These Are The Best Sawhorses Period!

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  • Опубліковано 3 сер 2017
  • Watch as I build a pair of Krenov style sawhorse for the shop. I'm using hand tools to cut all the joinery, all parts were milled on the machines.
    If you want to learn more about how to build these go check out Philip's channel where he has step by step videos bit.ly/2vz4iGV
    You can also download plans at Philips website
    bit.ly/2wob4wj
    Hand Tools I Use
    Chisels amzn.to/2v5t8uK
    Tenon Saw amzn.to/2wdBJM9
    Lie Nielson Block Plane bit.ly/2uayiZi
    Combination Square amzn.to/2wdrBTH
    Camera amzn.to/2vJIOaa
    Microphone amzn.to/2vz19Xd
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  • @craftedworkshop
    @craftedworkshop 6 років тому +3

    Man, some Krenov sawhorses have been on my list for AWHILE. I think going all hand tools on that build might be a fun challenge for me. Great work as always Andy.

    • @AndyRawls
      @AndyRawls  6 років тому

      +Crafted Workshop they're great sawhorses, first pair I've made and I'm really enjoying them.

  • @Philipmorleyfurniture
    @Philipmorleyfurniture 7 років тому +21

    Thanks so much for the shout out Andy! Awesome video! Nice touch with the scorpion at the end. :P I had a blast working with you!

    • @AndyRawls
      @AndyRawls  7 років тому +3

      +Philip Morley Furniture You bet Philip!! I enjoyed working with you as well👍

    • @richardtullius6419
      @richardtullius6419 6 років тому +1

      Philip Morley Furniture 2@

  • @AreBaloni
    @AreBaloni 7 років тому +3

    Thank you for doing this! You sharing your knowledge and skills is very inspirational!

  • @sessiontelemetric5618
    @sessiontelemetric5618 6 років тому +1

    Man, honestly, I think this is one of my favorite woodworking vids on UA-cam. Thanks for posting.

  • @bunuwu4592
    @bunuwu4592 7 років тому +3

    It’s really cool and amazing how you can just make stuff out of wood it’s a skill that I really appreciate and would love to learn

  • @woodywoodworkerfuller9921
    @woodywoodworkerfuller9921 7 років тому +5

    Great video. I'm from the great country of TEXAS also. Born and raised.
    Pretty good hand tool skills. Love your channel.
    I'm a woodworking history buff & a nit picky, hair splittin ole bastard. With that being said, that's not actually a saw horse. It either a saw buck or a timber trestle. Horses have legs, four of them. Your workbench is more of a saw horse than what you built, it holds wood an has four legs.
    Great work. Love your channel.

    • @grahamwalton9435
      @grahamwalton9435 3 роки тому

      texas is not a country its a state,do you know its part of the usa

  • @nathanb7981
    @nathanb7981 7 років тому

    I find your videos so amazing I watched all of them in one sitting

  • @Mikhandmaker
    @Mikhandmaker 7 років тому

    Great Job! Hands tools💪🏼

  • @lorenemartin7362
    @lorenemartin7362 6 років тому +1

    These are the best work on a sawhorse I've seen to date. Great workmanship. A real carpenter.

    • @199gSauerkraut
      @199gSauerkraut 5 років тому

      look here --->
      "ua-cam.com/video/QRYPrRi7Cas/v-deo.html"

  • @russellschumacher3409
    @russellschumacher3409 7 років тому +2

    Loves the videos man! Keep it up!

  • @socaloutdoors7355
    @socaloutdoors7355 6 років тому +1

    I like that shop. Great vid.

  • @gusvortech
    @gusvortech 4 роки тому

    What a solid build man, 👍🏻 really dig how functional these are.

  • @1musicsearcher
    @1musicsearcher 6 років тому +1

    Sweet! I can see myself making several of these.

  • @skippylippy547
    @skippylippy547 6 років тому +1

    I liked this video Andy! Very nice display of hand tool joinery. Thank you. ^5

  • @wildthing4749
    @wildthing4749 7 років тому +1

    Your videos are so relaxing to watch

    • @WretchedRick84
      @WretchedRick84 6 років тому

      If you wanna see something not relaxing. Check out Pantera "primal concrete sledge "live in Moscow.

