AR3: I Bought A 93 Year Old Bandsaw!
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- Опубліковано 7 гру 2017
- Lie Nielsen Toolworks: bit.ly/Lienielsen
Philip Morley: / @philipmorleyfurniture
Anne Of All Trades: / allaboutanne18
In this episode I'm visiting the Lie Nielsen tools how in Austin, Tx. I had he opportunity to run into several talented woodworkers and friends, above are links to a few of their channels. I also picked up me new 1925 Oliver Bandsaw and started working on the restoration.
Music by Wild Party #AndyRawls #GoAndMakeIt
My butt got some serious camera time in this episode! :)
OffTheRanch I noticed you carry your wallet in the left pocket. Are you leftie? Lol
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OffTheRanch I️ thought about making it the thumbnail...
I liked your fire idea matt
Don't tell Mere.
I love it can you imagine what that saw has made in its life and now you’re going to bring it back to life, my hats off to you son
Looks like a great project. Love seeing the old machines brought back to life. Look forward to watching your progress.
You got the Demolitia helpin you out! I see you
Very nice find!! Can't wait to see the restore videos.
I have a Northfield 20” made in 1945, still going strong.
I can’t wait to see this up and running!!!😁
Very neat! Love to see old equipment come to life again.
Must be so special to make use out of something broken! Really looking forward to see the end result. Im thinking steel blue!
What a beautiful saw. I love when these older machines get another life.
Thom spillane Me too. I just restored a 1937 Buffalo Model 16 drill press. Made a great addition to my shop. Nothing like old American made tools.
Tim Vandenbrink That’s for sure nothing better
Can't wait to see it finished...it will be superb.
Keep it as original as possible, even the paint. I can't wait to see the finished product. But the trip to that point will be the fun.
From a guy who did big machine maintenance, I’m glad to see you putting the bolts you take out back in their home until you’re ready to reassemble. Nothing more irritating than having a box full of bolts with no idea where they go.
I love this and couldn't help but wish I was there. Plus listening to Neil sing "Ohio" in the background made it even better!
Man Andy I'm super jealous. Ever since I got my hands on an old 1952 Oliver 270D table saw and restored it I've been on the hunt for more old wood working machines. Living in Alaska makes them pretty hard to come by. Once you get it going you'll be in love with it. Nothing beats on old heavy cast iron machine for smoothness
Super excited for this series!! One step at a time man, it will be so worth it
You and Matt are my two favorite channels on UA-cam! Awesome to see you guys are friends in real life!
That's cool you learn something new everyday I've lived most of my life in Maine, been back in Maine for almost 12 years now and I didn't even know that company was from here how cool
Andy, great machinery find! As to color, alot of mid-tone gray, green and blues where used. I' 'll do some research and get back to you shortly. There is a video I saw about over-hauling machinery I'll get for ya also. Take close up shots of the machine labels and badges, and vinyl wrap companies can reproduce them cheaply. Great video and I'll be back at ya in 24. "W.W."
That saw is a thing of beauty. Glad to see you brought it back to life.
Look forward to seeing this project, should be interesting!
Oliver is one of the best manufactures of fine woodworking machines hands down. Paint well yes they are green. Good luck.
This is really going to be a labor of love. Can't wait to follow along and see what this beauty is gonna look like.
Major project but well worth it. You will be using that saw with pride for many years. Congratulations.
Super classy project! Pop it in the back of your pick up next time you come to Abilene! Joking aside, kuddos to you for saving this beauty and look forward to watching you bring it back to life!
Maybe paint the green that General International use? Man oh man she's gonna be a beauty!!!!!
Love your channel and can't wait to see you refurbish it. Myself I love refurbishing rusty stuff. I like using wire brush and automotive emery cloth and sandpaper. Also like the flapwheel sandpaper on a drill. Cheers!
Good thing matt has been working out, his muscles are finally being put to good use.
