Build Order Innovation On Platinum Level Leaves Me Speechless! | Is It Imba Or Do I Suck
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
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"It's important that you do not morph them into archons, though" *shifts screen to show 2 archons morphing*
XD
Do you have a time stamp?
@@user-cm1nf6lh9w 12:48 onwards
XD what incredible timing, I love archons that’s why I morph them
When I watched the 2 archons forming there the video stuttered and then an ad popped up. That's how much Harstem hated those archons
@@jakemertens1382 I have premium so it was continuous but Harstem still had like a few milliseconds of shock and then kept his face straight and continued the lecture haha
"Your wall at the natural is also a work of art, in that it serves no real purpose" - Harstem
Artists around the world: :o
In art of not serving any real purpose 🤔
Well, the real purpose of art (as in paintings) in the modern day is to divert money from stupid rich people back into the economy.
For an artist that's a compliment
Hey, that's me! For added context, this was a practice game between myself and a community member of ours. He wanted some roach hydra practice and I'm D1 so I wasn't playing my best as you can tell haha. Kenosua also happens to have won our gold and under touney a month ago. VoDs are on my channel if you care to watch. Sorry for my Evo placement Harstem ;)
Gg
Tell us about your concept
Honestly this was one of my best PVZ match if you don’t believe it or not xD
@@LuminaryPhoenix very goose, much purple
@@PGooseGaming Mind-blowing, thank you
I love how in the imba report, it was written "breedlords", not "broodlords". I can't dude 😂
Sucking aside, seeing a protoss be so unbothered by creep is triggering. BURN IT, DAMMIT!
No I love creep can’t burn it
"Creep OP!"
"Have you... tried destroying it at all?"
"No it is OP and so I got scared"
@@abdulmasaiev9024I was going to draw a connection between this and peacocks but I wasn’t smart enough to figure it out. I leave this behind in the hopes that a person greater than myself can figure it out.
I love how Kenosua saw this game and his reaction is "ultras&lurkers are OP".
At first I thought this is from the chinese server when Harstem was reading the complaint form. Thanks for making me smile NA. Never change.
He's Singaporean ^^
^^
@@PGooseGaming kenosua was blindly following a build order 🤭🤭 don't tell him i said that
badly ^
@@zUwUzz what you say about me
Most literate NA player
He's Singaporean ^^
@@PGooseGaming most Singaporeans don't even speak/type that badly unless they are over 40 years old...
I legit thought this was a Chinese replay at first.
My brain failed when I read this title and I thought "why is innovation in platinum league"
That was such an early GG. His position was 5x more playable than half the positions that people recover from in IODIS.
That guys creep spread was great, but I'm sure if Protoss EVER worked on pushing it back they would have to give up the creep or start failing on their macro cycles since they were only plat
Thanks :) I was working on keeping 2 queens active if he pushed it back. Honestly he was just gold so he's progressing pretty well
@@PGooseGaming dude, teach me! the whole map covered in creep at 8 minute mark is insane
@@abyrvalg_ I might make a video about this tbh, lots of people have asked...
16:00 this is some of the best quality coaching and strategic breakdown I've seen in a video. Explaining the counter-intuitive but correct decision of retreating after a major victory to re-asses their re-max composition and counter it is really fantastic content.
12:00 it's not a bug. It's a feature. It was intended to not be able to spread creep through the middle of those fan. I remembered i heard it from somewhere (might be Lowko) that the fans on the side of the spot somehow someway prevent creep from spawning on the path
new protoss unit: mobile fan!
new protoss build order: only fans
11:57 its actually intended the little robot cleans the area so well that creep cant manifest on the ground
It honestly boggled my mind how it was possible to lose the game after his first attack.
He could have won without building a single other unit or mining another mineral.
But then we see 3 afk archons and 2 afk Collosus attacking a hatch.
