Final warning catalyst is a free 10-5% damage buff which changes its body shot optimal ttk in crucible which is what its great at in pvp and i usually find myself getting nearly another full burst with it in pve due to the ammo return, idk why everyone slanders it so much easily a great catalyst and one of the best guns in the game
I did in depth testing for final warning a few weeks ago and the amount of shots to kill is still the same, it just makes it more consistent from longer range on marked tagets
it's still an admittedly awkward weapon by design. I personally love it but never fault anyone for not liking the gun, and the catalyst effectively doesn't change its, again, awkward usage
do you know if it actually gets any boost from something like verity's brow? like could i theoretically get 5 forerunner kills and throw a mega buffed frag grenade?
that was just such a solid and informative video. Especially i am a new destiny player. Would reccomend though to either turn the personal mic aux higher or turning the bgm a tad bit lower. Cheers you got a new sub
A fundamentally solid weapon doesn’t need crazy exotic perks to compete, I’d argue it’s crows wing exotic perk sucks, but the dual fire slug/pellet make it so versatile
Minor correction but unless there was a more recent twab that I’ve missed this is how kinetic damage works. Ripped straight from the article. Gods I hate how annoying information is to find in this game. “Kinetic damage type weapons no longer deal bonus damage to bosses; damage to other combatant tiers is unchanged.”
That’s what I was talking about when I was trying to dunk on quicksilver storm catalyst haters, it literally doesn’t matter what damage type you use in the kinetic slot anymore
@@McRib29800 pre rework it still had its uses it was a highly specialized tool that required a deft hand to make work but for the vast majority of players they couldn’t get it to work
Another day Im reminded that after having played the game since launch and grinding my butt off on nessus that I still do not have the sturm catalyst. Lol
Forerunner's grenade is actually really chunky and mean in PvE if you mix it with Verity's brow. I'm also a complete freak and like the bouncy nature of the grenade. Great video ❤
My rework for borealis catalyst would be to give it subclass equivalent aoe effects based on the element selected. Ie, incandescent, destabilizing rounds, voltshot. And have it get a handling bonus when breaking shields that match the element it currently has.
Ager's scepter taking your super is actually a better use of your super if you're using stasis warlock due to how poor it performs against bosses. There's a number of supers that would be better put to use as ager's fuel. I wish it wasn't true lmao
I remember chasing my first catalyst for the borealis and was very disappointed with it, I expected maybe debuts for each of the elements for something good but it was just reload speed
@@reaper-1 tractor cannon was my first catalyst done, I was so underleveled at the time it was the only way I could damage enemies at max tier escalation protocol
The only arguable scenario where you might not want a catalyst, and this is very situational, is with the fact that Quicksilver Storm changes from Kinetic to Strand. If you wanted to use it for equal dark and light transcendence energy, or for kinetic siphon or other mods, or with specific artifact perks, now you can’t. At the same time, obviously Strand has a ton of synergies as well, getting the tangles is a huge boon for Strand builds, and having a few Strand exotic primaries to choose from is always a good thing. There are merits to both, is all I’m saying.
For Black Talon, do a retest but this time on a titan with Stronghold. You don't lose energy on sword blocks, so you could probably get two swings off with the bonus damage. Some catalysts do require a playstyle to use, and i think Black Talon is one of those class-focused catalysts. Also, legend of acrius used to have only 2 in the mag normally, so it's +4 shots.
I have no idea why you insist that Outlaw is better than 4TTC on Revision Zero. You can get 6 sniper shots instead of 4, and it drastically helps in damage and racking up the charges with the base gun.
@@nate_that_one_kid8671 no matter how many times I listened to this video. I still make mistakes like that. In my notes I still considered incandescent in the ranking, in my testing it really doesn’t help much for scorch, it’s one of those “it’s there” catalysts that’s why I rank it so low
Looks like you forgot to turn off HDR before screencapping gameplay, because this is what it looked like when I did the same thing. :s Thanks for the rankings!
And to clarify, this is for like, big enemies. The main function is to swap to it, block a big enemy's shot and then dump a double heavy at it. Was super useful versus stuff like the frost and Strand using big things in the pale heart. Harbingers? I think.