  • @mookeythepimpthompson6031
    @mookeythepimpthompson6031 4 роки тому

    So glad I found this channel.

  • @ColdWarVet607
    @ColdWarVet607 5 років тому +1

    Wow! The slow buzz of the saw, tapping of the hammer &wood chipping by the chisels was so relaxing and tranquil my pulse & BP both dropped 10 pts. Thanks for keeping shop souns & not screwing up with horrid music or video doubles of yourself.

  • @woodscrew5612
    @woodscrew5612 7 років тому +2

    Nice combo video! Those are a bit nicer than my crappy plastic ones!

  • @victortallerbushcraft442
    @victortallerbushcraft442 7 років тому

    Buenísimo! ! 👍

  • @cjmaddux
    @cjmaddux 7 років тому

    Another quality video, my friend. I am so proud to finally have a piece of furniture made by you in my home! Baby is due in 3 weeks, and then the rocker can get some proper use! Thanks again, and as always looking forward to future videos

    • @AndyRawls
      @AndyRawls  7 років тому +1

      +cjmaddux so good to hear...I've been thinking about you and that rocker. Glad to hear you got and I hope it serves you well!!

  • @raymondjurado9203
    @raymondjurado9203 6 років тому

    Nicely done!

  • @o2bsam
    @o2bsam 4 роки тому

    Been meaning to do this project for goin’ on 20 years. lol quarter sawn red oak is on the way. Thanks y’all stay safe.

  • @TimButterworth
    @TimButterworth 7 років тому +2

    Wrenches to check size on the lathe is brilliant!

  • @LOUDFARTNOISES
    @LOUDFARTNOISES 6 років тому +9

    Needs saw horses.
    Spends all day making saw horses.
    Forgets why he needed saw horses to begin with.
    Good days work.
    Thanks Andy!

  • @kevinmolick
    @kevinmolick 6 років тому

    Wow. This brought back memories when I built about dozen of these in varying sizes 35 years ago. I only used them in our shop and they where great because they stacked tight together. I cheated though back then. I used motorized tools.

  • @greg6107
    @greg6107 6 років тому

    Well done, just right for shop

  • @alexiscool562
    @alexiscool562 6 років тому

    You are the man brother!!!!!

  • @user-wn9gj8yn7d
    @user-wn9gj8yn7d 4 роки тому

    Красивая работа! Спасибо!

  • @aerial_camera_video_imaging
    @aerial_camera_video_imaging 4 роки тому +1

    Nice, simple, everyday carpentry. Thank you.

  • @BCdesign1
    @BCdesign1 6 років тому

    They look great Andy,I enjoyed the video!!nice work!

  • @robertbrunston5406
    @robertbrunston5406 6 років тому

    Very good! Thank you.

  • @blbelt2001
    @blbelt2001 7 років тому

    Another great video as always Andy! I may be looking to do a commission piece soon, so keep an eye out!

  • @Slovenianwoodworker
    @Slovenianwoodworker 7 років тому

    There is no such thing as best saw horses :-)
    Nice video dough.
    Good luck

  • @alangeorgebarstow
    @alangeorgebarstow 6 років тому +11

    I live in Sweden where they do not have sawhorses. Here they call them sågbock, which translates as "sawgoat". I kid you not!

    • @dekurvajo
      @dekurvajo 6 років тому +4

      Alan George Barstow similar in hungary. And guess what? Only male goats hahaha! Funny thing is sounds pretty similar (i think the word has Germanic origin: Bak

    • @AustrianJager
      @AustrianJager 5 років тому +1

      Same in German. "SägeBOCK". Which is the male form of a sheep or a goat. :-)

    • @louispeene3382
      @louispeene3382 5 років тому +1

      Haha in the netherlands they say zaagbok :)

    • @Tome4kkkk
      @Tome4kkkk 3 роки тому

      In Poland it's kobylka which means "a mare" (female horse), but additionally it's in diminutive form :)

  • @jamesgsmith5379
    @jamesgsmith5379 6 років тому

    That's a sweet set of horses.

  • @fadidridi2505
    @fadidridi2505 7 років тому

    nicely done.

  • @ericjensen9375
    @ericjensen9375 5 років тому +1

    Interesting track hurdles.

