, just to thin their numbers and if the stronger dudes start beating her up, then you can switch to healing and protecting after. Always worked for me. Come out swinging and keep a close eye on her health at all times. Pray that she shifts into an animal form sooner rather than later, since the damage she suffers while wildshaped doesn't carry over to her normal form (except for the superfluous damage that broke her shapeshift).
"Jaheira hoped there was still some flimsy light of good within you, small as Boo but just as bright."
God I love Minsc's dialogue lol
“It is an honor”
No, it is a hamster”
@@F1shyBab1shy "What hamster? It is not a hamster, it is a Boo"
No no, minsc says “no it is a hamster@@cataclysm2773
I like Minsc just as much as I despise Jaheira.
@@thisisaname5589 REAL
during this fight minsc wasn’t there, and i had never played jaheira, so she was a level 1 druid with 10 health.
She died instantly.
Bruh 😂
This is so sad. To think that Jaheira and Minsc watch over you when you sleep the night you found out who you are, gave you all those pep talks, put in so much trust and support to encourage you to be better than what the dark urge made you. Just to be betrayed and ended like that. It is so sad. Even if I am playing Evil durge, I don't think I can bring myself to do this to them ; _ ; This is worse than letting Jaheira in Last Night or Moonrise.
First time I tried to do an evil playthrough I gave up after act 1 and the recruitment of minthara. It’s genuinely difficult to put yourself through it 😂 I suppose that’s just good writing through, when the evil playthroughs are just that. Evil.
@@TheStanDudley I killed minthara after killing the druids AND then i killed all the goblins, Surprisingly, your party does NOT treat you as evil, if you kill the goblins after killing the full druid camp o.o So strange.
@@TheStanDudley I played evil durge on my 3rd playthrough, legit had to quit the game because I so devastated after betraying Zevlor, I remember almost every Tiefling that I was striking down. Had to take a break and go back to my good playthrough for a few days :(
I’m in in I n n in in i
@@omgwtfbbq11111 I did a good playthrough and I felt bad just seeing those who died in the Shadowlands because I had talked to them at the party the night before (I put off the party until everything else in act 1 was done). Like damnit why was there no option to accompany them and help protect them 😕
Durge played the loooooong game, held off on killing Isobel, won Jaheira’s favour and rescued Minsc. Just so it would hurt them so much more in the end 😂
I killed Isobel and still managed to have Jaheira join me!
You can still recruit Jaheira after you kill Isobel. She stands with you as all of the last light residents turn undead, then questions you to which you can reply "wasn't me mate, no idea what happened."
@@monged4life442she ended up joining my party in my evil run after I admitted it was me who killed isobel. I intimidated her to leave, after I killed Ketheric, she joined me as if it was a good playthrough. I even mockingly did the “what about the Harper’s” dialogue, knowing damn well they’re dead
I killed isobel and spun jaheira a web of lies going all the way to the entrance of the temple of bhaal. Even recruiting and saving minsc to prove that I'm a 'good guy'
@@monged4life442 Durge: "I don't know! We were just talking when this random deep gnome fell out of the sky and slammed into her!"
Dark Urge : "You really think you can kill me ?"
*Jaheira & Minsc regain their true power from the bg2 era, when they were level 30 demigods*
Dark Urge : "Oh f*ck..."
I thought the level cap was 20?
@@danielholmes7142 The level cap is 8.000.000 xp in BG2 Throne of Bhaal. The max level is 40 for most classes. It's lower if you multiclass of course.
level 40*(jaheira a bit lower since she is a druid fighter multiclass) with epic boons and such
@@danielholmes7142 In standard dungeons and dragons, yes. BG3 plays WAYYY closer to DnD than BG2 did.
Wasn't BG1 and 2 using 2e or 3e D&D?
All i can picture now is;
Jaheria: "We will stop this madness, here and now!"
Minsc: "Hold a moment Jaheria. Boo says we are due for a... soft-ware, up date?"
Jaheria: ". . . why am i now a Ranger? What mad-wizard wrote this?"
OMG.... that Minsc stab! You made Boo cry!
