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i love that zero punctuation is one of the only series on youtube that hasn't changed its MO pretty much since the inception of the internet. Really gives me a feeling of stability in this fucking chaos that the world is today.
@@appelofdoom8211 The really early ZP videos also had clips from different songs (with lyrics relevant to the game being reviewed) at the beginning and end of each video; this got dropped for the current theme tune, I think for copyright reasons.
If Yahtzee ever gets out of The Escapist and loses his rights to Zero Punctuation, he should make a show called One Punctuation where there's exactly one long awkward pause at a random point in every episode. Sometimes in appropriate places. Sometimes not. Sometimes in the middle of a word.
There’s one slur or joke that’s too dodgy for UA-cam’s liking that’s cut out so awkwardly it draws attention to itself and I just look up the old episode to see what it was, another thing the Every ZP of 20xx videos do.
The internet has ruined me, as I sat there for like 30 seconds wondering how the credits joke was related to "lemon stealing whores" before I took a step back and immediately got the pun.
@@mauriciomedeiros4679 it's an old joke. They're both out camping, Watson notices the starry night sky. Sherlock asks him what that means, and Watson waxes philosophical about their place in the universe. Sherlock lets him finish before going "it means someone has stolen our tent!"
"During the Victorian era of late 1800s through the early 1900s, physicians administered pelvic massages involving clitoral stimulation by early electronic vibrators as treatments for what was called female hysteria" kekew
Instead of giving Sherlock an imaginary friend, they should have made Mycroft the player character, and Sherlock the NPC sidekick. Imagine the shenanigans of TWO socially inept detectives!
@@lnt305 You could keep it true to his (now vague due to public domain) character by having him doing it out of spite to one up his brother over something petty. That or just make it so that the royals and/or British government "demand" he investigates one or more cases while he passive-aggressively complains the entire time in various ways. You could do both even.
I've been saying the exact same thing for years. They should update copyright law to include an exception that Disney gets to keep Micky Mouse for all time. Or, I don't know... make copyrights extendable if you pay a $1 billion or something. Just do something to get Disney to stop lobbying for copyright to be extended to forever!
God, whenever yahtzee gets to use a previously-unused topic for joke fodder, like public domain, it really reminds both how clever and creative he is with jokes. And how he can rename common tropes of language and criticism. Nonplements. Love it!
"I just assumed he needed someone to go halfsies on the rent" That is literally how they met in the original stories lol. Watson just got caught up in Holmes' shenanigans because the latter runs his "consulting detective" business out of their home.
It gets better. Watson meets Stamford who introduces him to Holmes. But here's the twist. They meet at the Criterion Bar. Which was a well known hang out for gay men and was one of Oscar Wilde's favorite haunts. Draw your own conclusions here.
@@theangryholmesian4556 would certainly explain why Watson is constantly abandoning his wife to hang out with Holmes to the point where Conan Doyle eventually just forgets about her.
I have always had a soft spot in my heart for the Sherlock games. Sure, they're a bit janky and some of the stuff is indeed very much just guess works if one is unwilling to consult the internet on their phone. But like Yahtzee said, they don't feel like cash grabs or shovelware. I get the sense that the people making these games really love them and want to make them. They could use a bit more money that would equate to devtime though.
Yeah I think they get an unearned bad rap. I also think they don't need to change that much. I feel that having decent but not great, often weird games that eschew mainstream user experience concepts and try new things adds a dimension to the games market, and this market depth was part of what we liked about the golden years of games too.
I really liked Sherlock Holmes vs Jack the Ripper It was great from both a Sherlock perspective with his interaction and dynamics with Watson, and great from a historical standpoint with an impressive amount of research from the Devs of both the case and 1888 London
I feel compelled to tell you guys that in the BBC Sherlock series, Sherlock has a baby sister that murdered his childhood friend that he played 'Redbeard the Pirate' with; and he suppressed the memory by convincing himself he had a dog named Redbeard and that's the canonical reason he's so bad at connecting with people.
I had forgotten how off-the-rails bananas the BBC Sherlock got. It seemed to simultaneously take itself incredibly seriously while at the same time being uncaringly weird and meta in a way which was hard to take seriously.
I feel like I have to make a small correction regarding Public Domain. Sherlock Holmes is not actually very easy to use because certain elements of his character were locked out of public domain by the Doyle estate. Hence why Capcom changed his name in Great Ace Attorney.
For a series which had Holmes take on C’thulu and Jack the Ripper, I’d have to say that having an imaginary friend that just so happens to look and act exactly like his future partner would be about the craziest thing I have ever seen in a Sherlock Holmes adaptation. Including the one where he’s a garden gnome.
4:00 I want to see a Sherlock game where it's sensory overloaded with info on everyone and everything and main mechanics are about tuning and turning it off for the case at hand. So just walking down a street is a feat of will to ignore all the side info.
