The archaeologist dude losing it after not seeing an Engineer but having all kinds of evidence of their presence killed the inner archaeologist in me lol.
Literally every scientist in this film failed at their specialty. But a biologist trying to pet an animal doing an obvious threat display just takes the cake. We have evolved for billions of years to recognize those instinctively, and in a fraction of a second! Even small children will instinctively back off when they see it. Yet this scientist who specialises in literally that subject just... ignores it. WTF.
@@davorzdralo8000 Yep, Ridley Scott (Diddly Squat as I think Mr H referred to him back in the day), really dropped the ball here. Should have seriously stripped down the cast to a small handful of explorers, THEN get someone in who knows how to write compelling side characters, maybe from a local school or something
It always bugged me that the guy who makes the maps is one of the ones who got lost, and the guy who specialised in living organisms didn't recognize obviously threatening behaviour.
It bugged me that in the months that the ship was approaching the planet that NOBODY did a weather survey/gas survey/scientific survey of any type whatsoever.
I thought the mapper was high and that is why he got lost and made poor decisions. Recall the lines: "Is that tobacco in your respirator?" "Sure. Tobacco." (Sarcastically implying it is not tobacco)
@@devidiaHe's seeking his makers approval by killing them? This becomes even more dubious after Alien Covenant. The best explanation we have for David's motivation is that he resents the idea of bieng created. Of having "Masters". I think he also has a Superiority complex wherein he considers himself better than both the Humans and the Engineers and thus believes he can create the perfect life form. The Xenomorph Something that in his mind both Engineers and humans failed to do. (You could also say that he considers their creations to be failures because both the Engineers and Humans tried to make their Creations in their own image. Whereas David took the Xenomorphs to the full extent of evolution). Ofcourse all of this sounds good on paper but in reality had a very mediocre execution at best.
What are you talking about, identical? They're wearing different shirts and one of them even has glasses! I don't know how much less identical you can get than that!
My favurite bit in this extraordinary film is when she has a giant writhing monster literally ripped out of her womb by a fairground claw machine, grabs what appears to be a staple gun and staples her belly back together, gets up and immediately SPRINTS down a corridor.
Actually, Mad Max fury road's script was supposed to be for Prometheus and vice-versa, but Charlize Theron got them mixed and they just run with them replaced anyway.
@@shaumikp1 I know I'm a minority here, but I really enjoyed this movie despite its flaws, and I've watched it multiple times since it was released and it still holds up in my opinion.
@@shaumikp1 Having some room for speculation is nice, but the movie should at the very least provide some solid foundation to build from. With Prometheus is more like coming up with your own story from the ground and then trying to fit the "argument".
I think in the original manga the executive just got surgery to look like the screenwriter. The third cousin thing is just something they added for the video
The amount of times he says “why would you do that?” And the response is “unclear” is too many times. It makes you wonder how this movie got past the pitch meeting in reality.
"So you say, the geologist gets lost in a cave?" - "He does, sir!" - "The one he just mapped with his cool mapping equipment?" - "One and the same!" - "And the biologist is scared of a dead alien body?" - "He basically runs away screaming!" - "But he tries to pet an unknown alien organism, because it looks cute?" - "Alive and cute, like a cobra!" - "It resembles a dangerous, venomous snake?" - "In total attack mode!" - "A very uneducated biologist." - "He dies." - "That is the crew for the trillion dollar expedition?" - "The best money can buy." - "Wow, wow, wow.... wow."
That last part had me rolling... The mission itself and the fancy useless mapping gadgets must've costed so much that all they could afford was the uneducated scientists.
I wanted this movie to be good so badly, but by the end of it I was so f*cking angry at how awful it was. You had the coolest idea from Alien to exploit, it hued so much potential, and it was all squandered... How can you setup so many things and not pay off anything at all?! It should have been called Blue Balls: The Movie. And yeah, how to discredit and destroy you're movie in 5 seconds: Write your characters a certain way, then 5 minutes later have them behave completely contradictary to how you wrote them as. A five years old could write more consistant characters! Come on! And don't get me started on the pitiful Alien Covenant... That movie should have be called How to Get Yourself Killed in an Horror Movie: The movie...
There was actually a scene of a young Guy Pearce on a 2020-something TED talk show, which was the only good thing in the movie so of course it’s only natural to delete it.
"Why'd he do that?" "Oh, now that you mention it, I don't--I don't know." Literally describes the entire decision-making process of every character in this movie and Alien: Covenant.
The script was written during an 8 hour bender powered by vodka, whiskey and LSD. It made sense in the guy's head, at the time. How it made sense to producers and director (Ridley Scott!) is anybody's guess.
I always thought the designers of the ship should have put a small door in it, as well as the huge loading bay door, must have been the guys who designed the Dark Star.
@@zagreus5773It's just a common idiom. (1) the OP didn't say what you impute, (2) there are other colonies besides those in America, (3) America has more countries than USA, but you seem not to realize it, and (4) Americans don't believe that nonsense, it's just a strawman that people who hate us like to tell each other to rationalize their hatred. But it's interesting you needed to get so triggered about it. That kind of resentment often arises as a result of an inferiority complex.
2:26 _"And meanwhile on the ship, Charlie is all sad and depressed, now."_ _"Oh, how come?"_ _"Because he was looking for a massive scientific breakthrough and all he got was a massive scientific breakthrough."_ lol.