Harrison William I you make a a king's throne...
OR A boomerang
Can you make a ............l
Great score Andy!
That thing is awesome...good buy man. Seriously jealous, next you need a vintage 12 inch jointer! That's my dream machine.
I have a 1920 "Silver" Bandsaw that looks much like yours. I over did the motor with a 5 horse. It is so heavy in the wheels, that I can cut through a 2x4 just by spinning it without the motor. Good luck, looking forward to see your progress
Can't wait to see the saw running.
What a beautiful saw. Looking forward to seeing the rest! I would paint it "Matthias Wandel-green"!
Wish you luck and wisdom with restoring this awsome machine ;-)
Hell of a nice shop, man!
Score of a lifetime !!!
that amazing band saw. I bought a 36" Crecent band saw, was made 1905, I live in Sacramento, Ca. & I find it in Lincoln, Ca.
The best way I've found to remove rust from old tools is by soaking the parts in vinegar. Maybe you could find a huge tub and soak the whole thing! Would you consider not painting it but giving it a clear coat? It keeps the aesthetic alive.
That’s a really nice bandsaw I would love to have one of those. I just build guitars though so I don’t really need anything bigger than the 2 14” Rikons I have.
I have 2 of the same beasts one I use all the time the other needs to be restored. They are amazing machines, I have had the same blade in the one in my shop for years and have not had one break. The large wheels are very easy on the blade. You will get that 100 years of use.
hey andy, another great video. always love the project videos as well
Hoping to use it for the rest of your career. Lol Fix it up nice and take care of it and your great grand kids will be using it.
Hey Andy, you could contact the channel hand tool rescue and ask them how you should go about restoring the bandsaw.
Just a thought/suggestion.
9:37 love the song choice Andy
Beast looks like it was run from an overhead power shaft with a flat belt. You might want to find a v-belt pulley to fit as most motors you find will have that on it already. Also because of the type of power it used it doesnt use the rpms most electric motors will give it. That will take some decisions about pulley ratios to get right if you can find the rpm it was designed to run at.
First time on your website. Saw you unloading the band saw. I have a similar Oliver. One tip, read up on tapered shieves. Next time it'll be a lot easier to get that pulley off.
On really stubborn pullies. Keep spraying the shaft with penetrating oil and let it soak for a day if time isn't a problem. Then use 2 pry bars. One on each side of the pulley with equal force. We use to do a lot of them on the farm I worked at.
Hi Andy. I sent a picture via Messenger, of a formula for Sherwin-Williams paint. Purportedly, they were the suppliers of paint for Oliver during that period.
my thoughts: PB Blaster/WD-40 and a butane blowtorch will be your friends big time. if your looking to repaint and such for the machine: if you have an air compressor, and a die-grinder and a large amount of "Roloc" pads (they look like the rough side of a dish sponge). they come in 3 grades: course, medium, fine and they act like sand paper but they are GREAT for removing rust and old paint. they can smooth out metal as well. i enjoy a lot of tool restoration vids like "Hand Tool Rescue" and several others. I'm very excited to see this one come along!
Vinegar or evaporust will take off the rust with minimal elbow grease. Soak em in it for like a day or so, take it out ans scrub it real good. The channel handtool rescue is very helpful. A blowtorch can help loosen stuck parts.
Wow that thing is a monster! haha great vid man. :)
Hey Andy. I just picked up and old one just like it. Mine is a 32” crescent from about 1918. Very similar. Just painted mine got tires need a bit of machine work on the shaft. But hopefully up and running in the next few months. Good luck with yours!
+erikirish Cav very nice and thanks!
Also I found urethane tires for mine on ebay from bandsawtirewharehouse
It's wonderful
This is your best one yet...
VERY cool. A crankshaft pulley remover would've worked well for the lower wheel. Also, with your hand and drive for quality I'm sure it'll clean up just fine. Cheers.