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Thank you for explaining why tacked-on combat, especially to detective games, usually feels so damned forced at the end. I wonder if the way to go about meshing them, if they "must" exist within the same game, is basically the way joked about at the end: combat just provides more clues (that you still have to piece together yourself), and maybe the better you do at combat, the more or better clues you get. Shrug.
at least the "YOU pick which suspect you finger" thing gives you a little agency. The mystery gameplay loop you described sounds exactly like that Poirot game that came out recently, and that game could have had a "movie mode" where you just watch the game play itself and it would have been 25% faster and 100% as rewarding as actually playing the damn thing
Whatever new iteration of Holmes emerges from the primordial pool of public domain IP, I think I speak for a dedicated, if small, group of people that Herlock Sholmes is the triumphant victor in the Holmesverse's ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny.
I would have thought the more apt connection between Diznee and public domain would be the company's practice of taking fairytales, folk tales, and mythology, creating a specifically Diznee-branded interpretation of that story that anyone has access to and then smearing the Diznee version as far and wide as possible across the world until no one can even remember any of the other versions of the story before Diznee got their tainted ichorus hands on it.
It's all about keeping control the Disney characters, especially Mickey (could you imagine what would be done to Mickey and the gang in the public domain? It would be glorious) The irony is that Disney got to where it is today on a lot of public domain material and now want to keep extending it in their favor.
If you ever want to make simultaneously the best and worst possible adaptations to anything, hire exceptionally passionate (see: horny) fanfic writers. They will remember literally everything about the IP for no other reason than to best windowdress their porn.
So Sherlock daydreams of meeting someone who just so happens to be exactly like Watson... hold on, I have to re-read Scandal in Bohemia to make sure other people could see Watson.
I've always had a soft spot for frogware's Sherlock games, namely because there is just a certain charm to them. I'f you haven't played it, Sherlock Holmes vs Jack the Ripper is in my opinion the best of their series, as they really showed their work on not just the ripper case but the goings on of london at the time, so its a wonderfully good presentation of the actual case.
I actually really like the way the conclusions/analysing evidence work in these games, it feels kind of natural in allowing you to be wrong without being completely insane
I think the idea that you get to define the truth of the case with your own evidence makes this far more interesting to me. I find usually that detective games feel both railroady and are often underwhelming (maybe I just don't like the writing of many of them) so that idea sounds more like my jam.
I think a good change would have been more selective action set pieces. Think Holmes having to box someone (which he can already do canonically), or a gun fight against a single suspect. Anything involving swarms of enemies is just not something that ever happens in the stories.
It seems like every time i log into youtube there's ANOTHER new zero punctuation thats genuinely still getting better as yahtzee goes along, and how many years has he been at this? Whatever The Escapist pays him they should triple it.
I think the whole "you don't know if you picked right or not" bit is the developers attempting to recreate that Doyle style of writing Holmes where the reason that Holmes is right all the time is because Doyle wants him to be right so he makes the facts fit the evidence. Pretty sure Doyle even wrote a short story outlining this method where Watson makes some observations about Holmes and gives some perfectly logical causes for those observations then Holmes laughs in Watson's face and gives the "actual" reasons which are also perfectly acceptable all of this to say; ha ha I'm smarter than you ninny ninny boo boo et cetera et cetera, thank you for your time
I sarcastically LOVE the pre-fight binge. Every room has a box or chest I can open, and that has ammo or health inside it. I "Explore" and gather all the guff. And then I walk through a suspiciously placed door. OOooh boss fight. How Random?! I had NO idea! I get not wanting us to be bum raped, but there has to be a better solution than (giv3 th3m 4ll teh g3arsz")
Why dont they just make sherlock holmes game which is basically phoenix wright game but trials now are the interrogation/discussion with the suspects? Well i guess they already kinda did it with a new phoenix wright game, but who cares, i want sherlock wright.
Hang on, there was a Sherlock Holmes game called "Crimes and Punishments"? From Wikipedia: "Its title is a play on the title of the Russian novel Crime and Punishment by author Fyodor Dostoyevsky..." I think me Frogwares have a different definition for "play on words"
Honestly, I don't know why anyone wants Sherlock Holmes for a main character, especially in a game. Even Conan-Doyle got tired of him. It'd be better to take Watson for the main character, so you can have fun showing how demonstrably loony Holmes could be. I mean, this is the man who, in the first story, didn't bother remembering that the Earth orbited the sun because he couldn't imagine it ever being relevant to a case.
As time went on Conan-Doyle's judgement got progressively worse as he went further down the spiritualist hole. This is a man who refused to believe Houdini didn't have magic powers (despite Houdini telling him he didn't). And got tricked into supporting the claims that young girls had photographed fairies. The fact he grew to hate Sherlock Holmes is honestly to Sherlock's credit.
Always fun to think about the origins of jokes that simultaneously existed in different cultures even before the end-of-XXth-century onset of globalisation, e.g. the 'someone stole our tent' joke. It's a common joke in Russia dating back to the USSR days, so I wonder, have people here just come up with it on their own, or could it actually have travelled here from overseas? Especially interesting considering the universal appreciation for Sherlock Holmes in Russia (known to any Sherlock fan at least in Britain, I think).