All you had to do to win was just have any micro whatsoever. A bronze AI would have won this one
Sorry man I was busy producing my warp prism and disruptor for a drop + adding more gateways at my main base. This is why I am in plat xD
@@aden5k Don't use disruptor at this level, this is way too hard. Just use zealot immortal archon, this is fine and super easy to micro. Focus on always producing units and upgrades. Your goal is to win before 10 min, so you will never see any broodlord. And if you see broodlord, just attack in another spot, for example you attack in the bottom, go to the top, and he can't follow you, he is too slow.
@@aden5k You needed to do a simple move command to consolidate your army together at 17:00 before taking the second engagement against hydra, you feed your army piecemeal when the whole point is to be a deathball.
@OreO He used a disruptor shot at the last engage and almost killed one of his Archons with this :D
The way you actually look at the entire complaint and decipher the important points, makes me think you'd be better than 95% of doctors
This. When this game first came out, I hardly won any matches. Then I started watching pro plays and the most common thing I noticed was the constant scouting. I started doing the same and went up a few leagues. In war, the difference between winning and losing is having up-to-date information or a lack there-of.
I have watched so many serral games and after three and a half years have finally started learning the timing of sending an overlord for a scout and keeping an eye on the opponent.
This was the greatest video of the series so far. Thanks for the great content and awesome laughter we all need in these stressful times
4:33 🎵 if lings show up on your side of the map,
you take them out with your adept. 🎵
i'm pretty sure the concept of "retreating" is not in the arsenal of bronze to plat players
or picking the correct fight for that matter as well
It's starting in plat tbh, but this guy is at the bottom of platinum, which is the level of straight average players and where we start to play Starcraft and not really odd cheese and all from gold and below.
@@ArtyMcMuffin I learnt how to retreat just now xD, I would say I am average for plat but not bottom that’s basically gold. Sorry if I don’t know how to retreat just started this game a month ago, anyway I learnt a lot from here
Good advice and perfect add timing "it's important you don't merge these into Archons though" boom advert just as i see the start of the merge
"We're living in the real world" as we watch a game being played in a sci-fi universe.
hey daniel, what did you use today?
One of my favorite SCII vids I've watched in a min. As a toss main it's informative but also entertaining to see the game broken down this way. Thanks!
I was kinda amazed at the creep spread. 12:15
If my Mom watched Starcraft, PurpleGoose would be her favorite player.
Damn straight
This guy is not IMBA cause zerg. He is imba cause he is a Goose. Have you seen how dangerous a goose is IRL? They are machines of death. Ofc he stomps on inferior human.
He's not just any goose, he's a PURPLE goose, that gives him +5 damage to his peck attack.
@@SchemingGoldberg yeah man the goose was too good for me, purple goose + purple Zerg no way I am winning this. He wanted to fill the entire map with purple
Perfect timing on the upload for my early lunch break!
2:00
An eclipse, captitano.
This is the perfect example of making things more complicated than you have too. He wasn’t playing CIA he was playing collosi - disriptor - storm- stalker with CIA while the Zerg built units he could a move plus a few spellcasters he could focus on. Then he built the hard counter to Protoss ground in the broodlord but the Zerg kept it simple. This dude was trying to micro multiple different texh units including disrupters in a prism. He made the game so hard for himself pulled himself in so many different directions. If he just built pure CIA with double or triple robo this was an easy win.
Making things more complex when you don’t have to and can’t handle it is an easy way to lose against what’s ostensibly a suboptimal comp.
Yeah that was my mistake, I just wanted to push myself to learn how to use 2 spell casters, regretted it instantly
Protoss had 110 supply of units in the last battle. 5 colossi and 3 disruptor which did not contribute a single thing in that battle. 5 or so templars which did nothing until he lost that fight...
And he built like 30 stalkers through out the game, which I'm convinced did nothing as well.