  • @AerialLensVideo
    @AerialLensVideo 6 років тому

    EXCELLENT -- both the sawhorses AND the videography! Instructive - leaves nothing to guesswork - and the video cuts and transitions are perfectly created and timed! I'm guessing you were a ASC camera guy before you were a carpenter. World Class all the way! SUBSCRIBED.

  • @ikust007
    @ikust007 3 роки тому

    Cheers mate ! Nic Taylor made a nice one like that .

  • @groggycl
    @groggycl 7 років тому

    hey man! great shop. how much sqr footage is it??

  • @lcrazyjeff
    @lcrazyjeff 7 років тому +13

    watching this video on 1.5 speed will save you a lot of time. Also, I was hoping for an explanation as to why these are better than the pyramid shaped saw horses?

    • @pinkspiders34
      @pinkspiders34 6 років тому +6

      No explanation cuz they simply are not. XD

    • @dj3114
      @dj3114 6 років тому +2

      Actually, they are excellent for a wood shop but agree not good for construction sights. They sit tightly together for storage, plenty strong enough for a shop and they make the best gluing stations for panels because they are 3d. You can put clamps in any direction because so little actually sits on the "horses".

    • @rfphill
      @rfphill 3 роки тому +1

      Yeah, adjustable height sawhorses with modular inserts for various functions (rollers, casters, etc) seem so much more useful... especially if you have a small shop and you can't afford to waste a lot of space.

  • @randallfrank5682
    @randallfrank5682 6 років тому

    Love the two different socks on the guy on the left!

  • @woodtool2882
    @woodtool2882 Рік тому

    Very nice.

  • @alphasigmasezon8597
    @alphasigmasezon8597 6 років тому

    Good job

  • @coopmcoop
    @coopmcoop 7 років тому +1

    Great work guys.
    What is the purpose of the flip over top rail?

  • @bamafisherman9924
    @bamafisherman9924 7 років тому

    What kind of dust collector do you use

  • @timothybird2850
    @timothybird2850 3 роки тому

    Where can you find this type of hardwood? I’ve looked at a couple different local sawmills and have been turned away and also home depo/Lowe’s no luck

  • @goatsears
    @goatsears 7 років тому +5

    Great skills and a great video but way more effort than I would want to put into a saw horse, just a personal opinion.

    • @mule666
      @mule666 4 роки тому

      They are great iff you got nothing else to do but there are better video s with stronger ones that are built in a second

  • @briancorboy1042
    @briancorboy1042 6 років тому

    I admire your tools; original marples, eclipse coping saw, but have a much simpler and compact saw horse design.

  • @sumosprojects
    @sumosprojects 7 років тому

    Never heard of you before today, cool build. UA-cam filter on different makers suck as in the 3 years I've been viewing it your channel has not appeared, oh well here now 👍

  • @Madigan101st
    @Madigan101st 4 роки тому

    hi Andy, although the Fine Woodworking plans don't call for it, were you tempted to dowel or peg the mortise and tenon joint between the upright foot? I know a good fit plus titebond is absolutely enough, especially because the stress on that joint is always working "with it" (downwards/closing) but the joint seems kind of naked to me without a drawbore? thank you!

  • @martinoamello3017
    @martinoamello3017 6 років тому

    Nifty little trick chopping mortises.. if you're hands shake like mine take a minute and cut a shallow groove the same width and length of the mortise first just to help keep your chisel from wandering from side to side as you get it started..
    Thanks for the video.

  • @CheetoTheCat
    @CheetoTheCat 6 років тому

    I love your video style; no endless chatter. Just doing. Two thumbs up.
    I’m not sure I understand though, the virtue in doing this project by hand. You have lots of cool power tools. Isn’t time valuable too?

  • @thatguythatdoesstuff7448
    @thatguythatdoesstuff7448 6 років тому +1

    Mortising with a regular chisel? Oh man, where are the galoots to harass this guy?
    Great video collaboration. It's an amazing time in history for Makers of all kinds.

