Paul Gilbert Lesson: The Truth About Inside & Outside Picking (Antigravity, Chapter 24)
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Chapter 24 of the Antigravity seminar explores the amazing Paul Gilbert, and the often misunderstood concepts of inside and outside picking. Watch the entire Antigravity seminar: troygrady.com/seminars/antigr...
I wish Paul Gilbert would volunteer to be interviewed on this channel and have his pick technique analysed in depth via neck mount camera.
He likely won't, because his technique has been successful dissected, as AMAZING as it is, and Paul is better off studying Troy at this point. Kinda weird for me...
You think he should volunteer? Thats not usually how shit works
@@AlexAnder-op7yc how does shit usually work?
@@bub305 People don't usually volunteer.. Not sure how you didn't pick that up from my comment. Usually people work for money. That's sort of why it is done.
@@AlexAnder-op7yc You put a lot of effort into that comment for free.
Will always remember what i learned from STEVE MORSE years ago, He taught that whatever you play
practice it two way one with a downstroke to start the pattern and also practice with the UPSTROKE starting the same pattern.
This gets you used to unconventional picking patterns.
Solid advice.
Thx for that advice! I‘ll check it out
Petrucci also gives the same practice.
And play it the django rheindhart and gypsy jazz way- using all down strokes even with all the fast stuff!
Absolutely. A lot of the licks I use to practice and warm up I made so that with each repetition of the lick the picking alternates naturally, so each note is picked on the opposing stroke as last time. And when I done, I do it it again, but start with the opposing stroke. A lot of Steves licks make great exercises at any speed. I really like to use the main lick in tumeni notes.
gilbert is the true master of alternate picking
Nope, MAB.
@@zombiemachinery4868 still wrong, Steve Morse is
@@waltervt, if you're saying that because of his alternate picking arpeggios I'll give you that one, but when it comes to alternate picking scale runs MAB is out of contest.
Zombie Machinery MAB = ?
@@Sadowsky46 Michael Angelo Batio
God... Vibrato sounds hilarious when it's slowed down...
Agreed. How flippin messy would Zakk Wylde's sound, eh!
Lol
Not sure where your talent really lies. You are a masterful guitarist, with an unparalleled knack for teaching. Thank you for bringing your skills to the masses via UA-cam, etc.. So many of us benefit from your exhaustive research on a subject that we all feel so passionate about. You are doing good work, my friend.
Troy, your talk of downward and upward pick slanting has confused me for some time now, probably because I haven't watched your videos in order, just free chapters you've posted on UA-cam. Today I realized that you aren't talking about edge picking, you're talking about leaning the actual pick down towards the floor or up towards the ceiling, depending on playing descending or ascending licks. I tried this out for myself and realized that I've been doing a version of this for a very long time, but because I was never conscious of it, I never could get solid, repeatable results. Now that I've put my attention on it, and devoted time to practicing both, as well as two-way, my playing has improved hugely. And this is after just a few hours of doing that. This is a GAME CHANGER. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
i know exactly what your saying, for years i was struggling with my picking and some days i would nails licks and others i was trash haha. i figured out on my own to pay attention to what i was doing on the days my picking was on point and from there my picking has been improving cuz i now what techniques was allowing me ti be a shred monster on my good days
Is it for ascending or descending you slant it towards the floor? (It has only been 8 years, I am sure you're still around... right?)
@@meadish Let's say you're doing four notes in a row: three notes on the A string and then one on the D string, using alternate picking, starting with a downstroke. If the tip of your pick is pointed diagonally upward when you finish that 3rd note (downstroke) on the A and are about to move to the D string (for an upstroke), that's not an efficient movement, because you have to stop your momentum and then jump over and around the D string, because obviously you can't go underneath the D string. However, if the tip of the pick is pointed diagonally downward in that scenario, it goes over the D string diagonally and comes back gracefully, without any stopping of momentum. Once you understand that fundamental principle, just apply that to any picking situation. It will take a while to build the muscle memory, but once you do, picking will be way easier.