Imagine being protoss, having DOUBLE your zerg opponents worker count for almost ten minutes, and still losing because you absolutely detest micro XD
Imagine being zerg, still winning despite being an absolute brainlet at strategy. Just google a few plans to switch between, pound them into your muscle memory and be quick, that's all it takes. No thinking required whatsoever.
At his rank, it's really nice to see him knowing to prioritize macro over micro. What's not nice to see is him picking a micro heavy composition and then not microing. If you don't look at your army during engagements, probably not the best idea to build disruptors.
We need to get hold of the purple goose so he can send the same game to Harstem. 😂
Haha I should
The complaint at some points felt like the NA caveman was having a stroke
@1:43 Solar Eclipse 👌🏾
@2:08 Flamingo 🦩
"3 50 year old showing up the museum with a discount card" - from across the channel you know how European that sounds
Harr-dee-harr, but that Kenosua guy was right about a lot of stuff. For example, when you switch from zerg to protoss, one of the first things you realize is just how blind 'toss are, and how important scouting is. As a zerg, you just spread creep, it's free, permastealthed and eternal unless destroyed. As a protoss, your only option is units - and all units, but especially protoss, are expensive AND supply heavy - or hallucinations, which time out, while zergs don't need to _maintain_ their field of view in any way.
You were lookjng for the phrase "Solar Eclipse".
My biggest Weakness is something I don't think I can stop doing.. and that's Watching the Fights XD.... I love watching the fights... and seeing armies clash..... I Don't like to harrass...somehow it just feels bad.... like a back stab or something.... I rarely attack mineral lines... it just feels like I'm going for a kick in the nuts... I've Always Preferred Just Building My Army Than depending on my opponents lay out ... choose a type of assault... sometimes I death ball... other times I split and try for a flank... sometimes I do triple pronged assaults... Sometimes ill Build Forward Fortification and blockade while macroing .... But I just Love the Big Fight ... and Defeating my opponent directly
Colossus, natural predator of hatcheries.
The word choices, entitlement, their antics, use of hyperbole and naming sense (such as Papa Harstem) indeed screams that of a NA caveman.
Thanks for the laugh, Harstem and also Kenosua for putting yourself out there for us.
EDIT: Had to add "entitlement" nothing attributes to NA players more than than being the most that reeks of entitlement.
Thanks man, sorry for the horrible English just added that for fun. Anyway I live in Singapore so I am
Not American sadly?. Thanks for watching this video, I had a blast when the comments are roasting me
The word I think you are looking for is Eclipse. I know the Afrikaans for it :- verduistering so that may be similar to the Dutch word you are thinking of.
The Evo Chamber... the cleaning bot was probably in the way
Aircraft museums would have planes with pylons on the wings.
That creep spread is better than Serrals for real...
It's easy when you don't macro haha
@@PGooseGaming Oh shit the Purple Goose in the flesh. Even so that was good creep spread
@@haste953 thanks Haste!
To be fair. The Zerg was smurfing hard on this one. At 9 Minutes basically 70% of the map was covered in creep. At 3k MMR zerg players place 3 tumors and call it a day.
The zerg was also never above 60ish workers, and then stayed on 30 for a very long time. I wouldn't be so quick to call smurfing, but maybe that's just me.
Never underestimate the sheer force of plat league autism. I can attest to this
Thats my zerg at d1 half the games I have 3 tumors myself
4100ish with zerg, I play all 3 races usually. I played zerg in WoL and played it again cause I missed spreading creep. This was supposed to be a practice game for him vs roach hydra so I ended up putting a bit of focus on other things. I don't think a 3k zerg would transition / use vipers much. Kenosua did very well this game.
It's like the protoss player doesn't control their units at all during the big fights, literally 1 a move somewhere and then it's a movie
So I suspect that the reason why the Protoss got so aggressive is because they killed quite a few Overlords and that obviously would supply block the Zerg for some time before they could hatch new Overlords to replace the ones lost so you can make the argument that because they killed these Overlords even with the Vipers themselves still being alive thus still a threat to the Protoss army itself, because the Zerg were supply blocked even if they wanted to replace the loses within that army or even reinforce it with more units they wouldn't be able too so the Protoss player decided that it might have been a good time to try and go for the knockout punch.