  • @benblackwell44
    @benblackwell44 6 років тому +2

    From the comments I have read about the Krenov style sawhorses, it seem like some people are missing the point. These horses are not designed to support a ton of sheetrock but instead are great in a custom furniture shop. I was introduced to them at Santa Fe Community College's fine woodworking program. They probably have 20 plus pair for the students to use and I never saw a broken one. How much real estate would it take to store 20 pair of traditional horses? I have made four pair myself plus I have two pair of traditional horses; the Krenov style is what I prefer to use. Tell me what weight would be reasonable in a custom furniture shop, I will try to load mine to that amount and will post the picture if they fail.

    • @spudpud-T67
      @spudpud-T67 6 років тому

      Totally agree these nay sayers have not read the "Krenov" reference in the description. Its like they would scoff and say a nail gun is the only fixing device and the sledge is the only hammer you need. Horses for courses, not all of us build houses.

    • @bighands69
      @bighands69 5 років тому

      +Ben Blackwell
      They are lightweight, Easy to transport and offer support on small projects. There are many different options when it comes to saw horses.
      You would swear everybody here was doing green oak carpentry and needed it for a whole tree.

  • @thomasyt2902
    @thomasyt2902 7 років тому

    Best youtuber

  • @spudpud-T67
    @spudpud-T67 6 років тому

    A lot of "not sturdy enough for the construction site" comments here. They are light weight supports and if you see James Krenov's delicate work they are just perfect. I have some with a rotating roller on one face as an out-feed stand. In a small cabinet makers shop they are the best. As soon as you see Krenov you should think of a smaller, refined tool.

  • @johnlyles3683
    @johnlyles3683 6 років тому +10

    I watched as much as I could, but every aspect of this build was done the absolute hardest way possible. I can appreciate someones woodworking skills, but really there are much easier ways to do all of this.

    • @bighands69
      @bighands69 5 років тому

      It is a pretty sawhorse. I would have used screws in the joints.

    • @carlf8224
      @carlf8224 5 років тому +1

      you obviously did not watch the beginning of the video when they explained he was going to build it by hand without power tools.

  • @internettoughguy
    @internettoughguy 7 років тому +6

    Nice work nut it looks flimsy for a sawhorse.

  • @dagemsinke3412
    @dagemsinke3412 7 років тому +71

    2:02 is where the actual video starts. You are welcome!

    • @elbob248
      @elbob248 7 років тому +9

      Wow! Nobody would have ever discovered that. Brilliant!

    • @RiaanOliver
      @RiaanOliver 7 років тому +1

      Dagem Sinke thanks man, I would of just moved on.

    • @rjamsbury1
      @rjamsbury1 6 років тому +3

      Dagem Sinke Thanks, seriously guys - the unnecessary waffle spoils an excellent build video

    • @jamescagle8529
      @jamescagle8529 6 років тому

      Garret f

  • @Onehurtdevildog
    @Onehurtdevildog 7 років тому +4

    Love you're vids Andy!!

  • @mysticjbyrd
    @mysticjbyrd 7 років тому +2

    They look top heavy to me. What happens when you pull a board off from the front? Does it want to tip?

  • @eoinbogan9896
    @eoinbogan9896 6 років тому

    Your videos are amazing and so are the pieces u make . What is the name of the piece at 3:25 that you hammer into the bench as a clamp of sorts .

  • @ellenlee9390
    @ellenlee9390 Рік тому

    How soon will it be delivered

  • @drewjohnson4673
    @drewjohnson4673 6 років тому

    On a construction site, these would perform like a rocking horse.

  • @BarryGordon58
    @BarryGordon58 6 років тому

    12:57 I live their song WINDS OF CHANGE.

  • @felixezequiel9292
    @felixezequiel9292 6 років тому

    Hi, where can I find the dimensions?
    Thanks

  • @samuelroberts334
    @samuelroberts334 7 років тому

    What species of wood did you make that out of?
    Pretty nice!!!!

    • @Mishn0
      @Mishn0 6 років тому +1

      looks like poplar

  • @Mischalin
    @Mischalin 7 років тому +76

    I Love Vids where people dont talk. Who agrees with me?

    • @dekurvajo
      @dekurvajo 6 років тому

      DutchMischa just as i like people who dont talk when they are working :)

    • @royhoco5748
      @royhoco5748 6 років тому +6

      I would answer your question but I am trying not to talk

    • @bonnivilleblackcherry9745
      @bonnivilleblackcherry9745 6 років тому

      I love videos where the title of the video actually applies. These saw horses are jokes for stability.