Its Boo's turn next 😈
The first time i played as dark urge i completely forgot about Minsc (to meet him) and just went straight to Orin for the epic duel. After i became the Slayer she was waiting for me, but there was no Minsc and she STILL TALKED TO HIM lmao😂 like she was talking to herself, it was really funny.
I thought she got dementia because of her age😂
Of course, she is ancient - but she still has work to do.
@@joelkorhonen3170 I mean she's only ancient because she's a half elf. If she were a full elf she would be young, sprightly, and just easing into adulthood. Minsc was a statue by the way. That's why he's alive 100 years after BG2. Probably the same for Boo as well (he was part of the statue) but I'm not so sure. I don't know the average life expectancy of a miniature giant space hamster...
@@cmwinchellYou say that but the fake Viconia hasn't weathered the last century all that well either.
@@cmwinchell yeah they hinted at that story (the “stolen ranger statue”) right from act 1, I thought that was a cool detail to add in. There was a letter or poster about it and how there was a reward for finding the beloved ranger statue.
I assume he was in a preserved state like those frozen statues in the Underdark and was released with a basilisk potion 🤔
@@elenalizabeth Minsc was released from petrification in one of the D&D comic series "Legends of Baldur's Gate" by a wild magic surge of a sorceress. Since he was no longer a statue, the people of Baldur's Gate believed the statue of "The Beloved Ranger" had been stolen. Acc. to Forgotten Realms Wiki, this happened somewhere in the 1480s DR, which means it's been 12 years since Minsc up and walked away by the time BG3 is set. Either the rewards poster is old af or a relic that survived the ages far from Baldur's Gate.
Achievement unlocked: Ligma Bhaals
Who the hell's Steve Jobs?
I've just finished an evil run, and like... there's a lot of bad shit here. I've now raided the Grove (dreadful), ascended Astarion for the first time (awful, I hate him in this form and he was my first romance), DJ'd Shadowheart... you name it's been harsh, but also like really interesting? I never ever play games evil but I love this game so much that I wanted to try it.
... But amongst all the nasty shit, THIS. This broke me. I had to walk away and do something else for an hour man, and I didn't even get Minsc to kill Jaheira. The fact that what is a last stand for you against the villain with your powerful friends is now them taking a last stand against YOU... chills. Actual chills. Masterpiece of a mood-setter, walking out in your bloody Chosen triumph to this horror show. Proud of you for that one Larian, you bastards. 😂
some games struggle do have a good dialog in general, this game have multiple good dialogs depending on the players choice
Making Minsc kill Jaheira = Biggest UNO card reversal of all time
This could’ve been an amazing confrontation if Minsc and Jaheira
We’re actually strong as they are meant to be by the end of BG2. Level 20 characters with epic abilities would’ve made playing an evil durge a challenge
Keep in mind that over a 100 years have passed since then Jaheria comments that’s she is not as strong as she once was, and that she has been hoping a new generations of heroes would come and take over for her. And in Minsc case I’m not really sure if being frozen in time while encased in stone impaired his abilities at all but it wouldn’t be strange if it did
@@audioapegaming3334 As for Minsc, he got tadpoled just like the rest of the party who's banter all indicates that the initial tadpoling severely limited their abilities for a time while they readjusted.
The funny part for me was that I never used Jaheira, so when this happened for me she was still level 1. The fact that game doesn't make either of them an NPC again and level her up to be a threat in case you don't take the time to level up companions you never use is hilarious.
Yea. Seems like heroes of old but died pretty quickly under my smite crits
Actually, end of tob is 8M exp, level 40. minsc is arguably the worst companion bar Wilson, you might get past him, even tho I seriously doubt it. Jaheira on the other end… let’s put it simple, I don’t think you could hit her realistically, and she can cast Druid hlas, lvl7 Druid spells (dolorous decay) and have access to +4/5 weapons. Good thing it wasn’t Edwin or Neera or any arcane spellcaster, they would evaporate anything in bg3 with a horrid wilting/incendiary cloud
Lore wise they would 1000% kill the durge but unfortunately for them we are main characters
exactly its something they could 100% do
Lore-wise, Jaheira shouldn't be talking that crap about how the path of the Bhaalspawn only ever goes one way.