@@sammantixgm I just don’t like putting yourself purposely in danger to get more damage since this specifically counteracts the purpose of the sword (at the time the only sword that could cast projectiles) the damage isn’t worth it compared to the danger you put yourself in
Checked video because of the thumbnail. Putting Ace catalyst in B and not D is crazy considering you put grandovertures catalyst in B tier as well. It gives it more handling, gives it more synergy with arc class, and gives it the most important upgradez utility. Ut can stun unstop champs with 5 with oen volley shot. Easily A tier
Personally I haven’t tried it, I’m sure it would work since the whole of the witness is damageable so I don’t think tracking would be an issue but deathbringer dps is not stellar
Ybut the damage boost from the catalyst doesn’t effect that, it’s still a 2 shot, it’s just an underwhelming- but easy to prime damage buff In PVE. It’s going to one shot in PvP if you hop fire all 3 and hit the zoomed shot to detonate
I wanna say that Aegr's scepter's best functionality is with stasis which does not have particularly great supers (lookin at you, winter's wrath) so it could be a better usage of super meter than what the class offers
i watched you vid in one go and i have to say you almost everwhere right but prometheus Lense is good with the cata if you play it more often on warlock it is good not as good as sunshot but its is A tier for me
@@paragon5186 mhmm. Now that this game is down to the bare basics from here on out, I don't think they are going to add in anything outside of what was already planned. And we are lucky if they continue all of that as well since this game is "putting them in the red" in terms of profits.
Я провел обширное тестирование каждого подкласса во время написания. Но так как я Hunter main, я записал все отснятый материал на Hunter! Я не пытался сделать это эпическими клипами, я просто пытался получить отснятый материал в качестве примера, демонстрируя катализатор
@@paragon5186 просто на титане есть руки, которые дают бесплатный блок. То есть, можно блокировать бесконечно, и это ничуть не тратят энергию меча. Следовательно, катализатор черного когти больше подходит под него
@@denny8422 amplification adds a reload multiplier I dont know what the multiplier is but by the time an ionic trace reaches you, you already are at full ammo if it further than 3-4 meters away
That’s a flaw with centrifuse, the catalyst fixes the big issue of you always have to keep moving, now you can just sit back and relax with full charge for one full magazine, people don’t expect it in crucible
Polaris lance catalyst C rank? Bruh... I would've kept it B, because it not about damage, it about crowd control The catalyst is actually great against trash mobs, maybe a little bit more damage against harder mobs when hit with dragonfly But even then, it about crowd control not damage
@@sabiant.lawson2909 you have to consider what it adds to the gun, at base dragonfly was never that good of a perk, there is a reason why you don’t see it on new guns anymore. My testing showed me that whatever damage dragonfly provided actively took away from chaining perfect fifth scorching to the point where it was simply better to not hit the enemy in the head with the perfect fifth so dragonfly didn’t ruin the chain reaction
im suprised you put touch of malice catalyst that high considering that rapid hit is a really dumb perk to put on a weapon whos whole thing is not reloading it
One thing I will say for audio mixing is that the music in the background is overwhelming what you are saying and I find it hard to hear, the quality of information from this video is great but I just can’t hear you speak over the music
My biggest challenge as a creator has always been audio balancing, I just don’t have the ear for it. So it sounds good pre tender but post tender the peaks and valleys are inconsistent
simple question : why cant EVERY exotic weapon be awesome? why are only a handful viable and the rest trash? MAKE DESTINY FUN AGAIN - beef up the weak exotics, boost sub classes so they are all viably awesome. Nothing needs changing visually juat change in game dmg numbers to make sense. Make it make sense ! btw if Gambit were given raid like boss encounters it could be used as a boss raid test arena giving it something of value
@@paragon5186 Agreed - I can only assume Bungie has employed some of the best psychologist in gaming & gambling out there, they show a pattern of giving not quite enough - like some kind of drug dealer but that psychology only works when the "product" is "hot". Now is the time to add some incentive to play the game, and fun being one of those incentives. In the past bungie has known if we get what we want/ask for, will want more hence the "just enough" treatment but times have changed so let us go out on a bang, prismatic is a sign of that and they have said they're looking at a handful of exotic weapons but it maybe 6 months too late for this open the flood gates manoeuvre. Where's skimmers? Final Shape should have been the intro to lofty announcements of great things ahead ... instead layoffs? I maybe no ceo but is that not the shittiest business practice ever or are the future forecasts that bad that killing of D2 is better than developing it & a D3? I know we are all doom n gloom with the layoffs but there are still 800+ people left, thats a lot of people to maintain an already existing game. (& even enough to develop 1 or 2.) (scuse for not exactly addressing the exotics topic but its still relative.
