My theory would be: An enormous organism that will project the shadow of the warp to the entire galaxy, closing all warp rifts, disabling all communication, make interstellar travel impossible
But aren't the necrons doing the exact same? In the book indomitus they are literally going system by system installing null beacons closing the warp entirely.
Tyranid Hive fleets are essentially scout fleets as is mentioned in a previous Tyranids codex. Not even a recon in force. Just scouts. So the main force is likely hundreds if not thousands of times larger than all these hive fleets. So scouts placing a large becon to bring in the rest of their race makes sense.
They're either trying to create a Gavemind type thing or they're (crazily enough) trying to build their own God within the warp, a chaos God of Hunger.
@@laziestbones5989 they at the very least feel anger as they went after the BAs for revenge, also, the structure seems to be emanating "psychic energy", the souls of their victims? Plus, who's to say the mind controlling the swarm doesn't have emotions/intellect?
@@Crimson_Loki true but I think anyone strong enough to create a race that's infinite hunger already and has a pretty dark side already needs then to create another god of hunger would be pointless to me as no one will do it better than them selfs and the realms of chaos would most definitely fall I just don't see them doing this
My guess is that it’s probably something like a beacon or a teleportation hub. That seems to fit the Tyranid battle strategy. Either that or it’s the egg for the biggest Tyranids the galaxy has ever had the displeasure of having to exterminatus
It's not a teleporter. Why would the Tryanids want to teleport past their lunch? Better to eat their way through the galaxy. We know that the Hive Fleet travel above and below the galaxies plane already, so there is no need for them to invent something to get over the Cicatrix Maledictum when they can do so already. If those units of the Tiamet were found in 5th Edition, then they were there before the great storm. Maybe not a beacon but some means of allowing more Tyranids to travel quicker to reach the Galaxy, since it's on the western side where most of the Hive fleets come from.
@@SirKanti1 I mean it could still be a teleporter. Having a hub to send hive fleets directly to planets they want, skipping over necron, or demon worlds is a pretty smart thing for them to do. Imagine, instead of having to fight your way through the 500 worlds, just teleport a hive fleet on Macragges doorstep. Or hell, teleport a half dozen of them in the Sol system. Let’s them skip over potentially ludicrous biomass loss while taking out strategic planets to help buckle the rest of the galaxy
Probably preparing for the Hive Mind itself to manifest in our galaxy. I always pictured that somewhere out there in whichever galaxy the Tyranids originate from there's an Overmind type of creature that is the physical vessel for the Hive Mind. Maybe the Tyranids transport or grow a new Overmind creature once they've established a foothold in each galaxy. The presence of this creature might be used to spread the shadow of the warp effect across the whole galaxy. That would pretty much be a win condition for the Tyranids. Everyone would be screwed except the Necrons.
except the necron are susceptible to psychic power (which is why the Eldari and the precursors to the Orks were created by the Old Ones) and if this is a giant psychic beacon/brings the Hivemind embodied (which would be a psychic entity that would be so close to the Emperor's Power it would be insane).... Then the necron's would be screwed too
@@taten-jinmu718 not really, since the orks and eldar only work against the necrons because they were handcrafted by the old ones to fight them. The Tyranids have no showing of psychic power that tells me that alone would be a threat to the necrons. The Tyranids tend to avoid the necrons, given that in most aspects they hard counter the space bugs and almost cost more to fight than can be gained by winning. Hell, Trazyn was even able to put a splinter fleet in stasis for a bit, and that’s him just being a curious dude trying to build a dope museum. A fully awakened necron race geared for war with the Tyranids is more than a match for the hive mind. There’s a reason why they aren’t a United race, and fight eachother more than anyone else rn. Because if they were unified there’s no justification for them not curbstomping the galaxy
If someone with a track record of Silent King encounters something so terrifying that e abandons his travels and makes a bee line back home to prepare for it you should be very worried of what's coming.
Right. The silent king is the necron equivalent to the emperor. Him hauling ass back to the Milky Way tells me he sees the coming Tyranid threat as equal too or greater than the Eldar Empire at their peak. There is something out in the void between galaxies that worries the silent king more than anything else, and anything capable of that should terrify the rest of us
To be honest my first impression from you're initial description of it, and how it killed all those Aeldari, and the Librarian... was that it was some kind of Tyranid Pylon.
I believe this is what's going to finally pull the attention of chaos towards the Tyranids. Which might be GW's way of finally balancing the Tyranids, especially since they're easily the most dominant faction lore wise.
Could also be the opposite. Tyranids starting to focus on Chaos. I'd imagine that the Warp cutting off half of the Galaxy would be... somewhat "problematic" for the Nids.
One possibility is a that the device is meant to project the Shadow in the Warp over a large area. If it could cover an entire segmentum-size area, that would be a hammer blow to Imperium Nihilus.
Came here to say this. But also, the shadow in the warp "flattens" the warp for lack of a better term. What if this is the hivemind's attempt to make their own impression on the immaterium?
I think it could be one of 2 things. 1. It could be a huge synapse beacon, so that everything in its range (assuming it is still growing) is in synapse always. Being more unified for the goal. (I think the splinter fleet of tiamet was one a test to see range. And/or they wanted to start building a second base/pylon in a different area. 2. They are building their own black pylon like the necrons to shut down the chaos rift.
Here is a fun angle to take - what if its in accuaetly some kind or egg or incubation chamber and its is being described as a structure because its hard to comprehend the scale of such a thing. Could they be creating some kind of anti-psycher/warp boss unit that has an epic long build time, which is why it requires an entire hive fleet to defend it while it gestates?
i was looking forward to this . stille a fanboy of Hydra tough personally i like to think of this hive fleet as the engineering corp . the one who build positions in bridgeheads or defensive positions in retreat zones , or simply build positions for superweapons on the back lines . their purpose do not seems to be selfish . they might be the first proof that the tyranids arent acting like brainless moths but more like an army that have started taking this war seriously .
Interesting theories, for my part I remembered that pretty much all the nyds have from ships to tanks are living things.... So whatever they are building it would be fun if it just got up and left, letting humanity and the eldar to wonder where did a continent ran off to.
It would be nice to get some more insight on the Tyranids in lore. Who's controlling them, where they come from, do they have any motivations other than devouring, are they being chased by a more dangerous threat or who made them? Something.
@@MineTurtleLover565 Not asking for all the answers. But after over 3 decades of nids we still know nothing. Getting atleast one of these answered would be awesome.
I partially agree. While more information would be very awesome, the bits that we got (like the Hive Mind feeling anger towards the Blood Angels) also made them feel less like the consuming nightmare they are (in my mind). It is a tightrope act that GW has to play, where not enough wil always leave us dissatisfied, but too much could be disappointing. For me they are the coolest being like the Aliens in the movies, just completely animalisic and not understandable from our point of view, only there to consume. But I can understand that others would like to have more background info. What I would love the most is a novel written from the perspective of the Tyranids, perhaps similar to The Bees from Laline Paull.
I think it's either a beacon or a Teleportation for those fleets that are coming to the Galaxy are the most likely. If it's a weapon then that's scarry for the rest of the Galaxy.