Interesting, I played through the 2nd case and I had to agree with Yahtzee - it's not really clear who done it in some cases. First was very obvious, but the second has so many similar evidence that the only way to see who the real culprit according to a guide is to blame a person and backpedal out of it, revealing lines of dialogue pointing out if they are guilty or not. Also, for the wrong conclusion you get 30 coins instead of 80 if you were right. This whole thing is like they mashed different narrative design philosophies from Sinking City and SH Crimes and Punishments. Edit: I actually replayed this case and there's a small detail about one person's cloth's and his behaviour about things that indeed incriminate him without all this mechanic's bullshit above. But it's not that well highlighted in the game so it's really makes you feel like a detective to make a connection which could be rather good from one point and bad from another, depends on your point of view, I guess. There's also only one side case that really bothered me - the one with Vampires on the graveyard, not really clear what conclusion the game wants you to make or rather there are so many possibilities without a clear implication. To put it short - In this game I only disliked two cases, and there's a ton of them, still highly recommend.
That's a shame, because I have seen games that do it well where the culprit changes from play to play, and they actually change the evidence that spawns in and there is a right answer. That would have been so easy to implement here if they wanted to.
@@LemonGrinder since Crimes and Punishments they tend to follow the formula of having linear cases with an ability to blame any person, but you have to live with "consequences" if you were wrong. Crimes and Punishments and The Devil's daughter though told you after you verdict whether you were right or wrong, but in Sinking City you keep wondering if you made the right decision, so I believe they mixed those and now we have this.
The sudden Morse head startled me into laughing even harder so I did a lot of coughing. I have quite the fondness for that series. I love the Holmes stories, but I've never managed any of the games. I think I have 1 in my Steam library and I tried playing it a bit, but point and click detective games don't seem to be my thing. I think what most of any of the adaptations get wrong about Holmes is that they think he is some socially inept jerk. While he did have his moments of that in the stories, he was far from socially inept and was polite and kind most of the time. The Granada series with Jeremy Brett does it the best, I think, but Brett also had the books with him and would have them make changes if he thought something was out of character or just wrong.
That's pretty much why I stick to Doyle's original works and try to ignore the spinoffs. Holmes as Doyle wrote him KNOWS how to be socially polite, he just doesn't get why it's so important to everyone. He comforts bereaved loved ones on several occasions, is generally always polite... I don't know when this trend of making Holmes a barely functional lunatic started, but I wish it'd stop.
@@Juranas Yep. That's how I am with them. I did enjoy BBC Sherlock, but honestly just the first season. I've seen all the episodes and it went downhill fast after the first season. I don't care for how they handled Irene Adler and her interactions with the others. Holmes admired her, but any spinoffs that have him fall in love with her are wrong. Again, the Granada series with Brett handles it right and that's the only one I'll watch now; even then I tend to just rewatch the first two seasons because I prefer David Burke as Watson. Hardwicke is good, but Burke is better, imo.
Good point about open world and Detective. Is there any great very scripted detective games? I mean besides Ace Attorny. And maybe that game with the birds? Just like a LA Noire one that doesnt drag so much.
Arguably a bunch of the frogworks sherlock games, return to obradin, the wolf among us, disco elysium, detective picachu, blade runner. For kicks I'm going to throw condemned in there too.
All the frogware sherlock games do have RIGHT answers, u can check after you play through a cases conclusion, in addition to whether you found all the clues or not
I remember when playing through Crimes and Punishments and The Devil's Daughter by Frogwares, when the games tell you (with spoiler tags) if you came to the wrong conclusion.
MY GOD YES! I wanted to know if I chose right. Why is it so hard to say 'Yes you solved it, good job' or 'No you basically murdered someone by cop you idiot'. I want finality. A conclusion. I want to know if I was right in a game about trying to find truth. Detested the open ended 'conclusions'
The puzzles were more intense in Sherlock vs Jack the Ripper... though Crimes & Punishments is one of my favorites in the series. Crimes and Punishments will let you finish a case and make the wrong connections, arrest the wrong person... and it'll kinda tell you at the end if you found the right person or not (I messed up on one of them for ages, til I went back to look) so it will let ya mess up.
I always saw a certain irony in Disney so aggressively trying to extend the public domain cutoff to keep the rights to their earliest creations when a large part of their business strategy is "make an animated film based on something in the public domain"
Been watching your content for years Yatze, and I think it's about time you delved into the train spotter sub cult. Train Sim World is where it's at. You'll either love it or nah... you'll love it.
I wonder what happened to the original video that was members only? (according to my comment history it's now private) I would've thought that the "treatment for female hysteria" reference was too much, but nope, it flew under the YT's radar
why the heck haven't frogwares made a sherlock holmes vs. chtulhu game?? like...if you were gonna have one character it'd make sense to be unfazed by the cosmic horrors of lovecraft monsters while everyone else around him shits their brains out, it would be sherlock holmes.