3:30 Wow. Literally gasped at making Minsc do... that.
Nobody else talking about how gale's just holding out hope? Truly the most loyal companion
he’s kinda iffy on us being bhaalspawn but astarion was that guy, fuckin it we bhaal
Oof. Gale's "I can fix her" towards the Dark Urge is like Tav's "I can fix him" towards Ascended Astarian. Both are facing an eternity with their abusers.
And thats why Gale is forever Bae
She's a Slayer-Queen
Gunpowder, gelatine
Dynamite with a laser beam
Guaranteed to blow your mind
Anytime
I can imagine a different way this plays out as a conniving, mastermind Durge.
A Durge that loses all faith that they can resist Bhaal... So they plant Jaheira and Minsc nearby, to ensure that they will be destroyed by the pair of heroes before enacting Bhaal's will.
Thats a fantastic twist! I hope the devs get ahold of that and weave it into a future update cause that's brilliant.
oh gosh thats so beautiful and so sad
Oh, this is good. :D It's on par with the character concept that the DUrge is also Evil, but secretly resents Bhaal's "hand on the wheel" as the Urge, so to speak. You have no true control over who and what you kill; you're just a vessel for Bhaal's whims. So after you reject Bhaal's blessing and Withers resurrects you, you bask in the congratulations of your companions for having "beaten Bhaal", but inside you exult in the satisfaction that none of them realize that you were complicit in the killings all along.
Dayum, you'd think Jaheira would see the mind control tadpole option coming. XD
I was fine with killing the grove, last light, the night song but god this part hurt as she’s been my favourite character since bg1 and I had had her in my party 90% of act 3
This was probably the best-structured “all options” video I’ve seen
'jokes on you jaheira i never levelled you up, enjoy your 10hp and default gear'
or alternatively
'bhaal just gave me power word kill, but by all means try and stop me'
Gale no honey, no you can't fix her.
Proceeds to I can fix him in my play through
In all her self-righteous indignation, Jahaira forgot one very important detail; someone still had a tadpole in his head.
She is definitely going to regret that later. Emperor only saved Minsc because of us
Kinda wished there was an option where they would immediately off you after confronting the final boss. Kinda like the ending where you turn into a mind flayer and choose to end your journey earlier than the others.
Wouldn't make any sense. I mean, there's the option that DU would do it themselves if they defy their father at the last moment after the battle, but it would be foolish of Jaheira and Minsc to trust someone who, as far as they knew, was hell-bent on being the psychopathic killer that does Bhaal's bidding
@@munchkintaker4263 we got a level 99 check for the brain, it's not impossible
@@magic_cfw Bad example. Ability checks do not allow to do everything, DMs usually do not even allow to roll for something like that since it is a zero chance of success, the game explicitly states that the evolved Elder Brain can't be subdued by a non-mindflayer. The Brain's check is quite literally an impossible check, the critical success gives you only a certain advantage in the final battle. Critical success only gives you the best *possible* outcome, even though DnD all this time did not even allowed crit success on ability checks in the first place, and under the new d20 test rules - crit success/failure matters only up to a point.
In other words, Jaheira isn't a fool - it would require her to become suddenly dumb and defy her common sense to make them trust you to not control the Brain.
@@magic_cfweven if you get a nat 20 you still don't control the brain, it just gets weaker during the final encounter
This is the one part that made me reconsider going full Bhaal route. I could never bring myself to kill granny Jaheira and Minsc.
You can end the world, lay waste to countless innocents, but making Minsc kill Jaheira?
That's too evil for even Bhaal himself
but i think bhaal probably likes minsc.
I loved Jaheria tbh, her voice, her accent.
maybe because we interacted with her more than others. the inn, her house, her background, harpers, the guild, Minsc...
she good old women, stronger than she look.
I cant bear watching my girl jaheira get killed like that.