@@codyclarke Thanks for the quick reply! Trying to process your explanation. Did you mean to write "However, if the tip of the pick is pointed diagonally *downward* in that scenario, it goes over the D string diagonally and comes back gracefully..." Otherwise it seems as if the first "upward" should be "downward".
@@meadish Good catch! Just edited the reply.
Remember the second section of Yngwie's beautiful Trilogy that was always tabbed by 'professionals' as difficult reverse 3 string sweeps but when we saw Yngwie actually perform it we could see it was simple pulloffs from the high e string to the b string. Thanks for your analysis Troy! Absolutely amazing work!
Troy, you are literally the god of picking technique. You've revolutionized the way I play guitar. I'm so much better because of you alone. Fantastic content.
And no joke, I completely changed my picking mechanics after watching your videos as of about June 2018, and since then my playing has gone from very mediocre to feeling like I can play almost anything I set my mind to (within reason, I'm not an amazing player like you), but my speed and precision has been on a new level since this summer, it's incredible. I'd say you're my #1 source of guitar technique and style, keep it up.
Hey Troy, watching these videos and checking out your series has helped me begin to overcome some of the picking roadblocks that I've been struggling with for years! Thank you so much for all of this, you are truly doing guitarists a huge favour by sharing this information.
Miles Finlayson No worries - thanks for watching!
yeah
I really appreciate the lengths to which you are willing to go to understand and streamline the mechanics of picking movement, both physically and mentally. It's clear that a lot of love goes into what you do here. But what sells all this, for me, is simple: your picking chops are among the very best I've ever heard, including Eric Johnson, Paul Gilbert and Yngwie. That pretty much says it all! Awesome job, Troy!
Thanks Dan! Developing the chops to match our creative aspirations is how we all got sucked down the technique rabbit hole to begin with. But the truth is, if the teaching is backed up by evidence, and can be tested, I'd accept it from anyone -- even someone who's more of an analyst than a player. What we're really trying to do is get beyond teaching based on personal opinion, because when it comes to opinions, I rarely trust them -- even my own!
I wish UA-cam was around twenty five years ago when I was struggling with all this stuff. Every guitar player who's ever tried to reach that next level in speed has inherently known all this stuff, but has never had a guy like this address all these issues. Until now. Amazing player, amazing technical teacher. Bravo bud. Bravo.
Von Milash I was thinking the exact same thing and was thinking about writing a comment about how lucky people starting out now are.
I've been watching these old 80's videos for years, its so cool to have you break them down like this, THANK YOU!!!
It's actually an incredibly simple concept, and many virtuoso's such as Paul Gilbert, and Malmsteen would have naturally figured this out because of the sheer amount of time they spend honing and perfecting their technique. Finding out that slanting the pick would make certain lines connect better and feel more natural would be what they would have cracked. Couple that with time, patience, slow practice and perseverance and shredding those lines feel natural.Now to create a dedicated set of videos explaining this type of technique and slowing the video down to show everything in great detail is an absolutely genius idea. Plus, you do it so well, and your playing is so clean with this technique.I salute you sir.
yess I was waiting for the Gilbert one! another GREAT video man!!
Very easy for me because I've been doing this since 1984, & being heavily influenced by jazz/fusion GREAT, Al DiMeola, this is why a lot of us do this!!! But it is great to introduce this to a whole new generation, great video my friend, stay safe, Rock On & God Bless!!!