Not like it's a common joke to reuse jokes from the video and slap something else on it to garner a laugh, entice us to listen to it again for additional insight, and a plethora of other valid reasons that can make it both annoying and useful😐
@@talphazero1036 It's a valid criticism because Charlie's motivation makes no sense. He's all sad and depressed because . . . . why, exactly? This is a huge discovery. What they've found will keep Earth scientists busy for decades.
not only that, but he didnt even know for sure yet that the aliens were all dead. He went all pouty the moment they entered orbit and ONLY discovered the first physical proof of alien life, which will have been one of the most important discoveries in human history. But yeah, total bummer
@@flatebo1 actually for me, this is true. I grew up enjoying aliens. I was hoping this wouldn't be SO detailed to ruin it. Prometheus such also. They were so crazy awkward that it became it's own movie. I didnt even really think about the connection. So I was able to enjoy jt
Yeah, it's the only thing that makes this unrealistic. In reality it would go more like... "So you have a sequel, prequel or spinoff for me?" "Sir sir, I do-" "Boom! Here's your check, money ain't tight!" And then producer guy would snort a line of coke off some poor actress trying to get her break in Hollywood.
Observable Observer That's literally the joke. Unlike the average Hollywood producer, this one is knowledgeable and asks pointed questions. But he really doesn't care about any of the answers that the screenwriter guy provides. Hence he uses phrases like "that works", "fair enough", "let me get off that thing" (SG's back). He'll approve anything as long as he sees commercial value. This pitch meeting is basically an amusement for him.
... by driving said franchise into a bus full of nuns, an orphanage, a petting zoo and off a cliff that is conveniently above the heart of an active volcano. Yup. Seems to be about what happened, yeah.
Just watched the movie with Ryan’s alongside to help me understand what the hell the movie was. He didn’t disappoint. It’s probably the most professionally made bag of crap ever.
Scott: So, this time, I want to make an android trilogy that's based in the Aliens universe. You know, like an Alien/Blade Runner crossover, but not really. Investors: Uh... no. Who's going to watch an alien movie without the aliens? I mean, that's the whole schtick of the Alien franchise. Scott: Oh. Okay. Cool. Cool. So, how about instead I make another alien movie? Investors: Excellent! Tell us more! Scott: It's gonna have three parts, and an android will play a big role in all three.
apparently theirs some novel explains that they were picked by the head of security or something because he didn't want any smart people that could ...threaten his position?! im not sure i just read it on the trivia
“Terrifying Genital Space Cobra” is the most metal-sounding musical concept album (later adapted into an off-Broadway stage production) that doesn’t exist, but should.
@@H3llb0und - Yes, you're right. There are several deleted scenes. All together I think they add up to approx. 20+ extra minutes of scenes that explains A LOT. Wish those scenes were kept in the final edit of the film because they do explain more on the character backgrounds and add extra information on the Engineers and other plot points.
@@tturi2 Yeah, it's so bad. I'd be really curious where it went off the rails. Like, was there pressure from the studio to make it a generic CGI vehicle, or were the writers just that clueless about what made Alien good in the first place?
@@IanCaine4728 all of those options, like the fan made alien lore is 100x better than the billion dollar bs we get, because the fans are actually passionate about what they are making
Best description I ever heard. The lack of professionalism the characters have is insanee, and we're talking about super trained best-in-the-field types of people
What is really sad, is that Prometheus could have been a good film if the writing and characters were not so awful....the music was there, the cinematic elements were great. I think Ridley tried to re-create the Alien "feel" (a sense of the mysterious unknown which fills the imagination) but he did it so badly, showing so many meaningless things that have no logic or possible answers.
What suddenly occurs to me is how perfectly you are able to portray 2 really different characters consistently. Great acting dude...dudes? There is only one of you...right?
@@needacuppa1898 Hollywood nepotism. Being the non-identical 3rd cousin of an exec is the only reason he's had more than a hundred terrible movies greenlit
I thought the producer guy could be a different person for each movie studio that appears on the door, and screenwriter guy is almost always a different person. Or they could always be the same people.
I think it would be awesome to do Classic Film Pitch Meetings, for movies like "Casablanca," "Citizen Kane," etc. He could do them in period clothes, with that Mid-Atlantic dialect, or whatever it's called. Could be fun.
It's cool how you guys make this oblique reference and knowingly nod without having to name it, as wisened old fishermen in the Sea of UA-cam. ITS CINEMASINS, I UNDERSTOOD THAT REFERENCE!
@@Tomsfilipsons And yet, all but one failed to notice that he didn't even get his reference right. How hard is it to reference things? Super easy, barely.
The funniest part is; the joke of them being 3rd cousins actually holds more plot relevance to the series of Pitch Meeting than the relation reveal in Prometheus.
@@joaoc556 I'm pretty sure carrying an alien life form and then performing a c-section on yourself is going to preclude you from running and jumping for a while, regardless of the century.
For me, part of the horror of the original Alien was that there were so many questions: what were they? Where did they come from? But the scary part was that the universe is so vast, so old, so much more immense than humanity can ever be, that it doesn't care about our questions. We don't deserve answers because, ultimately, in the face of the black, cold, ageless cosmos, we are insignificant. And there are beings out there utterly beyond our comprehension, to which we are just food. The new batch of movies took that totally away, and made it all about *us.* Like, humans have this special place in the scheme of the universe. I really feel that completely diminished the Aliens' power.
I felt like Ridley Scott was saying it was all about him, rather than all the other creators who could justly lay claim to the Alien legend: Dan O'Bannon, H.R. Giger, James Cameron etc.