Having Minsc kill Jaheria is Mission Vao in KOTOR all over again.
i didnt get to minsc until after this so when i tried to knock him out, i just got told by the emperor that he cant be saved.
boo later came over to his body and had sad and angry squeaks.
i threw boo. xD
So you were high on emperor's koolaid
@@kitten_with_bad_breath no if Jaheira isn’t alive there is no way to convince Minsc that you are the good guys, or at least that’s what I’ve seen
Yeah you need Jaheirq alive to recruit minsc
this is why i can never do a fully evil play through, i love jaheira and minsc way too much to even think about hurting them.
4:00 darth revan vs bowdarr and mission flashbacks
A Man of a culture I see
I expected this outcome in my durge run when I gaslit Jaheira into thinking I had nothing to do with the shit that happened at last light.
Gale is such an enabler, since the goblin party, but i love him nonetheless
I just played yesterday, I became Bhaal's chosen and they just went away... No fight...
If in party they leave your team, but you will still see them on the bridge
Damn, I let Jaheira live just to betray her here, but I never knew I could go for such an evil option.
Then again, my Durge didn't use illithid powers as he thought it was beneath someone of his stature, so he still wouldn't have.
I killed Jaheira my first playthrough I didn't feel bad because my first playthrough I missed basically the whole game and alot of items and cutscenes as well. But after doing 6 playthroughs I always end up being an Good Urge it feels so much more rewarding even though I want to be evil you aren't rewarded enough and miss out on A LOT!!!!
To be fair, only 1 of the 3 main evil Durge rewards isn't laughably garbage (Deathstalker Mantle is so brokenly OP...while the Slayer form is a joke and the 1-time-use Power Word: Kill is hilariously weak with its 100 hp limit) to the point where the epic redemption arc story of a good Durge blows away those meager evil rewards out the water.
"We have slain queens. And gods. And one time, a giant. But never before... a friend."
Noooo, it's such a sad phrase! 😭
So sad. The last vestiges of the party that defeated Bhaal's plots in games past, dying to Bhaal's latest spawn and dooming the world with their failure.
I just wish the Jaheira/Minsk fight would be a little tougher. They are legendary heroes and my lv.12 storm sourcerer used 2 chain lightings to disintegrate them.
Seeing Jaheira backstabbed was truly a thing of beauty. Thank you!
The other truly evil thing you can do is take Minsc and Jaheria when you meet with Sarevok and offer them as a sacrifice to Bhaal
i highly doubt bhaal likes you offing minsc
I never saw this on my evil playthrough... because I let Jaheria get mauled by the harpers after I let last light fall.
I did get the achievement "Early Retirement" though.
Kinda prefer doing it my way, considering I never personally needed to fight her.... I just pretended I totally didn't do anything and mosey'd back to camp.... lol
This happened to me but jahiera lived the last light inn fight and then I passed an intimidation check for her to just leave. Eventually in act 3 she just showed up in my camp like we were good buddies.
she didn't last long as I was doing durge things lol.
This battle can either be a cakewalk, or like me minibosses if you've built them properly. They hasted themselves and just spammed ice storms and whirlwinds
Boy oh boy, I betrayed Jaheira and give her to Saverok yesterday and thought that was satisfying but THIS is perfect. Worth to reload and keep her alive abit longer.
I love Jaheira. This is so sad
Good Slayer Durge: "Guys! I'm gonna become a mindflayer and disembowel myself at the very end! Guys! GUYS!"
My jaw dropped at Minsc killing Jaheria..I was in shock for a good few minutes.
Forcing Minsc was the best. Absolutely savage.
Your Durge looks like Jade McSorley from Britain's next top model.
It would be awesome if endgame had PvP like DOS 2 did, it just makes so much sense.
NPC's sure love to throw the; "And you could've let them killed you!" retort, around
HOLY CRAP MAKE MİNSC KİLL JAHERİA???? THİS İST HE MOST EVİL THİNG I EVER SEE SO FAR
None shall stand in my way sounds gives me vibes of
non shall that the throne
Dark Urge looks so cool but idk if I have the heart for it honestly lmao
You can do a redemption run durge.
When this happened on my evil run I didn’t use Jaheria a single time so she was level one and died instantly
I tried this once in my evil run. I didn't have it in me to kill them so i knocked them out instead. I still got the "Forced Retirement" inspiration but i headcanoned my durge forbade all bhaalist to touch them and just send them away unconscious :( i just love these two too much to actually end them.