I mean, if they’re building some massive super-organism, it’s probably some kind of command node or mobile, living planet to better coordinate hive fleets or it’s their version of a tyranid Pharos to draw in more fleets from outside the galaxy.
@@Amatsaru29 yeah I was kind of thinking something like that it would kind of make sense since they have already eaten space Marines and space Marines have a small percentage of The emperor's DNA.
Makes sense, the empire has the God emperor, the orks have Mork and Gork, the Eldari has Ynnead, the chaos legions have the chaos gods, necrons the silent king and Tau the Ethereals all of them are either gods or being above the rest, is about time we have some sort of gravemind for the Tyranids and bring horror and desolation to the galaxy
My theory is that its a form a beacon to their creators to either say that they have established a foot hold within the galaxy or to create a larger relay for the hive mind so that they can start to coordinate all the fleets in a more dangerous manner. I will admit that the former relies on my theory that the old ones created the tyranids to be true however. My theory is that the old ones realised that their initial creations accidently started to create a greater threat for them (chaos) than they initially anticipated, so when they fled they created a new race that would evolve and wipe out their initial creations as well as their old enemies.
Could be an egg, or maybe some kind of a beacon, but not on the basis you explained. It would envelop the whole imperium in the shadow of the warp, just like necrons wanted but this will be much scarier.
Thanks to the Cain books we know that there is more then one Hive mind. Hive fleets fight if the come across each other unexpectedly. Its possible that its a node type system. Hive minds of equal power fight, and a stronger one just suppresses the other. Regardless we know that its not just one constant mind.
My personal thought: I would guess that the tyranids value DNA above all else. I think the tyranids were after the blood angle's primarck, is his body not held on Baal? what could they do with the genetics of the angle. Could the real reason for their attack on the ultra-marines home-world have been to get Robert Gulliman's DNA?
Personally, my thoughts are going towards it being a structure to bring the Hive mind or a huge fleet to the galaxy or it will a way to break through the tear in the galaxy to create a stable corridor through it so they can harvest both sides of the galaxy and weaken Chaos in one swoop.
Well, if memory serves correctly - and maybe I'm recalling info that's out of date or people's beliefs - the Nids where actually already on their way to this galaxy, if not in fact present in it (albeit with Scout Forces), before the Pharos Beacon was overloaded, and even before the Cicatrix Maledictum cut off half the galaxy the Astronomicon didn't actually reach all the way out of the galaxy at all in the first place. Which I think is kinda backed up given different Hive Fleets have come in from different angles, suggesting they already surrounded the galaxy. Still Tiamet's very unusual behaviour is definitely something to be concerned about, the Hive mind explores all manner of approaches and given everyone in the 40K universe relies on psychic powers for travel and communication... if it's some form of counter to the warp, it could be VERY bad news.
It be a crazy if it’s a type of hive mind beacon that “boosts the signal” connecting them all into a gravemind , or if the nids we see are only “ scouts” and the main force is waiting for a signal of they found more
Tiamet system is a jump point/beach head for incoming Tyranid fleets that's calling the tendrils in, as well as since they are also growing food/Bio mass as a fuel source to replenish expanded Bio mass from such long journeys.
A beacon would make sense. Idk the moment you said giant cone, I immediately thought of an ant hill. This could possibly be a new strategy of creating fortresses and slowly spreading much like the Imperium do for example. Just a thought
@@RayFog1 A lot of that because Tyranids store the genetics of their prey as well. Seems very "Old oneish" to preserve the genetics of races for later?
Could it be some kind of queen cocoon thing? Something further up the food chain that only comes about over such long time periods that we haven't seen it before? It would be a way for GW to bring a new model onto the board.
We all know what it is... the tyranids are in fact making a massive arena to play Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roulette-Fourth Dimensional-Hypercube-Chess-Strip Poker with the emperor of course :)
my theory is pretty similar to the 'this is a solution to chaos' but a little more broad in the sense that I think the hive mind is realizing this galaxy, while teeming with life and resources, is sort of a huge pain in the ass and has multiple antagonistic races that it loses it's greatest advantage against (chaos and necrons, for instance as well as presumably ctan and other 'gods') that it can't eat and replenish. We see Kronos, the dedicated anti-chaos fleet, tuned specifically for that and leviathan staking out territory for kronos to eat. So I think Tiamet is basically serving as the logistics fleet. The hive mind is recognizing it has to dig in for a bit of a long haul and the nomadic deep space fleets trickling in aren't necessarily going to be the best play. Maybe it's a good idea to get some property and build a little bit of a farm to keep its access to resources up and consistent for whatever it has planned. No clue what the spire they're making could be, given that Kronos, again, is going out of its way to attack chaos, and is being supported by other fleets, it totally could be more of that. Maybe it's a big 5g tower for the hive mind. Maybe it's so the hive mind can maintain a bit of continuity as insurance or increase its range. Maybe it's just a defensive structure to let the hive mind defend its farm. If it's mimicking the astronomicon and the golden throne my thought is that it's probably less for navigation purposes and more as a rival sort of psychic amplifying device, which would make it like the 4th faction that has some sort of ersatz golden throne
An important thing to consider is just when they began to build this thing. Depending on the circumstances in the galaxy at that point might shed more light on what it is and why it is being built
What if its something to super disrupt the warp or warp travel. Some kind of immense shadow in the warp. They've learned that these chaos monsters and this power various races have is tied to the warp. So they are building something to turn them off, scramble, take away one of the only things thats keeping them from consuming everything.
My thought is it's a giant synapse relay. One of their few weaknesses is requiring synapse creatures to control their massive amount of smaller units, imagine if they didn't need that. Imagine if genestealers didn't need to make a beacon for a tendril to find the world. Even the death of Nornqueen might not be enough to stop a fleet at that point.
I think what might give a clue is to what their doing is who Tiamat was in mythology, the embodiment of the primordial sea from which the gods where first born. Their building gods.... or demigods 😉
My theory, in addition to the extra-galactic beacon, teleporter, and null field theories, was that they were creating an entirely new Tyranid hive mind entity. A child, if you will, native to this galaxy. We still don’t know how much of the hive mind works. What if the pre-seeding of bio forms in the Tiamet system was the first stage in the growth of a new mind or personality? So, very much like a gravemind, but in its early stages. Unlike a gravemind, it would be a new entity with a new galaxy sized body to grow into... Every hive fleet, disregarding the millions or billions of bio forms in each have been tendrils or probes. The galaxy has yet to be outright attacked em masse by Tyranids. This is what might be the catalyst to the “main event.”
If its a psychic beacon to project a shadow in the warp, and projects pulses of psychic energy... That makes it the most dangerous fleet to 2 races that they gain nothing from. The Necron, and the Ruinous powers. It would also hamstring the Imperium and take out all their travel, communication. As well as key forces, it would just be the greatest superweapon in the galaxy :o
I have the theory the last old one mutated himself into the hive mind. It would explain the Psychic Abilities of the Race. The Shadow. Creatures of the warp led to the old ones fall.
