Russell Wilson, let Justin Fields sit needs to sit and learn, but the problem is is that they don’t have enough on the offensive end to compete within their own division on a consistent basis. They’re putting so much pressure on that defense to make plays. It’s not even funny they need to get at least another receiverthat could take the top off of a defense and their runner back room needs a complete overhaul.
I though this was true and had been saying it but then i remembered TJs TD vs the chiefs in the first quarter, kinda a forgtten play and it was like 7-35 after that so.
@@jayg1438well Allen still hasn't been to a championship game. Dude can only win in the Wild Card round. It's funny because a couple years ago the announcers called him "Mr January" as if he'd actually ever been successful.
Cause we haven't had the killer Bs, since. And if you remember correctly, that season we should've beat the pats cause jones touchdown was wrongfully called back, which would've given them home field advantage and I 100% believe we would've won and went to the Super Bowl that year. But I knew damn well that was our last chance for a long time.
*Cause they’re black. No other reason to compare n what about these other coaches who haven’t done shit? Where’s the energy for them or darnold or herbert? Y’all think him bein black is the only reason he’s liked n I think thats also the same reason he disliked.. n that comparison alone proved that..*
@@sloppnbiscuiitz ok, what about white Rick Carlisle? won 1 chip with the mavs in 2011, decidedly mid before and after, and he is definitely a "player's coach" or white Jim Leyland? won 1 WS, was barely a .500 manager but players loved him, even Barry Bonds (who was notoriously prickly) loved playing for Leyland because behind closed doors he let Barry do whatever he wanted. both guys coached for 20+ years, one ring and middling success (other than the ring)
As a huge Steelers fan (since 2011), I am so over this every single season. I seriously expect it every year. My friends at college kept telling me: “Dude, you guys are 9-3, you guys are legit.” I told them every single week. 10-7, first round exit. Every week I told them. It is exactly what ended up happening. I have 0 faith in this team. This is seriously just the worst.
Philly fan here, my dad is a Steelers fan so I always watched the Steelers secondly. There has been so much talent around that team consistently since at least 2015 (excluding years with Kenny Pickett) with WR QB and defense. There is almost 0 reason as to why that team shouldn’t be at least heading to a championship every year. Tomlin has to go
Have you seen your team win a Super Bowl in your lifetime? Congratulations, you are in a position 90% of football fans will never know. I hope they fire Tomlin and then get their first below .500 season in almost 20 years. Ungrateful fuck.
Have you seen your team win a superbowl in your lifetime? Congratulations, you have a feeling and a memory 90% of football fans will never know. I hope if they actually do have the audacity to fire Tomlin that they get their first below .500 season in almost 20 years. Would be gold. You think things are bad now? Wait until your team is so bad they start getting accused of tanking, lol. “This is seriously just the worst” This is a “seriously” out of touch take… guess 18 seasons of winning football will do that to a fan base.
Mike Tomlin is just NFL Doc Rivers at this point. What is the point of going positive every year if you lose in the first round of playoffs? Do you know the definition of Insanity?
@@IchigoKurosaki0715 Bills never won anything yet Doc rivers is still getting hired because a championship he won back in 2008 and everytime he gets in the playoffs he consistently loses terribly
As a Ravens fan I think Tomlin ia the only reason the steelers haven't missed the play-offs 5 years in a row.... IK one and does are frustrating but I think Pittsburg fans are in for a rude awakening if they let him go
I respectfully disagree. I think their consistency comes from the organizational structure and front office. He has kept them afloat, sure, but I think they could benefit tremendously from a coaching change.
That’s not a good excuse not to get rid of him, and to act like this roster isn’t good and that no other coach can coach the Steelers is crazy. Mike Tomlin is not the only good coach in the league… it’s time for a change in order to go from good to great you need to take a risk. You need to take a step back and take a look around before you can take multiple steps forward
So many Steelers fans act like Tomlin is blameless, it blows my mind. Yes not every loss is entirely his fault, but when the last 6 straight playoff games are over at half time for a supposed "defensive guru" with the highest paid defense in the league is unacceptable. it's fine to not win the superbowl, that's hard, but when you can't even look competitive in any playoff game then it's a problem
@@MultiBearsfan54how about you suck for a year or 2 to try and get some good draft capital, get a good Qb and maybe build something. While it is impressive to never have a losing record in 18 seasons, it’s still incredibly pointless if you’re just going to get steamrolled in the first round of the playoffs and since you had that barely over .500 record then it just keeps you at mediocrity.
@@bafoonerysamurai6911 I wish my team hasn’t had a losing season since 2003, with or without the SBs and CC’s the Steelers have gotten. When their team goes from being 4-2 to 5-12 people will be begging for those one and done playoff seasons lol. Let’s be honest, high draft picks can change a team, but let’s not forget free agents and shit. You can absolutely still pick up elite players outside the draft.
@@MultiBearsfan54 “what if it gets worse?” Is just a crappy mediocre mindset to have… Why stick with the “safe” option if that safe option has shown no ability to create a championship caliber team? Making a move sets a direction… Maybe the Steelers fall apart and they get their choice at a top QB prospect in the draft… Maybe the team stays the course or even gets better and the new management gets aggressive to trade for their guy… Either way it’s better than being an uncompetitive 9 win team who sneaks by because of their ability to beat mid or bad teams There’s nothing worse than being mid… If you’re bad you get picks and the ability to build something, if you’re good to great you’re championship caliber or a move away… If you’re mid you’re where the Steelers are; a laugh riot that no one takes seriously or talks about unless it’s in relation to their gross wasting of TJ Watt, Cam Heyward and Minkah Fitzpatrick… Is that really better than accepting a rebuild?
The Steelers have been doing the same song and dance for 5 years now. They have mid to below average QB play with a great defense that’s able to carry them to a barely above .500 record or gets them barely into the playoffs where they get blasted in the wildcard round. Where they lose to a better a team or lose to a better team with an elite QB highlighting the glaring difference between their QB and their opponents QB. They are not going far into the playoffs until they get QB that can actually hang with the superhuman AFC QB’s of Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar, and Burrow
@@Anonymous0.019 exactly. So, I say we should draft one of the best talents at the position available, not just because it’s a position of need. QB play is gonna depend on receivers getting open and lineman blocking. We invested a lot into lineman, so we should bolster our wide receiver room with guys that can run routes and get separation. Running back too
@@Anonymous0.019 I agree as well should’ve also mentioned that in my earlier comment. It feels like the Steelers are years behind where the current NFL landscape is when it comes to QB and WR. They need to go draft Luther Burden if he’s somehow available at their pick or draft Emeka Egbuka which is the more realistic option. In order to pair someone next to George Pickens than they can go give the ball to and that can make splash plays
@@fortniteburger8747 While Burrow’s team couldn’t hang mainly their defense Burrow just had the best season of his career and is only at the start of his prime which the Steelers have to deal with him for the next 10+ years
I was absolutely stunned to realize that TJ Watt is 30 damn years old. A player that great having 0 playoff wins by his 30 year old season is absolutely astounding.
Mediocrity isn't rewarded or fixed- it's just accepted. If the Steelers want out of this rut, I think it'll require some kind of major leadership change.
During the prime Killer B era (Big Ben, AB, Bell, & Boswell) our offense would always miss one of these players. Le’veon got hurt and missed the majority of the 2015 season and tail end of the 2016 season. The concussion that has gifted us with CTESPN came in the 2015 playoffs also left us without AB for the next game against the Broncos. Then Bell holds out and does nothing with the Jets, Ben rants on a radio show and AB dips out (but not quite like his retirement announcement) and that’s the end of an era circa 2018. Another point is that many of the draft picks used between 2018 and 2022 have not been guys and most of the guys are out of the league or bounced around different practice squads. What we need to do better at (and the 2023 and 2024 drafts give me hope) is identifying talent wherever we are picking. We got TJ with the 30th overall, so it’s not impossible. But what I don’t like is going for the nepotism picks (Porter, Hayward, Watt, Herbig, Edmunds). Like who thought Connor Hayward, who is a 6’0” Tight End was a deserving pick. On the other hand, not a lot talent existed in the 2022 draft anyway.
@ well if we look at the pro-bowl and all-pro selections, it was pretty consistent up until 2020. 2021 and onwards it’s only been TJ, Cam, and Minkah that’s gotten the nod (generally, Miles Killebrew and Najee got kudos at times too). So, I think this furthers my point that not drafting/signing replacements to players like Maurkice Pouncey, David DeCastro, and truly having superstar wideouts to replace AB have cost us these games when it matters. And it’s not from lack of trying but sometimes this team sticks with players too long just to do their due diligence and by the time they make a decision the price has been paid and it’s a winning season in the process haha.
@@BobBob-eb4io You’re correct. And that’s why I didn’t say he was a mistake. But my point is, did we draft him because he was the best OLB available or because we just signed his older bro Nate that very same offseason?
@Jland221 i wasn't disagreeing with your point i just felt it needed to be said when listed with those other guys.i probably should of made that more clear in my original comment.
Bringing in Aaron Rodgers would be Tomlin literally waiving the white flag and basically begging the Rooney’s to fire him. At minimum, it’d make Pat McAfee and his crew jizz all over their studio
@@russellseilhamer4552 Their D alone will make sure that doesn't happen. If they want to go that route then they need to start the trading now and being with Watt.
@@russellseilhamer4552that might be the only benefit of Rodgers…unless Pickens returns and they have two locker room cancers and Aaron can get George hooked on ayahuasca then that’s another benefit
I found it interesting how the Steelers ended the season playing four-straight games not played on a Sunday (Saturday, Wednesday, Saturday, Saturday). I wonder if that has ever happened before.