    • @keystonecarpenter3002
      @keystonecarpenter3002 6 років тому +1

      I also love when is not a 15 part series on making saw horses or sharpening you pencil.

    • @mmanut
      @mmanut 5 років тому

      Love them, every Woodworker / Carpenter needs a few sets of those. Great Job‼️👍👍 Vinny 🇺🇸

  • @chesteranand8845
    @chesteranand8845 3 роки тому

    How did you do the cut on the feet. Did I miss a step

  • @johnr5545
    @johnr5545 2 роки тому

    Nice job god bless

  • @TheStinkyda
    @TheStinkyda 4 роки тому

    Should get your self a set of "mortising chisels! :) I used to do them with cabinetmakers flat chisels like this 30 years ago . then invested in mortising chisels and never looked back. takes half the time square shoulders are a snap with a chisel that is meant to be hit with a mallet, and tapered for deep removal of cross grain material. I also prefer medium sized round head brass chisel mallets or shop made hardwood ones.
    Nice job , I do find the direction of your chisels while chopping the mortize interesting, complete opposite to my training.
    I guess what ever gets er done.
    Did not see you cut the tenons for the wedges, did you drill a small hole at the bottom of the V to reduce stress and avoid splitting down the grain later on?
    Cheers, Dan

  • @MintStiles
    @MintStiles 5 років тому

    These are technically trestles, also built to that height - more for holding stuff than sawing. I use a similar design with a half I-beam design instead of interchangeable top. They are surprisingly NOT flimsy, as opposed to many examples of overbuilding their horses/trestles on UA-cam. I think they are trying to hold up an entire deck. You just want something light and stable in most cases.

  • @richardshort4587
    @richardshort4587 6 років тому

    What brand of hand chisel do you use please and thank you

    • @wmauibill
      @wmauibill 6 років тому

      Richard Short The Blue Handle chisels look like Marples

  • @meybo111
    @meybo111 7 років тому +2

    Is he dutch in any way?

  • @nationaltradesman1781
    @nationaltradesman1781 6 років тому

    I build (2) hawses in the time it took for you guys to yak and sip tea. lol

  • @balefulsolstice9402
    @balefulsolstice9402 7 років тому

    can you make a tutorial video making a long board press

  • @zatoichi101
    @zatoichi101 6 років тому

    Well, God damn, boys! With the amount of work and time you put in to putting together a simple saw horse, they better darned well be the BEST!! Just sayin' -- those are nice, but WOW, what a lot of effort!

  • @toddcorey3190
    @toddcorey3190 7 років тому

    #andyrawls Great vid as usual. I wanted to say thanks to the vids you've made, I learned a lot from you and your style. I was wondering tho, is that pine, ash, .....? It looks pretty soft. Thanks

  • @boydmooso4826
    @boydmooso4826 6 років тому

    love the socks

  • @dekurvajo
    @dekurvajo 6 років тому +1

    o: How do you attach the pencil on to your t-shirt?

    • @Joshleslie871
      @Joshleslie871 4 роки тому +1

      Attila Szabo with a wedged through mortise and tenon

  • @frenchriversprings
    @frenchriversprings 6 років тому

    You seem to be really at piece when you do woodworking

  • @scottgates601
    @scottgates601 4 роки тому

    Andy, probably the dumbest spot to chop a mortise (In the vice like that). Do it on your bench over a leg preferably, you'll notice the efficiency increase right away.

    • @AndyRawls
      @AndyRawls  4 роки тому

      Scott Gates I was taught to do it in the vise...I’ve done it both ways and I prefer the vise. Efficiency comes from a properly sharpened chisel and good technique not where you place your workpiece on the bench

    • @scottgates601
      @scottgates601 4 роки тому

      No worries, old habits die hard I guess. Could see the wood move when you were chopping. Obviously sharp tools are priority but when your work piece is moving on each strike that’s just simple loss of energy from the mallet/chisel which should be going into the work piece.

  • @savmantha
    @savmantha 7 років тому +1

    I don't know if you've addressed this, but how long have you been woodworking? I just started as a hobby about a year ago and get kind of discouraged because nothing comes out exactly the way I want it to.