Cant wait for the Lion to be halfway through beating down Luther in the Somnian Stars when he suddenly gets clapped in the back by Tiamat from the North. Especially funny given that they weren't around when he went to sleep
.... I just figured out what it is! It is an overmind, kerrigan from StarCraft, super leader type that works as a beacon as well because they all know their glorious new overmind that will ensure their conquest of the milky way Galaxy once and for all
I think it's a biological equivalent of the Astronomican. And/or an anti-Astronomican since Tyranids don't travel in the Warp themselves. The writers didn't choose "Tiamet" as a name by accident. Tiamat was the Mesopotamian primordial goddess of the sea. So just as the Astronomican is a galaxy-spanning lighthouse for ships assail in the Warp, so too would be Tiamet, whether it's to guide Tyranids, blot out warp threats or draw in warp-bound ships like some kind of trap. They were drawn by the Astronomican, then we had the Days of Blinding and the Great Rift forming. For all those Tyranids "know," it's simply gone. Or perhaps evolutionarily, they've chanced upon a biological imperative to make their own since the old one quit working so hot. It makes sense that a hive fleet might evolve, rather than accumulating biomass en route to the Astronomican, evolve an Astonomican to draw biomass to it.
What if it's their own version of the astronomicon? Maybe it can help them navigate warp space and combat the chaos gods since the chaos gods are comprised psychic energy also, or it's an energy pylon for the hive mind giving it actual form so it can influence its will in a stronger way
No one here seems to be considering the most unsettling option. Hive Fleets are easy to break, yes? Just take out the Norn-Queen and alls well, until the fleet regathers itself. It’s been a hallmark strategy for facing them since they first showed up, and why not? Why wouldn’t you exploit such an obvious weakness? But why do they have it? Why are they so obviously flawed when they clearly aim for peak efficiency in all things? Because, my friends, _they aren’t operating at peak efficiency._ The fleets attack each other, they can be broken easily, and they don’t seem to be acting with any real urgency, just following the tides of space wherever they take them. But Tiamet? She’s got things figured out. She’s operating at peak efficiency, and I think that’s because she is the only one that’s truly “whole.” My friends, the tower isn’t a beacon. It isn’t a blanket to snuff out the Warp, nor a factory for endless swarms of Tyranids. It’s an antenna. An antenna for the Hive Mind to broadcast its influence across the galaxy, connecting every single Fleet to its neighbor in a perfect synaptic link. No more “cutting the head off the snake,” no more inefficient operations. One mind, one goal: _Feed_
Tiamet could very well be the Tyranid Equivalent of Halo's Gravemind and Keymind. I believe once the structure is completed, most likely when it completely covers the planet, Tyranids around the Imperium Nihilus will start becoming not only more intelligent automatically, without the need for a Hive Tyrant or Swarmlord, but the Psychic beacon will start even affecting the Warp and blocking out both daemon incursions and warp travel for a large region of space, while attracting more and more Tyranids. If Tiamet succeeds in converting every planet of the system into one of these, this may very well be the Check Mate for the Imperium and maybe even Chaos, as the Shadow in the Warp becomes unbearable, Tyranids become more organized, unpredictable and perfect in their war strategies, and more Hive fleets begin arriving.
Let's see: 1.) It's been a theory going on that the current Tyranid invasion of our galaxy is even more horrific because *_it could only be a scouting party._* 2.) Just one fleet is in just in one system, not even stripping it clean, building something ominous that is doing psychic nonsense. Completely different to other fleets. 3.) They're defending it like crazy here where usually they'll risk things on the chance of acquiring more biomass in the long run. This place is, again, different. Important. ...My guess? They're building something to bring in the *_rest_* of their forces. A gateway, whatever. And they're leaving the biomass for now in order to feed the fleet as a staging area for conquering our galaxy that the current Hive fleets (other than Tiamet) have scouted and prepared with genestealer cults. As for my suggestion of what to do about it? Exterminatus? No. Because Exterminatus doesn't go far enough. Yes, you read that correctly. Tiamat has a star, right? ...Blow it up. Blow up *_the entire system._* Star, planets, moon and all. Make it go supernova, even, if you can and make damn sure everything within about 50 light years/16 parsecs is very dead. Then again, if I were making the shots in the Imperium, the Tyranids would actually be the highest on my threat level. Not because they are the most dangerous, even Tyranids aren't going to do well against a Chaos God. But because they are the most pressing concern. And because the Orks, being Orks, are likely going to start getting more involved in fighting the Tyranids because... Orks... and because they don't understand the threat and just want to fight, they'll end up feeding the Tyranids more biomass while weakening the Imperium and everyone else (which is a concern, because technically Orks outnumber even humanity, it's just the issue that Orks are too busy fighting one another to fight the rest of the galaxy - thankfully). Meaning that if the Tyranids aren't dealt with - now - it will weaken humanity and allow the other powers that stand against the God Emperor of Mankind from fighting back and eventually mankind will be extinguished. After the Tyranids are dealt with, then we can get onto the long road of the real enemy of life, and especially humanity - Chaos.
If all we have seen so far are scouts, then what if hive fleet Tiamat is responsible for building larger scale aka more effective biomass manufacturing infrastructure? In a way stripping a planets surface can only be seen as a first bite, but devouring full planets/ celestial bodies would result in apocalyptic amounts of "fuel" to build more than just "scouts". One way or another: Tiamat seems to have long term goal in mind, and that's scary.
Not an expert myself on all things WH40K I still can't recall anything like a superweapon in the lore that I've listened/read on sites, videos nor in novels. That's more of a 'Star Wars' thing. Maybe it's a new hivemind? A local nexus point through which all 'Nids in known space are now readjusted back to a singular allegiance, motive. Perhaps a space-bridge that shrinks the space between it and it's target location wherever in the galaxy, or further maybe? A cosmic scale bio-tunneler used to retrieve reinforcements or send armies to distant star systems. Or...a giant cone on the surface of a planet could be a kind of projection cannon capable of using a massive accretion of psychic energy to kill everything with sentience, , or a psychic footprint, or perhaps even...a god. If they can see the Astronomicon they may very well know what is going on with the Emperor better than any other living or immaterial lifeform in the galaxy. His return would certainly do them no good & hence they are prepping for his return.
We know that Tyranid hive nodes have a range (hence why killing synapse creatures works to defeat Nids). Perhaps this is a much larger hive node to call in more fleets?
Even if there is only 1 have mind, building itself a navigational aid makes sense. They have been crossing the intergalactic void, where if they're off by just a fraction of a degree theyll miss the milky way and be lost. Having a beacon, even if they can still use the astronomican, would still be useful because then they could triangulate their aim and judge their distance much more effectively.
since their ftl is by falling towards enhanced gravity, they cant really miss if they would aim badly there wouldnt be any gravity to latch onto and enhance
@@ashardalondragnipurake you would think, but it should be entirely possible for tyranids to fall not exactly towards the center of gravity of they system, which might cause them to slingshot past it at tremendous speed and be flung into deep space as they desperately try to vector themselve back into the system or slingshot about another start to pull a u turn. Presumably that's part of why hive fleets splinter so much; some number of ships make a tiny navigational error and get yeeted lightyears off course and wind up in a completely different system.