The issue also the Steelers always want to be in the playoffs. Then forget to develop their qb to set them up for success for years to come. A year of rebuilding has to happen to develop a offense.
Big Ben is a Hall of Fame quarterback. It takes time to get a generational quarterback like he was on a roster. It’s just that simple Ben Rothenburger is gonna walk into the Hall of Fame, but the main problem is the lack of offensive weapons to compete within their own division on a consistent basis
@@flyguy7825 thing is the steelers have to wait until a draft class will be heavy with QB’s. The steelers don’t draft high so trading up us slim because its outside the norm for them.
My thing is since 2020, the start of the new decade. Pittsburgh has changed QB multiple times, changed general manager changed Defensive Coordinators, changed Offensive Coordinators, changed Offensive and defensive players. The only constant factor these past 5 seasons has been Mike Tomlin being the head coach in Pittsburgh. Yet despite all these changes, the result every year in Pittsburgh is the same which is either a 9 or 10 win season with a wildcard playoff lose or not making the playoffs. I don’t understand people can look at all these changes on the team, see the HC position, Mike Tomlin, is the only thing that hasn’t changed and say he isn’t the problem or that it would be a mistake for Pittsburgh to move off of him. He’s been the only thing that has been the same the past 5 years and the team’s results have been the same.
It’s not been an issue that’s only gone on the last 5 years, it’s been one since their last SB appearance. Every season there’s always a massive hole somewhere due to bad coaching hire and overpaid underperforming contracts. We usually keep very subpar coordinators for way too long and try to run schemes that just don’t adapt to today’s game. Once we lost Big Ben, who was carrying the team offensively from his magician type play style, the wheels finally came off and Tomlin has been exposed as a great developer of talent/recruiter but an awful schemer/play caller. He’s been the issue for a long time and the first sign of that was the 2017 playoff loss to Blake Bortles and the Jags.
@@twindragon5668So, let’s say we move on from Tomlin (I’m not opposed to it but the owner isn’t budging). What’s the next move? Is it the rest of the coaching staff, changing players at key positions (I’ve seen Minkah, TJ, and Pickens floated around for trades), or something else? And what record/outcome do you foresee for 2025 if we did any drastic changes?
@ my biggest gripe on the Tomlin debate is people not giving enough credit to Ben and too much to Tomlin. When he has Ben for 15+ years he didn’t need to think or worry about the offense as OC didn’t matter with a QB like Ben. And during that stretch of the 2010s it always felt like when it would come playoff time, Ben would have to be Superman every game as Tomlin’s defense wouldn’t show up. I’m not saying Tomlin wasn’t once a legendary defensive mind, but I don’t think people give enough credit to the fact that at the start and majority of his career he had Ben on offense and defensive legends that were drafted and developed by Bill Cowher.
@ players like them could be moved too as if Mike Tomlin were to go, a new culture and house would be brought in entirely. Losing Tomlin and some of the star players in Pittsburgh would feel devastating at first and likely lead to some awful first years at first, but I think that would be much preferable in the long haul as going 9-7-1, 9-8, 10-7, 10-7 ends us up being just good enough to get in but not good enough to compete making drafting generational players to help the team, like QB or WR, incredibly difficult since we’ll always land in the 20s and never high enough to get game changer players. I trust the front office’s ability to draft good players, but I don’t trust Tomlin’s ability to develop QBs or coach discipline.
Wanna know how cursed this team is, me and my buddies did a madden career with them in madden 24 and got fired in 2030 after putting together the best roster and getting 1 playoff winc
Let’s not forget that Ravens fans wanted John Harbaugh gone WITH Joe Flacco, and then when Lamar asked for all that money the fans said let him walk, and then when Justin Tucker was having a bad string of games they wanted to put him out… now they are 2 games away from the Super Bowl with Lamar, and Harbaugh, and Tucker, and it’s all gravy 🤷♂️ Maybe we should move on from Tomlin, maybe we shouldn’t, but fans be so quick to say fire somebody as if it’s just an abundance of successful coaches and players just out there, ripe for the picking that will lead us to the promised land in a single season
My favorite thing about Mike Tomlin offenses is watching players like Jaylen Warren, Roman Wilson, and Calvin Austin wither away and be either unused or only allowed to see the field in situations that do not take advantage of their strengths at all. And then players like Najee Harris and George Pickens be force fed the ball, when they have underperformed their entire careers. Kind of like the Fields/Wilson dilemma. Not only does it seem like Tomlin has no idea how to judge offensive talent, it almost seems like he actively is the biggest help for other teams defenses when it comes to stopping their offenses.
Maybe it is time to change HCs. But if they do, Pittsburgh will have to endure at least one bad losing season I think. Pittsburgh lacks talent on the offensive end. No QB, the o-line isn't the best, and skill positions aren't great either. I believe Mike Tomlin is making the most of the talent that the team does have but the fact of the matter is that team just doesn't have great talent.
Y’all said the same thing about Bill Cowher right he didn’t win a Super Bowl to his last two years of coaching the Rooneys are doing it correctly. They understand that Mike Tomlin is doing the best with what he has to work with. It’s the roster that needs to get better, especially on the offensive end, he just doesn’t have the talent to compete on the offensive side
@@nicholasfarrell5981 Yep, you heard that right. Bill Austin in 1968 was the last Steelers coach to be fired and it’s crazy to think there have only been 3 HCs since the 1970 merger 🤯🤯
It’s tough being a Steeler fan man. Not bad enough to get in front of the first round of the draft, but not good enough to win a playoff game. Flat out purgatory.
1) I'll be surprised if Mr. Tomlin hits the 20 year mark wth Pittsburgh. 2) At this point, Russell Wilson will be inconsistent no matter where he goes.
There’s only two ways I could see Tomlin getting fired: 1. They run it back next season and they finish with 4-6 wins (not enough to really tank) and the dysfunction in the locker room gets worse or 2. They don’t bring back Russ or Fields but instead bring in…Aaron Rodgers (at that point, I’d be convinced Tomlin’s just begging to be fired)
They haven’t drafted in the top 10 in forever. They win every single freaking year with teams that they shouldnt. Pittsburgh fans are the most spoiled rotten unappreciative brats in the world. How dense can you idiots be not to realize that he’s winning and rebuilding at the same time while making the playoffs. That’s unheard of. Honestly you’re all so pathetic
Muth would be like a TE3 on the Ravens and Steelers fans act like hes Gronk sometimes i swear. He has fumbled or dropped passes at the most critical points in games on multiple occasions. The Year we tied the Lions, Muth fumbled in Overtime pretty close to field goal range, and everyone blamed Rudolph for some reason
As a steelers fan i think a couple of 4-12 seasons is exactly what they need...in order to commit to a rebuild they need to start getting some draft picks...17 years without a losing season translates to 17 years without a good draft pick
@JawaPenguin16 ...exactly...which is why a losing season is needed...we get a draft pick...AND we get rid of Mike Tomlin...have a losing season or 2 is a win win senarior
@JawaPenguin16 idk what poverty franchise you belong to...but around here? We're used to winning superbowls...and we waste year after year doing "well" in the regular season just to lose in the first round...and at least a team with a losing season gets a draft pick going into the offseason...but not us. We go home WITHOUT a draft pick...we waste another year of hall of fame prime year talent and get nothing to show for it. If we have that...we should be doing something with it
If some white coach had 17 years consecutively of winning seasons and one SuperBowl, You would say they were objectively one of the best coaches in the league
Random point…Have a friend in PGH who says baseball doesn’t start there until the All-Star break in July. The Pirates who looked good, solid, or markedly improved from April-June will suddenly collapse and finish well below .500. The Steelers have evolved into the NFL version of their Pirates…solid from Aug-Oct, but collapse come Nov and finish around .500.
I say roll with Justin Fields next season to at least see what you have with him under center, because if not then this team needs to have a losing season. Mike Tomlin and the Rooneys need a serious wake up call, because sleep walking into 9-10 win seasons and first round playoff exits clearly isn't getting the message through to them.
The Steelers are in a unenviable position that I fully understand as a Seahawks fan who watched much of the later Pete Carroll era. Which is a team that is coached "too well" so they never bottom out, and wins games in the regular season, but effectively stopped winning the all important postseason games. The coordinators change but the results are the same. And ownership doesn't want to move off because winning implies something is continually done right even if the symptoms of doing things wrong or "incorrect" are all there. The reality is the Steelers are becoming closer to the Marvin Lewis in the postseason then fans are comfortable with and with an organization that is willing to weather media storms of the past that may not change anytime soon. The only thing the Steelers accomplished this year is depleting another year of their stars primes and I very much understand the frustration of those fans to see these players feel this lack of success.
Tomlin has 8 playoff wins in his career, 11 losses, 2 Super Bowl appearances in which he’s 1-1, and has been through a plethora of talent and coordinators in 18 years as head coach. (He’s never produced another head coach or coordinator from his coaching tree.) Meanwhile, Sean McVay in 8 years is 8-4 (as i’m writing this), with the same super bowl record as him while being a coach and coordinator producing machine. McVay is a better coach all time than Mike Tomlin.
I think the way the Ravens ran through the Steelers, let me be emphatic, they ran THROUGH the Steelers, is all the evidence you need that change has to happen. The team is not responding or progressing with Tomlin anymore. Yes he has gotten less than ideal rosters to the playoffs. He has ability to turn around a program I strongly believe but his message is not registering anymore in Pittsburgh. The Steelers have to roll the dice on taking a step back potentially for a bit if they ever want to get beyond one and done in playoffs every year.