Didn’t get this cutscene cuz jaherias familiar was still next to me in orins chamber. It automatically put me into combat.
Considering how legendary they are I imagine they could kill the durge
My dark urge run except I made sure my character looked the part. I made him look like Kazuya Mishima 😂.
Minsc is amazing, I love him 😍😍😍
There’s something much more heartbreaking about playing a Durge that starts off trying to do good (or decent) and then embarrassing Bhaal
Dang that gave me ptsd flashbacks from KOTOR :(
I tried to convince them it wasn’t really my choice… then Jaheria got thunder arrowed off the bridge and minsc got dominated. I didn’t kill him. Because he was considered an ally while dominated, I just left. I couldn’t deal the final blow.
I guess you need to be evil durge for jaheira to confront you cause I never got any scene like it
Bra, my Dark Urge ended them all nearly by himself, with no sweat lost
now i am playing as an unhinged Urge and it is soul breaking :|
I read the comments and still was shocked that was prob one of the most or may be even the most fucked up options i have seen in bg3
"And one time a giant!"
Tbh wanting me to just let myself die made me feel almost no remorse for them.
I understand what would have happened if i did but still
There are 2 types of team. Jaheira+Minsk and others
Honestly, I've never liked Jaheira. This is more than I could ask for :D
i did this fight last night, i didnt even level minsc up and he was level 1 💀
Lore wise they would destroy us
To think I let Jaheira die at last light and ignored Minsc all together, would of been a beautiful end to make them turn on eachother ah well, already made sure a certain barbarian wouldn’t be the head of any major corporation, sacrificed a blade to booal and yoinked the arm off a wizard
Honestly, I don’t want to hurt Minsc in any way
HOW DO YOU GET THIS SCENE
My headcanon is that Minsc made mincemeat out of Durge after they made him kill Jaheira. Theres no way he wouldnt turn absolute unstopptable berzerker mode
Too bad that obviously can't be what happens, since the only way for Minsc to be there in the first place is to get his ass handed to him and spared by Durge.
Minsc owes Durge his life, it's only fitting for him/her to get to collect.
me when i’ve won balls bloody blessing
I always find it major eye roll inducing when some character tells the protagonist "You could have just deleted yourself, duh!"
You didn't show what happens failing the wisdom check to control Minsc
What happens then?
@@elenalizabeth I don't know, but knowing the game, they probably have considered you could fail the check and usually there is an unique scene for it (or at least a line from the narrator), and even if there is notthing (and the dialogue procedes as with a different option) the video could have shown it
@@97Zexion97
"and even if there is notthing (and the dialogue procedes as with a different option) the video could have shown it."
Goodness, what a little monarch you are. The video creator opted instead to showcase one particular way things could play out because they felt like it. They don't owe anything more than that to you, no matter how much you feel like they "could" do it. You *can* find out yourself, instead of going around critiquing artistic labor of others based on whether they could have made it more precisely to your own subjective specifications.
Where will this happen???😧😧😧😧😧
Bruh idc I killed them, I wasn’t even gonna use the brain for evil and they turn on me using LEGENDARY weapons I got for them? I killed both with no remorse.
my game bugged and i didnt get this fight. jaheira and the harpers just stood outside the temple of bhaal and i couldnt interact with them, so i just left.
And then you fight them and they’re still level 1 🤣
I had the same evil playthrough but for some reason Jaheira never tried to convince companions to betray me. Why is that? Maybe I had very high relationships with them (astarion, shadowheart and minthara)?
Lol i offered them to bhaal at the tribunal
Jeez making minsc kill jaheria was horrible
how can you get this scene ? jaheira n misc be alive at act 3 and ascend as bhaal chosen ?
everyone there hoow?
Whats required for this scene? It didn't show for me on my durge playthrough
probably need to sacrifice valerie, kill someone on the list get slayer before killing orin and accept becoming a tool.
Gale is a real one for staying loyal even if you’re as evil as you can be homie gale doesn’t leave your side.
more like his wisdom is too low to leave.