“What is she going to eat?”, was my first, and then constant thought, the first time I watched the film and got to that scene. I liked that they were going exploring and looking for engineers. But I also could not get beyond that.
Watched "Alien" on tv last night, gotta be my favorite movie of all time. I was too young to see it in theaters but saw it on late-night HBO when I was eleven - scared the crap outta me. I longed all these years for a Ridley Scott return to the franchise, which might be the most profound disappointment in my life.
I like when the producer guy interrupts the pitch guy with something important and the pitch guy just ignores it and moves on. “Oh, for a reveal later?” “No.”
The 3rd cousin part finally explains that slight resemblance they share.
Resemblance? I'm not seeing it.
@@JoeSyxpack It isn't easy to see, it's only really when the light is from the right angle.
But...one of them wears glasses! No way they're related.
Yeah, that producer guy doesn't have glasses.
Slight resemblances are tight.
That movie should really have been called "Alien: Unclear"
naaah.. Alien: It's Something.
Yup, the movie ask many questions and refuse to answer most of them, great writing 101.... it reminds me of JJ abrams mystery box.
@@sirius4k that's too long. Alien: Something
@@femtoservants so true
Making life is super easy, barely an inconvenience.
"Is there gonna be a big reveal later?"
"No"
-this movie in 10 words or less
the movie wasn’t even worth counting the words
@@NomTom I counted them anyway. It was as advertised.
New catchphrase!
I had to watch it twice cause I thought I was missing something.
@@Spimmick so, did you miss something? :D
The archaeologist dude losing it after not seeing an Engineer but having all kinds of evidence of their presence killed the inner archaeologist in me lol.
Literally every scientist in this film failed at their specialty. But a biologist trying to pet an animal doing an obvious threat display just takes the cake. We have evolved for billions of years to recognize those instinctively, and in a fraction of a second! Even small children will instinctively back off when they see it. Yet this scientist who specialises in literally that subject just... ignores it. WTF.
@@davorzdralo8000 Yep, Ridley Scott (Diddly Squat as I think Mr H referred to him back in the day), really dropped the ball here. Should have seriously stripped down the cast to a small handful of explorers, THEN get someone in who knows how to write compelling side characters, maybe from a local school or something
@@davorzdralo8000 Also the biologist calls evolution "Darwinism".
@@halley4032 Mr. H?
@@beestingza To be fair, there was quite a lot of Darwinism on display amongst the characters in this movie.
"He was looking for a massive scientific breakthrough and all he got was a massive scientific breakthrough." - made me chuckle
Hate it when that happens.
My parents went to Princeton. And all I got was this crummy massive scientific breakthrough.
Accurate
"ugh, I didn't find exactly what I wanted. I just found dead aliens. phooey!"
@Chuck Haggert yes.
and he took all of one-half of a day's research to jump to that incorrect conclusion.
It always bugged me that the guy who makes the maps is one of the ones who got lost, and the guy who specialised in living organisms didn't recognize obviously threatening behaviour.
this is because ridley scott literally does not understand science, or fiction
This movie really felt as though it should have been a good movie, but...
It bugged me that in the months that the ship was approaching the planet that NOBODY did a weather survey/gas survey/scientific survey of any type whatsoever.
I thought the mapper was high and that is why he got lost and made poor decisions. Recall the lines:
"Is that tobacco in your respirator?"
"Sure. Tobacco." (Sarcastically implying it is not tobacco)
@Ben Dover based
"Is it a sequel, prequel, or reboot?"
"Its something..."
Lol yea that about sums up Prometheus.
It was something alright.
Its a B horror movie with a budget of $130 million tacked onto a franchise for nostalgia
Yes
"Yep, it's a movie all right!"
2:36 "David's just kinda doin stuff"
Glad it wasn't just me who didn't understand what the hell this character's motivations were supposed to be.
One of the writers watched Alien while high way back in college and thought 'Hey so like what if we like make the synthetic human go evil"
It's kinda obvious he's seeking his makers approval. Did you even watch the movie?
This. Just because an android does evil stuff in one movie doesn't make it a meme that you HAVE to repeat.
@@devidiaHe's seeking his makers approval by killing them?
This becomes even more dubious after Alien Covenant.
The best explanation we have for David's motivation is that he resents the idea of bieng created. Of having "Masters".
I think he also has a Superiority complex wherein he considers himself better than both the Humans and the Engineers and thus believes he can create the perfect life form. The Xenomorph
Something that in his mind both Engineers and humans failed to do. (You could also say that he considers their creations to be failures because both the Engineers and Humans tried to make their Creations in their own image. Whereas David took the Xenomorphs to the full extent of evolution).
Ofcourse all of this sounds good on paper but in reality had a very mediocre execution at best.
@@kingkiller5325 I think you are confusing his behavior in Covenant for his behavior in Prometheus. He didn't quite kill his maker now did he?
The twist of them being identical 3rd cousins was way more shocking than any of the twists in Prometheus.
You're not wrong.
What are you talking about, identical? They're wearing different shirts and one of them even has glasses! I don't know how much less identical you can get than that!
I reckon that's the point of it.
Not to mention way more sensible than anything happening in Prometheus. Identical third 3rd cousins - absolutely.
Identical!? But Writer Guy wears glasses.
“So it’s gonna be like a big reveal later?”
“No”
This whole movie. 😶
I've rarely seen a movie that acts like it has so much to say, but barely says anything.
"So that the movie can happen."
Also this whole movie.
I mean......covenant clearly answered the question of the black goo
Search for videos explaining it, there are interesting theories.
