It is nice to be able to share this adaptor, you could get 2-3 friends to chip in and share it around so you could use it on longer trips every month or two when it would come in handy.
Thank you for the information Bjorn. As usual for your videos, it was well done and presented without a lot of wandering off topic. i appreciate that. Happy driving. :)
Bjørn, Thanks for another informative video. It is very helpful to decide whether to get dual chargers, or the CHadeMo adapter, or neither one, or both. I like the suggestion to get the dual chargers. They should be standard in Europe, with an option to delete one of them. I also like the idea to pick up a pre-owned ChadeMo adapter for even less money than Tesla's reduced price.
I was also baffled, why there was no dual charger option a few days ago, when ordering EU Model S, when the option was there a month ago. I have no idea, why would this decision be a good one.
Hi Bjørn. Where are you going on the next trip? I'm going to France and Germany this summer with my tesla, and I can see that in France there is not many superchargers yet and a lot of Chademos. I have ordered the adapter, and i think it's going to be usefull in France :) I hope;) But one question. Could you make a video of how to get access to different charging stations in Europe? It seems that you must have different access keys or cards..
I don't think I agree about it being "fairly small". Hopefully they don't need all that space and a more compact solution is possible. Does anyone know if there is a disassembly somewhere on the net?
The UK government has provided a grant to cover the costs of installing CHAdeMO chargers. Therefore, most of the ones in the UK are still FREE to use. Also, after using various brands for some time now I can confirm that ABB branded chargers are the most unreliable, with multiple issues. Most others seem to be reliable, especially the ones installed by Ecotricity.
I noticed your car was really dirty in some of these clips, and it reminded me of when I drove to Norway in January last year. Our car get extremely dirty very quickly. I even had to buy wiper fluid for the few days I were there. And it was probably due to my ignorance in quality or something, but that fluid turned out to be far worse than the one I had from Denmark. I actually had to use it every 10 minutes in order to keep the screen clean, compared to every few hours or so. I suspected it was from whatever substances you use to clear the snow on the roads, but I felt like the car got far much dirtier than it ever did in winters in Denmark. What's your (or any other Norwegian reading this) experience on this?
Hello Nyland, a bit off topic, I know you use DC fast charging a lot, when using super chargers are you charged at 100% or 90% as recommended by Tesla, any side effect you encountered? Any advise? thanks. I'm a 3 months owner S85 from H.K.
Thanks for the swift reply. I usually drive 100 km daily round trip from home to office and I visit the Supercharger in between every 2 days. Just wondering if it will shorten the battery life if I charge at 100% for 2 times per week. Have a good day, thx
Daniel WAI You should try to keep the battery around 50 % when possible. So I recommend charging every day instead of every two days. Keeping the battery at low end (0 %) and high end (100 %) will degrade the battery faster. I recommend watching this video if you want to know how to best keep your battery healthy: ua-cam.com/video/pxP0Cu00sZs/v-deo.html
I have one of these on order but I'm a bit concerned. CHAdeMO stations seem to have a reputation for being unreliable, either because they are broken, inaccessible during certain hours, or just poorly maintained by their owners. Also, some are just cheaply made and run into thermal issues with the extended charging sessions required by Model S (due to its large battery). To me, it seems like it would be pretty risky to rely on them during a roadtrip, even if they do potentially offer faster charging.
Hello, would this adapter work on a kia soul ev? I dont have a chademo on my car, online Typ 2. It probably would fit into my car. Could I use it even I dont have a tesla?? Thanks for your help!
Bjørn Nyland , there is one CHAdeMO chargingstation in Norway that takes credit-card, the one in Eigersund . In my opinion creditcard is the way to go, tourists on a road trip needs this option. BTW: both CHAdeMO and CCS supports up to 200A (=100KW@500V), but no-one will install a 200A charingstation before there is a car that can charge with 200A.
Another advantage I see is that, since it's a "CHAdeMO to Type 2" adapter, you could lend it to other car's users, so you could more easily dampen the investment. I can also very easily imagine that your local Tesla club could lend them to any Tesla owner who wants to travel to parts of the world where there are less Superchargers.