I don't know if not being able to have the game confirm your conclusion means that all conclusions are equally true or valid. It seems more like an attempt to reflect real life, where yes there is a right answer, but there's no omniscient narrative to tell you you're right; you just have to trust your reasoning
I've always found the frogware sherlock holmes games to be clunky at best, I've never once felt like I was in actual Victorian England but rather a TV show that thinks it's in Victorian England where all the characters seem to lack any logical thinking patterns. And it's true all the games are solved by just smashing thing x against another thing x and that produces a "conclusion". Although yes that sounds worse than what they did in previous endings of a case. I'll wait till it goes on sale.
Though she wasn't invoked by name, I still declare that the egg beater remark still counts as a prayer to Anoia, Goddess of Things That Get Stuck in Drawers. [GNU Sir Pterry]
uh, not quite, Frogwares already did _"Sherlock Holmes investigates Lovecraftian monsters"_ back in 2007 with Sherlock Holmes: The Awakened. And it was OK; not great, not terrible.
Genuinely didn't know this guy still made videos. Tuned into his Spec ops the line review and thought id have a look. Has he been hidden in the algorithm or something? Used to be all over the front of UA-cam?
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Looking forward to his annual stealth indie review! Wonder which one it is.
i hope yahtzee reviews shin megami tensei v
Oh goody! You brought back the captions!
*I get it.*
'A lemon tree, my dear Watson,' because it sounds like 'elementary'
THANK YOU! I couldn't figure it out!
What do you mean?
@@Marquis-Sade There is additional "dialogue" in the last two credits segments. Check those.
@@garr_inc Ah, thanks
"Lemons"
i love that zero punctuation is one of the only series on youtube that hasn't changed its MO pretty much since the inception of the internet. Really gives me a feeling of stability in this fucking chaos that the world is today.
When the winds of change turmoil, we all look towards stability.
The only other one that comes to mind is Ashens, still just the same dude reviewing random crap on his sofa
the only chage i've really noticed is the intro ads and those aren't something Yahtzee has to much control over
@@appelofdoom8211 The really early ZP videos also had clips from different songs (with lyrics relevant to the game being reviewed) at the beginning and end of each video; this got dropped for the current theme tune, I think for copyright reasons.
@@Tres_Nueve isnt lunatic a Bit of an understatement
"Overreaches like Dr. Octopus at a crowded breakfast buffet," has to be your best simily in a hot minute. IDK why that made me laugh so much...
I know I'm gonna be that guy...
But simile*
@@jaw322 Butt simile. Peaches look like butts.
If Yahtzee ever gets out of The Escapist and loses his rights to Zero Punctuation, he should make a show called One Punctuation where there's exactly one long awkward pause at a random point in every episode. Sometimes in appropriate places. Sometimes not. Sometimes in the middle of a word.
Really hope he sees this
One Punct Man?
"Who are you?"
"Just a guy who's a game reviewer for fun."
"FOR FUN?! HOW DARE YOU?!"
Sometimes in the middle of-
So basically like what UA-cam does to the ZP Mega videos?
There’s one slur or joke that’s too dodgy for UA-cam’s liking that’s cut out so awkwardly it draws attention to itself and I just look up the old episode to see what it was, another thing the Every ZP of 20xx videos do.
The internet has ruined me, as I sat there for like 30 seconds wondering how the credits joke was related to "lemon stealing whores" before I took a step back and immediately got the pun.
I still didn't get it. Could you explain it to me?
I sure hope no one steals our lemons while we're facing away from our lemon tree
@@balonkita185 “it’s a lemon tree” = “it’s elementary”.
Now, if someone can tell about what the stolen tent is about…😂
@@mauriciomedeiros4679 Bloody hell, thanks
@@mauriciomedeiros4679 it's an old joke. They're both out camping, Watson notices the starry night sky. Sherlock asks him what that means, and Watson waxes philosophical about their place in the universe. Sherlock lets him finish before going "it means someone has stolen our tent!"
"During the Victorian era of late 1800s through the early 1900s, physicians administered pelvic massages involving clitoral stimulation by early electronic vibrators as treatments for what was called female hysteria"
kekew
The "treatment" was referred to as Hysterical Paroxysm
Instead of giving Sherlock an imaginary friend, they should have made Mycroft the player character, and Sherlock the NPC sidekick. Imagine the shenanigans of TWO socially inept detectives!
Wasn’t Mycroft just super not interested in following investigations through in the books?
@@lnt305 who cares? It's public domain!
@@lnt305
You're right! And doing a prequel where he tries solving a case can show why he hates doing them 😉
@@lnt305 Maybe Mycroft gave a shit back in his twenties?
@@lnt305 You could keep it true to his (now vague due to public domain) character by having him doing it out of spite to one up his brother over something petty. That or just make it so that the royals and/or British government "demand" he investigates one or more cases while he passive-aggressively complains the entire time in various ways. You could do both even.
Can we just say "alright Disney, you can have your fucking mouse forever" and just let everything else go
Or is that negotiating with terrorists
I've been saying the exact same thing for years. They should update copyright law to include an exception that Disney gets to keep Micky Mouse for all time. Or, I don't know... make copyrights extendable if you pay a $1 billion or something. Just do something to get Disney to stop lobbying for copyright to be extended to forever!