I still subscribe to the idea that Tyranids are the Old Ones angry life purge machine designed to wipe the galaxy clean of Chaos fertilising races and gather up all the biomass so they can re-seed it again later when Chaos grows weak and extinguishable. Essentially the Old Ones angry galaxy reset machine.
Crazy thought, but what if they cover this entire planet with their psychic scream flesh mound, and using their gravity transportation, hurl it through the rift, carving a massive path straight through it? Sounds possible with a tyranif bio form that massive
They wanted to teleport around the defenders and get to squishy Terra, but the rift shitcanned that. Now they are trying to get it to work through the rift, or maybe to blow a hole through the rift.
I think the significance or notoriety of the name used for a hive fleet probably signifies their threat. Tiamat from a Google search is the mother of the babylonian gods. That seems pretty significant but she isn't a very well known so tiamat could be a tsunami of carnage and destruction or it could be a threat that beaten in the background. I'm hoping for the former.
Given what is known about the tyranids and that a Chaos dominated milky way means they wasted their time and resources I think a number of specialized splitter fleets have been given anti Chaos missions by the greater hive mind to prep the galaxy for the main forces arrival. Back when hive fleet Leviathan attacked it tried a two pronged attack pattern to try to spread out the effects of the shadow in the warp, what if the tyranid structure is some sort of amp or repository for the hive mind to nullify or focus on the warp in a similar way? Just throwing out an idea, what do you guys think?
OMG they're building a giant cornetto. Harvesting all the biomass to churn up into 41st century ice cream. Maybe, just maybe they're trying to wake up the Emperor . . . . screech, growl, raargh, ahem cough cough, yoo hoo Mr Emperor look what we got for yoooou.
I can imagine loads of Imperial scienctists and scribes throwing theories around the room. Maybe a teleporter? Maybe a beacon? Maybe a representation of their Hive Mind? Maybe a factory? Then an Inquisitors fist hits the table. "DON'T CARE. EXTERMINATUS."
What if it was a way to link their adaptations and capabilities to all hive fleets. The powers of each fleet combined would be crazy and all the biomass gained in Octarius could full a massive growth of Tyranids if they win.
is go with a bio transference gate. there own warp travel system. they adapt, and even though the whole swarm would easy win, why risk losing and waiting on your slow forces
If the old one's history and the present Eldar Thirst Master isn't any evidence, me thinks the Tyranids would have a phase 2 when EVER invading a Galaxy... As a psychic dominant race falls victim to fear of the Tyranid menace, their own fracturing control of the Warp would spawn "Enslavers" and the like as a tidal wake of the ensuing Wars that would then directly compete with the Nids over resources as the last of infrastructure burns... The Nids however me thinks didn't expect to find a Galaxy mid-warp-rip-reset, which both the Gilliman beacon and Big E's lighthouse might emulate, further confusing their fleet procedures, as all the ground recon showed a well organized Galaxy instead of one more resembling the banquet Behemoth was expecting. As most of the Nid fleets are "now" on Terror and Recon spread deployment, after the first main Behemoth wave was squished, more of a phase 1 thing, if I'm right. I do appreciate those last theories.
i'm thinking that there's an even bigger creature. one that makes a dominatrix look like a gaunt. bigger than a norn queen. something akin to the emperor in terms of psychic might.
Waiting on anything involving the nids is down right stupid. That being said, I think the idea of them building something akin to a white noise generator would make sense, more so if it doubles as a becon.
I'd like to know more about Leviathan and the Blood Angels. I still haven't been able to find out what happened to cause this Hive Fleet to want the Chapter destroyed. If anyone knows where to get this information can you please tell me?
Has there been any reason give why, rather than fighting the Tyranids directly & trying to reclaim Ziaphoria, the Deathwatch and/or Ordo Xenos haven't exterminatus'd the planet yet? While it wouldn't particularly help with whatever the Tyranids have planned in the long term, I can't help but think that in the short term the Inquisition would be inclined to err on the side of dropping a few cyclonic torpedoes on it.
They likely tried. Exterminatus is not that easy, you need your ship to be in close position to the planet and the missiles not to be intercepted. The planet is protected by a hive fleet so sending stealthy and small units is possible but getting a ship with exterminatus capacity in range might be impossible
Can someone fill me in on what the Blood Angels did? I haven't heard of anything they've done specifically other than just being a hardpoint of resistance that the Tyranids would have had to address one way or the other anyway. Labelling that as 'vengeance' seems pretty pointless.
My theory would be: An enormous organism that will project the shadow of the warp to the entire galaxy, closing all warp rifts, disabling all communication, make interstellar travel impossible
I read that as orgasm the first time. What’s wrong with me? 🤣😂
True because nids don't need warp travel
Tyranuds have cast stasis
But aren't the necrons doing the exact same? In the book indomitus they are literally going system by system installing null beacons closing the warp entirely.
I would not be surprised.
Tyranid Hive fleets are essentially scout fleets as is mentioned in a previous Tyranids codex. Not even a recon in force. Just scouts. So the main force is likely hundreds if not thousands of times larger than all these hive fleets.
So scouts placing a large becon to bring in the rest of their race makes sense.
Yikes
They're either trying to create a Gavemind type thing or they're (crazily enough) trying to build their own God within the warp, a chaos God of Hunger.
40k fatties genestealers here we come
Hughggyty my
I don't think they have emotions and all chaos gods are born from emotions
@@laziestbones5989 they at the very least feel anger as they went after the BAs for revenge, also, the structure seems to be emanating "psychic energy", the souls of their victims? Plus, who's to say the mind controlling the swarm doesn't have emotions/intellect?
@@Crimson_Loki true but I think anyone strong enough to create a race that's infinite hunger already and has a pretty dark side already needs then to create another god of hunger would be pointless to me as no one will do it better than them selfs and the realms of chaos would most definitely fall I just don't see them doing this
My guess is that it’s probably something like a beacon or a teleportation hub.
That seems to fit the Tyranid battle strategy. Either that or it’s the egg for the biggest Tyranids the galaxy has ever had the displeasure of having to exterminatus
It's not a teleporter. Why would the Tryanids want to teleport past their lunch? Better to eat their way through the galaxy. We know that the Hive Fleet travel above and below the galaxies plane already, so there is no need for them to invent something to get over the Cicatrix Maledictum when they can do so already. If those units of the Tiamet were found in 5th Edition, then they were there before the great storm.
Maybe not a beacon but some means of allowing more Tyranids to travel quicker to reach the Galaxy, since it's on the western side where most of the Hive fleets come from.
@@SirKanti1 I mean it could still be a teleporter. Having a hub to send hive fleets directly to planets they want, skipping over necron, or demon worlds is a pretty smart thing for them to do.
Imagine, instead of having to fight your way through the 500 worlds, just teleport a hive fleet on Macragges doorstep.
Or hell, teleport a half dozen of them in the Sol system. Let’s them skip over potentially ludicrous biomass loss while taking out strategic planets to help buckle the rest of the galaxy
An egg... That's.... That's terrifying.