Purple also loves lalos alter ego on better call Saul, de gooseman
I think the protoss player never fired a single distruptor shot, just a-moved them into the zerg army
It's because zerg get cheesed by people who suck but end up with wins. It's all fair, but it results in zerg being held back, and when they can finally beat the cheeses they are better than most of the other players who got farther than they should because they mastered one low-skill cheese like cannon or bunker rush.
To be fair to keno suba, he had killed a load of overlords, so he was probably pretty confident that the zerg couldn't remax.
The sudden inability to micro anything on the front was stupid. Even if he did stop proper macro and lost the warp prism, the army he had won the fight with was more than capable of closing out the game. But no, he did nothing, threw away an army, and bassically just ended up with having a max supply advantage.
If you think a species is OP and you are not playing that species, what does that say about your IQ?
Haha, i have thought about this a lot, but in the context of pro players whining.
If your JOB is to maximize your wins, your JOB! Not your hobby or whatever, but the way you make money... WHY wouldn't you play the most imba shit you can find?
Is it only Scarlett that is changing race sometimes? :)
Anyway all this was a joke expect for the lurkers part, I don’t know why you are taking this video Soo seriously xD
You've got a new title papa Harstem god of Protoss
the Zerg is doing this whit his tech buildings to make it easier to keep track of i think its a good way if you cant keep track of where you placed them
Feel better Harstem.
moon question: solar eclipse
I often win games as Zerg where I feel the opponent should send it in to Harstem 😂
I need to know more about this Purple Goose, of clan Purple Goose who has a logo of a purple goose
Hi.
@@PGooseGaming oh shit!
wasn't it a thing to put like 50 hydras in overlords and go drop them in SC1? I wonder if someone can win like that in BGMWSS
thanks for still posting hope you feel better soon bro!
1:42 Eclipse is the word for it in English
Still no pics for form.
It always amuses me these people that send a complaint whilst having very clearly used Google translate and that probably can't even understand Harstem's response.
I dont think he has. He talks a lot in a discord im in. Or he uses translate on every message
@@MadMan-7978 either way he's clearly not very good at English
@@cobble3231 yup
This is from NA, but Harstem apparently has a decent audience in China, and people reupload his videos with translated subtitles, so it's fair to assume this is the case for other non-English speaking countries as well.
Uhh I didn’t use a translator btw, I just wrote this for fun and just write whatever pop up from my brain. Wonder my essay got a 54% rating
If you publish a book with all your analogies I will buy at least 1!
Didn't use the disruptors once!!
He should not be getting high templars + disruptors, it's literally a waste of money. I dont think a single disruptor activated a single ball this entire game! + the templars stormed wayyy too late
Yeah well... I got to 3k with Protoss by exclusively playing proxy void rays in PvT and PvP but macroing in PvZ. I had no real build orders, like this guy, I just knew what I hate to play against as Terran. In this sense, getting chargelots, stalkers, 8 archons, few immortals and colossi + observers and you can't literally lose on this level with A-move. This dude just actually confirmed Protoss is broken.
"Roach/hydra/viper not good at all but somehow won???" Loses to 5+ broodlords with colossus immortal disruptor army lmao
Eclipse is the word you are looking for
The funny thing is that eclipse is also the Dutch word for it.
@@akva1214 lol, harstem is afraid of cognates
After seeing purplegoose in the latest iodis and then seeing this and his comment below it's really obvious why this game was a loss as there is a massive skillgap here regardless of playing preferred race.
me: also a platinum protoss and seeing all the mistakes this protoss player makes (being too shy to attack and losing the mind game to a tech switch) "haha, I do that"
edit: but seriously, maybe using the stargate wouldn't have hurt since brood lords can't shoot up and everything on the ground melts hydras
At least you have self-awareness! Usually these comments are filled with "I'm Platinum too, why can't I ever get guys this easy?" When in reality they ARE the guys that are this easy.