Terraria overworld music over the witness fight is cursed
hes the moon lord
Now we waiting for Yharon boss fight in Destiny
@@-CrankyBoy- planterra crossover turns the grapple grenade into vines
@@paragon5186if terraria and destiny would have a legit cross over i would absolutely lose my shit (im a fan of both games)
@@-quantomwraith-9393 tbh i'm surprised the Ghorn isn't in calamity
I was about to mindlessly grind for an hour or two....now i have something to listen to while i do it
Thank you for your Cerberus service
Final warning catalyst is a free 10-5% damage buff which changes its body shot optimal ttk in crucible which is what its great at in pvp and i usually find myself getting nearly another full burst with it in pve due to the ammo return, idk why everyone slanders it so much easily a great catalyst and one of the best guns in the game
I did in depth testing for final warning a few weeks ago and the amount of shots to kill is still the same, it just makes it more consistent from longer range on marked tagets
it's still an admittedly awkward weapon by design. I personally love it but never fault anyone for not liking the gun, and the catalyst effectively doesn't change its, again, awkward usage
44:58 “You’ll only want head”. Damn that’s a good catalyst.. 😮
Thank you for your service.
Cerby catalyst has felt great lately.
The Forerunner Catalyst actually does have a niche synergy with Echo of Instability, granting volatile rounds to your void energy and power weapons.
Big if true
do you know if it actually gets any boost from something like verity's brow? like could i theoretically get 5 forerunner kills and throw a mega buffed frag grenade?
that was just such a solid and informative video. Especially i am a new destiny player. Would reccomend though to either turn the personal mic aux higher or turning the bgm a tad bit lower. Cheers you got a new sub
I subscribed immediately after you said "part and parcel." Nice work.
@@AdventureMonte I was just yapping but I’m glad you found it enterraining
It’s funny how Duality is talked about as a PvP shotgun, but it’s perks after mainly for PvE
A fundamentally solid weapon doesn’t need crazy exotic perks to compete, I’d argue it’s crows wing exotic perk sucks, but the dual fire slug/pellet make it so versatile
@@paragon5186 I actually live Duality in both types of content
Duality is my favorite shotgun for PvP
Minor correction but unless there was a more recent twab that I’ve missed this is how kinetic damage works. Ripped straight from the article. Gods I hate how annoying information is to find in this game.
“Kinetic damage type weapons no longer deal bonus damage to bosses; damage to other combatant tiers is unchanged.”
That’s what I was talking about when I was trying to dunk on quicksilver storm catalyst haters, it literally doesn’t matter what damage type you use in the kinetic slot anymore
Yeah I agree. It doesn’t matter that much at all.
More vault space now so just keep one of each. Ez clap.
I do now agree that no catalyst makes a gun worse, Cerberus buff was the goat
@@McRib29800 pre rework it still had its uses it was a highly specialized tool that required a deft hand to make work but for the vast majority of players they couldn’t get it to work
I think the arc shield issue describes overshields in general they go from op to non-existant so quickly in any form
Another day Im reminded that after having played the game since launch and grinding my butt off on nessus that I still do not have the sturm catalyst. Lol
And for MIDA, hey atleast No Distractions is better than what it used to have...OUTLAW ON A MAX RELOAD SPEED WEAPON
27:00 ok, i admit, this was the best part of the entire video
I’ve been waiting for someone to mention that!
Forerunner's grenade is actually really chunky and mean in PvE if you mix it with Verity's brow.
I'm also a complete freak and like the bouncy nature of the grenade.
Great video ❤
My rework for borealis catalyst would be to give it subclass equivalent aoe effects based on the element selected. Ie, incandescent, destabilizing rounds, voltshot. And have it get a handling bonus when breaking shields that match the element it currently has.
@@xosui5673 great idea adding subclass keywords
Ager's scepter taking your super is actually a better use of your super if you're using stasis warlock due to how poor it performs against bosses. There's a number of supers that would be better put to use as ager's fuel. I wish it wasn't true lmao
I remember chasing my first catalyst for the borealis and was very disappointed with it, I expected maybe debuts for each of the elements for something good but it was just reload speed
@@reaper-1 tractor cannon was my first catalyst done, I was so underleveled at the time it was the only way I could damage enemies at max tier escalation protocol
The only arguable scenario where you might not want a catalyst, and this is very situational, is with the fact that Quicksilver Storm changes from Kinetic to Strand. If you wanted to use it for equal dark and light transcendence energy, or for kinetic siphon or other mods, or with specific artifact perks, now you can’t. At the same time, obviously Strand has a ton of synergies as well, getting the tangles is a huge boon for Strand builds, and having a few Strand exotic primaries to choose from is always a good thing. There are merits to both, is all I’m saying.
thankfully its one of the guns where you can get it from collections and it doesnt have the catalyst on it
For Black Talon, do a retest but this time on a titan with Stronghold. You don't lose energy on sword blocks, so you could probably get two swings off with the bonus damage. Some catalysts do require a playstyle to use, and i think Black Talon is one of those class-focused catalysts.