I'm going with Super Teleportation hub Expanse style.
Or at least functional ftl
Probably preparing for the Hive Mind itself to manifest in our galaxy. I always pictured that somewhere out there in whichever galaxy the Tyranids originate from there's an Overmind type of creature that is the physical vessel for the Hive Mind. Maybe the Tyranids transport or grow a new Overmind creature once they've established a foothold in each galaxy. The presence of this creature might be used to spread the shadow of the warp effect across the whole galaxy. That would pretty much be a win condition for the Tyranids. Everyone would be screwed except the Necrons.
except the necron are susceptible to psychic power (which is why the Eldari and the precursors to the Orks were created by the Old Ones) and if this is a giant psychic beacon/brings the Hivemind embodied (which would be a psychic entity that would be so close to the Emperor's Power it would be insane).... Then the necron's would be screwed too
@@taten-jinmu718 not really, since the orks and eldar only work against the necrons because they were handcrafted by the old ones to fight them. The Tyranids have no showing of psychic power that tells me that alone would be a threat to the necrons.
The Tyranids tend to avoid the necrons, given that in most aspects they hard counter the space bugs and almost cost more to fight than can be gained by winning.
Hell, Trazyn was even able to put a splinter fleet in stasis for a bit, and that’s him just being a curious dude trying to build a dope museum. A fully awakened necron race geared for war with the Tyranids is more than a match for the hive mind. There’s a reason why they aren’t a United race, and fight eachother more than anyone else rn. Because if they were unified there’s no justification for them not curbstomping the galaxy
Yes, yes-- horrifying. But, is it flammable? It becomes a lot less horrifying if it's flammable.
Vulcan? Is that you?!
With enough plasma, anything is flammable.
Wait!..... What if it were ment to be flammable? Dum dum dummmmmmmmmm! *Makes super terrified face "
And even less if they scream if you flay them alive.
Salamanders energy
If someone with a track record of Silent King encounters something so terrifying that e abandons his travels and makes a bee line back home to prepare for it you should be very worried of what's coming.
Right. The silent king is the necron equivalent to the emperor. Him hauling ass back to the Milky Way tells me he sees the coming Tyranid threat as equal too or greater than the Eldar Empire at their peak. There is something out in the void between galaxies that worries the silent king more than anything else, and anything capable of that should terrify the rest of us
@@ianharrison5758I choose to refer to this hypothetical something as Hive-Cluster Adephagia: the ever-hungering maw
The Imperial Guard: We have the biggest, longest ranged artillery in the galaxy
The hive mind: Hold my biomass
To be honest my first impression from you're initial description of it, and how it killed all those Aeldari, and the Librarian... was that it was some kind of Tyranid Pylon.
Definitely leaning more towards the beacon theory. Also, Tyranids are a rare topic on the channel so its nice to see them being covered.
I believe this is what's going to finally pull the attention of chaos towards the Tyranids. Which might be GW's way of finally balancing the Tyranids, especially since they're easily the most dominant faction lore wise.
Could also be the opposite. Tyranids starting to focus on Chaos.
I'd imagine that the Warp cutting off half of the Galaxy would be... somewhat "problematic" for the Nids.
Yea hive fleet Kronos is already starting to pick apart Chaos.
I think maybe the tyrinids are like octopuses where each limb (hive fleet) has its own kinda brain but the center it the main intelligence .
One possibility is a that the device is meant to project the Shadow in the Warp over a large area. If it could cover an entire segmentum-size area, that would be a hammer blow to Imperium Nihilus.
It almost sounds like they are building their own astronomicon. I wonder what it looks like to a navigator?
Came here to say this. But also, the shadow in the warp "flattens" the warp for lack of a better term. What if this is the hivemind's attempt to make their own impression on the immaterium?
@@AngryBobthe6th They create very hungry demons that start eating nids.
I think it could be one of 2 things.
1. It could be a huge synapse beacon, so that everything in its range (assuming it is still growing) is in synapse always. Being more unified for the goal. (I think the splinter fleet of tiamet was one a test to see range. And/or they wanted to start building a second base/pylon in a different area.
2. They are building their own black pylon like the necrons to shut down the chaos rift.
Here is a fun angle to take - what if its in accuaetly some kind or egg or incubation chamber and its is being described as a structure because its hard to comprehend the scale of such a thing. Could they be creating some kind of anti-psycher/warp boss unit that has an epic long build time, which is why it requires an entire hive fleet to defend it while it gestates?
The Beacon of Noms is lit! Behemoth and Leviathan call for aid!
And the hive mind shall answer!!!
i was looking forward to this . stille a fanboy of Hydra tough
personally i like to think of this hive fleet as the engineering corp . the one who build positions in bridgeheads or defensive positions in retreat zones , or simply build positions for superweapons on the back lines . their purpose do not seems to be selfish . they might be the first proof that the tyranids arent acting like brainless moths but more like an army that have started taking this war seriously .
That seems scarier, everything we’ve seen is the recon force.. the combat engineers just showed up
Do you reckon that the Tyranids could be the "End Times" for 40K? and if so what do you think would happen next?
Interesting theories, for my part I remembered that pretty much all the nyds have from ships to tanks are living things.... So whatever they are building it would be fun if it just got up and left, letting humanity and the eldar to wonder where did a continent ran off to.
It would be nice to get some more insight on the Tyranids in lore. Who's controlling them, where they come from, do they have any motivations other than devouring, are they being chased by a more dangerous threat or who made them? Something.
Would be interesting to find out but that exact mystery does make them compelling at the same time.
@@MineTurtleLover565 Not asking for all the answers. But after over 3 decades of nids we still know nothing. Getting atleast one of these answered would be awesome.
Old one experiment or failsafe that went out of control.
Be interesting but also running the risk of going Prometheus on them...their master is a giant bold dude
I partially agree. While more information would be very awesome, the bits that we got (like the Hive Mind feeling anger towards the Blood Angels) also made them feel less like the consuming nightmare they are (in my mind). It is a tightrope act that GW has to play, where not enough wil always leave us dissatisfied, but too much could be disappointing. For me they are the coolest being like the Aliens in the movies, just completely animalisic and not understandable from our point of view, only there to consume. But I can understand that others would like to have more background info. What I would love the most is a novel written from the perspective of the Tyranids, perhaps similar to The Bees from Laline Paull.
I think it's either a beacon or a Teleportation for those fleets that are coming to the Galaxy are the most likely.
If it's a weapon then that's scarry for the rest of the Galaxy.
I mean, if they’re building some massive super-organism, it’s probably some kind of command node or mobile, living planet to better coordinate hive fleets or it’s their version of a tyranid Pharos to draw in more fleets from outside the galaxy.
I think an interesting theory is that this structure could be an egg to hatch something extremely powerful.
That sounds horrific… I love it
A manifestation of the hivemind? Maybe an emperor-type tyranid?
@@Amatsaru29 yeah I was kind of thinking something like that it would kind of make sense since they have already eaten space Marines and space Marines have a small percentage of The emperor's DNA.