People forget never having a losing season while never winning a playoff game can do more harm than good. Just means you're consistently missing out on the top 10 of the draft, much less the top 15. Consistently picking 20 through 25 you're gonna have to have insane scouting.
Bengal fan here. Nothing but respect for Tomlin. When he has talent, there SB competitor's. When there low on talent, he wins 10 games. Ill take him to coach Burrow for 10 years any day over Zac Taylor. You are spoiled from success Steelers. ...and even in defeat belive me, the steelers will be fine.
Aside from Tomlin’s message mostly becoming stale in the locker room, the end of the Kevin Colbert tenure is turning out to be a huge issue. He really set the team back with his poor roster management/first round drafting in his final seasons. His last 6 first round picks were Artie Burns, TJ (home run), Terrell Edmunds, Devin Bush, Najee (good player, not first round imo), & Kenny Pickett for reference.
Great vid. I'm a Vikes fan as well brother and i feel the steelers know our pain. While we've certainly have had better qb play in recent years nothing changes when it comes to post season disappointment.
I genuinely believe we would be talking about Mike Tomlin in the same vein as Mike McCarthy if it wasn't for the fact that he hasn't had a losing season.
My local sports radio talker calls a similar situation in sports Basketball Hell. Only good enough to make the playoffs and be a first round out and not bad enough to land a high draft (lottery) pick to get a true difference maker or force regime change.
The steelers havent looked like a playoff threat team since Ben left (except midseason this year?), and yet they still win a lot. They very well might have been the 2nd Browns without him
I think Art Rooney 2 is the biggest issue with the team. He doesnt let the Steelers into the 21st century. They cant fire coaches mid season if they suck, they have to let their contracts expire. When there is an opening, you can't pay money to bring in top talent, you have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for whomever is available. We're constantly hiring has-beens and fired coaches instead of anyone up and coming and when we did get a guy like Flores, it was for a cheap one-year assistant job, and we lost him to Minnesota because we already had a DC and couldn't afford Flores. There is something to be said about the playoff issues and Tomlin, but i do think he's dragging bad teams to the playoffs, not fumbling good teams. Outside of the Browns loss, which is inexcusable, we havent ever really been a good team when we've made the playoffs. Coincidentally, the last playoff game we won, was the year before Art Rooney Jr took over as owner.
As a Ravens fan, I think the Steelers' best option for QB next year is to let Russ go, bring Justin Fields back as 'the guy' and see what you have in him, and bring in a solid veteran backup like a Joe Flacco behind Fields. Either Fields proves he's 'the guy' and you focus on putting players around him, or he proves he's not 'the guy', tanking the 2025 season, but you end up with a high enough pick in the 2026 draft, which has a good QB class, to then go and get 'the guy'.
Tomlin is a player coach, yet he has a track record of unruly players. He hasn't produced any real skilled coordinators either, and his drafting history is shotty. As a non-stealer fan, I don't think he does anything really well, and IMO, he's just an okay to above average coach.
Unless you want to give Dan Campbell credit for Ben Johnson being as good as he is. Don't put blame on Tomlin for the owners not hiring better staff for him to work with.
@JawaPenguin16 All I'm saying is that great coaches produce more good coaches. Tomlin just hasn't. If you have trash coordinators for over a decade, I'm going to start to blame you cause there is really only one consistency. Also, if you're not going to call plays, like I believe Tomlin doesn't, a good coach needs to make sure the guy who is calling plays is the right guy. Also, I don't give Campbell credit cause Ben Johson had been on the lions staff pre-Campbell.
Long time no see! It's Mike C. I fell off quite a bit as a fan of your channel, as life was getting too real offline. That being said this video is so true, the Steelers are stuck in such an awful spot as far as winning too much but definitely not enough. And I knew their playoff success had been awful in the day decade and a half but damn.. Anyways I miss your channel and hope all is well with you bro! I got a ton of your content to binge! Keep up the good work as always, and have an epic day!
@FootballAnalysis1 that means a lot! Things have been going pretty decent considered the shiet I've been going through. Thanks for always being the coolest content creator in terms of being relatable. And thanks for making the best videos for us fans to escape reality into. You truly have a gift and an ability to create such beautiful art in the form of NFL videos. Sucks the Colts didn't even make the playoffs, and I was sad to see the Vikings go, my preseason prediction that darnold would pay resurgent was true, I wish he and the Vikings could've at least made it to this weekend before elimination
I’ve said this to people and they think that Mike is too valuable to give up. I will say it time and time again, it’s not like they are picking from the best of the best, they’re picking from pretty much an average position in the draft and the team isn’t improving because they miss out on top picks. A bad season is hard but can turn around if the right pick is made.
I think the Steelers should roll Fields as a bridge, draft more talent, maybe take a mid round QB as competition/a backup, and hope we either get a higher pick, or can trade up in a year or two for a QB. There's going to have to be a soft rebuild here, no way around it.
I think, despite how much we're talking about, the QB is still more important than we've considered. Take, for instance, Kansas City. Between 2009 and 2018, Reid went 2-6 in the playoffs. His teams were usually pretty good, but they were never really "Super Bowl contender" good. The vibe in KC was pretty similar to the one in Pittsburgh right now. But once he got his QB, the whole script flipped. Three rings in six years later, Reid is a surefire HOF coach leading the preeminent dynasty of the 2020s. Finding that QB is not just important. It is not just vital. It Is Essential.
Feels like a lot of your videos lately have started with “this is one of the worst situations in football.” That said, I think it would be cool if you did something like “Top 5 WORST situations in the NFL” and broke each one down. I’d def watch that.
Thanks for the video breaking down some of the feelings some of us Steeler fans have felt for a long time. While I don't personally sit on the fire Tomlin seat (yet), I do understand and don't disagree with the resentment. If only he had a few wins in the mid-2010's this wouldn't be a topic. However, maybe some other fans can elaborate on some of the issues the team had during those times. For some reason, I recall nagging or sudden late season injuries during the killer Bs era probably really locked in this problem we have today about his postseason viability. Sadly, it's the QB position that's likely going to carry a team right now in the modern NFL, and Ben has been long gone. It just so happens that's been a problem point for the Steelers for quite some time.
Great Vid as always FA. As a Steelers fan trying to keep a level head I think that our issues are fixable. However, they’re completely dependent on Tomlin changing his philosophy as a HC. The ravens went through a similar stretch before lamar where folks were calling for John Harbaugh’s job as well(I think Tomlin should be fired if this next season looks anything like this one). I think the Steelers issues are simple. Lack of adaptation to the current league. If you watch the 2020-2024 Steelers offense and defense they look exactly the same. They play to not lose, rather than playing to win games. The defense is “bend don’t break”, and the offense is always “don’t give the ball away”. They don’t take shots over the middle of the field to avoid interceptions, they don’t get creative using their best playmakers(offensively and defensively). This innate fear of making plays circulates through the offensive and defensive schemes every week! There is no reason why their ballhawk safety(Minkah) should not be roaming and making plays. Every playcall looks identical, and at this point this has to be the last curtain call for Tomlin. This organization is stagnant at the moment. Scared to lose, and never taking the risks to move to the next level. You can’t beat Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar, and Allen without taking a risk.
I feel the direction offense needs to be truly defined with this off-season, Tomlin is still phenomenal, but if we cannot operate an offense with our personnel I believe for both parties it'll be best to part ways. Both will rebound after. With Tomlin, you need to have a identifiable offense, Russ was fit for moon balls and a more west coast offense, while Arty Smith is known for being a ground and pound short game offense, which involves a lot of midfield short passes, which Russ can't do. I would like to see Art retained with a full shift towards a ground game, with Fields if possible, if only as a 1 year prove it while trying out a potential rookie QB (i haven't checked the rookie class to see how that looks)
2013: peyton breaks the record books 2014: on to Cincinnati 2015: von miller 2016: brady revenge tour 2017: sacksonville 2018: bradys 6th The steelers were just stuck in a conference dominated by 2 hofers and the odd defensive powerhouse storyline
I was gonna make a comment comparing the Steelers owner sticking with Cowher all those years and how he’s showing the same patience with Tomlin but then I realized that Tomlin’s been the HC for EIGHTEEN YEARS. It might be time for them to move on.
You're right theyd be in the dumpster with the Titans without him these last 5 years. Or do you think some other coach was getting that much out of Mitch Tribuisky, Kenny Pickett and WASHED Russell Wilson?
I’m astounded at how so many Steeler fans could think Tomlin is the problem, it’s one of the least talented rosters with no QB in a tough division. The fact they make the playoffs every year is a remarkable achievement. It took the team 20 years after Bradshaw to find their next legit QB and it’s probably going to take 20 more to find their next legit guy. Most coaches would be having 5 or 6 win seasons with that roster, which is exactly what will happen if they’re dumb enough to let Tomlin go.
How to take the NFL doesn’t want Tomlin or John Harbaugh leaving their teams. Every time they meet they talk about this record they have that’s only below two legendary coaches. They want these two to break the record for how many times two coaches teams play each other
If Santonio Holmes didn't make that amazing catch in the Super Bowl against the Cardinals, Tomlin would've been fired like a decade ago. Dude has coasted off that Super Bowl win almost 20 years ago now and really ever since then he's been a slightly better Jeff Fisher. 9-7 every year instead of 7-9
Not having a losing record is one of the most overrated stats in the NFL. However, there's a significant lack of good head coaching candidates that are potentially better than Mike Tomlin.