@@wofmanpt18 - Was one of them mislabeled, “The Secret of the Ooze”?
Asking for a former employee of CRS.
Well now we know why the screenwriter keeps getting his scripts made. Nepotism is TIGHT!
3rd cousins are tight!!
@@ronin1648 Eww
This is actually pretty accurate when it comes to Hollywood too lol
It certainly is.
Where's the link to when he says it??? Someone make it happen
My favurite bit in this extraordinary film is when she has a giant writhing monster literally ripped out of her womb by a fairground claw machine, grabs what appears to be a staple gun and staples her belly back together, gets up and immediately SPRINTS down a corridor.
Adrenaline is a helluva drug, I guess....
Yeah, I was thinking of that, too. But there were so many wtf moments in the movie that the abortion moment kinda drowned among them.
Right after it explodes goo all in her open wound
This movie has such a terrible script. Can’t understand the positive reviews
@@JG-re2bbit aggravated me when close friends of mine that looked to me for film recommendations get confused by me hating this movie
This actually helped me understand that it wasn’t me being distracted- the movie really was this senseless. So thank you for that.
I think everyone who made the movie was drunk or it was a massive prank
Yeah I really expected it to be better, if not for the alien at the end you'd be forgiven for having no clue this was meant to be a prequel
Actually, Mad Max fury road's script was supposed to be for Prometheus and vice-versa, but Charlize Theron got them mixed and they just run with them replaced anyway.
It helped me too, last time they posted it...and the other time they reposted it.
@@NecropsY1 No, they were just kind of shity at their job. Hence the behavior of the self-insert scientist guys.
"Unclear" is probably the most accurate description of this movie ever.
i actually enjoyed that part of it because it left us to speculate and left us with more questions
@@shaumikp1 I know I'm a minority here, but I really enjoyed this movie despite its flaws, and I've watched it multiple times since it was released and it still holds up in my opinion.
That would have been a more honest title.
@@shaumikp1 u do not speculate on plot holes, u make fun of them
@@shaumikp1 Having some room for speculation is nice, but the movie should at the very least provide some solid foundation to build from. With Prometheus is more like coming up with your own story from the ground and then trying to fit the "argument".
Is the 3rd cousin thing canon now? I NEED TO KNOW
There is 0 continuity in these videos as far as I can tell.
"Unclear"
I think in the original manga the executive just got surgery to look like the screenwriter. The third cousin thing is just something they added for the video
@@hassathunter2464 "Fair enough"
Super easy, barely an inconvenience..........never mind, that doesn't really work here.
"So, you've got an alien movie for me?"
"Yes, sir, I kind of do."
That's by far the best summary for this movie
The amount of times he says “why would you do that?” And the response is “unclear” is too many times. It makes you wonder how this movie got past the pitch meeting in reality.
Money.
@@onkelpappkov2666 Coca
Answer : Unclear!
It was rather easy, hardly an inconvenience
@@SirCanuckelhead it's "barely", BARELY!!
Oh, _very_ bad at running away from things! She shouldn’t have gone to the school where she learned that.
Oh the infamous "Prometheus school of running away from things", love it
I was waiting for him to say exactly this!
*ding*
CinemaSins references are tight.
I was wondering whether he'd find a way to reference that.😆
"So you say, the geologist gets lost in a cave?" - "He does, sir!" - "The one he just mapped with his cool mapping equipment?" - "One and the same!" - "And the biologist is scared of a dead alien body?" - "He basically runs away screaming!" - "But he tries to pet an unknown alien organism, because it looks cute?" - "Alive and cute, like a cobra!" - "It resembles a dangerous, venomous snake?" - "In total attack mode!" - "A very uneducated biologist." - "He dies." - "That is the crew for the trillion dollar expedition?" - "The best money can buy." - "Wow, wow, wow.... wow."
.
says it all, about this movie. A bunch of high school characters from a slasher movie,
would have made a smarter space-ship crew
That last part had me rolling...
The mission itself and the fancy useless mapping gadgets must've costed so much that all they could afford was the uneducated scientists.
I wanted this movie to be good so badly, but by the end of it I was so f*cking angry at how awful it was. You had the coolest idea from Alien to exploit, it hued so much potential, and it was all squandered... How can you setup so many things and not pay off anything at all?! It should have been called Blue Balls: The Movie. And yeah, how to discredit and destroy you're movie in 5 seconds: Write your characters a certain way, then 5 minutes later have them behave completely contradictary to how you wrote them as. A five years old could write more consistant characters! Come on! And don't get me started on the pitiful Alien Covenant... That movie should have be called How to Get Yourself Killed in an Horror Movie: The movie...
@@chrisperrien7055 yeah at least they bring flash lights
There was actually a scene of a young Guy Pearce on a 2020-something TED talk show, which was the only good thing in the movie so of course it’s only natural to delete it.
I honestly wish this comment wasn't so far down.
it was part of the viral marketing load. Will definitely be on youtube somewhere.
@@Milaaq302 It is, I found it looking for missing scenes to Covenant (the prequel-sequel, or so). It's frighteningly good.
Yeah, that was so cool......back when Ted talks were a thing.
@@charlie-obrien They still are a thing.
The third cousin reveal was the biggest twist in cinema history. It changes everything!
It's a Pepsi Twist!
It explains how the talentless hack still has a job
The cousin reveal was not the twist, the twist was that the cousin reveal WAS the twist!
@@thewildernessofmirrors3045 who are you talking about?
It was well foreshadowed by them looking exactly the same.