Makes sense, the empire has the God emperor, the orks have Mork and Gork, the Eldari has Ynnead, the chaos legions have the chaos gods, necrons the silent king and Tau the Ethereals all of them are either gods or being above the rest, is about time we have some sort of gravemind for the Tyranids and bring horror and desolation to the galaxy
@@Nick-st4hb
I hope it has some great speeches like the Gravemind too then.
"I am a monument to all your sins"
My theory is that its a form a beacon to their creators to either say that they have established a foot hold within the galaxy or to create a larger relay for the hive mind so that they can start to coordinate all the fleets in a more dangerous manner.
I will admit that the former relies on my theory that the old ones created the tyranids to be true however.
My theory is that the old ones realised that their initial creations accidently started to create a greater threat for them (chaos) than they initially anticipated, so when they fled they created a new race that would evolve and wipe out their initial creations as well as their old enemies.
I think they are building a massive psychic beacon to attract the real invasion army of Tiamet
Could be an egg, or maybe some kind of a beacon, but not on the basis you explained. It would envelop the whole imperium in the shadow of the warp, just like necrons wanted but this will be much scarier.
Thanks to the Cain books we know that there is more then one Hive mind. Hive fleets fight if the come across each other unexpectedly. Its possible that its a node type system. Hive minds of equal power fight, and a stronger one just suppresses the other. Regardless we know that its not just one constant mind.
My personal thought: I would guess that the tyranids value DNA above all else. I think the tyranids were after the blood angle's primarck, is his body not held on Baal? what could they do with the genetics of the angle. Could the real reason for their attack on the ultra-marines home-world have been to get Robert Gulliman's DNA?
Personally, my thoughts are going towards it being a structure to bring the Hive mind or a huge fleet to the galaxy or it will a way to break through the tear in the galaxy to create a stable corridor through it so they can harvest both sides of the galaxy and weaken Chaos in one swoop.
Thank god you are back to lore.
Well, if memory serves correctly - and maybe I'm recalling info that's out of date or people's beliefs - the Nids where actually already on their way to this galaxy, if not in fact present in it (albeit with Scout Forces), before the Pharos Beacon was overloaded, and even before the Cicatrix Maledictum cut off half the galaxy the Astronomicon didn't actually reach all the way out of the galaxy at all in the first place.
Which I think is kinda backed up given different Hive Fleets have come in from different angles, suggesting they already surrounded the galaxy.
Still Tiamet's very unusual behaviour is definitely something to be concerned about, the Hive mind explores all manner of approaches and given everyone in the 40K universe relies on psychic powers for travel and communication... if it's some form of counter to the warp, it could be VERY bad news.
It be a crazy if it’s a type of hive mind beacon that “boosts the signal” connecting them all into a gravemind , or if the nids we see are only “ scouts” and the main force is waiting for a signal of they found more
Tiamet system is a jump point/beach head for incoming Tyranid fleets that's calling the tendrils in, as well as since they are also growing food/Bio mass as a fuel source to replenish expanded Bio mass from such long journeys.
A beacon would make sense. Idk the moment you said giant cone, I immediately thought of an ant hill. This could possibly be a new strategy of creating fortresses and slowly spreading much like the Imperium do for example. Just a thought
I think it’s for the Return of the last Old One. The real hive mind of the Tyranids.
They pulling a gravemind then?
@@unbreakablelag it’s been a popular origins theory for a long time
@@RayFog1 A lot of that because Tyranids store the genetics of their prey as well.
Seems very "Old oneish" to preserve the genetics of races for later?
@@adrienwatson2179 perhaps the reason why they’re storing the genetics is because they want to consume all life and restart the galaxy once again?
@@RayFog1 Pretty much what i was thinking lol
Could it be some kind of queen cocoon thing? Something further up the food chain that only comes about over such long time periods that we haven't seen it before? It would be a way for GW to bring a new model onto the board.
We all know what it is... the tyranids are in fact making a massive arena to play Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roulette-Fourth Dimensional-Hypercube-Chess-Strip Poker with the emperor of course :)
my theory is pretty similar to the 'this is a solution to chaos' but a little more broad in the sense that I think the hive mind is realizing this galaxy, while teeming with life and resources, is sort of a huge pain in the ass and has multiple antagonistic races that it loses it's greatest advantage against (chaos and necrons, for instance as well as presumably ctan and other 'gods') that it can't eat and replenish.
We see Kronos, the dedicated anti-chaos fleet, tuned specifically for that and leviathan staking out territory for kronos to eat. So I think Tiamet is basically serving as the logistics fleet. The hive mind is recognizing it has to dig in for a bit of a long haul and the nomadic deep space fleets trickling in aren't necessarily going to be the best play. Maybe it's a good idea to get some property and build a little bit of a farm to keep its access to resources up and consistent for whatever it has planned.
No clue what the spire they're making could be, given that Kronos, again, is going out of its way to attack chaos, and is being supported by other fleets, it totally could be more of that. Maybe it's a big 5g tower for the hive mind. Maybe it's so the hive mind can maintain a bit of continuity as insurance or increase its range. Maybe it's just a defensive structure to let the hive mind defend its farm. If it's mimicking the astronomicon and the golden throne my thought is that it's probably less for navigation purposes and more as a rival sort of psychic amplifying device, which would make it like the 4th faction that has some sort of ersatz golden throne
An important thing to consider is just when they began to build this thing. Depending on the circumstances in the galaxy at that point might shed more light on what it is and why it is being built
What if its something to super disrupt the warp or warp travel. Some kind of immense shadow in the warp. They've learned that these chaos monsters and this power various races have is tied to the warp. So they are building something to turn them off, scramble, take away one of the only things thats keeping them from consuming everything.
My thought is it's a giant synapse relay. One of their few weaknesses is requiring synapse creatures to control their massive amount of smaller units, imagine if they didn't need that. Imagine if genestealers didn't need to make a beacon for a tendril to find the world. Even the death of Nornqueen might not be enough to stop a fleet at that point.
I think what might give a clue is to what their doing is who Tiamat was in mythology, the embodiment of the primordial sea from which the gods where first born. Their building gods.... or demigods 😉
My theory, in addition to the extra-galactic beacon, teleporter, and null field theories, was that they were creating an entirely new Tyranid hive mind entity. A child, if you will, native to this galaxy.
We still don’t know how much of the hive mind works. What if the pre-seeding of bio forms in the Tiamet system was the first stage in the growth of a new mind or personality?
So, very much like a gravemind, but in its early stages. Unlike a gravemind, it would be a new entity with a new galaxy sized body to grow into... Every hive fleet, disregarding the millions or billions of bio forms in each have been tendrils or probes. The galaxy has yet to be outright attacked em masse by Tyranids. This is what might be the catalyst to the “main event.”
If its a psychic beacon to project a shadow in the warp, and projects pulses of psychic energy... That makes it the most dangerous fleet to 2 races that they gain nothing from. The Necron, and the Ruinous powers. It would also hamstring the Imperium and take out all their travel, communication. As well as key forces, it would just be the greatest superweapon in the galaxy :o
That's the hive's brain
I have the theory the last old one mutated himself into the hive mind. It would explain the Psychic Abilities of the Race. The Shadow. Creatures of the warp led to the old ones fall.