I´ve watched many guitar lesson videos before but your series of videos Troy are without comparisson in the sense that the degree of detail in your explanations and slow motion shots are very useful and straightforward. I´ll be watching more of your material and probably buying your lessons if that´s a possibility. Congrats on this project and the Malmsteen series of vids are just top notch.
funny thing is that I a few years back looked in to the challenges of picking ... and got a lot of the puzzle right ... I got rid of hand bounce, learned to play properly from the wrist, discovered pickslanting in both directions ... I went at it like a scientist ... I missed out on one or two very important notes ! so this is my contribution to "the code" 1. I didn´t keep it going long enough ( you REALLY need to stay at it ... we are talking years ) 2. I didn´t BUILD the tech carefully enough ... mostly staying in control before speeding up ... I think the measure of this kind of control has to do with precision through RYTHM because you use time as an aim to syncronize the hands together. now I am 1 year into tech again and I can confidently say that you will get better if you stick to the "rules" and stay focussed ! you can`t wing it ... this is athlete sport for guitar
Love your videos Troy. I’m a long time guitar player (turning 50 in 5 days), I stopped playing for a few years but started playing again a little over a year ago and on a mission to master my alternate picking, your channel and content is definitely helping with my guitar goals. Thank you so much for doing what you’re doing.Troy.
You’re a shred king without question by the way. Peace and love to you and yours.
I can sit here drinking my morning coffee forever watching your videos man! Insanely informative, and really helping me tighten the screws. Thanks!
Your educational platform is everything I’ve ever needed for guitar. Invaluable wow!!!
...welll...I...was skeptical...cynical...jaded...but...uh...
These are the most detailed, accurate, and helpful picking technique and analysis videos I've ever seen in my life...and I have ALL of those older instructional vids and many newer ones as well...but you WIN... and that's REALLY AMAZING. You won me over...I'm totally sold.
The Intense Rock intro solo was absolutely mindblowing when I first saw and heard it. I bought it on VHS mid 90's and I couldn't believe what I was witnessing. It hasn't quite been matched after all these years aside from the many remarkable and astounding musical and guitaristic achievements to date.
Troy, are you planning on analyzing more of Paul Gilbert? I noticed you focus mainly on Yngwie and this is perhaps the only video where I've seen you cover Paul. I find that a bit strange given that Paul Gilbert has one of the best right hand techniques out there. But then again I might be biased because he is my favorite guitar player by far.
you're great at teaching guitar Troy. Very influential on my teaching. thank you
Wonderfully demonstrated and explained. Bravo!
Thank you for this lesson! I could never get that lick at 3:55 on the "B" and "E" string before, but after hearing and seeing you discuss two way pick slanting I was able to master it instantly! Now my picking over all is a lot better! Thank you so much! \m/
You're one hell of a great guitarist and seem like a totally cool, down to earth dude. I been a subscriber for a while, now, and am always looking forward to your vids. You're truly inspiring and extremely blessed. Glad I stumbled across your channel, six string brother. Happy holidays!
Mario Aleman Thanks for watching!
Nice breakdown of picking technique in this channel! The only in depth study on this subject I´ve found.
Troy Grady , you are amazing , in fact , unbelievable !
the lesson I've been looking for a year.thank you
Dude it´s amazing, when i was child i always practise "my own" inside picking lines, with no idea of the concept, i just alternate the pick... and now viewing this i got the sixes!. I follow your channel for three years ago and also I mastered the basic fives of EJ with downward pickslanting.
I wiewed this video but my anxiety and bad english listening delayed the process. Now i wait for buy some seminars
Troy, I have learned so much in such a short period of time from your videos.
Really changed my picking style without force. You really cracked the codes in your videos. Keep it up. You're giving away all the magicians' secrets. Thank you.
I do not recommend sawing ladies in half, or stuffing rabbits in your shirt. That is cruel and unusual. But so is practicing scales for hours with no results. Hopefully we can change some of that. Thanks for watching!
When you just watch this video, you become better !! Thanks Troy !!!
troy, thanks a million man! believe it or not at high speed I can see the change even better..I wish someone had shown me this 25 years ago. keep the great videos coming and thanks again..off to slay this Dragon
It was 1987. There I was in Hollywood- in GIT ( Guitar Institute of Technology).
They said: ‘Look at the list and pick a private instructor.’
I had no clue - I’d never heard of any of them.