Didn’t know I needed a “prometheus school of running away from things “ origin story.
Jeremy from CinemaSins demanded it. :)
I like to think The Ariana Grande School of Diction is just across the road from it.
Yes! I finally understand now!
I've always been so confused about what this meant. This is the origin story I needed
Underrated comment!
"Why'd he do that?" "Oh, now that you mention it, I don't--I don't know." Literally describes the entire decision-making process of every character in this movie and Alien: Covenant.
Covenant is even more head-scratching.
The script was written during an 8 hour bender powered by vodka, whiskey and LSD. It made sense in the guy's head, at the time. How it made sense to producers and director (Ridley Scott!) is anybody's guess.
@@jmchez ridley scott just didn't want neil blomkamp playing with his toys.
I always thought the designers of the ship should have put a small door in it, as well as the huge loading bay door, must have been the guys who designed the Dark Star.
"oh it's something, I'm almost sure of it." Yeah... that sums it up nicely.
“Oh its something, im almost sure of it”. The best description yet.
Is it gonna be a big reveal later?
I don’t know why. But I love that line
@@lucaswold5327 yes.
Probably the nicest way anybody has ever described a looming box office catastrophe.
"well what is she going to eat"
"that's an off-screen problem."
could not stop laughing.
Apparently something recognized since colonial times isn't a thing. You know ships on the sea need food and water 😅
I thought about this the second i saw that scene back then lmao
@@wellstang3204 people have known that they needed food and water on boats since before colonial times... i'm not sure why you mentioned them
@@Rubiecat Because Americans think that history started with their founding, ie. during the colonial times.
@@zagreus5773It's just a common idiom. (1) the OP didn't say what you impute, (2) there are other colonies besides those in America, (3) America has more countries than USA, but you seem not to realize it, and (4) Americans don't believe that nonsense, it's just a strawman that people who hate us like to tell each other to rationalize their hatred. But it's interesting you needed to get so triggered about it. That kind of resentment often arises as a result of an inferiority complex.
"IT'S ALL CONNECTED!"
"Sure..."
Hollywood in a nutshell this decade.
DC: we need to take notes
@@scottjohnnyhelgemoaune2951 WRITE THAT DOWN!
WRITE THAT DOWN!
Like the characters in Lost, except it was never leading to anything
2:26 _"And meanwhile on the ship, Charlie is all sad and depressed, now."_
_"Oh, how come?"_
_"Because he was looking for a massive scientific breakthrough and all he got was a massive scientific breakthrough."_
lol.
I too, saw this in the video.
@@kewltricks Quite interesting🤔. I'll se if I do too🧐
Not like it's a common joke to reuse jokes from the video and slap something else on it to garner a laugh, entice us to listen to it again for additional insight, and a plethora of other valid reasons that can make it both annoying and useful😐
@@talphazero1036 It's a valid criticism because Charlie's motivation makes no sense. He's all sad and depressed because . . . . why, exactly? This is a huge discovery. What they've found will keep Earth scientists busy for decades.
"wat?"
“He was hoping for a massive scientific breakthrough but all he got was a massive scientific breakthrough.”
I have always thought that.
not only that, but he didnt even know for sure yet that the aliens were all dead. He went all pouty the moment they entered orbit and ONLY discovered the first physical proof of alien life, which will have been one of the most important discoveries in human history. But yeah, total bummer
and he totally had seen David punting a finger in his drink and literally just takes it
-"So you have a aliens movie for me?"
-"No sir i do"
-"Wut?"
-"Exactly sir"
Lmfao
"Yesn't"
Yes sir I don’t
Sometimes I watch a movie that I enjoy so much I don’t really notice fallacies or inconsistencies. This is not one of those movies.
Is this a movie you enjoy solely because of its fallacies and inconsistences?
@@flatebo1 actually for me, this is true.
I grew up enjoying aliens.
I was hoping this wouldn't be SO detailed to ruin it. Prometheus such also.
They were so crazy awkward that it became it's own movie. I didnt even really think about the connection. So I was able to enjoy jt
@@agonleed3841 agreed
I can honestly do it for most movies, but this one I couldn't. I just couldn't.
"So did they all have to die?"
"No it's because the movie is almost over and you know, may as well."
LOL LOL LOL
... LOL
The amount of questions producer guy asks makes me sometimes question his love for money.
Yeah, it's the only thing that makes this unrealistic. In reality it would go more like...
"So you have a sequel, prequel or spinoff for me?"
"Sir sir, I do-"
"Boom! Here's your check, money ain't tight!" And then producer guy would snort a line of coke off some poor actress trying to get her break in Hollywood.
Maybe he gave up on wanting to buy Canada?
@@antiochus87 Sometimes is TIGHT
its all an elaborate ruse.......
Observable Observer That's literally the joke. Unlike the average Hollywood producer, this one is knowledgeable and asks pointed questions. But he really doesn't care about any of the answers that the screenwriter guy provides. Hence he uses phrases like "that works", "fair enough", "let me get off that thing" (SG's back). He'll approve anything as long as he sees commercial value. This pitch meeting is basically an amusement for him.
"Oh so they all have to die then?"
"Not really, but it's the end of the movie so might as well."
lmaooooooo
Prometheus: the movie you make when you don’t have an idea and just don’t want anyone else touching your franchise
After many directors have done ALL the touching...only one of them good.
RIP Aliens 2
... by driving said franchise into a bus full of nuns, an orphanage, a petting zoo and off a cliff that is conveniently above the heart of an active volcano.