Consistent scouting and/or pressure would've alerted him to the broodlord switch and allowed him to get some Stargates up. Even from the point where he GG'd he could easily get some DT / Zealot runbys going on to keep the Zerg occupied while he got up to an army that could counter this. BLords are slow.
You can get 100 supply as Protoss by having 50 warp gates
Did you see any disruptor shots the entire game, because i didn`t ? Maybe the protoss player doesn`t know the disruptor has manual fire only.
Did he EVER pressed purification nova this game ? if not i wonder why he would build them anyways
Dont think so. The first two were put inside a warp prism that he moved straight into hydras and the next three were moved into brood lords. Next level meta.
16:58 look at the top of the screen! :P
@@Natsukashy There you go, zerg IS imba :-)
You are hilarious. Very fun video! Keep it up!
5:25 Harstem pls LMAO
"3 fifty year olds with discount cards" I can't stop laughing!
Eclipse is when the moon blocks the sun
papa harstem
The word is eclipse, Kevin.
That creep spread was actually disgusting
the moment i heared "zerg is too overpowered" i laughed so loud, i think i woke up ppl around me xD
“Papa Harstem God of Protoss”
This protoss must be a Terran player in disguise.
Apparently Disruptors are A-move units.
As a zerg player at 3k in NA, this protoss guy doesnt really get how ez he has it
in the metal leagues all you really have to do is built mutas to auto win against protoss. defending mutas takes way more effort than blind building them and flying them between mineral lines
This was my best and hardest match, for PVZ, it was not easy for me at all
build 4 archons to your army, and go basetrade amove win ?
Damn. My friend made it. Lol
Kenosua is a beast
purple goose def likes lean
Sizzurp
23 minutes in and no disrupt or shots were shot
"I went CIA (Chargelot Immortal Archon) this game..."
builds Robo facility into Colossi before warping in a single Templar. Also build what 8-10 Stalkers? hmmm. Not sure i'm familiar with that approach to CIA but perhaps I'm out of the loop here
It is cia just add on stalkers and Colo and disruptor to counter roach/hydra comp + he had vipers so had to go stalkers
@@aden5k "add on stalkers" means they would come afterward. They came well before that. Add on Colossi? Then it's not CIA. This was not a planned build this was building semi random shit until they remembered what they were supposed to be doing. Just plain CIA would have crushed, especially with storms
@@gam1ngfr3ak I just go with what’s the most optimal solution for Zerg against roach/hydra I would always use it, and I see to be working
Sun behind the moon = ecplise
Just got to lunch. Hell yeah!
In silver Zerg is the easiest dub as Protoss.
If this zerg knew how to make drones he might even be a rank or two higher... It would have been very easy for him
made it 20 seconds in....my mans never heard of a stargate
Haha 1A entertainment. I suck aswell but I don't write letters to Kevin. Maybe I should.
eclipse , solar or lunar
Also i did not see a SINGLE disruptor shot
The question I have is: is terran overpowered vs terran?? 😆👌
You're a content MACHINE!
How is this platinum??? I could never get up there and Im not this dumb, duh what's this black thing on the floor in my third? O well, leave it alone... 5 minutes later: Maphacks!!
Duh, 8 broodlords, what do? No retreat, no recall, A move on hatcheries... IMBA!!
Jesus, Harstems use of the grammar when it comes to the colossi triggers me so much. Singular: colossus, plural: colossi.
Example: This colossus dealt a lot of damage. These colossi dealt a lot of damage.
Especially Colossis just hurts my head.
colossuses is grammatically correct.
@@henningbreede6428 It is, but the singular "colossi" which Harstem uses all the time is not. Moreover, I think "colossi" sounds nicer than "colossuses", but that is just my opinion.