One tap away, on the Celestial Orary, from destruction.
Cant wait for the Lion to be halfway through beating down Luther in the Somnian Stars when he suddenly gets clapped in the back by Tiamat from the North. Especially funny given that they weren't around when he went to sleep
The om nom nom Bois back at it again!
On that galactic mukbang!
.... I just figured out what it is! It is an overmind, kerrigan from StarCraft, super leader type that works as a beacon as well because they all know their glorious new overmind that will ensure their conquest of the milky way Galaxy once and for all
I think it's a biological equivalent of the Astronomican. And/or an anti-Astronomican since Tyranids don't travel in the Warp themselves. The writers didn't choose "Tiamet" as a name by accident. Tiamat was the Mesopotamian primordial goddess of the sea. So just as the Astronomican is a galaxy-spanning lighthouse for ships assail in the Warp, so too would be Tiamet, whether it's to guide Tyranids, blot out warp threats or draw in warp-bound ships like some kind of trap. They were drawn by the Astronomican, then we had the Days of Blinding and the Great Rift forming. For all those Tyranids "know," it's simply gone. Or perhaps evolutionarily, they've chanced upon a biological imperative to make their own since the old one quit working so hot. It makes sense that a hive fleet might evolve, rather than accumulating biomass en route to the Astronomican, evolve an Astonomican to draw biomass to it.
What if it's their own version of the astronomicon? Maybe it can help them navigate warp space and combat the chaos gods since the chaos gods are comprised psychic energy also, or it's an energy pylon for the hive mind giving it actual form so it can influence its will in a stronger way
No one here seems to be considering the most unsettling option.
Hive Fleets are easy to break, yes? Just take out the Norn-Queen and alls well, until the fleet regathers itself. It’s been a hallmark strategy for facing them since they first showed up, and why not? Why wouldn’t you exploit such an obvious weakness?
But why do they have it? Why are they so obviously flawed when they clearly aim for peak efficiency in all things?
Because, my friends, _they aren’t operating at peak efficiency._ The fleets attack each other, they can be broken easily, and they don’t seem to be acting with any real urgency, just following the tides of space wherever they take them. But Tiamet? She’s got things figured out. She’s operating at peak efficiency, and I think that’s because she is the only one that’s truly “whole.”
My friends, the tower isn’t a beacon. It isn’t a blanket to snuff out the Warp, nor a factory for endless swarms of Tyranids.
It’s an antenna.
An antenna for the Hive Mind to broadcast its influence across the galaxy, connecting every single Fleet to its neighbor in a perfect synaptic link. No more “cutting the head off the snake,” no more inefficient operations. One mind, one goal:
_Feed_
To fight the bug, you have to understand the bug. That is how sanguineous comes and exits the scene just as fast
Awesome!🤘🏻I think this is going to be scary and bad ass. Great video as alwayz brother!
Now that you mentioned hive fleet Kronos which is my most favorite ❤ hive fleet I want to see your thoughts on it.
Tiamet could very well be the Tyranid Equivalent of Halo's Gravemind and Keymind. I believe once the structure is completed, most likely when it completely covers the planet, Tyranids around the Imperium Nihilus will start becoming not only more intelligent automatically, without the need for a Hive Tyrant or Swarmlord, but the Psychic beacon will start even affecting the Warp and blocking out both daemon incursions and warp travel for a large region of space, while attracting more and more Tyranids. If Tiamet succeeds in converting every planet of the system into one of these, this may very well be the Check Mate for the Imperium and maybe even Chaos, as the Shadow in the Warp becomes unbearable, Tyranids become more organized, unpredictable and perfect in their war strategies, and more Hive fleets begin arriving.
Let's see:
1.) It's been a theory going on that the current Tyranid invasion of our galaxy is even more horrific because *_it could only be a scouting party._*
2.) Just one fleet is in just in one system, not even stripping it clean, building something ominous that is doing psychic nonsense. Completely different to other fleets.
3.) They're defending it like crazy here where usually they'll risk things on the chance of acquiring more biomass in the long run. This place is, again, different. Important.
...My guess? They're building something to bring in the *_rest_* of their forces. A gateway, whatever. And they're leaving the biomass for now in order to feed the fleet as a staging area for conquering our galaxy that the current Hive fleets (other than Tiamet) have scouted and prepared with genestealer cults.
As for my suggestion of what to do about it? Exterminatus? No. Because Exterminatus doesn't go far enough. Yes, you read that correctly. Tiamat has a star, right? ...Blow it up. Blow up *_the entire system._* Star, planets, moon and all. Make it go supernova, even, if you can and make damn sure everything within about 50 light years/16 parsecs is very dead.
Then again, if I were making the shots in the Imperium, the Tyranids would actually be the highest on my threat level. Not because they are the most dangerous, even Tyranids aren't going to do well against a Chaos God. But because they are the most pressing concern. And because the Orks, being Orks, are likely going to start getting more involved in fighting the Tyranids because... Orks... and because they don't understand the threat and just want to fight, they'll end up feeding the Tyranids more biomass while weakening the Imperium and everyone else (which is a concern, because technically Orks outnumber even humanity, it's just the issue that Orks are too busy fighting one another to fight the rest of the galaxy - thankfully). Meaning that if the Tyranids aren't dealt with - now - it will weaken humanity and allow the other powers that stand against the God Emperor of Mankind from fighting back and eventually mankind will be extinguished.
After the Tyranids are dealt with, then we can get onto the long road of the real enemy of life, and especially humanity - Chaos.
Although the other theories sound more plausible I kind of like the idea of a Webway war between the Aeldari and the Nids
If all we have seen so far are scouts, then what if hive fleet Tiamat is responsible for building larger scale aka more effective biomass manufacturing infrastructure?
In a way stripping a planets surface can only be seen as a first bite, but devouring full planets/ celestial bodies would result in apocalyptic amounts of "fuel" to build more than just "scouts".
One way or another: Tiamat seems to have long term goal in mind, and that's scary.
Not an expert myself on all things WH40K I still can't recall anything like a superweapon in the lore that I've listened/read on sites, videos nor in novels. That's more of a 'Star Wars' thing.
Maybe it's a new hivemind? A local nexus point through which all 'Nids in known space are now readjusted back to a singular allegiance, motive.
Perhaps a space-bridge that shrinks the space between it and it's target location wherever in the galaxy, or further maybe? A cosmic scale bio-tunneler used to retrieve reinforcements or send armies to distant star systems.
Or...a giant cone on the surface of a planet could be a kind of projection cannon capable of using a massive accretion of psychic energy to kill everything with sentience, , or a psychic footprint, or perhaps even...a god.
If they can see the Astronomicon they may very well know what is going on with the Emperor better than any other living or immaterial lifeform in the galaxy. His return would certainly do them no good & hence they are prepping for his return.
Tyranids attuned to the warp is a terrifying outcome
the first beacon was them arriving to the table top, this beacon is them protecting the hive mind hopes of a buff.
We know that Tyranid hive nodes have a range (hence why killing synapse creatures works to defeat Nids). Perhaps this is a much larger hive node to call in more fleets?