I wish they can trade Tomlin personally. As a Steelers fan, I said for years their biggest mistake was winning so many of those games they had no business doing. They were masquerading as a good team just to get steamrolled every year in the playoffs. Especially the last year with Ben and the year with the Pickett mess. Wish they just bottomed out.
I think Mike is good but he is responsible for this. Also the front office is also responsible. The players drafted in the last 4 years have not been super stars. Also tomlin is too conservative. Either tomlin changes his conservative ways or he needs to leave.
I’m surprised by the lack of Justin Fields fans It seems that after 3 horrendous years in Chicago, being traded for a bag for Doritos, being asked to run a middle school offensive system, still getting benched for a bad QB in Russ and a few months for that to marinade, most have come to the truth… Although I’m sure plenty of people still think after all that the only reason the Steelers benched their “franchise guy” in Fields is because they didn’t want that bag of Doritos to turn into a bag of Doritos AND a diet Coke (or rather that 6th rounder turn into a 4th)
See this is what I don't like about the commentary on Tomlin. You mention how TJ is going into year 9 without a playoff win, but not how TJ Watt himself has gone missing in those playoff games. That certainly wouldn't help a coach win... One Sack in his playoff career.
Tomlin would be a great coach for a team like Chicago ir Jacksonville. He's the ultimate players coach with the highest floor in the league and would drag them back to respectability and a few playoff runs. However for a team like Pittsburgh, hes just run his course. His biggest problem is that once a goal is achieved, he is UNABLE to move to the next. He gets the team so lazer focused to get to step 1 that they cant see step 2. Thats why the "no losing record" stat keeps collapsing the secind they hit win #10. Thats why the steelers always look past inferior opponents. Thats why they always finish bad seasons strong and good seasons weak
The ravens game was the worst example of the playoff apathy the Steelers have. Like man, a comeback is wildly improbable but they came back within 14 and had a chance make it 7 and the offense completely shit the bed and that’s when I truly knew the game was over. The team just gives up twice. I think dudes in that locker room have pride and show up for a little bit only to have scheme and coaching fail them miserably.
When people complain about the Steelers not making the play offs or going to the SB after 2010 or whenever it was, it was because of the Patriots. Lol. We just couldn't get passed Tom Brady. (Like most teams) As a Steelers fan, I appreciate your analysis.
As a Steelers fan, I didnt expect them to win that game. I did not expect them to play as bad as they did. Take Derrick Henry away and make Lamar beat you, or vice versa. Never expected a game plan that wouldnt stop either. I cant help but think the coaching staff is subpar at best.
Tomlin said “I promise we aren’t just trying the same things and hoping for different results” during his last interview which is hilarious because that’s exactly what they’re doing😂
I'm by no means a Steelers fan, but I don't think they would get rid of Mike Tomblin, Russell Wilson, or Justin Fields. I especially don't think they're going to get rid of their top edge rushers. To me, it seems like they will load up on offense. If George Pickens stays, and he doesn't do much better, I expect him to get traded by the next deadline.
I think they need to run it back and add another receiver. It’s the first season utilizing the OC and QBs. Teams need to maintain consistency in order to be great and Pittsburgh has not had consistency at all for years. Receivers gone, QBs rotating, OCs and DCs, Defensive and Offensive players. You can’t develop anything with two years and out situations. Everyone believes you’re one person from changing things and that’s false you need a group and time.
Tomlin. The "most consistent coach" with the Panthers, literally the most staaticically volatile(as far as predictability of win losses) team since inception... that would be WILD
i dont see a coaching change making a difference when we have Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow in our division. as well as Josh Allen and Pat Mahomes in our conference.
Big Ben 2004 Polamalu 2003 James Harrison 2002 Holmes 2006 Faneca 1998 Hines Ward 1998 Heath Miller 2005 Bruce Arians 2004 Dick LeBeau 1992 Mike Tomlin was hired Jan. 22, 2007. Tomlin had nothing to do with any of the people I just mentioned, yet he takes credit for that Super Bowl.
As a Steeler fan I’m just tired of the same thing every season. These playoff losses are getting more embarrassing and I think Mike Tomlin’s football philosophy of investing everything into the defense and little to nothing into the offense is outdated in today’s NFL.
I think Mike Tomlin can go to a struggling team like the Giants, Raiders, Titans or Saints and give the a winning culture, and with enough talent even win a Super Bowl or make a deep playoff run in due time. But with the Steelers, his message isn’t resonating enough to justify keeping around. The Steelers fans (some of them) will add “a little extra color” to why he should be gone, and act like he’s a horrible coach, but even good coaches may just need a change of scenery.
The Steelers issue is they have a good defense but a lackluster offense but Tomlin is such as good coach that he can take one of the worst rosters to a .500 plus record.I think the Steelers should keep Tomlin but make some aggressive moves to get some talent in the draft mainly on offense,picking in the early twenties every year doesn’t allow you to get franchise altering talent more specifically at QB.
The problem pittsburgh fans are starting to have with Tomlin is, he's just good enough to make the playoffs, or at least the talent on the team is good enough to make the playoffs. But, as you seen in the last month of the season, when the competition gets a little higher tier, the Steelers can't compete. And that's what you get in the playoffs. The Stat that jumps out at me with Tomlin is, he's only won a playoff game in 2 of the last 14 seasons!!! He's had nearly 70 pro bowlers in that time, so, it's not a talent thing, cause that's 3rd most in the NFL. So, it has to come down to coaching, it would if it was any other coach on any other team.
Who do you think should play quarterback for the Steelers in 2025? 🤔
I think Justin Fields should but that's only my opinion.
@@FootballAnalysis1 gotta make an internal decision between Russ and fields, then draft dart or Milton to develop
Love from md man
Quinn Ewers
it was crazy 2 years ago lamar jackson was made available for 2 first round picks and no one traded for him.
Russell Wilson, let Justin Fields sit needs to sit and learn, but the problem is is that they don’t have enough on the offensive end to compete within their own division on a consistent basis. They’re putting so much pressure on that defense to make plays. It’s not even funny they need to get at least another receiverthat could take the top off of a defense and their runner back room needs a complete overhaul.
As a Falcons fans, any mention of that 2016 Super Bowl makes me physically ill
Almost as bad as the Cam Newton not jumping on a fumble for a Panthers fan 😂😂😢😢😢
@@morsumbra9692obviously you two are forgetting the pain that Seahawks fans endure whenever a goal line is mentioned.
28-3 😂
Same lol
@thomasshanks6735 forever pour a patronessey out for Marshawn and yall on that one.
Going back to their AFC Championship loss in 2016, I believe the Steelers have fallen behind at least 21 points in all their postseason games since.
You are right
Bills fan - We have done our best
I though this was true and had been saying it but then i remembered TJs TD vs the chiefs in the first quarter, kinda a forgtten play and it was like 7-35 after that so.
@@jayg1438well Allen still hasn't been to a championship game. Dude can only win in the Wild Card round. It's funny because a couple years ago the announcers called him "Mr January" as if he'd actually ever been successful.
Cause we haven't had the killer Bs, since. And if you remember correctly, that season we should've beat the pats cause jones touchdown was wrongfully called back, which would've given them home field advantage and I 100% believe we would've won and went to the Super Bowl that year. But I knew damn well that was our last chance for a long time.
Someone told me Mike Tomlin is the NFL version of Doc Rivers. Both won 1 ring years ago and haven't done much since
John harbaugh will take that title if he doesn't make it to a sb
but players love them and owners and GMs have to keep the players happy
@@frandavis1990 nah harbough has had more playoff
*Cause they’re black. No other reason to compare n what about these other coaches who haven’t done shit? Where’s the energy for them or darnold or herbert? Y’all think him bein black is the only reason he’s liked n I think thats also the same reason he disliked.. n that comparison alone proved that..*
@@sloppnbiscuiitz ok, what about white Rick Carlisle? won 1 chip with the mavs in 2011, decidedly mid before and after, and he is definitely a "player's coach" or white Jim Leyland? won 1 WS, was barely a .500 manager but players loved him, even Barry Bonds (who was notoriously prickly) loved playing for Leyland because behind closed doors he let Barry do whatever he wanted.
both guys coached for 20+ years, one ring and middling success (other than the ring)
As a huge Steelers fan (since 2011), I am so over this every single season. I seriously expect it every year. My friends at college kept telling me: “Dude, you guys are 9-3, you guys are legit.” I told them every single week. 10-7, first round exit. Every week I told them. It is exactly what ended up happening. I have 0 faith in this team. This is seriously just the worst.
@@taylorstevens5394 Yep…. “Legit”= Championships
Philly fan here, my dad is a Steelers fan so I always watched the Steelers secondly.
There has been so much talent around that team consistently since at least 2015 (excluding years with Kenny Pickett) with WR QB and defense. There is almost 0 reason as to why that team shouldn’t be at least heading to a championship every year. Tomlin has to go
Have you seen your team win a Super Bowl in your lifetime? Congratulations, you are in a position 90% of football fans will never know. I hope they fire Tomlin and then get their first below .500 season in almost 20 years. Ungrateful fuck.
@@GGCGAGSGbuddy missed the point
Have you seen your team win a superbowl in your lifetime? Congratulations, you have a feeling and a memory 90% of football fans will never know. I hope if they actually do have the audacity to fire Tomlin that they get their first below .500 season in almost 20 years. Would be gold. You think things are bad now? Wait until your team is so bad they start getting accused of tanking, lol.