Whoa! How heavy is that HUGE adapter?... then you will have to add on the weight of the BIG ChadeMO charging head.... i am hesitant to buy the adapter because i would think all that combined weight will put some serious toque on the Model S and eventually damage the car's charging system?
TheWiseOldChinaman Nah, the weight is not an issue. I'm pretty sure the plug is designed to take some weight. After all, the supercharger cable is a FAT one.
Estonia (not so far from Norway) is covered with CHAdeMO chargers. Wanted to buy my first EV, Hyundai Ioniq, but no CHAdeMO adapter available for it so goodbye EV for me 😟
Nice video again, Bjørn, even for us humble LEAF owners. :-) You mentioned that you think CHAdeMO may be on its way out (longer term), but it's only just become an EU standard, alongside CCS Combo2, so I think it will be around for some time. I hope so, anyway, as a LEAF driver! insideevs.com/chademo-officially-accepted-european-dc-fast-charging-standard/
I hadn't noticed they have removed the option to install dual chargers. Kind of weird if they say it'll cost the same - I guess they got too many questions regarding it? When I buy my own Tesla, I'll likely be charging at home on my red plug, so a dual charger would be really good to have.
What I really would like to know is what is inside the adapter. It is not doing anything to the DC current as far as I can tell, so it seems like it is just a glorified piece of copper wire (high quality, no doubt) together with some chips to iron out the differences between the CHAdeMO and Tesla communications protocols. That would make a $500 price tag seem extremely expensive. I guess Tesla owners are paying the price of being a captive market...
And not only do we have too many charging standards at the moment, but also apps and RFID cards/keyfobs for every finger. There are some larger pan-European ones like Plugsurfing, but not everyone will join them :( In Finland they formed a new, virta.fi service for the previously free charging station networks and they collaborate with some large European network I handn't heard of. We had free charging for quite a while and now every charging station has its own price as they're owned by different companies. And it's pre-paid, you have to transfer money to their "wallet" to be able to charge, if it falls under 10€, they'll charge your credit card for 30€. No PayPal etc. One major player is pricing theirs at 50kW DC charging for 0,22€/min, 22kW AC is 0,15€/kW or 1-2€/h. We still have but a handful of EV's and no incentives...They killed it right away. Someone here made a comparison between different versions of VW Golf and e-Golf came up only 2000€ cheaper to run in 3 years/45 000km than its closest rival. If EV's didn't have car tax or car running tax (higher than hybrids!), it'd be a lot more affordable...the e-Golf starts at 40 000€ here, it's insane. Gasoline version is almost half that.
All Nissan-Dealer in Germany who sell the leaf let you charge for free at their Chademo-Station no matter what car you own. This is a big advantage. Citroën c-zero, Mitsubishi I-Miev, Peugeot Ion, Nissan Leaf and Kia Soul EV will enjoy this. BMW i3 has no Chademo in Europe. Only Japan has got the change to Chademo in BMW i3 At 7:12 you have been at Tesla Hamburg Valvo-Park? Why didn't you use the Supercharger? 450€ @Tesla accessorie-store is a lot more that I expected.
Bjørn Nyland Why do you need a Chademo adapter here in Norway to begin with? You have 85kw of energy versus the 24kw of the Leaf. The Leaf is much more dependent on charging more often then the Tesla. I hope Tesla owner have the audacity to charge for no more then 30 minutes at a time? That is just good and proper etiquette.
Halldor Sigurdsson The CHAdeMO stations were not installed for Leaf and smaller cars only. Keep in mind that charging for one hour usually costs 150 NOK and that it's up to the owner if he/she wants to charge that long. Yes, the Tesla might have a bigger battery pack, but that doesn't mean a smaller car have more right to be on a CHAdeMO as a big one.
Bjørn Nyland Actually every Chademo charging station that is located at a Nissan dealer, Kiwi and McDonald's is in partnership with Nissan. Plus charging for an hour whole others are waiting is NOT acceptable. Leaf owners have an etiquette that they go by we only charge to 80% if others are waiting. If I need to charge more I wait until that person is done charging. This is common courtesy and sad that you think otherwise.