As I was staring at the paper the guy next to me leaned over and said:
“Pick Paul Gilbert, he’s fast.”
My heart jumped and I thought: DONE.
I only ever had one lesson (I left GIT to do a tour).
What a great guy. He literally melted my brain. Id never seen such insanity that close to my eyes- you can imagine. He was younger than me a few months.
He showed me that repeating lick.
He also showed me an insane string skipping hammer on
diminished lick with a finger tap, slide up, slide down, pull off reverse the lick.
And did I mention he was a great guy?
Thanks Troy! I recently discovered your videos (through Ben Eller) and I'm most impressed with your attention to detail on your pick slanting concept. It works immediately and most importantly feels right. That's the hallmark of a great technique, IMO.
This is exactly the block I've hit. Had 5 yrs away from music, woodshedding again to achieve picking in the realms of PG. Favourite player by far. Flawless
Hey Troy! My friend just gave me a link to your channel! It's awesome. As many guitarists I had many problems with inner picking for years. This small "pick slanting" thing instantly did magic to my picking! Big thanks!
I'm so glad I've found and subscribed to your video. It's so fun to learn from you.
Great work. Thanks for your help!
Fantastic lesson Troy, thanks
Troy, great job! Thank you!
You have helped me in just a few minutes. Congrats!
I definitely appreciate your analysis and videos
Thaaanks for this video! Im a fan of your work and dedication for the music. Keep doing this, I think it's the best guitar channel in youtube. Greetings from Chile
I second this salutation, Mr. Troy. Also from Chile, big fan of your work. Cracking the Code is a masterpiece.
Dude you make awesome vids... really helpful. Ive been playing (legatoish) jazz for years and I realized I had to get better at picking just 1 year ago, and Ive been watching all of your material jeje. Keep it coming ! Cheers
He uses pick slanting, but he gets enough angle on there that he scratches the string and gets what he calls a "cello sound."
He also referred to his picking technique as "scratching the dog" which is like scratching an itch.
Your like a guitar scientist. I love this stuff!
Super video... all guitarists should watch this... get past the inside/outside picking mantra.
Troy, hat's off to you man. Superb video.
Starting with an up pick changed my life!! I was about 19-20yrs old when my shredder friend taught me this..And i saw it on this Paul Gilbert hot licks...Totally revolutionary
Why?
@@XxXBattleStarXxX not sure must be the way my brain works. But it helped me shred and still does. For triplets
My guitar tutor has condoned inside picking before, and I have always unconsciously avoided them since. Definitely puts my playing strategy in another light and gives me something to practice now
That's a very interesting matter on my alternate picking study! Thank you!
Fantastic again, thank you! Your observations have truly inspired me and i wish i had more of an insight into pick slanting years ago.
Lava Man Me too! Thanks for watching.
Another amazing lesson Troy, it truly amazes me how you've deciphered all these minimal movements and nuances, however i have to admit i felt confused after watching this, i guess its because we haven't had the episodes tackling upward/2 way pick slanting!
Scratch that, bought the antigravity package today as an early christmas present to myself ;) everything makes total sense now. The level of detail is immense, it really is stunning, seriously worth the $70
si dog Thanks for picking up Antigravity! If you have any questions as you dig through, feel free to get in touch.
***** Thanks Troy, there is a lot to wrap your head around here, but everything you need is there and although i haven't watched the whole thing yet a lot of my questions have already been answered. Awesome stuff man!
si dog Fantastic!
fuc...... awesome dude!
you r the reason I returned to my guitar after several years. Now I am no longer stuck in the garbage I used to play!
cheers from Brazil
Your picking technique is excellent!
Dude...I can’t explain how happy your mustang makes me.
Hard to say anything that hasn't been said already but this stuff is totally groundbreaking. like loads of others I have been doing some of it naturally but to see it broken down like this is amazing. Makes you realise just how talented guys like yngwie actually were, they were doing this with no reference point at all.