“This is seriously just the worst”
This is a “seriously” out of touch take… guess 18 seasons of winning football will do that to a fan base.
Mike Tomlin is just NFL Doc Rivers at this point. What is the point of going positive every year if you lose in the first round of playoffs?
Do you know the definition of Insanity?
For Doc he kept blowing 3-1 leads, Tomlin keeps letting a lead of 21 or more hit them before halftime 😭😭 its wild
@@silversoulken doc reminds me more of the bills.. and Celtics are like the chiefs lol
@@IchigoKurosaki0715nah not even close
@@brewproductionz2 how so
@@IchigoKurosaki0715 Bills never won anything yet Doc rivers is still getting hired because a championship he won back in 2008 and everytime he gets in the playoffs he consistently loses terribly
As a Ravens fan I think Tomlin ia the only reason the steelers haven't missed the play-offs 5 years in a row.... IK one and does are frustrating but I think Pittsburg fans are in for a rude awakening if they let him go
Kinda think you have to let him go to grow past the one n done seasons
Problem is that it's been multiple changes around him and not him. As a fan I believe we hit the ceiling with Tomlin cuz nothing is changing with him.
I respectfully disagree. I think their consistency comes from the organizational structure and front office. He has kept them afloat, sure, but I think they could benefit tremendously from a coaching change.
That’s not a good excuse not to get rid of him, and to act like this roster isn’t good and that no other coach can coach the Steelers is crazy. Mike Tomlin is not the only good coach in the league… it’s time for a change in order to go from good to great you need to take a risk. You need to take a step back and take a look around before you can take multiple steps forward
100% agree
So many Steelers fans act like Tomlin is blameless, it blows my mind.
Yes not every loss is entirely his fault, but when the last 6 straight playoff games are over at half time for a supposed "defensive guru" with the highest paid defense in the league is unacceptable.
it's fine to not win the superbowl, that's hard, but when you can't even look competitive in any playoff game then it's a problem
It's not that they lost, it's how they lost. Not good
@@holyelixir4580 the problem is think of the position they are in…. How do you fire a coach who hasn’t been below .500 once in his entire career.
@@MultiBearsfan54how about you suck for a year or 2 to try and get some good draft capital, get a good Qb and maybe build something. While it is impressive to never have a losing record in 18 seasons, it’s still incredibly pointless if you’re just going to get steamrolled in the first round of the playoffs and since you had that barely over .500 record then it just keeps you at mediocrity.
@@bafoonerysamurai6911 I wish my team hasn’t had a losing season since 2003, with or without the SBs and CC’s the Steelers have gotten.
When their team goes from being 4-2 to 5-12 people will be begging for those one and done playoff seasons lol.
Let’s be honest, high draft picks can change a team, but let’s not forget free agents and shit. You can absolutely still pick up elite players outside the draft.
@@MultiBearsfan54 “what if it gets worse?” Is just a crappy mediocre mindset to have…
Why stick with the “safe” option if that safe option has shown no ability to create a championship caliber team?
Making a move sets a direction… Maybe the Steelers fall apart and they get their choice at a top QB prospect in the draft… Maybe the team stays the course or even gets better and the new management gets aggressive to trade for their guy… Either way it’s better than being an uncompetitive 9 win team who sneaks by because of their ability to beat mid or bad teams
There’s nothing worse than being mid… If you’re bad you get picks and the ability to build something, if you’re good to great you’re championship caliber or a move away… If you’re mid you’re where the Steelers are; a laugh riot that no one takes seriously or talks about unless it’s in relation to their gross wasting of TJ Watt, Cam Heyward and Minkah Fitzpatrick… Is that really better than accepting a rebuild?
The Steelers have been doing the same song and dance for 5 years now. They have mid to below average QB play with a great defense that’s able to carry them to a barely above .500 record or gets them barely into the playoffs where they get blasted in the wildcard round. Where they lose to a better a team or lose to a better team with an elite QB highlighting the glaring difference between their QB and their opponents QB. They are not going far into the playoffs until they get QB that can actually hang with the superhuman AFC QB’s of Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar, and Burrow
It's not just the QB, their skill position players are average.
@@Anonymous0.019 exactly. So, I say we should draft one of the best talents at the position available, not just because it’s a position of need. QB play is gonna depend on receivers getting open and lineman blocking. We invested a lot into lineman, so we should bolster our wide receiver room with guys that can run routes and get separation. Running back too
Apparently burrow can’t hang either
@@Anonymous0.019 I agree as well should’ve also mentioned that in my earlier comment. It feels like the Steelers are years behind where the current NFL landscape is when it comes to QB and WR. They need to go draft Luther Burden if he’s somehow available at their pick or draft Emeka Egbuka which is the more realistic option. In order to pair someone next to George Pickens than they can go give the ball to and that can make splash plays
@@fortniteburger8747 While Burrow’s team couldn’t hang mainly their defense Burrow just had the best season of his career and is only at the start of his prime which the Steelers have to deal with him for the next 10+ years
I was absolutely stunned to realize that TJ Watt is 30 damn years old. A player that great having 0 playoff wins by his 30 year old season is absolutely astounding.
I believe NFL just dropped a video about the 10 greatest players to never win a Playoff game. You should watch it. TJ’s on the list.
Team issue. He cant do nothung about it
@@junyaiwase His one total sack in his playoff career sure helped his team lmao
Calvin Johnson never won a playoff game in his whole career
You either retire a great coach or coach long enough to become the modern Marv Lewis.
Mediocrity isn't rewarded or fixed- it's just accepted. If the Steelers want out of this rut, I think it'll require some kind of major leadership change.
Mediocre to the tune of a .630 w%. People don't appreciate Tomlin for winning, they hate him for not losing enough to draft in the top 10.
@@nahbruhnopehow can you appreciate winning when nothing comes of it
@@nahbruhnopethat’s like going to work everyday, completing your tasks, and then not getting paid…
@@vinnyt1140 The 2010s Bengals would certainly agree.
@@Disxreetthis is the perfect analogy 🤞🏾
During the prime Killer B era (Big Ben, AB, Bell, & Boswell) our offense would always miss one of these players. Le’veon got hurt and missed the majority of the 2015 season and tail end of the 2016 season. The concussion that has gifted us with CTESPN came in the 2015 playoffs also left us without AB for the next game against the Broncos. Then Bell holds out and does nothing with the Jets, Ben rants on a radio show and AB dips out (but not quite like his retirement announcement) and that’s the end of an era circa 2018. Another point is that many of the draft picks used between 2018 and 2022 have not been guys and most of the guys are out of the league or bounced around different practice squads. What we need to do better at (and the 2023 and 2024 drafts give me hope) is identifying talent wherever we are picking. We got TJ with the 30th overall, so it’s not impossible. But what I don’t like is going for the nepotism picks (Porter, Hayward, Watt, Herbig, Edmunds). Like who thought Connor Hayward, who is a 6’0” Tight End was a deserving pick. On the other hand, not a lot talent existed in the 2022 draft anyway.
2017 is when Tomlin lost the lockeroom, Tomlin & the team still hasn't recovered.
@ well if we look at the pro-bowl and all-pro selections, it was pretty consistent up until 2020. 2021 and onwards it’s only been TJ, Cam, and Minkah that’s gotten the nod (generally, Miles Killebrew and Najee got kudos at times too). So, I think this furthers my point that not drafting/signing replacements to players like Maurkice Pouncey, David DeCastro, and truly having superstar wideouts to replace AB have cost us these games when it matters. And it’s not from lack of trying but sometimes this team sticks with players too long just to do their due diligence and by the time they make a decision the price has been paid and it’s a winning season in the process haha.
I feel the need to mention nick herbig is pretty damn good
@@BobBob-eb4io You’re correct. And that’s why I didn’t say he was a mistake. But my point is, did we draft him because he was the best OLB available or because we just signed his older bro Nate that very same offseason?
@Jland221 i wasn't disagreeing with your point i just felt it needed to be said when listed with those other guys.i probably should of made that more clear in my original comment.
Bringing in Aaron Rodgers would be Tomlin literally waiving the white flag and basically begging the Rooney’s to fire him.
At minimum, it’d make Pat McAfee and his crew jizz all over their studio
They need to stink it up next year and get Arch Manning in 2026
@@russellseilhamer4552 Their D alone will make sure that doesn't happen. If they want to go that route then they need to start the trading now and being with Watt.
@@russellseilhamer4552that might be the only benefit of Rodgers…unless Pickens returns and they have two locker room cancers and Aaron can get George hooked on ayahuasca then that’s another benefit
@@russellseilhamer4552 not a good idea
I found it interesting how the Steelers ended the season playing four-straight games not played on a Sunday (Saturday, Wednesday, Saturday, Saturday). I wonder if that has ever happened before.
What you making excuses?
I’m pretty sure it’s so they could produce the hard knocks show before Tuesday
The issue also the Steelers always want to be in the playoffs. Then forget to develop their qb to set them up for success for years to come. A year of rebuilding has to happen to develop a offense.
Big Ben is a Hall of Fame quarterback. It takes time to get a generational quarterback like he was on a roster. It’s just that simple Ben Rothenburger is gonna walk into the Hall of Fame, but the main problem is the lack of offensive weapons to compete within their own division on a consistent basis
@@flyguy7825 thing is the steelers have to wait until a draft class will be heavy with QB’s. The steelers don’t draft high so trading up us slim because its outside the norm for them.