Bjørn Nyland correct, you can also open the chargeport with it, but you need to take out your key every time... I find it very usefull when used at home. No need to take out the key to start or stop charging the car when I get home or leave in the morning...
No, you don't have to wait around. You plug in the car, lock it, and go eat/use the restroom/etc. Use your cell phone app to see when your charge is complete and then come back. It's definitely less dangerous than a gas station because you don't wait around as long and you don't have to pull out any cash or credit card.
Not standars, exact opposite. You have lot of choices where and how to charge your EV. Basically you can charge anywhere where socket is and with the right adapter even from shuko. You dont have to have any adapters if you dont want to and stick to SC.
Bjørn Nyland yet driving a petrol or diesel car you can guarantee any gas station will have petrol and diesel. I want an electric car, I think they're great. However the charging complications are really putting me off. Sticking to superchargers would be great, but they would need to cover a much wider area before I could do that, and I'm not sure they ever will cover rural areas, major routes seem to be their goal.
TheAegisClaw Coming from a guy who haven't owned an electric car before, I understand your concern. However, the reality is, as mravecsk1 mentioned, that the EV offers flexibility. It might sound confusing to you. But believe me, in 30-40 years, people will think it was confusing with all the gasoline types and why the heck anyone would want to drive those cars and also pay for the fuel. Imagine a gasoline car that can run on diesel, petrol, leaded, unleaded, CNG, LPG or even a banana. That's how Tesla is.
TheAegisClaw That's why the superchargers are the smartest bit of teslas business model. If you ask me the chargers are more important to teslas vehicles than the EV's themselves.
Teslas need to stay off our networks. We don't get access to Tesla destination and superchargers. So why should Teslas be able to use our scarce ChaDeMo chargers when they have plenty of chargers for themselves.....
Hi Bjorn
Thanks for doing all the videos on the tesla, really appreciate the time you put into them!!!
Thank you for the feedback :)
It is nice to be able to share this adaptor, you could get 2-3 friends to chip in and share it around so you could use it on longer trips every month or two when it would come in handy.
Thank you for the information Bjorn. As usual for your videos, it was well done and presented without a lot of wandering off topic. i appreciate that. Happy driving. :)
Another very thorough technical report, thanks!
Bjørn,
Thanks for another informative video.
It is very helpful to decide whether to get dual chargers, or the CHadeMo adapter, or neither one, or both. I like the suggestion to get the dual chargers. They should be standard in Europe, with an option to delete one of them. I also like the idea to pick up a pre-owned ChadeMo adapter for even less money than Tesla's reduced price.
I'm wondering wheter we can expect a CCS to Type2 adapter in near future.
Very useful and informed video. Thanks!
Bjorn, is this adapter going to work for other cars like BMW i3? It uses the same type 2 connector as i3? What do you think?
I was also baffled, why there was no dual charger option a few days ago, when ordering EU Model S, when the option was there a month ago.
I have no idea, why would this decision be a good one.
Hi Bjørn.
Where are you going on the next trip? I'm going to France and Germany this summer with my tesla, and I can see that in France there is not many superchargers yet and a lot of Chademos. I have ordered the adapter, and i think it's going to be usefull in France :) I hope;)
But one question. Could you make a video of how to get access to different charging stations in Europe? It seems that you must have different access keys or cards..
I don't think I agree about it being "fairly small". Hopefully they don't need all that space and a more compact solution is possible. Does anyone know if there is a disassembly somewhere on the net?
How the price chadimo adapter...?and where i can buy like thats?
The UK government has provided a grant to cover the costs of installing CHAdeMO chargers. Therefore, most of the ones in the UK are still FREE to use. Also, after using various brands for some time now I can confirm that ABB branded chargers are the most unreliable, with multiple issues. Most others seem to be reliable, especially the ones installed by Ecotricity.
Hi Björn, both CHAdeMO and CCS Combo have been approved by EU as charging standards. So no worries about CHAdeMO in the near future.
Famous last words…
may i let the car charging while is snowing or ranning
Cans this Chademo plug work with 2014 MB B class ( it has a Tesla battery and charging board with L2 charger)?