That's not about just mouse sadly. They can't allow star wars or marvel superheroes lapse into the public domain
the best sherlock holmes game has already been made and it's called Disco Elysium
But ahh, in Disco Elysium you are decidedly not a British fellow.
@@liamgallups2092 British mod for disco Elysium lezz goooooo
I usually don't like these types of games but i'm glad i played Disco Elysium, now it's one of my favorite games of all time!
Apocalypse cop gang!
@@Kropothead The pale will consume us all, the fabric of our reality is slipping away. And that is so Disco, baby!
God, whenever yahtzee gets to use a previously-unused topic for joke fodder, like public domain, it really reminds both how clever and creative he is with jokes.
And how he can rename common tropes of language and criticism. Nonplements. Love it!
He invented nonplements?
"I just assumed he needed someone to go halfsies on the rent"
That is literally how they met in the original stories lol. Watson just got caught up in Holmes' shenanigans because the latter runs his "consulting detective" business out of their home.
It gets better. Watson meets Stamford who introduces him to Holmes. But here's the twist. They meet at the Criterion Bar. Which was a well known hang out for gay men and was one of Oscar Wilde's favorite haunts. Draw your own conclusions here.
@@theangryholmesian4556 would certainly explain why Watson is constantly abandoning his wife to hang out with Holmes to the point where Conan Doyle eventually just forgets about her.
I have always had a soft spot in my heart for the Sherlock games. Sure, they're a bit janky and some of the stuff is indeed very much just guess works if one is unwilling to consult the internet on their phone. But like Yahtzee said, they don't feel like cash grabs or shovelware. I get the sense that the people making these games really love them and want to make them.
They could use a bit more money that would equate to devtime though.
Yeah, and Crimes and Punishments was genuinely good.
Yeah I think they get an unearned bad rap. I also think they don't need to change that much. I feel that having decent but not great, often weird games that eschew mainstream user experience concepts and try new things adds a dimension to the games market, and this market depth was part of what we liked about the golden years of games too.
I really liked Sherlock Holmes vs Jack the Ripper
It was great from both a Sherlock perspective with his interaction and dynamics with Watson, and great from a historical standpoint with an impressive amount of research from the Devs of both the case and 1888 London
@@giloguy101 oh? Okay, I’ll look into that game , thanks!
Never gets old how he just rips into a game and its devs savagely for 6 minutes followed by, "so anyway it was pretty good"
I feel compelled to tell you guys that in the BBC Sherlock series, Sherlock has a baby sister that murdered his childhood friend that he played 'Redbeard the Pirate' with; and he suppressed the memory by convincing himself he had a dog named Redbeard and that's the canonical reason he's so bad at connecting with people.
@@styfen I loved Andrew Scott's take on Moriarty in that series, but it ended so poorly.
I stopped watching the BBC version after season 2. After reading your comment, it's safe to say that I missed a lot?
@@baierogers5096 season 3 was good and S4 episode 0 movie. S4 was a train wreck
I had forgotten how off-the-rails bananas the BBC Sherlock got. It seemed to simultaneously take itself incredibly seriously while at the same time being uncaringly weird and meta in a way which was hard to take seriously.
@@KeithFraser82 also that a boomerang did it
I feel like I have to make a small correction regarding Public Domain. Sherlock Holmes is not actually very easy to use because certain elements of his character were locked out of public domain by the Doyle estate. Hence why Capcom changed his name in Great Ace Attorney.
But in 2023 he'll be totally free of copyright and the Conan Doyle Estate. Free to be gay at last!
@@theangryholmesian4556 or straight, or bi.
I mean, it's public domain.
@@mohamedbelkacem9889 Touche.
Nah, "somebody stole our tent," is a timeless classic.
The line that got me was the "suspect sausage roll at the horse castration party." Wth... hahaha
For a series which had Holmes take on C’thulu and Jack the Ripper, I’d have to say that having an imaginary friend that just so happens to look and act exactly like his future partner would be about the craziest thing I have ever seen in a Sherlock Holmes adaptation. Including the one where he’s a garden gnome.
Nothing tops BBC Sherlock Season 4 for sheer whatthefuckery.
4:00 I want to see a Sherlock game where it's sensory overloaded with info on everyone and everything and main mechanics are about tuning and turning it off for the case at hand. So just walking down a street is a feat of will to ignore all the side info.
It's not as fun as one might think
Uh... Disco Elysium?
Would play that
Outstanding review, Yatz! After seeing what Disney have done to the public domain laws, I can see why we are in the bad timeline.
*Zero Punctuation indie rock album of the week:*
*The Audience Needs The Everyman Perspective* by *Homosexual Subtext Avenue* (featuring the hit singles *Is This Not A Bit Contrived?* and *Was That Slow Enough Nick?* )
Always amazing to see another video from Yhatzee. You're doing amazing work man
Right? How he's kept the writing so good and original over a huge amount of time is quite staggering.
Would you say it's amazing?