@@21Kolb they need receivers more than they actually need a quarterback a quarterback a for right now is rock solid
Not having a losing season, is the bare minimum. Why does everyone keep thinking,having winning seasons, is a flex?
because it gets you in the playoffs fool losing seasons dont get playoff berths usually
Doing it every year with a medium roster is an achievement. This was the only year since Ben that they really had a shot
@@moalston4203your standards must be low lol
@@LV_daWEED no I just know you have to win in thru adversity and things and make it to the post season
@@LV_daWEED yours must be low the standard is the standard 10 wins is 10 wins it should been 13 wins though to make you feel better
My thing is since 2020, the start of the new decade. Pittsburgh has changed QB multiple times, changed general manager changed Defensive Coordinators, changed Offensive Coordinators, changed Offensive and defensive players. The only constant factor these past 5 seasons has been Mike Tomlin being the head coach in Pittsburgh.
Yet despite all these changes, the result every year in Pittsburgh is the same which is either a 9 or 10 win season with a wildcard playoff lose or not making the playoffs.
I don’t understand people can look at all these changes on the team, see the HC position, Mike Tomlin, is the only thing that hasn’t changed and say he isn’t the problem or that it would be a mistake for Pittsburgh to move off of him. He’s been the only thing that has been the same the past 5 years and the team’s results have been the same.
It’s not been an issue that’s only gone on the last 5 years, it’s been one since their last SB appearance. Every season there’s always a massive hole somewhere due to bad coaching hire and overpaid underperforming contracts. We usually keep very subpar coordinators for way too long and try to run schemes that just don’t adapt to today’s game. Once we lost Big Ben, who was carrying the team offensively from his magician type play style, the wheels finally came off and Tomlin has been exposed as a great developer of talent/recruiter but an awful schemer/play caller. He’s been the issue for a long time and the first sign of that was the 2017 playoff loss to Blake Bortles and the Jags.
@@twindragon5668So, let’s say we move on from Tomlin (I’m not opposed to it but the owner isn’t budging). What’s the next move? Is it the rest of the coaching staff, changing players at key positions (I’ve seen Minkah, TJ, and Pickens floated around for trades), or something else? And what record/outcome do you foresee for 2025 if we did any drastic changes?
@ my biggest gripe on the Tomlin debate is people not giving enough credit to Ben and too much to Tomlin. When he has Ben for 15+ years he didn’t need to think or worry about the offense as OC didn’t matter with a QB like Ben. And during that stretch of the 2010s it always felt like when it would come playoff time, Ben would have to be Superman every game as Tomlin’s defense wouldn’t show up. I’m not saying Tomlin wasn’t once a legendary defensive mind, but I don’t think people give enough credit to the fact that at the start and majority of his career he had Ben on offense and defensive legends that were drafted and developed by Bill Cowher.
@ players like them could be moved too as if Mike Tomlin were to go, a new culture and house would be brought in entirely. Losing Tomlin and some of the star players in Pittsburgh would feel devastating at first and likely lead to some awful first years at first, but I think that would be much preferable in the long haul as going 9-7-1, 9-8, 10-7, 10-7 ends us up being just good enough to get in but not good enough to compete making drafting generational players to help the team, like QB or WR, incredibly difficult since we’ll always land in the 20s and never high enough to get game changer players. I trust the front office’s ability to draft good players, but I don’t trust Tomlin’s ability to develop QBs or coach discipline.
Because how can Tomlin be expected to go further than a first round out when he has Kenny Picket and Mason Rudolph as his QBs?
Wanna know how cursed this team is, me and my buddies did a madden career with them in madden 24 and got fired in 2030 after putting together the best roster and getting 1 playoff winc
Let’s not forget that Ravens fans wanted John Harbaugh gone WITH Joe Flacco, and then when Lamar asked for all that money the fans said let him walk, and then when Justin Tucker was having a bad string of games they wanted to put him out… now they are 2 games away from the Super Bowl with Lamar, and Harbaugh, and Tucker, and it’s all gravy 🤷♂️
Maybe we should move on from Tomlin, maybe we shouldn’t, but fans be so quick to say fire somebody as if it’s just an abundance of successful coaches and players just out there, ripe for the picking that will lead us to the promised land in a single season
My favorite thing about Mike Tomlin offenses is watching players like Jaylen Warren, Roman Wilson, and Calvin Austin wither away and be either unused or only allowed to see the field in situations that do not take advantage of their strengths at all. And then players like Najee Harris and George Pickens be force fed the ball, when they have underperformed their entire careers. Kind of like the Fields/Wilson dilemma. Not only does it seem like Tomlin has no idea how to judge offensive talent, it almost seems like he actively is the biggest help for other teams defenses when it comes to stopping their offenses.
Maybe it is time to change HCs. But if they do, Pittsburgh will have to endure at least one bad losing season I think. Pittsburgh lacks talent on the offensive end. No QB, the o-line isn't the best, and skill positions aren't great either. I believe Mike Tomlin is making the most of the talent that the team does have but the fact of the matter is that team just doesn't have great talent.
Disagree. They’ve shown they can win games in the first 12 weeks but the pattern is that they just stop trying after that point.
Y’all said the same thing about Bill Cowher right he didn’t win a Super Bowl to his last two years of coaching the Rooneys are doing it correctly. They understand that Mike Tomlin is doing the best with what he has to work with. It’s the roster that needs to get better, especially on the offensive end, he just doesn’t have the talent to compete on the offensive side
No he's not making the most of his players talent, I'm telling you he don't know how to.
I think most Pittsburgh fans would be ok with a few bad seasons in that it can give them a chance at a real rebuild
Remember: protecting someone because of his race is also racism !
Last time the Steelers fired a coach Adam West still played Batman and Lyndon Johnson was in office. Just let that sink in
Holy halftime show, it's been that long?
@@nicholasfarrell5981 Yep, you heard that right. Bill Austin in 1968 was the last Steelers coach to be fired and it’s crazy to think there have only been 3 HCs since the 1970 merger 🤯🤯
It’s tough being a Steeler fan man. Not bad enough to get in front of the first round of the draft, but not good enough to win a playoff game. Flat out purgatory.
Love the thumbnail on this one!
1) I'll be surprised if Mr. Tomlin hits the 20 year mark wth Pittsburgh.
2) At this point, Russell Wilson will be inconsistent no matter where he goes.
Russel wilson needs to retire SEA era over he look crazy all his guys gone doing their own shit chillin
@junyaiwase The Seattle era is definitely over, I agree.
You say inconsistent, I say shit…
@masterbaiters1183 Lol.
There’s only two ways I could see Tomlin getting fired: 1. They run it back next season and they finish with 4-6 wins (not enough to really tank) and the dysfunction in the locker room gets worse or 2. They don’t bring back Russ or Fields but instead bring in…Aaron Rodgers (at that point, I’d be convinced Tomlin’s just begging to be fired)
They haven’t drafted in the top 10 in forever. They win every single freaking year with teams that they shouldnt. Pittsburgh fans are the most spoiled rotten unappreciative brats in the world. How dense can you idiots be not to realize that he’s winning and rebuilding at the same time while making the playoffs. That’s unheard of. Honestly you’re all so pathetic
“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”.
it good to be insane and be extremist if it works do what no one else is doing
Tell that to CERN.
Muth would be like a TE3 on the Ravens and Steelers fans act like hes Gronk sometimes i swear.
He has fumbled or dropped passes at the most critical points in games on multiple occasions. The Year we tied the Lions, Muth fumbled in Overtime pretty close to field goal range, and everyone blamed Rudolph for some reason
I’m a Steelers fan and I think Muth is overrated
As a steelers fan i think a couple of 4-12 seasons is exactly what they need...in order to commit to a rebuild they need to start getting some draft picks...17 years without a losing season translates to 17 years without a good draft pick
But if Tomlin tanked for even a season, all of steelers fans would call for him to be fired. Tomlins in a no win scenario.
@JawaPenguin16 ...exactly...which is why a losing season is needed...we get a draft pick...AND we get rid of Mike Tomlin...have a losing season or 2 is a win win senarior
@ So your problem is that he wins too much lol. Most entitled fanbase in football.
@JawaPenguin16 idk what poverty franchise you belong to...but around here? We're used to winning superbowls...and we waste year after year doing "well" in the regular season just to lose in the first round...and at least a team with a losing season gets a draft pick going into the offseason...but not us. We go home WITHOUT a draft pick...we waste another year of hall of fame prime year talent and get nothing to show for it. If we have that...we should be doing something with it
Apparently Tomlin is a great coach!!!!!!!!!!
If some white coach had 17 years consecutively of winning seasons and one SuperBowl, You would say they were objectively one of the best coaches in the league
Random point…Have a friend in PGH who says baseball doesn’t start there until the All-Star break in July. The Pirates who looked good, solid, or markedly improved from April-June will suddenly collapse and finish well below .500. The Steelers have evolved into the NFL version of their Pirates…solid from Aug-Oct, but collapse come Nov and finish around .500.
I say roll with Justin Fields next season to at least see what you have with him under center, because if not then this team needs to have a losing season. Mike Tomlin and the Rooneys need a serious wake up call, because sleep walking into 9-10 win seasons and first round playoff exits clearly isn't getting the message through to them.
The Steelers are in a unenviable position that I fully understand as a Seahawks fan who watched much of the later Pete Carroll era. Which is a team that is coached "too well" so they never bottom out, and wins games in the regular season, but effectively stopped winning the all important postseason games. The coordinators change but the results are the same. And ownership doesn't want to move off because winning implies something is continually done right even if the symptoms of doing things wrong or "incorrect" are all there. The reality is the Steelers are becoming closer to the Marvin Lewis in the postseason then fans are comfortable with and with an organization that is willing to weather media storms of the past that may not change anytime soon. The only thing the Steelers accomplished this year is depleting another year of their stars primes and I very much understand the frustration of those fans to see these players feel this lack of success.