That's right! These guys are the trailblazers, and if it weren't for them, we'd have a much tougher time solving any of this.
Great video thank you brother
The science of Picking , Awesome clip..
You have a great channel here. A ton of resources here for any guitar player. Thanks.
Great video as always
Just discovered this guy. You are an amazing player and teacher, Subscribed!
Inside picking is very natural to me, so I can blaze through these Paul Gilbert licks. outside picking, however, completely kicks my ass.
Yes definitely wish Paul would come your channel that would be a must see event
That was extremely helpful!
I just found your channel and man, this is an excelente content. Thank you very much! Wish woukd have existed at my 15s
the pick man of destiny..Keep up the good work and the shred....
Thanks so much Mr. Grady! The funny thing is, I did the exact same things that Yngwie does but just right in the other direction. Which means I am/was a fairly strict upward pickslanter and couldn't really figure out why. Most of the things worked for me, but seeing your videos has really opened a new door for me. It's not the easiest thing for me to do, but I'm so much better at inside picking (dwps), than about 4 weeks ago! Thanks again. Very pleasing stuff! Keep it up :)
Fantastic. UWPS is a perfectly legitimate strategy and there's no reason to turn everything upside down unless you want to. At least knowing what the options are, you can be much more strategic about where you spend your time.
Troy ...you are a amazing musician ...great guy ...great ideias .We need more awsome materials like this PLEASE
thank you for all your video's! You really helped me alot. I always used stringhopping to change between strings. U saved me from alot of confusion! I don't know If I would have this out by myself. Thanks again!
I admire how in depth and niche this dude gets into technique
I remember Paul at school in Hollywood back in the day & his band racer x
Troy, it is apparent that you can emulate all the masters. You've shown us that. Are there any original concepts that you've gleaned or care to share? I in NO WAY mean this in a connotative regard. I'm just so flabbergasted with your chops that anything else that you can share with us is just icing on the cake! Thanks for your very helpful stuff, even if it means I have to address 30 years of bad picking habits!! :)
I learned about inside and outside picking at a young age. I totally bought into it and put a lot of time and effort into avoiding inside picking. When I discovered pick slanting through Troy's videos the mystery was solved. What I really was trying to avoid it was downward pick slanting. I somehow developed into an upward pick slanter. Now that I know about pick slanting I practice both. The economy picking stuff that I learned to avoid inside picking has become useful for avoiding downward slanting. I wok on the downward slanting stuff but there are times that I just create licks that I can blaze through using the natural tendencies I have developed.
love your content, you deserve more subs
Oh man, I finally get it. I honestly had no idea what you meant by "pick-slanting" in any direction until now. Now I see that I completely favor an upward slant - making descending licks super easy, but causes me to choke when ascending. Now I understand what you mean by practicing the slant movements. Time to drill a really exaggerated version of Yngwie's "Rising Force" solo. I know this isn't how he would play it, but it'll make a great picking exercise. Thanks for breaking this stuff down, love the series!
Thanks, this video helped me to realize I am not a bad person for doing inside picking
man, this guy knows his picking technique, awesome stuff
Your explanation of pick slanting in these videos will forever change the way that I and everyone else teaches alternate picking. Thank you Troy!
Ray Suhy Thanks! We're only making the show because future me really wants to go back to teenage me with a copy of Cracking the Code, like Bif with the sports almanac in Back to the Future. Alas, we may have to settle for saving the future instead.
Hahaha! Please go back to Maine in 1988 as well and tell me it's ok(and not cheating) to design all my licks around upward pick slanting!(in the same way Yngwie did with downward slanting). I always felt like it was a cop out when I did that but I didn't know any better! Cant wait for the Eric Johnson and Shawn Lane episodes!
Ha!
I'm just beginning to learn about pickslanting after years and years, sadly I didn't pick up on the technique naturally. My picking already feels much smoother and cleaner now that I know about this. I don't care about becoming a shredder but I would like to be able to play as well as I can to get my own musical ideas out there through my own playing and not merely using a tool to construct them.
awesome info.
insightful vids. RIPPING.