Yup. Seems to be about what happened, yeah.
@@SoulSoundMuisc 🤣😂🤣😂👏🏻
@Balance of The hill not a worthy price to pay for a bad movie
Just watched the movie with Ryan’s alongside to help me understand what the hell the movie was. He didn’t disappoint. It’s probably the most professionally made bag of crap ever.
“I feel like making some type of Alien movie again I decided.” - Ridley Scott
Scott: So, this time, I want to make an android trilogy that's based in the Aliens universe. You know, like an Alien/Blade Runner crossover, but not really.
Investors: Uh... no. Who's going to watch an alien movie without the aliens? I mean, that's the whole schtick of the Alien franchise.
Scott: Oh. Okay. Cool. Cool. So, how about instead I make another alien movie?
Investors: Excellent! Tell us more!
Scott: It's gonna have three parts, and an android will play a big role in all three.
Is making another one of these movies without even the hint of coherent story going to be difficult?
@@chimpinaneckbrace No, super easy, barely an inconvenience.
@@Jaycee2828 Bamboozling investors is TIGHT!!
They never revealed what the space jockeys were before this. This wasnt a cash grab, it was an inevitable story that had to be told.
"They're the worse scientists you can imagine"
Alien Covenant Scientists: "Hold my beer...."
Visions returning of when they are Literally taking off helmets on an alien planet and then get alien spores in their faces....
why god why
@@j.m.w.5064 wow wow wow
@@j.m.w.5064 oh taking off your helmet in an unknown alien world so the movie can happen is TIGHT!
apparently theirs some novel explains that they were picked by the head of security or something because he didn't want any smart people that could ...threaten his position?!
im not sure i just read it on the trivia
@@dinocha0s 'I also have to make sure you get quarantined and I don't... After I got sprayed with blood'
"Terrifying genital space cobra" about sums up the whole picture.
Read this 0.45 seconds before it came up in the video
@@riptidemonzarc3103 Why were you reading instead of watching the video?
Pretty much sums up Giger's art.
😂😂😂
This movie is another example of characters being as intelligent as the people writing them.
"Twists that dont do anything are...TIGHT"
*love it.*
Yeah, that's the awful way that Lindelof writes.
just like the twists on We can be Heroes
@@KneelB4Bacon The dude is a disaster!
"We are talking prequel, sequel, spinoff?" - "Oh it's something, l´m almost sure of it"
*Killed me*
Killed the franchise too
"They all went to the Prometheus School of Running Away from Things?"
"The Prometheus School of Running Away from Things is TIGHT."
Rickon went to the Prometheus School of Running Away from Things.
* DING *
That's actually a Hollywood tradition.
@
Probably a real life tradition as well.
3:38 biggest twist with more logical implications in filming history
“Terrifying Genital Space Cobra” is the most metal-sounding musical concept album (later adapted into an off-Broadway stage production) that doesn’t exist, but should.
Let's make it happen 👏👏👏
@@michaellimbeck5671 I think Spinal Tap workshopped it.
@@darrenrobinson9041 Yeah they did!
I'm thinking more of a country line dance, sort of song...
"Are we doing flashbacks of him young or something?" "Not even, no."
Actually... 🤓
We do see Weiland younger on that 2023 TED talk.
I know it's not technically in the movie...
Also... I haven't seen Covenant, but I heard that Guy pearce reprises his role as Weyland (it's flashback so he's allowed to be young this time)
@@H3llb0und - Yes, you're right. There are several deleted scenes. All together I think they add up to approx. 20+ extra minutes of scenes that explains A LOT. Wish those scenes were kept in the final edit of the film because they do explain more on the character backgrounds and add extra information on the Engineers and other plot points.
I'm sure this is going to be a trend, casting hip 20-somethings as every old character just so they can reuse them for prequels. Ugh.
@@benvoliothefirst He was 40+ in the movie though
These new Alien movies depend on characters having 90s slasher movie levels of lack of common sense to make the plot happen.
It's actually insulting to an audience in my opinion
@@tturi2 Yeah, it's so bad. I'd be really curious where it went off the rails. Like, was there pressure from the studio to make it a generic CGI vehicle, or were the writers just that clueless about what made Alien good in the first place?
@@IanCaine4728 all of those options, like the fan made alien lore is 100x better than the billion dollar bs we get, because the fans are actually passionate about what they are making
@@tturi2 really insulting i feel the same !!ufff!! and there are those who claim its a intellectual movie!!!wow!!!
Best description I ever heard. The lack of professionalism the characters have is insanee, and we're talking about super trained best-in-the-field types of people
What is really sad, is that Prometheus could have been a good film if the writing and characters were not so awful....the music was there, the cinematic elements were great. I think Ridley tried to re-create the Alien "feel" (a sense of the mysterious unknown which fills the imagination) but he did it so badly, showing so many meaningless things that have no logic or possible answers.
Sad thing is they took out all the filmed scenes that made the movie better and make more sense!!! There were like 30 scenes cut from the movie.
So it could have been good if it wasn't bad. Gotcha.
@@mojebi3804 indeed, with some alterations.
The only lasting effect this film gave us is the Prometheus School of Running Away From Things, so I guess thats something
And that amazing soundtrack
*ding*
CinemaSins is TIGHT!!
@@MiniLemmy I prefer wins
@@MiniLemmy CinemaSins WAS Tight, but then they went WOKE
"Unclear"
"So there's going to be a big reveal later?"
"No"
😂
I love how it shows two of your comments with exactly 6min between them.