Can't wait to see it go back together. Don't forget to balance the wheels once the rubber has been applied.
As for a color I'd suggest a light grey or blue.
Under the makers plaque there could be the original color which you could get matched.
Best of luck as I'm an old machinery guy.
Kinda looks like the old belt powered Wadkin I used as an Apprentice Joiner in the 1970's but that also had been re-powered by a three phase electric motor but the wheels were out of balance and it was a bitch to use...still have the scars to prove it..💰💰💰🔧🔨🔩✔✔
that is really friggn cooL!!!
I would love a restoration video on this!
That Oliver stuff was meant to be maintained at the end of every shift, every week, and every month. Maintained that way then worked all day long every day it was intended - and did - wear out generations of operators. That bandsaw is among the best the world has ever seen.
Hoping to use it for the rest of your career
Man what a saw!! Next time you need to use wood to take a pulley off, tape the pieces together. Or get a gear puller from a auto parts store. Looking forward to seeing you getting it running. Good luck
Tools and filson in the same shop. Must be heaven
Nice saw. You did a good thing there. Saved a piece of history. How big is the throat? Looks like 36". When you were trying to get the drive wheel off, I was telling you, "Gear puller. Gear puller." But you didn't hear me. LoL. I suggest getting the table blanchard ground. Look for a tool + die shop in your area. They should be able to make some replacement parts for you - which will likely be hard to find. Imagine your grandsons using it when they're old men. Awesome.
I just got myself a Metabo band saw, but a 93 year old one? Cool!
Man now that's a bandsaw to have made in the day one to be proud of .seen only 1 like that a guy got is after the German war did some work on his house he was to old but his equipment was old and made good
what a beauty.
they make great high quality tools best part is they are made in my home state
Alot of rust removal work coming your way I see
Time to start reading OWWM.org. Read, read, and read some more. Those old parts can be hard to find if you break them because you didn't research. Great saw! Good luck!
Phil Morley, one of my favourite furniture makers
Nice mashine!
I would love to rebuild a bandsaw like this one :3
I mean the restoration looks manageable to me but I already restored a BMW motorbike from 1964 and a 1968 Camaro. If I'd live somewhere close by I'd love to help you get it back to life again...
ASESOME. It’ll work better than any new band saw.
rob-"i wouldn't even bring your camera.."
andy-"oh no way dude....."
*immediately shoots himself driving the forklift lol*
Nice vid!
Good look on getting that piece...I have moved machines like that before ...it's good no one got scythed. It's a bitch restoring that piece, take your time and make it right. Good find! ...Paint it metallic green.
Big clutch puller would have been handy, if they make them that big. I wouldn't be in front of that thing when it popped loose though. I've seen a few brake drums go flying several feet when they pop.
There is a similar bandsaw on an auction out here in Northern California right now. It's a 30" bandsaw, not sure of the manufacturer but it's too tall for my shop. If it would fit I would be in the same rusted boat as you.
Kool Band Saw, looks like you are heading in right direction, maybe a 5hp motor or better will allow you to cut big logs, houses, cars, etc., with no problem!
AHAHAAA...I saw Matt and the Thumb title... immediately thought, "has Matt gone full 'construction ranch'?" And then, "he used the Hummer to drag it to the house" Nice saw Andy!
oh man that thing is going to be soooooo cool. Please fabricate a new guard for that upper wheel so that you will still be able to see it yet work safely. Its just too cool to hide completely behind a cover
+Third Coast Craftsman agreed! I️ think it was originally made with a steel mesh guard. The wheels are my favorite part of the saw!
a guard , u people
When moving any large, heavy object, it seems easiest to lift and pull the lowest leading edge. Your team was pulling down on the upper leading edge, which is analogous to how a car transfers most of its braking force to the front wheels. Using something like a hand truck with a short platform may apply a pulling force more efficiently.
Best of luck with your very ambitious project.