Even if there is only 1 have mind, building itself a navigational aid makes sense. They have been crossing the intergalactic void, where if they're off by just a fraction of a degree theyll miss the milky way and be lost. Having a beacon, even if they can still use the astronomican, would still be useful because then they could triangulate their aim and judge their distance much more effectively.
since their ftl is by falling towards enhanced gravity, they cant really miss
if they would aim badly there wouldnt be any gravity to latch onto and enhance
@@ashardalondragnipurake you would think, but it should be entirely possible for tyranids to fall not exactly towards the center of gravity of they system, which might cause them to slingshot past it at tremendous speed and be flung into deep space as they desperately try to vector themselve back into the system or slingshot about another start to pull a u turn. Presumably that's part of why hive fleets splinter so much; some number of ships make a tiny navigational error and get yeeted lightyears off course and wind up in a completely different system.
I still subscribe to the idea that Tyranids are the Old Ones angry life purge machine designed to wipe the galaxy clean of Chaos fertilising races and gather up all the biomass so they can re-seed it again later when Chaos grows weak and extinguishable. Essentially the Old Ones angry galaxy reset machine.
Crazy thought, but what if they cover this entire planet with their psychic scream flesh mound, and using their gravity transportation, hurl it through the rift, carving a massive path straight through it? Sounds possible with a tyranif bio form that massive
They wanted to teleport around the defenders and get to squishy Terra, but the rift shitcanned that.
Now they are trying to get it to work through the rift, or maybe to blow a hole through the rift.
I think the significance or notoriety of the name used for a hive fleet probably signifies their threat. Tiamat from a Google search is the mother of the babylonian gods. That seems pretty significant but she isn't a very well known so tiamat could be a tsunami of carnage and destruction or it could be a threat that beaten in the background. I'm hoping for the former.
Given what is known about the tyranids and that a Chaos dominated milky way means they wasted their time and resources I think a number of specialized splitter fleets have been given anti Chaos missions by the greater hive mind to prep the galaxy for the main forces arrival. Back when hive fleet Leviathan attacked it tried a two pronged attack pattern to try to spread out the effects of the shadow in the warp, what if the tyranid structure is some sort of amp or repository for the hive mind to nullify or focus on the warp in a similar way? Just throwing out an idea, what do you guys think?
Send in the salamanders chapters to cleanse the xenos with melta fire
Building a structure to wrap the entire region into the shadow in the warp thing. One way to knock humanity out.
I think it's focusing the psychic presence of the Hive Mind.
OMG they're building a giant cornetto.
Harvesting all the biomass to churn up into 41st century ice cream.
Maybe, just maybe they're trying to wake up the Emperor . . . .
screech, growl, raargh, ahem cough cough, yoo hoo Mr Emperor look what we got for yoooou.
it's a giant angry-bird style slingshot, hints at a new game release angry-nids
I can imagine loads of Imperial scienctists and scribes throwing theories around the room. Maybe a teleporter? Maybe a beacon? Maybe a representation of their Hive Mind? Maybe a factory?
Then an Inquisitors fist hits the table. "DON'T CARE. EXTERMINATUS."
"Thanks for that Guilliman" lol wasn't his fault, it was the Night Lords that attacked the Pharos.
What if it was a way to link their adaptations and capabilities to all hive fleets. The powers of each fleet combined would be crazy and all the biomass gained in Octarius could full a massive growth of Tyranids if they win.
Aspect of the hive mind. An above primarchs tiered Cthulhu esq Tyranid organism
is go with a bio transference gate. there own warp travel system. they adapt, and even though the whole swarm would easy win, why risk losing and waiting on your slow forces
If the old one's history and the present Eldar Thirst Master isn't any evidence, me thinks the Tyranids would have a phase 2 when EVER invading a Galaxy... As a psychic dominant race falls victim to fear of the Tyranid menace, their own fracturing control of the Warp would spawn "Enslavers" and the like as a tidal wake of the ensuing Wars that would then directly compete with the Nids over resources as the last of infrastructure burns... The Nids however me thinks didn't expect to find a Galaxy mid-warp-rip-reset, which both the Gilliman beacon and Big E's lighthouse might emulate, further confusing their fleet procedures, as all the ground recon showed a well organized Galaxy instead of one more resembling the banquet Behemoth was expecting. As most of the Nid fleets are "now" on Terror and Recon spread deployment, after the first main Behemoth wave was squished, more of a phase 1 thing, if I'm right. I do appreciate those last theories.
Tyranids were made by the the Silent King. They use DNA for genetics, which is like 1 in infinity if they come from a different galaxy.
i'm thinking that there's an even bigger creature. one that makes a dominatrix look like a gaunt. bigger than a norn queen. something akin to the emperor in terms of psychic might.
Maybe they are upgrading from a 33.6k modem to full on Broadband as it were to communicate with tthe rest of the Hive mind.
Ima use starcraft as a point of reference here somewhere there is a overmind the structure is like a celebrete and the swarm lord is like Kerrigan
Waiting on anything involving the nids is down right stupid. That being said, I think the idea of them building something akin to a white noise generator would make sense, more so if it doubles as a becon.
So that nid planet idea wasnt tossed out. I member something a while back that the nids were makin a bio world like being
Creating a cute, round, but deadly pink creature capable of devouring, adapt and overcome any obstacles.
Kirby.
It's a psychic bomb for terra. To destroy the golden throne. Chaos from the front and The bugs from the back.
If they have sense it's a statue of Guilliman who is the greatest of all of the greatest Legion.
I'd like to know more about Leviathan and the Blood Angels. I still haven't been able to find out what happened to cause this Hive Fleet to want the Chapter destroyed. If anyone knows where to get this information can you please tell me?
Has there been any reason give why, rather than fighting the Tyranids directly & trying to reclaim Ziaphoria, the Deathwatch and/or Ordo Xenos haven't exterminatus'd the planet yet? While it wouldn't particularly help with whatever the Tyranids have planned in the long term, I can't help but think that in the short term the Inquisition would be inclined to err on the side of dropping a few cyclonic torpedoes on it.
They likely tried. Exterminatus is not that easy, you need your ship to be in close position to the planet and the missiles not to be intercepted. The planet is protected by a hive fleet so sending stealthy and small units is possible but getting a ship with exterminatus capacity in range might be impossible
Sounds like they can warp. Maybe even teleport. Not well of course but that's all testing bugs.
Which books tell about the Eldari and Death Watch finding out about this?
wouldn't it be a supreme irony if the nids tried to replicate the astronomicon and inadvertantly help the imperium with it
Its just a signal booster for the hivemind he was getting a spotty signal in that part of the galaxy.
it's something to combat Chaos and the Rifts
Perhaps it stores the souls of those consumed by the Hive Mind, and uses them to fuel a myriad of purposes.
What if it could be a physical body for the hive mind itself?
Can someone fill me in on what the Blood Angels did? I haven't heard of anything they've done specifically other than just being a hardpoint of resistance that the Tyranids would have had to address one way or the other anyway. Labelling that as 'vengeance' seems pretty pointless.