Thank you for explaining why tacked-on combat, especially to detective games, usually feels so damned forced at the end. I wonder if the way to go about meshing them, if they "must" exist within the same game, is basically the way joked about at the end: combat just provides more clues (that you still have to piece together yourself), and maybe the better you do at combat, the more or better clues you get. Shrug.
at least the "YOU pick which suspect you finger" thing gives you a little agency. The mystery gameplay loop you described sounds exactly like that Poirot game that came out recently, and that game could have had a "movie mode" where you just watch the game play itself and it would have been 25% faster and 100% as rewarding as actually playing the damn thing
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*Reinterpret The Facts The Way You Want* by *Hysteria Treatment*
Whatever new iteration of Holmes emerges from the primordial pool of public domain IP, I think I speak for a dedicated, if small, group of people that Herlock Sholmes is the triumphant victor in the Holmesverse's ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny.
I would have thought the more apt connection between Diznee and public domain would be the company's practice of taking fairytales, folk tales, and mythology, creating a specifically Diznee-branded interpretation of that story that anyone has access to and then smearing the Diznee version as far and wide as possible across the world until no one can even remember any of the other versions of the story before Diznee got their tainted ichorus hands on it.
And if possible changing the name slightly to get it trademarked
It's all about keeping control the Disney characters, especially Mickey (could you imagine what would be done to Mickey and the gang in the public domain? It would be glorious)
The irony is that Disney got to where it is today on a lot of public domain material and now want to keep extending it in their favor.
@@gowankommando Assuming that Disney doesn't do it again, the first Mickey Mouse shorts will fall into the public domain in 2024.
EricStelzman
Does that mean that the character of Mickey Mouse would become public domain?
@@sirapple589 No, it would only apply to the earliest Mickey Mouse shorts, like Plane Crazy and Steamboat Willie (both were first released in 1928).
"Like two egg whisks in an overloaded kitchen drawer" so this is a globally shared experience, I thought it was just me.
Sorry, but "someone stole our tent" joke cant be topped.
I love how the joke specifies that there's only one tent.
"Highly specific knee in the clever clogs"
I love this.
If you ever want to make simultaneously the best and worst possible adaptations to anything, hire exceptionally passionate (see: horny) fanfic writers. They will remember literally everything about the IP for no other reason than to best windowdress their porn.
You are 100% correct.
Ace Attorney’s Herlock Sholmes is unironically one of my favourite Holmes adaptations
If the culprits can be decided by you that seems quite opposed to the ethos of Sherlock Holmes. Just relativism with extra steps.
So Sherlock daydreams of meeting someone who just so happens to be exactly like Watson... hold on, I have to re-read Scandal in Bohemia to make sure other people could see Watson.
I've always had a soft spot for frogware's Sherlock games, namely because there is just a certain charm to them.
I'f you haven't played it, Sherlock Holmes vs Jack the Ripper is in my opinion the best of their series, as they really showed their work on not just the ripper case but the goings on of london at the time, so its a wonderfully good presentation of the actual case.
I saw that Morse reference......absolute legend who put that there!!!
I actually really like the way the conclusions/analysing evidence work in these games, it feels kind of natural in allowing you to be wrong without being completely insane
I think the idea that you get to define the truth of the case with your own evidence makes this far more interesting to me. I find usually that detective games feel both railroady and are often underwhelming (maybe I just don't like the writing of many of them) so that idea sounds more like my jam.
Thank you for providing subtitles back again!
Thank you **so much** for getting the captions back again ❤️❤️❤️
Love the idea that game developer wants you to enter a room for combat and roll your eyes every time. Its brilliant
Now we need a story where sherlock holmes and captain nemo fight a lovecraft monster using the Nautilus
I think a good change would have been more selective action set pieces. Think Holmes having to box someone (which he can already do canonically), or a gun fight against a single suspect. Anything involving swarms of enemies is just not something that ever happens in the stories.
Or a boat chase with a guy shooting poisoned darts at you, like in The Sign of Four.
It seems like every time i log into youtube there's ANOTHER new zero punctuation thats genuinely still getting better as yahtzee goes along, and how many years has he been at this? Whatever The Escapist pays him they should triple it.
I think the whole "you don't know if you picked right or not" bit is the developers attempting to recreate that Doyle style of writing Holmes where the reason that Holmes is right all the time is because Doyle wants him to be right so he makes the facts fit the evidence. Pretty sure Doyle even wrote a short story outlining this method where Watson makes some observations about Holmes and gives some perfectly logical causes for those observations then Holmes laughs in Watson's face and gives the "actual" reasons which are also perfectly acceptable all of this to say; ha ha I'm smarter than you ninny ninny boo boo et cetera et cetera, thank you for your time
The irony is, Holmes wasn't always right in the original Canon. See The Yellow Face.
The end credits were delightful today.
And then Sherlock's secret childhood best friend was thrown down a well by his secret childhood sister and here we are today.
I sarcastically LOVE the pre-fight binge. Every room has a box or chest I can open, and that has ammo or health inside it. I "Explore" and gather all the guff. And then I walk through a suspiciously placed door. OOooh boss fight. How Random?! I had NO idea!