I want that.. She’s a beaut!
im likin the avett brothers being played in the background...
Before you move it brace the floor to the top of the arch I failed to do thatr on one like your and I crack the neck pretty bad
Props to the Dawes in the background.
I use to rebuild & retrofit machine tools for a living. Here are few thing to keep in mind:
1) remove all paint & rust to bare metal.
2) use a industrial filler & primer for the rough cast iron surfaces.
3) when & where possible replace the fasteners (screws, nuts, bolts, etc. . . .) with new and chase the threads with a tap and plenty of oil. Thoroughly wire brush and oil any male threads and gears you cannot replace.
4) get rid of the WD40 and use a good rust preventing oil like Starrett M1 and a penetrating oil like Kroil. WD40 is a good oil & thinner based cleaner for bare metal but not great for stopping rust and working as a lubricant.
5) thoroughly clean or replace any oil reservoir(s) that may exist and replace any lines coming from or leading to the reservoir. If there is a pump and manifold try to replace it as well.
6) thoroughly clean or replace and oil level sights.
7) apply a light open gear specific grease to any gears.
8) ask the mfg. for the recommended oil spec.
9) avoid using sandpaper or emery cloth when cleaning precision surfaces. Scotch Brite, a gummy stone or a machinist stone is all your should use for those surface.
10) have fun.
Hope this helps. And like we use to say in the business: "You got some good iron there."
+Matthew Collins wow this is very helpful! Much appreciated
Andy! i like your forklift i drive one everday!
Good Stuff.
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You’re gonna need a big motor to run that saw!
Hey andy! Name's liam, i recently got an oliver table saw ( no. 11) and its about the same condition that your bandsaw is in. I'm going to watch your series and definitely its going to help me get an idea of where to start, but if theres any resources you found or were recommended to online, those would be a huge help,(part lists, or old ads, lord knows what). only restorations ive done are on a few old stanley hand planes, but nothing like this--although i chose to take the challenge as a 16 year old because i wanted to start out my shop on a good foundation of solid, oldie but goodie tools!
Thanks!
Liam
COOL!
That's a beast of a bandsaw. What HP will a machine of this nature require? I'm guessing at least 5
Great video I love old mechanical stuff new subscriber. A little tip next time you need to push something heavy with a forklift on a trailer, use jack stands under the back end of the trailer or at least some blocking. Also chalk the wheels- I’ve seen way too many guys ruin hitches and transmissions doing this. Here’s the coolest thing though.....ice, get several bags of ice and spread it on the trailer just before you set the weight down. Park on level ground and be ready with some friends to stabilize it. It’ll move easy but the ice melts quick.
+Cory Driver great tip! The trailer actually dropped from my poor forklift skills, I️ was pushing it down with the forks.
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Whatever you do, make shure that you wear a respirator when you remove the paint. Paint that is older than 40 years has probably lead in it.
Cheers
Frank Howarth has a similar one, and he also knows a ton about them...
Oh man, that's just sexy machinery there!! I love old, rusted pieces that can be restored! Andy, did it have a full table on the top, or just the rear piece? I couldn't tell. Can't wait to see the finished product!!
Full table! Weighs around 150 pounds.
Frank Howarth has a similar bandsaw that he refurbished. You should try reaching out to him
make sure that you check that the wheels are true round.
If they are out of round luckily it's a simple fix.
The age of the bandsaw would suggest that it has babbit bearings you'll probably need to re-pour them as I don't think that you'll be able to replace them with regular bearings.
but then again I haven't seen the bearings in any of your videos.
+Ortwin Scholler surprisingly it has ball bearings! I’ll have to check the wheels, they seemed to be well balanced
Does that old Oliver have leather bushings or bearings? If it has the old leather bushings I would suggest that you have it machined to take modern bearings. It will cost a bit but will make your life with the machine much simpler.
I saw Matt from Demo Ranch in there! Next time call Nick Bare for the heavy lifting!