Nope
I noticed your car was really dirty in some of these clips, and it reminded me of when I drove to Norway in January last year. Our car get extremely dirty very quickly. I even had to buy wiper fluid for the few days I were there. And it was probably due to my ignorance in quality or something, but that fluid turned out to be far worse than the one I had from Denmark. I actually had to use it every 10 minutes in order to keep the screen clean, compared to every few hours or so.
I suspected it was from whatever substances you use to clear the snow on the roads, but I felt like the car got far much dirtier than it ever did in winters in Denmark. What's your (or any other Norwegian reading this) experience on this?
wait all new teslas don't have dual chargers? I assumed it was just standard now.
Can I use the chademo adapter for a 60kw battery car which does not have the supercharging option?? BTW thank you so much for your videos very nice
+Kolbrún María Ingadóttir You will need a software update:
shop.teslamotors.com/collections/model-s-charging-adapters/products/chademo-adapter
The best part at 20:03!
Hey are you not the dude! In the video
M1528A Yea bro, thats me :) Im a colleague of Bjørn.
M1528A Yeah, he's my brotha from anotha motha!
Bjørn Nyland ha ha thats too funny.. video was awesome by the way. hidden surprise. ;)
Hello Nyland, a bit off topic, I know you use DC fast charging a lot, when using super chargers are you charged at 100% or 90% as recommended by Tesla, any side effect you encountered? Any advise? thanks. I'm a 3 months owner S85 from H.K.
I usually charge to 70-80 % at superchargers. Charging to 90-100 % takes very long time:
ua-cam.com/video/B3wOq6WbNoI/v-deo.html
No side effects.
Thanks for the swift reply. I usually drive 100 km daily round trip from home to office and I visit the Supercharger in between every 2 days. Just wondering if it will shorten the battery life if I charge at 100% for 2 times per week. Have a good day, thx
Daniel WAI You should try to keep the battery around 50 % when possible. So I recommend charging every day instead of every two days. Keeping the battery at low end (0 %) and high end (100 %) will degrade the battery faster.
I recommend watching this video if you want to know how to best keep your battery healthy:
ua-cam.com/video/pxP0Cu00sZs/v-deo.html
Wow, this is a long and informative video, will finish it later, thanks anyway. Have a good day ahead.
Alexis: I already mentioned that in the video.
Oops sorry for the repetition :)
Bjørn Nyland ripeee
I have one of these on order but I'm a bit concerned. CHAdeMO stations seem to have a reputation for being unreliable, either because they are broken, inaccessible during certain hours, or just poorly maintained by their owners. Also, some are just cheaply made and run into thermal issues with the extended charging sessions required by Model S (due to its large battery).
To me, it seems like it would be pretty risky to rely on them during a roadtrip, even if they do potentially offer faster charging.
That's why dual charger would be a good 2nd choice.
I agree and I have them already. The more charging options the better when you're on the road.
Hello, would this adapter work on a kia soul ev? I dont have a chademo on my car, online Typ 2. It probably would fit into my car. Could I use it even I dont have a tesla?? Thanks for your help!
Nope, it works only on Tesla.
Bjørn Nyland , there is one CHAdeMO chargingstation in Norway that takes credit-card, the one in Eigersund .
In my opinion creditcard is the way to go, tourists on a road trip needs this option.
BTW: both CHAdeMO and CCS supports up to 200A (=100KW@500V), but no-one will install a 200A charingstation before there is a car that can charge with 200A.
I wonder what the Model 3 will have in terms of charging port, type 2 or CCS?
Most likely the same plug as Model S so it will be compatible with superchargers.
Another advantage I see is that, since it's a "CHAdeMO to Type 2" adapter, you could lend it to other car's users, so you could more easily dampen the investment. I can also very easily imagine that your local Tesla club could lend them to any Tesla owner who wants to travel to parts of the world where there are less Superchargers.
Whoa! How heavy is that HUGE adapter?... then you will have to add on the weight of the BIG ChadeMO charging head.... i am hesitant to buy the adapter because i would think all that combined weight will put some serious toque on the Model S and eventually damage the car's charging system?
TheWiseOldChinaman Nah, the weight is not an issue. I'm pretty sure the plug is designed to take some weight. After all, the supercharger cable is a FAT one.