I get not wanting us to be bum raped, but there has to be a better solution than (giv3 th3m 4ll teh g3arsz")
Why dont they just make sherlock holmes game which is basically phoenix wright game but trials now are the interrogation/discussion with the suspects? Well i guess they already kinda did it with a new phoenix wright game, but who cares, i want sherlock wright.
Hang on, there was a Sherlock Holmes game called "Crimes and Punishments"?
From Wikipedia: "Its title is a play on the title of the Russian novel Crime and Punishment by author Fyodor Dostoyevsky..."
I think me Frogwares have a different definition for "play on words"
Honestly, I don't know why anyone wants Sherlock Holmes for a main character, especially in a game. Even Conan-Doyle got tired of him. It'd be better to take Watson for the main character, so you can have fun showing how demonstrably loony Holmes could be. I mean, this is the man who, in the first story, didn't bother remembering that the Earth orbited the sun because he couldn't imagine it ever being relevant to a case.
As time went on Conan-Doyle's judgement got progressively worse as he went further down the spiritualist hole. This is a man who refused to believe Houdini didn't have magic powers (despite Houdini telling him he didn't). And got tricked into supporting the claims that young girls had photographed fairies. The fact he grew to hate Sherlock Holmes is honestly to Sherlock's credit.
Always fun to think about the origins of jokes that simultaneously existed in different cultures even before the end-of-XXth-century onset of globalisation, e.g. the 'someone stole our tent' joke. It's a common joke in Russia dating back to the USSR days, so I wonder, have people here just come up with it on their own, or could it actually have travelled here from overseas? Especially interesting considering the universal appreciation for Sherlock Holmes in Russia (known to any Sherlock fan at least in Britain, I think).
I remember their game Legacy of Sherlock Holmes being pretty solid
Interesting, I played through the 2nd case and I had to agree with Yahtzee - it's not really clear who done it in some cases. First was very obvious, but the second has so many similar evidence that the only way to see who the real culprit according to a guide is to blame a person and backpedal out of it, revealing lines of dialogue pointing out if they are guilty or not. Also, for the wrong conclusion you get 30 coins instead of 80 if you were right. This whole thing is like they mashed different narrative design philosophies from Sinking City and SH Crimes and Punishments.
Edit: I actually replayed this case and there's a small detail about one person's cloth's and his behaviour about things that indeed incriminate him without all this mechanic's bullshit above. But it's not that well highlighted in the game so it's really makes you feel like a detective to make a connection which could be rather good from one point and bad from another, depends on your point of view, I guess. There's also only one side case that really bothered me - the one with Vampires on the graveyard, not really clear what conclusion the game wants you to make or rather there are so many possibilities without a clear implication. To put it short - In this game I only disliked two cases, and there's a ton of them, still highly recommend.
That's a shame, because I have seen games that do it well where the culprit changes from play to play, and they actually change the evidence that spawns in and there is a right answer. That would have been so easy to implement here if they wanted to.
@@LemonGrinder since Crimes and Punishments they tend to follow the formula of having linear cases with an ability to blame any person, but you have to live with "consequences" if you were wrong. Crimes and Punishments and The Devil's daughter though told you after you verdict whether you were right or wrong, but in Sinking City you keep wondering if you made the right decision, so I believe they mixed those and now we have this.
Is it bad that I already knew about Victorian hysteria
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I feel like it's bad
Yay captions are back!
Considering the few seconds of silence, I don't think that was quite slow enough Yatz
Well, I learned something about the Victorian era today. Thank you ZP.
Rewatching to celebrate every Holmes story being added to the public domain
The sudden Morse head startled me into laughing even harder so I did a lot of coughing. I have quite the fondness for that series. I love the Holmes stories, but I've never managed any of the games. I think I have 1 in my Steam library and I tried playing it a bit, but point and click detective games don't seem to be my thing. I think what most of any of the adaptations get wrong about Holmes is that they think he is some socially inept jerk. While he did have his moments of that in the stories, he was far from socially inept and was polite and kind most of the time. The Granada series with Jeremy Brett does it the best, I think, but Brett also had the books with him and would have them make changes if he thought something was out of character or just wrong.
That's pretty much why I stick to Doyle's original works and try to ignore the spinoffs. Holmes as Doyle wrote him KNOWS how to be socially polite, he just doesn't get why it's so important to everyone. He comforts bereaved loved ones on several occasions, is generally always polite... I don't know when this trend of making Holmes a barely functional lunatic started, but I wish it'd stop.
@@Juranas Yep. That's how I am with them. I did enjoy BBC Sherlock, but honestly just the first season. I've seen all the episodes and it went downhill fast after the first season. I don't care for how they handled Irene Adler and her interactions with the others. Holmes admired her, but any spinoffs that have him fall in love with her are wrong. Again, the Granada series with Brett handles it right and that's the only one I'll watch now; even then I tend to just rewatch the first two seasons because I prefer David Burke as Watson. Hardwicke is good, but Burke is better, imo.
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- Challenge Denied.
Good point about open world and Detective. Is there any great very scripted detective games? I mean besides Ace Attorny. And maybe that game with the birds? Just like a LA Noire one that doesnt drag so much.