Somehow saying Sam Darnold "peed his pants" at the end of the season sounds 100 times more embarrassing than saying he shit the bed lmao
I've done both. Shitting the bed was worse 😂
The former is embarrassing and like, you couldn't handle the pressure or fear or whatever. The latter? Something *very bad* happened.
Tomlin has 8 playoff wins in his career, 11 losses, 2 Super Bowl appearances in which he’s 1-1, and has been through a plethora of talent and coordinators in 18 years as head coach. (He’s never produced another head coach or coordinator from his coaching tree.) Meanwhile, Sean McVay in 8 years is 8-4 (as i’m writing this), with the same super bowl record as him while being a coach and coordinator producing machine. McVay is a better coach all time than Mike Tomlin.
I think the way the Ravens ran through the Steelers, let me be emphatic, they ran THROUGH the Steelers, is all the evidence you need that change has to happen. The team is not responding or progressing with Tomlin anymore. Yes he has gotten less than ideal rosters to the playoffs. He has ability to turn around a program I strongly believe but his message is not registering anymore in Pittsburgh. The Steelers have to roll the dice on taking a step back potentially for a bit if they ever want to get beyond one and done in playoffs every year.
People forget never having a losing season while never winning a playoff game can do more harm than good. Just means you're consistently missing out on the top 10 of the draft, much less the top 15. Consistently picking 20 through 25 you're gonna have to have insane scouting.
Could not agree more
Bengal fan here. Nothing but respect for Tomlin. When he has talent, there SB competitor's. When there low on talent, he wins 10 games. Ill take him to coach Burrow for 10 years any day over Zac Taylor. You are spoiled from success Steelers. ...and even in defeat belive me, the steelers will be fine.
One of these days we are gunna get a FA vid where the title will be “The [Insert Team] are in an okay situation”
Chargers/Seahawks lol
Aside from Tomlin’s message mostly becoming stale in the locker room, the end of the Kevin Colbert tenure is turning out to be a huge issue. He really set the team back with his poor roster management/first round drafting in his final seasons. His last 6 first round picks were Artie Burns, TJ (home run), Terrell Edmunds, Devin Bush, Najee (good player, not first round imo), & Kenny Pickett for reference.
Finally someone putting blame on the people who actually deserves it. Not the person winning in spite of it....
Great vid. I'm a Vikes fan as well brother and i feel the steelers know our pain. While we've certainly have had better qb play in recent years nothing changes when it comes to post season disappointment.
I genuinely believe we would be talking about Mike Tomlin in the same vein as Mike McCarthy if it wasn't for the fact that he hasn't had a losing season.
the funny part is that mike mccarthy has more playoff wins than him and actually beat him in the super bowl w the packers
My local sports radio talker calls a similar situation in sports Basketball Hell. Only good enough to make the playoffs and be a first round out and not bad enough to land a high draft (lottery) pick to get a true difference maker or force regime change.
The steelers havent looked like a playoff threat team since Ben left (except midseason this year?), and yet they still win a lot. They very well might have been the 2nd Browns without him
Really appreciate the consistency in which you schedule dude!!
I think Art Rooney 2 is the biggest issue with the team. He doesnt let the Steelers into the 21st century. They cant fire coaches mid season if they suck, they have to let their contracts expire. When there is an opening, you can't pay money to bring in top talent, you have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for whomever is available.
We're constantly hiring has-beens and fired coaches instead of anyone up and coming and when we did get a guy like Flores, it was for a cheap one-year assistant job, and we lost him to Minnesota because we already had a DC and couldn't afford Flores.
There is something to be said about the playoff issues and Tomlin, but i do think he's dragging bad teams to the playoffs, not fumbling good teams. Outside of the Browns loss, which is inexcusable, we havent ever really been a good team when we've made the playoffs. Coincidentally, the last playoff game we won, was the year before Art Rooney Jr took over as owner.
As a Ravens fan, I think the Steelers' best option for QB next year is to let Russ go, bring Justin Fields back as 'the guy' and see what you have in him, and bring in a solid veteran backup like a Joe Flacco behind Fields. Either Fields proves he's 'the guy' and you focus on putting players around him, or he proves he's not 'the guy', tanking the 2025 season, but you end up with a high enough pick in the 2026 draft, which has a good QB class, to then go and get 'the guy'.
Tomlin is a player coach, yet he has a track record of unruly players. He hasn't produced any real skilled coordinators either, and his drafting history is shotty. As a non-stealer fan, I don't think he does anything really well, and IMO, he's just an okay to above average coach.
He can set a culture and create respectability… A team like the Saints, Raiders or Jets could use him, not a team looking to actually win
Unless you want to give Dan Campbell credit for Ben Johnson being as good as he is. Don't put blame on Tomlin for the owners not hiring better staff for him to work with.
@JawaPenguin16 All I'm saying is that great coaches produce more good coaches. Tomlin just hasn't. If you have trash coordinators for over a decade, I'm going to start to blame you cause there is really only one consistency. Also, if you're not going to call plays, like I believe Tomlin doesn't, a good coach needs to make sure the guy who is calling plays is the right guy. Also, I don't give Campbell credit cause Ben Johson had been on the lions staff pre-Campbell.
@ you do know head coach builds the staff
Long time no see! It's Mike C. I fell off quite a bit as a fan of your channel, as life was getting too real offline. That being said this video is so true, the Steelers are stuck in such an awful spot as far as winning too much but definitely not enough. And I knew their playoff success had been awful in the day decade and a half but damn..
Anyways I miss your channel and hope all is well with you bro! I got a ton of your content to binge! Keep up the good work as always, and have an epic day!
Hope everything is going okay Mike and wish you the best with everything you may be going through!!
@FootballAnalysis1 that means a lot! Things have been going pretty decent considered the shiet I've been going through.
Thanks for always being the coolest content creator in terms of being relatable. And thanks for making the best videos for us fans to escape reality into. You truly have a gift and an ability to create such beautiful art in the form of NFL videos. Sucks the Colts didn't even make the playoffs, and I was sad to see the Vikings go, my preseason prediction that darnold would pay resurgent was true, I wish he and the Vikings could've at least made it to this weekend before elimination
I’ve said this to people and they think that Mike is too valuable to give up. I will say it time and time again, it’s not like they are picking from the best of the best, they’re picking from pretty much an average position in the draft and the team isn’t improving because they miss out on top picks. A bad season is hard but can turn around if the right pick is made.
Tomlin is the most overrated coach in pro sports. No postseason wins since Obama was president, no coaching tree, Matt Canada, etc etc.
As a Atlanta falcon fan I’m tired of catching strays 😂
28-3 is a lifetime stray even if you guys become a dynasty 5x over
@ Lawd 🤦🏾♂️😂😂 yall got to give us a break
The coach isn't the problem. The problem is you haven't had a good QB sense, Big Ben.
I think the Steelers should roll Fields as a bridge, draft more talent, maybe take a mid round QB as competition/a backup, and hope we either get a higher pick, or can trade up in a year or two for a QB. There's going to have to be a soft rebuild here, no way around it.
I think, despite how much we're talking about, the QB is still more important than we've considered.
Take, for instance, Kansas City. Between 2009 and 2018, Reid went 2-6 in the playoffs. His teams were usually pretty good, but they were never really "Super Bowl contender" good. The vibe in KC was pretty similar to the one in Pittsburgh right now. But once he got his QB, the whole script flipped. Three rings in six years later, Reid is a surefire HOF coach leading the preeminent dynasty of the 2020s. Finding that QB is not just important. It is not just vital. It Is Essential.
i've read comments where Mike Tomlin gets compared to Marvin Lewis and Jeff Fisher.
:55 those jags where one missed call from the Super Bowl, they where no walk in the park like you made it sound lol
Channel is so good
Feels like a lot of your videos lately have started with “this is one of the worst situations in football.” That said, I think it would be cool if you did something like “Top 5 WORST situations in the NFL” and broke each one down. I’d def watch that.
Thanks for the video breaking down some of the feelings some of us Steeler fans have felt for a long time. While I don't personally sit on the fire Tomlin seat (yet), I do understand and don't disagree with the resentment. If only he had a few wins in the mid-2010's this wouldn't be a topic. However, maybe some other fans can elaborate on some of the issues the team had during those times. For some reason, I recall nagging or sudden late season injuries during the killer Bs era probably really locked in this problem we have today about his postseason viability. Sadly, it's the QB position that's likely going to carry a team right now in the modern NFL, and Ben has been long gone. It just so happens that's been a problem point for the Steelers for quite some time.
Great Vid as always FA. As a Steelers fan trying to keep a level head I think that our issues are fixable. However, they’re completely dependent on Tomlin changing his philosophy as a HC. The ravens went through a similar stretch before lamar where folks were calling for John Harbaugh’s job as well(I think Tomlin should be fired if this next season looks anything like this one). I think the Steelers issues are simple. Lack of adaptation to the current league. If you watch the 2020-2024 Steelers offense and defense they look exactly the same. They play to not lose, rather than playing to win games. The defense is “bend don’t break”, and the offense is always “don’t give the ball away”. They don’t take shots over the middle of the field to avoid interceptions, they don’t get creative using their best playmakers(offensively and defensively). This innate fear of making plays circulates through the offensive and defensive schemes every week! There is no reason why their ballhawk safety(Minkah) should not be roaming and making plays. Every playcall looks identical, and at this point this has to be the last curtain call for Tomlin. This organization is stagnant at the moment. Scared to lose, and never taking the risks to move to the next level. You can’t beat Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar, and Allen without taking a risk.