So I’m just here to let you know!
Prometheus in a nutshell
That could be a new catchphrase for pitch meeting
The great casting for this movie just couldn't carry the plot inconsistencies.
There was a plot?
Nor could the great visuals. I will say they made the movie worth watching, though.
@@Syberz That was the first thing that popped into my head. I watched the whole movie and at the end I couldn't tell you what it was about.
Hey, Just Some Guy with/without a Mustache. Are you just one guy, or are you some kind of cult?
@@tsrav5 either multiple people on one account or just one guy
“Oh so it’s gonna be like a big reveal later?”
“No.”
Surprised this hasn’t made it into more pitch meetings lol
"Oh it's something, I'm almost sure of it" That might have been the exact phrase uttered when this movie was being made.
It doesn't even matter at this point if I've seen the movie, I'm watching the pitch meeting either way 🤷♀️
Sometimes it's better to avoid the movie and just watch the Pitch Meeting, as in this case.
@@Cinnder congratulations your wrong.
It was significantly better than the movie.
@@Cinnder 100% - saves me a lot of time tbh
@@Cinnder Seriously. This turd isn't worth anyone's time. Unless maybe they watch it with the sound off. It's beautifully shot.
"Oh very bad at running away from things"
There's a school for that.
is it a french school? do they teach parkour? the martial art of running away :D
ding
It's like all UA-cam channels exist in the same universe
@Renaldo Matadeen Black Widow graduated in 2012
"The Prometheus School of Running Away"
What suddenly occurs to me is how perfectly you are able to portray 2 really different characters consistently. Great acting dude...dudes? There is only one of you...right?
"Isn't that right... 3rd cousin?"
I don't see it
Yeah i mean one of them has glasses
Also they're dressed completely different from one another.
@Bryce idk it explains why producer guy keeps making the movie pitch guy pitches
@@needacuppa1898 Hollywood nepotism. Being the non-identical 3rd cousin of an exec is the only reason he's had more than a hundred terrible movies greenlit
Plot double twist: They are actually 2nd cousins once removed.
I don't believe that. Surely there would be some family resemblance in that case.
Stop with the spoilers!!
@@ScarlettMedia
In fact, he did a triple twist while doing the backflip, and not only saved the day but also got perfect 10s from the judges.
@@timopper5488 Whoops!
I thought the producer guy could be a different person for each movie studio that appears on the door, and screenwriter guy is almost always a different person.
Or they could always be the same people.
I think it would be awesome to do Classic Film Pitch Meetings, for movies like "Casablanca," "Citizen Kane," etc. He could do them in period clothes, with that Mid-Atlantic dialect, or whatever it's called. Could be fun.
Yes, I’m waiting for the pitch for 2001 :)
He’s done this for at least one movie, maybe a few. Watch the one for Dumbo.
With Smith-Corona typewriters in the background.
It doesn’t work very well with good movies
@@MegaXavi999 worked just fine with Coraline.
2:40 "But also he's just kinda doin stuff" unironically a great villain cuz his motives are just unhinged curiosity
I've been waiting for a Prometheus Pitch Meeting, ever since I discovered the Pitch Meeting videos! It did not disappoint me (contrary to Prometheus)
My thought exactly
For me it was Chappie. The whole time I was watching it I was thinking "There better be a pitch meeting so I didn't completely waste my time."
I mean, it's called the "Prometheus School of Running Away From Things" for a reason, after all.
Apparently you can only move laterally if you fall down and roll.
I finally understand that reference now!
Well, one thing is for sure: I liked this video more than Prometheus. Much, much more.
I love how this simple format never gets old :D
One of those guys that touched the snake, i believe said something earlier in the movie about not touching things....
And after being scared about whoknowswhat, he wasn't even slightly scared by the cock cobra.
@@KravMagoo you loose the chance there to call it the cockbra
@@djAstraim Actually, I dropped the ball(s) by not calling it a cockatrice. 🐍
"Is it a sequel, prequel, or reboot?"
"Yeah"
Aaaaa yes
Simpson’s Movie pitch meeting
It's... Something
I feel reboot is the most accurate?
@@nicmartin1806 No. It's a prequel. Simple as that. I don't understand that part of the video.
Ryan and his 3rd cousin doing a mystery science theater 3000 movie screening would be tight.
4:42 PROMETHEUS school of running away from things 🤣
Was gonna make the same comment myself!
Referencing other UA-camrs is TIGHT!
@@christianhardtofind6349 Actually it's super easy, barely an inconvenience
David is an android that’s “just kinda doin’ stuff” is my favorite description of that character ever.
It's surprisingly multi-purpose.
Third cousins?
The Ryanverse has been blown wide open.
You should see the close relatives, the valley is uncanny
@@johnyossarian1135 No wonder one has glasses
This changes everything!
We need a Mars-Attacks pitch meeting.
This changes everything. Now we can't ship them. Except if they're from Alabama.
Ryan George is a national treasure. These videos are so consistently hilarious.
I'm rewatching them all and having a blast again.
I can't get over how funny and "spot-on" these 'Pitch Meetings' are!!
"The Prometheus School of Running Away from Things"
Prometheus School of Running Away from Things is tight.
Royalties are due.
I realized when she was running away from the spaceship that this movie was Prometheus, Huh neat
Haha beat me to it.
Ding!
"So, why did we make this movie, like at all?"
"Unclear."
Because MONEY
@@vsratoslava ooooohhhhh, money is TIGHT
Wow, wow, wow...wow
We didn’t sir! Nothing really happened.