Whether it is possible to buy CHAdeMO Adapter in Norway or somebody want to sell with earning?
It's not for sale yet.
@10:42"Holy shit, what is that thing, garbage car?" I thought maybe a BMW i8 was sputtering by.
Estonia (not so far from Norway) is covered with CHAdeMO chargers. Wanted to buy my first EV, Hyundai Ioniq, but no CHAdeMO adapter available for it so goodbye EV for me 😟
do all charging networks/stations charge the same fee?
No.
Nice video again, Bjørn, even for us humble LEAF owners. :-)
You mentioned that you think CHAdeMO may be on its way out (longer term), but it's only just become an EU standard, alongside CCS Combo2, so I think it will be around for some time. I hope so, anyway, as a LEAF driver!
insideevs.com/chademo-officially-accepted-european-dc-fast-charging-standard/
Not what I thought it was, but I guess it is a good cheap fix. Thanks. How many Tesla's do you have?
I have one.
I hadn't noticed they have removed the option to install dual chargers. Kind of weird if they say it'll cost the same - I guess they got too many questions regarding it? When I buy my own Tesla, I'll likely be charging at home on my red plug, so a dual charger would be really good to have.
Real good Bjørn, but ordering-lead timesfor the adapter is 3-4 months. :-(
Herr Nyland. Das kostet aber fast EUR 500,00 in Deutschland und ich denke überall das Gleiche ?
Your so funny with the bazooka
how eXpensive is it
are the chedmo's free to charge?
no
Make a video of your tesla,s max speed
What I really would like to know is what is inside the adapter. It is not doing anything to the DC current as far as I can tell, so it seems like it is just a glorified piece of copper wire (high quality, no doubt) together with some chips to iron out the differences between the CHAdeMO and Tesla communications protocols. That would make a $500 price tag seem extremely expensive. I guess Tesla owners are paying the price of being a captive market...
ABB has a chademo charger here in wisconsin at one of their company buildings. It has been broken for 3 months and is still not fixed.
That's too bad.
And not only do we have too many charging standards at the moment, but also apps and RFID cards/keyfobs for every finger. There are some larger pan-European ones like Plugsurfing, but not everyone will join them :( In Finland they formed a new, virta.fi service for the previously free charging station networks and they collaborate with some large European network I handn't heard of.
We had free charging for quite a while and now every charging station has its own price as they're owned by different companies. And it's pre-paid, you have to transfer money to their "wallet" to be able to charge, if it falls under 10€, they'll charge your credit card for 30€. No PayPal etc.
One major player is pricing theirs at 50kW DC charging for 0,22€/min, 22kW AC is 0,15€/kW or 1-2€/h.
We still have but a handful of EV's and no incentives...They killed it right away.
Someone here made a comparison between different versions of VW Golf and e-Golf came up only 2000€ cheaper to run in 3 years/45 000km than its closest rival. If EV's didn't have car tax or car running tax (higher than hybrids!), it'd be a lot more affordable...the e-Golf starts at 40 000€ here, it's insane. Gasoline version is almost half that.
I need this, but the other direction...
A chademo to ccs would be great. We have 2 free chademo chargers near us.
All Nissan-Dealer in Germany who sell the leaf let you charge for free at their Chademo-Station no matter what car you own. This is a big advantage.
Citroën c-zero, Mitsubishi I-Miev, Peugeot Ion, Nissan Leaf and Kia Soul EV will enjoy this.
BMW i3 has no Chademo in Europe. Only Japan has got the change to Chademo in BMW i3
At 7:12 you have been at Tesla Hamburg Valvo-Park? Why didn't you use the Supercharger?
450€ @Tesla accessorie-store is a lot more that I expected.
Weird. Bjorn looks young in this video!
Bjorn, I'm looking for your video in which you climb a mountain and after that you down it by regenerating the battery. Could you help me ? Phil
Maybe it was the Geiranger video.
Thanks :-)
Yeah!
This is why tesla is king. Other carmaker needs adapt to Tesla supercharger!
CHAdeMO chargers cost around $10,000 (without installation) not $100,000 ;)
Including digging, concrete fundament, electric installation, etc, the price in Norway is $100k.