I feel the direction offense needs to be truly defined with this off-season, Tomlin is still phenomenal, but if we cannot operate an offense with our personnel I believe for both parties it'll be best to part ways. Both will rebound after. With Tomlin, you need to have a identifiable offense, Russ was fit for moon balls and a more west coast offense, while Arty Smith is known for being a ground and pound short game offense, which involves a lot of midfield short passes, which Russ can't do. I would like to see Art retained with a full shift towards a ground game, with Fields if possible, if only as a 1 year prove it while trying out a potential rookie QB (i haven't checked the rookie class to see how that looks)
2013: peyton breaks the record books
2014: on to Cincinnati
2015: von miller
2016: brady revenge tour
2017: sacksonville
2018: bradys 6th
The steelers were just stuck in a conference dominated by 2 hofers and the odd defensive powerhouse storyline
I was gonna make a comment comparing the Steelers owner sticking with Cowher all those years and how he’s showing the same patience with Tomlin but then I realized that Tomlin’s been the HC for EIGHTEEN YEARS. It might be time for them to move on.
The Steelers are barely above average hack jobs under Nightmare Tomlin.
You're right theyd be in the dumpster with the Titans without him these last 5 years. Or do you think some other coach was getting that much out of Mitch Tribuisky, Kenny Pickett and WASHED Russell Wilson?
I’m astounded at how so many Steeler fans could think Tomlin is the problem, it’s one of the least talented rosters with no QB in a tough division. The fact they make the playoffs every year is a remarkable achievement. It took the team 20 years after Bradshaw to find their next legit QB and it’s probably going to take 20 more to find their next legit guy. Most coaches would be having 5 or 6 win seasons with that roster, which is exactly what will happen if they’re dumb enough to let Tomlin go.
How to take the NFL doesn’t want Tomlin or John Harbaugh leaving their teams. Every time they meet they talk about this record they have that’s only below two legendary coaches. They want these two to break the record for how many times two coaches teams play each other
If Santonio Holmes didn't make that amazing catch in the Super Bowl against the Cardinals, Tomlin would've been fired like a decade ago.
Dude has coasted off that Super Bowl win almost 20 years ago now and really ever since then he's been a slightly better Jeff Fisher. 9-7 every year instead of 7-9
First let’s goooooo. Been waiting for This. Listening on way to work rn, My Steelers in a tricky spot, but I trust tomlin.
Excited to watch
Not having a losing record is one of the most overrated stats in the NFL. However, there's a significant lack of good head coaching candidates that are potentially better than Mike Tomlin.
Please lie to yourself and say that some other coach was getting wins out of Kenny Pickett.
The steelers are a joke from the top down when i aee people wearing steeler stuff i laugh to myself and assume they're probably flat earthers too
If it's that bad, the fans shouldn't
Be buying tickets or Jersey's..
Tomlin hasn't had an under .500 season in 18 years! Not many coaches can say this.
Tomlin’s last 8 years is like Marvin Lewis now. But Pittsburgh really haven’t went “all-in” for a season to make a SB run lately.
I wish they can trade Tomlin personally. As a Steelers fan, I said for years their biggest mistake was winning so many of those games they had no business doing. They were masquerading as a good team just to get steamrolled every year in the playoffs. Especially the last year with Ben and the year with the Pickett mess. Wish they just bottomed out.
I think Mike is good but he is responsible for this. Also the front office is also responsible. The players drafted in the last 4 years have not been super stars. Also tomlin is too conservative. Either tomlin changes his conservative ways or he needs to leave.
I’m surprised by the lack of Justin Fields fans
It seems that after 3 horrendous years in Chicago, being traded for a bag for Doritos, being asked to run a middle school offensive system, still getting benched for a bad QB in Russ and a few months for that to marinade, most have come to the truth… Although I’m sure plenty of people still think after all that the only reason the Steelers benched their “franchise guy” in Fields is because they didn’t want that bag of Doritos to turn into a bag of Doritos AND a diet Coke (or rather that 6th rounder turn into a 4th)
See this is what I don't like about the commentary on Tomlin. You mention how TJ is going into year 9 without a playoff win, but not how TJ Watt himself has gone missing in those playoff games. That certainly wouldn't help a coach win... One Sack in his playoff career.
The only caveat of moving on from Tomlin is the the Steelers never fire HCs
Saying big pat isn’t good when he’s a top 7 TE but just isn’t utilized is wild.
they should have just kept fields in as starter he was on pace for 30 total tds and 3800 pass yards
Tomlin would be a great coach for a team like Chicago ir Jacksonville. He's the ultimate players coach with the highest floor in the league and would drag them back to respectability and a few playoff runs. However for a team like Pittsburgh, hes just run his course. His biggest problem is that once a goal is achieved, he is UNABLE to move to the next. He gets the team so lazer focused to get to step 1 that they cant see step 2. Thats why the "no losing record" stat keeps collapsing the secind they hit win #10. Thats why the steelers always look past inferior opponents. Thats why they always finish bad seasons strong and good seasons weak
The ravens game was the worst example of the playoff apathy the Steelers have. Like man, a comeback is wildly improbable but they came back within 14 and had a chance make it 7 and the offense completely shit the bed and that’s when I truly knew the game was over. The team just gives up twice. I think dudes in that locker room have pride and show up for a little bit only to have scheme and coaching fail them miserably.
they fought at the end though bro
You totally nailed it man 🎯 Appreciate your honesty and knowledge
Glad you enjoyed thank you!
When people complain about the Steelers not making the play offs or going to the SB after 2010 or whenever it was, it was because of the Patriots. Lol. We just couldn't get passed Tom Brady. (Like most teams) As a Steelers fan, I appreciate your analysis.
As a Steelers fan, I didnt expect them to win that game. I did not expect them to play as bad as they did. Take Derrick Henry away and make Lamar beat you, or vice versa. Never expected a game plan that wouldnt stop either. I cant help but think the coaching staff is subpar at best.
Tomlin said “I promise we aren’t just trying the same things and hoping for different results” during his last interview which is hilarious because that’s exactly what they’re doing😂
I'm by no means a Steelers fan, but I don't think they would get rid of Mike Tomblin, Russell Wilson, or Justin Fields. I especially don't think they're going to get rid of their top edge rushers. To me, it seems like they will load up on offense. If George Pickens stays, and he doesn't do much better, I expect him to get traded by the next deadline.
I think they need to run it back and add another receiver. It’s the first season utilizing the OC and QBs. Teams need to maintain consistency in order to be great and Pittsburgh has not had consistency at all for years. Receivers gone, QBs rotating, OCs and DCs, Defensive and Offensive players. You can’t develop anything with two years and out situations. Everyone believes you’re one person from changing things and that’s false you need a group and time.
Imagine saying “How bad is Sam darnold compared to Aaron Rodgers or Russel Wilson” 3 or 4 years ago😂😂😂
Tomlin. The "most consistent coach" with the Panthers, literally the most staaticically volatile(as far as predictability of win losses) team since inception... that would be WILD
i dont see a coaching change making a difference when we have Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow in our division. as well as Josh Allen and Pat Mahomes in our conference.
List of head coaches that are better than Tomlin
-John Harbaugh
-Sean Payton
-Dan Campbell
-Andy Reid
-Sean McVay
-Brian Daboll
-Kyle Shanahan
Big Ben 2004
Polamalu 2003
James Harrison 2002
Holmes 2006
Faneca 1998
Hines Ward 1998
Heath Miller 2005
Bruce Arians 2004
Dick LeBeau 1992
Mike Tomlin was hired Jan. 22, 2007. Tomlin had nothing to do with any of the people I just mentioned, yet he takes credit for that Super Bowl.
As a Steeler fan I’m just tired of the same thing every season. These playoff losses are getting more embarrassing and I think Mike Tomlin’s football philosophy of investing everything into the defense and little to nothing into the offense is outdated in today’s NFL.
I think Mike Tomlin can go to a struggling team like the Giants, Raiders, Titans or Saints and give the a winning culture, and with enough talent even win a Super Bowl or make a deep playoff run in due time. But with the Steelers, his message isn’t resonating enough to justify keeping around. The Steelers fans (some of them) will add “a little extra color” to why he should be gone, and act like he’s a horrible coach, but even good coaches may just need a change of scenery.
The Steelers issue is they have a good defense but a lackluster offense but Tomlin is such as good coach that he can take one of the worst rosters to a .500 plus record.I think the Steelers should keep Tomlin but make some aggressive moves to get some talent in the draft mainly on offense,picking in the early twenties every year doesn’t allow you to get franchise altering talent more specifically at QB.
The problem pittsburgh fans are starting to have with Tomlin is, he's just good enough to make the playoffs, or at least the talent on the team is good enough to make the playoffs. But, as you seen in the last month of the season, when the competition gets a little higher tier, the Steelers can't compete. And that's what you get in the playoffs. The Stat that jumps out at me with Tomlin is, he's only won a playoff game in 2 of the last 14 seasons!!! He's had nearly 70 pro bowlers in that time, so, it's not a talent thing, cause that's 3rd most in the NFL. So, it has to come down to coaching, it would if it was any other coach on any other team.
All they need is a star qb, another db, and another offensive weapon. Im a ravens fan