Also, legend of acrius used to have only 2 in the mag normally, so it's +4 shots.
I have no idea why you insist that Outlaw is better than 4TTC on Revision Zero. You can get 6 sniper shots instead of 4, and it drastically helps in damage and racking up the charges with the base gun.
Thanks for this…I was about to grind like 60 strange coins for the bad JuJU which is just doing the devils lair for 4 coins at a time
“You will only want HEAD”
bro is a phenomenal destiny youtuber
You forgot that Prometheus lense catalyst also gives it incandescent tho
@@nate_that_one_kid8671 no matter how many times I listened to this video. I still make mistakes like that. In my notes I still considered incandescent in the ranking, in my testing it really doesn’t help much for scorch, it’s one of those “it’s there” catalysts that’s why I rank it so low
Keep up the good content 😎
The terraria music made this an S tier vid
Looks like you forgot to turn off HDR before screencapping gameplay, because this is what it looked like when I did the same thing. :s
Thanks for the rankings!
I finally turned off HDR, some other things went wrong technically, fixed where I could but it’s not perfect :(
...you're wrong about crows wing? You immediately block a shot then double tap the heavy and you get both shots off with the damage boost.
And to clarify, this is for like, big enemies. The main function is to swap to it, block a big enemy's shot and then dump a double heavy at it. Was super useful versus stuff like the frost and Strand using big things in the pale heart. Harbingers? I think.
@@sammantixgm I just don’t like putting yourself purposely in danger to get more damage since this specifically counteracts the purpose of the sword (at the time the only sword that could cast projectiles) the damage isn’t worth it compared to the danger you put yourself in
Checked video because of the thumbnail. Putting Ace catalyst in B and not D is crazy considering you put grandovertures catalyst in B tier as well. It gives it more handling, gives it more synergy with arc class, and gives it the most important upgradez utility. Ut can stun unstop champs with 5 with oen volley shot. Easily A tier
Witness damage phase: witness is very far away. Does death bringer work?
Personally I haven’t tried it, I’m sure it would work since the whole of the witness is damageable so I don’t think tracking would be an issue but deathbringer dps is not stellar
Pretty sure the Kinetic damage boost was only removed against bosses. You're still right about Quicksilver though
@@emera1d470 Lebron James
texas red been real quiet since this dropped
ticcus divination does actually one shot in crucible if you hit all three of the priming arrows (and the enemy doesnt regen)
Ybut the damage boost from the catalyst doesn’t effect that, it’s still a 2 shot, it’s just an underwhelming- but easy to prime damage buff In PVE. It’s going to one shot in PvP if you hop fire all 3 and hit the zoomed shot to detonate
@@paragon5186 huh i thought it only one shot without catalyst if you hit a resil threshold, my fault
I wanna say that Aegr's scepter's best functionality is with stasis which does not have particularly great supers (lookin at you, winter's wrath) so it could be a better usage of super meter than what the class offers
Anyone else notice how the music become overpowering a little into the video
i watched you vid in one go and i have to say you almost everwhere right but prometheus Lense is good with the cata if you play it more often on warlock it is good not as good as sunshot but its is A tier for me
love the terraria music
It would be a sin if anarchy never gets a catalyst.
@@deadlyalliance8281 wishful thinking unless scourge comes back
@@paragon5186 mhmm. Now that this game is down to the bare basics from here on out, I don't think they are going to add in anything outside of what was already planned. And we are lucky if they continue all of that as well since this game is "putting them in the red" in terms of profits.
@@deadlyalliance8281 they might one day update them back into the game but we are never getting WotM ported
@@paragon5186 nah. I don't expect much from here on out. They kinda created their own demise with this one.
Broo 5:31 🤝🏻🤌🏻🤌🏻🤌🏻🤌🏻
@@yan_i_5737 I forgor I had a GL 💀💀💀
8:00 мечи надо на титане испытывать, а не на охотнике
Я провел обширное тестирование каждого подкласса во время написания. Но так как я Hunter main, я записал все отснятый материал на Hunter! Я не пытался сделать это эпическими клипами, я просто пытался получить отснятый материал в качестве примера, демонстрируя катализатор
@@paragon5186 просто на титане есть руки, которые дают бесплатный блок. То есть, можно блокировать бесконечно, и это ничуть не тратят энергию меча. Следовательно, катализатор черного когти больше подходит под него
A lot of these weaker pve exotics just need more ammo in reserves to be useful
Question: how does Amplified give Delicate Tomb nearly 100 Reload from a 48 stat?