Does that mean I need to wait an hour + since a Tesla is using the Chademo charger? That will annoy me to incredible Heights!
Tesla owners with CHAdeMO adapter would also be annoyed having to wait an hour for two Nissan Leafs to finish charging in the queue...
Bjørn Nyland Why do you need a Chademo adapter here in Norway to begin with? You have 85kw of energy versus the 24kw of the Leaf. The Leaf is much more dependent on charging more often then the Tesla. I hope Tesla owner have the audacity to charge for no more then 30 minutes at a time? That is just good and proper etiquette.
Halldor Sigurdsson The CHAdeMO stations were not installed for Leaf and smaller cars only. Keep in mind that charging for one hour usually costs 150 NOK and that it's up to the owner if he/she wants to charge that long.
Yes, the Tesla might have a bigger battery pack, but that doesn't mean a smaller car have more right to be on a CHAdeMO as a big one.
Bjørn Nyland Actually every Chademo charging station that is located at a Nissan dealer, Kiwi and McDonald's is in partnership with Nissan. Plus charging for an hour whole others are waiting is NOT acceptable. Leaf owners have an etiquette that they go by we only charge to 80% if others are waiting. If I need to charge more I wait until that person is done charging. This is common courtesy and sad that you think otherwise.
Tesla changed there bloody plug to bigger jeez that's big
Bjorn,
What do you think about this Tesla specific charging cables?
ua-cam.com/video/971LmeefDJ0/v-deo.html
EVChargeKing It's useful. But you can hold down the rear fob key for 3 seconds to open the charge port.
Bjørn Nyland correct, you can also open the chargeport with it, but you need to take out your key every time... I find it very usefull when used at home. No need to take out the key to start or stop charging the car when I get home or leave in the morning...
speak it schaadeemoo, not like you do chaddemo !
BMW i3 use at different connector body not chademo hahahahahahahahahaha
Basically I have to wait around for 30 min while the tesla charges?? not even fully. in the states it's a saftey issue. your likely to get robbed
Just get a CCW then....
No, you don't have to wait around. You plug in the car, lock it, and go eat/use the restroom/etc. Use your cell phone app to see when your charge is complete and then come back. It's definitely less dangerous than a gas station because you don't wait around as long and you don't have to pull out any cash or credit card.
4:56 :v :v :v
omg your car is not clean ¤_¤ 1:41
That's right, Sherlock.
Too many charging standards, it's really off-putting to people looking to go electric.
Because diesel, unleaded/leaded, different octane numbers, E85, CNG, LPG, etc is not :P
Not standars, exact opposite. You have lot of choices where and how to charge your EV. Basically you can charge anywhere where socket is and with the right adapter even from shuko. You dont have to have any adapters if you dont want to and stick to SC.
Bjørn Nyland yet driving a petrol or diesel car you can guarantee any gas station will have petrol and diesel. I want an electric car, I think they're great. However the charging complications are really putting me off. Sticking to superchargers would be great, but they would need to cover a much wider area before I could do that, and I'm not sure they ever will cover rural areas, major routes seem to be their goal.
TheAegisClaw Coming from a guy who haven't owned an electric car before, I understand your concern. However, the reality is, as mravecsk1 mentioned, that the EV offers flexibility. It might sound confusing to you. But believe me, in 30-40 years, people will think it was confusing with all the gasoline types and why the heck anyone would want to drive those cars and also pay for the fuel.
Imagine a gasoline car that can run on diesel, petrol, leaded, unleaded, CNG, LPG or even a banana. That's how Tesla is.
TheAegisClaw That's why the superchargers are the smartest bit of teslas business model. If you ask me the chargers are more important to teslas vehicles than the EV's themselves.
Teslas need to stay off our networks. We don't get access to Tesla destination and superchargers. So why should Teslas be able to use our scarce ChaDeMo chargers when they have plenty of chargers for themselves.....
Incorrect. Destination chargers have two signs. The white signs are for all EVs and the red signs are for Teslas. Get your facts right.
wash you're car
Andrew Ferris *your
that doesn't change the fact that you still need to wash YOU'RE car
Andrew Ferris *your