This was SO much more entertaining than the actual movie!
3:00 Wow wow woo what? Ugh...
That one made me chuckle
Brings me back to the OG Honest Trailer that introduced the “Prometheus School of Running Away from Things”
"Wait why?"
"Because!"
"Okay!"
Works every time for 3rd cousins!
Welcome to the Prometheus school of running away.
I heard a tiny "ding" when you said that. Amazing.
from things.
Referencing other UA-camrs is tight! I thought the same thing
It's cool how you guys make this oblique reference and knowingly nod without having to name it, as wisened old fishermen in the Sea of UA-cam. ITS CINEMASINS, I UNDERSTOOD THAT REFERENCE!
@@Tomsfilipsons And yet, all but one failed to notice that he didn't even get his reference right. How hard is it to reference things? Super easy, barely.
"Wow, wow, wow, w-ughh"
LOL 😆
Ryan George is pretty much the only thing outside of cute animal videos that keep the lights on at UA-cam HQ
"They think aliens are cute now so they die."
I hate it when that happens.
It's happened to me twice now
Like...EVERY time.
That’s the biggest plot twist in the movie!
I tried petting Experiment 626, didn’t end well....
A story as old as time itself
*It’s something I’m almost sure of it.*
The perfect way to describe this movie.
The funniest part is; the joke of them being 3rd cousins actually holds more plot relevance to the series of Pitch Meeting than the relation reveal in Prometheus.
'I don't know' and how it's delivered makes me laugh every time
It was downright comedy by the end. The main woman literally had a cesarean and then was immediately running and jumping.
Literally no one cared she gave birth to an alien fetus
Running and jumping much like Caesar, in his day!
@@janesmith8603 I know the people chasing her just like gave up or something leaving her to abort the alien baby on her own
You're making your point looking at the medicine from 2020.
@@joaoc556 I'm pretty sure carrying an alien life form and then performing a c-section on yourself is going to preclude you from running and jumping for a while, regardless of the century.
"What if there's like alien viruses in the air or something?" Dude, no spoilers for the sequel! XD
Alien Covenant: Hold my entire space suit.
@@TheHylden Literally XD
"why didnt this movie make any sense?"
"unclear".
That works!
Oh, unclear things are tight!
I need you to get ALL the way off of my back about movies that don’t make sense....
@@MiniLemmy well let me go ahead and get off that thing.
Wow wow wow wow
For me, part of the horror of the original Alien was that there were so many questions: what were they? Where did they come from? But the scary part was that the universe is so vast, so old, so much more immense than humanity can ever be, that it doesn't care about our questions. We don't deserve answers because, ultimately, in the face of the black, cold, ageless cosmos, we are insignificant. And there are beings out there utterly beyond our comprehension, to which we are just food.
The new batch of movies took that totally away, and made it all about *us.* Like, humans have this special place in the scheme of the universe. I really feel that completely diminished the Aliens' power.
Well said, and I agree %100.
Great comment
I felt like Ridley Scott was saying it was all about him, rather than all the other creators who could justly lay claim to the Alien legend: Dan O'Bannon, H.R. Giger, James Cameron etc.
Prometheus is basically a rip off of Alien vs Predator without the Alien and Predator.
But not really.
Except there IS an alien in it...
It’s funny you say that because I’ve always considered AVP a rip-off of Ghostbusters, just without the ghosts or the busting.
There’s def a lot of similarities between the two films
But what about the illustrated man?
THEY WERE THIRD COUSINS THE ENTIRE TIME?!?!?
This changes everything!
Only 20th century fox producer guy! :)
@@nordh1980 all the producer guys and screenwriter guys are the same guys.
"Hey, do you have any idea how many of these plot points in the script can be summarized as 'unclear'?"
"Unclear!"
"Oh, okay!"
«Fantastic!»
“What is she going to eat?”, was my first, and then constant thought, the first time I watched the film and got to that scene. I liked that they were going exploring and looking for engineers. But I also could not get beyond that.
Watched "Alien" on tv last night, gotta be my favorite movie of all time. I was too young to see it in theaters but saw it on late-night HBO when I was eleven - scared the crap outta me. I longed all these years for a Ridley Scott return to the franchise, which might be the most profound disappointment in my life.
As Bladerunner 2049 was for me.
These movies really have no connection. If you come into this movie expecting aliens and constant action then you’re gonna be disappointed.
alien wouldn't survive the pitch meeting treatment...
@@sachemofboston3649 Like Alien was an action movie, right? Sure its sequel did, but that was NOT directed by Ridley, so...
@@deborahhanna9126 Bladerunner 2049 was great
"What's the black glue?" "Unclear" I must say, that was subtle yet so damn clever, I love your attention to detail with the script
Black goo. It’s a thing. Look it up
"so it's all connected?!" "surrrre....." LMAO the "sure" got me good
I like when the producer guy interrupts the pitch guy with something important and the pitch guy just ignores it and moves on.
“Oh, for a reveal later?”
“No.”
Me when i See a pitch meeting in my subscriptions:
*visible happines*
This might be my favorite pitch meeting. Couldn’t stop laughing. So many “unclear” remarks, but it was perfect. Well done Ryan
They're third cousins!?!? This whole time!?!? Pitch meeting makes so much more sense now!!!
Now we know why Producer Guy is so forgiving of Writer Guy's HUGE plot holes!!
Ah, the Prometheus School of Running Away From Things... Good times.
A fellow cinemasins enjoyer
That's the thing from that video series! yeahyeahyeah! :D