Tone is pretty inspiring.
Great video.If you throw economy picking into the mix instead of strict alternate, that makes things even more straightforward for the inside and outside picking motions.
This is incredible Troy. That video used to frustrate me as I tried Gambale methods towards it- which isn’t efficient based on note groupings per string of Paul’s approach
An impressive work that you've done with all this videos. thank you!! greetings from Chile.
xavieritox Gracias por mirar!
.. Thank You Troy.
Excellent video Troy. I always did the famous PG lick using inside picking and realized one day that he was actually using outside picking. It's taken a lot of work for me to do that using OS picking and it still feels strange.
Derryl Gabel Amazing. Marshall Harrison does it this way as well. But starting on a downstroke. He sweeps the first string change, just once, to flip the picking. You guys are machines!
*****
Yeah, that's exactly how I do it.
Derryl Gabel why not just start on an upstroke in that case?
same here man, i thought IS is easier lol i can never get that fast with OS
This is a DAMM FREAKY , DAMM INTRESTING Guitar Channel !!
This reminds me of when I watched one of Frank Gambale's videos on economy picking. I know this lesson is about alternate picking, but it's the pick slant thing that struck me. The only thing Frank talked about with regards to economy picking (basically) was making sure to use one continuous stroke when moving from string to string--not two distinct downstrokes. But one thing he never mentioned, which was clearly visible throughout the whole video is how he held his pick very differently when playing ascending scales vs. descending scales. Kind of the same idea as pick slanting.
Anyway, fabulous work Troy!
When one is doing something they don't think about it; they just do it. They might not be able to tell others how or what they've just done but others like Troy can. Troy breakdown Jimi's picking. What I've learned from Troy's videos is what ever you do make it musical. Nice video Again, Troy.
Mike Bledsoe It's true, the great athletes do what they do by feel. Fascinating subject. Thanks for watching!
That was awesome. Thanks. This one lick I've been playing has been driving me crazy, because it kept breaking down at high speeds. I knew what the problem was, but I wasn't confident my solution was correct. The two way pick slanting at high speeds seemed to be way too ambitious. But now I see you just have to reduce the circular motion.
Troy, I love your videos. Intense Rock and Gilbert's other videos have had a huge influence on my playing, though I've never managed to match his speed. It's great to see you explore these classic videos in depth. Thanks for sharing your insight.
Good job.
Alexander Technique brings all these fine aspects under one umbrella. It is miraculous as central guidance.
Nice, thanks
Wow, this cat has some crazy skills right here! Easy thumb up.
I used to suffer the problem of inside picking feeling much more difficult. Until that was I practiced the Vinnie Moore chromatic practice regime. I used to start with down-strokes and follow his patterns and then I reversed and started the same with upstrokes! This enabled me to identify when exactly I was feeling tension and difficulty in the muscles and also the indecisive tendencies. Simply put I practiced sequences that involved inside picking 10 times more than what felt far easier which was outside picking. I then applied this to all the other licks I had previously learned including a bunch of Gilberts Hot Licks videos ect...
It's all about muscle memory... and so as your brain is a learning Neural network system you must practice much more what feels 10 times harder so this way your brain will strengthen these pathways in yer brain. With diligent and intentional practice you will soon find 'outside' picking just as easy as 'inside' to the point where it really doesn't matter what direction of the pick the' lick or sequence' you're playing is asking you to do.
Economy picking solves many of these problems in a different way and makes flying through scales a breeze in comparison as you eliminate 1/3 of the motion or direction changes with the right hand however the attacking and aggressive technique of Alternate picking is just awesome to ignore.
Tony, I'm on Paul School online. And you're right. He mostly teaches outside picking.
Another great video Tony. Thanks again for your keen insight brother!
Thanks!
***** wooo! Go Tony! ;)
TROY not Tony....Sorry TG..I've done this to you a few times