Arguably a bunch of the frogworks sherlock games, return to obradin, the wolf among us, disco elysium, detective picachu, blade runner. For kicks I'm going to throw condemned in there too.
For a second I thought Holmes was riding in a shopping trolley.
Which brings to mind that I want to see a game based on Caesar Chicken Digby..
With a final boss fight against his Nemesis, Some Bastard Who Is Presumably Responsible.
Pointing out the timeline then removing the bush by the 4:20 mark really tips my bong.
Sherlock Holmes is a weird one with public domain. Its fully public domain in most of the world, and partly in the rest with the cut of date of 1923.
I've played all the Frogwares Sherlock games this one is my favourite.
"Blah blah blah blah blah blah" *intro music*
*Me starts paying attention*
Ngl, I checked out when you mentioned they made him hot and clicked off to watch some gameplay
u brought subtitles back, tnaks a lot!
All the frogware sherlock games do have RIGHT answers, u can check after you play through a cases conclusion, in addition to whether you found all the clues or not
I remember when playing through Crimes and Punishments and The Devil's Daughter by Frogwares, when the games tell you (with spoiler tags) if you came to the wrong conclusion.
The "public domain" thing in this episode seems a bit misplaced given the minor fiasco with Great Ace Attorney's Herlock Sholmes
MY GOD YES! I wanted to know if I chose right. Why is it so hard to say 'Yes you solved it, good job' or 'No you basically murdered someone by cop you idiot'. I want finality. A conclusion. I want to know if I was right in a game about trying to find truth. Detested the open ended 'conclusions'
The puzzles were more intense in Sherlock vs Jack the Ripper... though Crimes & Punishments is one of my favorites in the series.
Crimes and Punishments will let you finish a case and make the wrong connections, arrest the wrong person... and it'll kinda tell you at the end if you found the right person or not (I messed up on one of them for ages, til I went back to look) so it will let ya mess up.
Personally, I like the "Someone stole our tent" joke.
You mentioned Doctor Octopus 45 seconds ago, not 23.
Actually went back to see if i missed yahtzee mentioning doctor octopuss, precisely 23 seconds before. Nope. Im gullible i guess
Opposite of a core mechanic? Maybe a crust mechanic.
thumbs up in the first minute for including a picture of the same Cthulhu plushie I have
So the combat mechanic is not only a quicktime mechanic, it's an interpretation of the RDJ film's interpretation of a quicktime mechanic.
I always saw a certain irony in Disney so aggressively trying to extend the public domain cutoff to keep the rights to their earliest creations when a large part of their business strategy is "make an animated film based on something in the public domain"
Been watching your content for years Yatze, and I think it's about time you delved into the train spotter sub cult. Train Sim World is where it's at. You'll either love it or nah... you'll love it.
coicidence-i just was watching spectacular spiderman where Dr Octapus put his tentacles around Rhino’s back across the table...
I wonder what happened to the original video that was members only? (according to my comment history it's now private) I would've thought that the "treatment for female hysteria" reference was too much, but nope, it flew under the YT's radar
why the heck haven't frogwares made a sherlock holmes vs. chtulhu game?? like...if you were gonna have one character it'd make sense to be unfazed by the cosmic horrors of lovecraft monsters while everyone else around him shits their brains out, it would be sherlock holmes.
Pretty sure they did.
Sherlock Holmes: The Awakened
I don't know if not being able to have the game confirm your conclusion means that all conclusions are equally true or valid. It seems more like an attempt to reflect real life, where yes there is a right answer, but there's no omniscient narrative to tell you you're right; you just have to trust your reasoning
That's easily the best description I've heard about Disney.
Thank god! Subtitles are back!
Excellent use of Panini’s Football 86
I've always found the frogware sherlock holmes games to be clunky at best, I've never once felt like I was in actual Victorian England but rather a TV show that thinks it's in Victorian England where all the characters seem to lack any logical thinking patterns. And it's true all the games are solved by just smashing thing x against another thing x and that produces a "conclusion". Although yes that sounds worse than what they did in previous endings of a case. I'll wait till it goes on sale.
Can you speed up the ad at the beginning Nick? He can fit way more in.
Though she wasn't invoked by name, I still declare that the egg beater remark still counts as a prayer to Anoia, Goddess of Things That Get Stuck in Drawers.
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I looked up Victorian era hysteria treatment....
I actually like frogwares work.
“Hope you’re taking notes LA Noire”
LA Noire: “What’s that deary?”
Jules Verne: bearded, paid-by-the-word French git
Yahtzee: three out of four ain't bad
uh, not quite, Frogwares already did _"Sherlock Holmes investigates Lovecraftian monsters"_ back in 2007 with Sherlock Holmes: The Awakened.
And it was OK; not great, not terrible.
Genuinely didn't know this guy still made videos. Tuned into his Spec ops the line review and thought id have a look. Has he been hidden in the algorithm or something? Used to be all over the front of UA-cam?
Look it up, but not the kids. Also check your safe search settings before hand