@@denny8422 amplification adds a reload multiplier I dont know what the multiplier is but by the time an ionic trace reaches you, you already are at full ammo if it further than 3-4 meters away
@@paragon5186 Amped only does reload stuff on Arc Hunter with Lethal Current I thought. At base it only really gives Handling and Mobility iirc
5:35 я не сразу понял, что это музыка из террарии 😂😂
Я не говорю по-русски, мой друг, но я рад, что вы смогли послушать музыку и получить удовольствие!
The fact you lose the perk on reload with centrifuse makes even the catalyst pointless.
That’s a flaw with centrifuse, the catalyst fixes the big issue of you always have to keep moving, now you can just sit back and relax with full charge for one full magazine, people don’t expect it in crucible
@@paragon5186 fair
Polaris lance catalyst C rank? Bruh...
I would've kept it B, because it not about damage, it about crowd control
The catalyst is actually great against trash mobs, maybe a little bit more damage against harder mobs when hit with dragonfly
But even then, it about crowd control not damage
@@sabiant.lawson2909 you have to consider what it adds to the gun, at base dragonfly was never that good of a perk, there is a reason why you don’t see it on new guns anymore. My testing showed me that whatever damage dragonfly provided actively took away from chaining perfect fifth scorching to the point where it was simply better to not hit the enemy in the head with the perfect fifth so dragonfly didn’t ruin the chain reaction
@@paragon5186bold endings has it
im suprised you put touch of malice catalyst that high considering that rapid hit is a really dumb perk to put on a weapon whos whole thing is not reloading it
stability
“Schturrrrrm” highlight of my day thank you 😂 1:01:00
He temporarily turned into Vergil
One thing I will say for audio mixing is that the music in the background is overwhelming what you are saying and I find it hard to hear, the quality of information from this video is great but I just can’t hear you speak over the music
My biggest challenge as a creator has always been audio balancing, I just don’t have the ear for it. So it sounds good pre tender but post tender the peaks and valleys are inconsistent
Btw hierarchy is only good with the caty, so it should be higher
Eh
@paragon5186 ik what you are saying by the bow just being kinda ass. But it makes an f tier weapon b maby a tier
Not the terraria background music 😂 almost gives me ptsd
@@Barlos-med the witness is the moon lord
Bro I’m just trying to learn about the catalysts why you gotta be roasting Chet holmgren in a destiny video of all places😔
@@daltonrapp8163 I forgot where did I make that joke???
@ quicksilver storm lol! I recently been grinding it and finally got the catalyst for it so I thought “hey let’s check in and see how good it is!”
simple question : why cant EVERY exotic weapon be awesome? why are only a handful viable and the rest trash? MAKE DESTINY FUN AGAIN - beef up the weak exotics, boost sub classes so they are all viably awesome. Nothing needs changing visually juat change in game dmg numbers to make sense. Make it make sense !
btw if Gambit were given raid like boss encounters it could be used as a boss raid test arena giving it something of value
@@AuralVirus I would rather everything be overpowered tbh, when I talk about catalysts they should be used to fix what makes an exotic underwhelming
@@paragon5186 Agreed - I can only assume Bungie has employed some of the best psychologist in gaming & gambling out there, they show a pattern of giving not quite enough - like some kind of drug dealer but that psychology only works when the "product" is "hot". Now is the time to add some incentive to play the game, and fun being one of those incentives. In the past bungie has known if we get what we want/ask for, will want more hence the "just enough" treatment but times have changed so let us go out on a bang, prismatic is a sign of that and they have said they're looking at a handful of exotic weapons but it maybe 6 months too late for this open the flood gates manoeuvre.
Where's skimmers?
Final Shape should have been the intro to lofty announcements of great things ahead ... instead layoffs? I maybe no ceo but is that not the shittiest business practice ever or are the future forecasts that bad that killing of D2 is better than developing it & a D3? I know we are all doom n gloom with the layoffs but there are still 800+ people left, thats a lot of people to maintain an already existing game. (& even enough to develop 1 or 2.)
(scuse for not exactly addressing the exotics topic but its still relative.
The way you pronounce effigy actually hurts me