    • @nickandkenny1
      @nickandkenny1 7 років тому +1

      Savannah Flesher give it more time, since it's only been a year. It's some time, but you'd need more. I'm taking a construction class in HS rn and it's somewhat similar to this and I'm pretty bad. But I'm gonna have it till I graduate and I reckon by that time, I'd be half decent.

    • @bighands69
      @bighands69 5 років тому

      If you want to get good at woodworking then start with the basics. Cut and practice joints every day. Practice will make you good.
      People get too focused on projects instead of focusing on technique. I can guarantee if you practice cutting dovetails and tenons every day you will be an expert in about a year and a master in two years.
      Get a small japanese saw and learn to cut small joints at first and then scale them up as you get more confident. Everything you do try and use hand tools.
      I would even suggest planing wood up by hand to get it square. Anybody can actually use an electric saw.

  • @elvism684
    @elvism684 4 роки тому

    I think they use these on track and fields for runners to jump over.

  • @geraldlico2840
    @geraldlico2840 7 років тому +2

    Nice job

  • @Gwynbuck
    @Gwynbuck 6 років тому

    You cleaned up the cheeks of the tenon with a block plane, but I'm wondering, wouldn't a hand router be more accurate?

  • @darkzeusmlbb230
    @darkzeusmlbb230 7 років тому

    Nice,
    Next time can you made a wooden sword ? Because it will be fun if there was a thing to play 👍

  • @GT-elqt
    @GT-elqt 5 років тому

    Nice workmanship. I had to quit watching early since I needed to build a sawhorse in 10 minutes. Will revisit though when I need a permanent one. Good job though.

  • @davekintz
    @davekintz 6 років тому

    even the dog was yawning

  • @gregpamachena4063
    @gregpamachena4063 7 років тому

    What is the tool used around 5:25 and what is it used for? Is it just for smoothing and edging surfaces?

    • @tonygarbarini3174
      @tonygarbarini3174 7 років тому

      block plane

    • @lucasmurphy5407
      @lucasmurphy5407 7 років тому

      Greg Pamachena That's a plane... He uses it like every video

    • @robhat86
      @robhat86 7 років тому

      He is using a rabbeting block plane. It can be use as a regular block plane but it also allows you to get closer into corners and such

    • @AndyRawls
      @AndyRawls  7 років тому

      +Greg Pamachena that's a rabbet block plane. It's great for sizing the tenons to the mortise. I can get a perfect fit with this tool. There's a link in my description to where you can buy it.

  • @flyingash
    @flyingash 3 роки тому

    Wow

  • @MrGeroth
    @MrGeroth 6 років тому

    Wow, that’s a lot of work for a saw horse.

  • @Ganesha900
    @Ganesha900 6 років тому

    What I like about your video is that it teaches one how to make several different types of cuts with simple tools. Wow, your wood working is amazing! Thanks.

  • @acman0926
    @acman0926 6 років тому

    Why the extra pin holes in the top rail? I missed something

  • @diggerdeb
    @diggerdeb 7 років тому

    Do you have a link to Philips channel ? Sorry if I missed it.

    • @AndyRawls
      @AndyRawls  7 років тому

      +Deb Malloy yes there's one in the description👍

    • @Microfrost
      @Microfrost 7 років тому

      It looks like there's only the card at the end of the video right now.

    • @diggerdeb
      @diggerdeb 7 років тому

      Thanks

  • @lumpy6
    @lumpy6 3 роки тому

    Great for lightweight materials and practicing joinery, but bad design for heavier construction materials. The glued M+T joints work well to control racking in-plane, but 90 degree loading relies entirely on the M+T at the base. Splayed legs like the British "single bevel trestle" are better for heavier loads.

  • @SandyWalsh
    @SandyWalsh 7 років тому +9

    Nice video but it's a saw horse, not an Eames chair. Let's see how it holds up when you're sliding one of those long boards across the top. Tippy?

    • @bighands69
      @bighands69 5 років тому +1

      Some sawhorses only need to offer light support. Others are used for cutting and shaping whole trees. It all depends.

  • @genin69
    @genin69 5 років тому +6

    Technically these are Trestles

    • @rocifier
      @rocifier 3 роки тому +1

      yeah I was like "Wtf" when I saw these. Can't apply pressure to one end, can't clamp work down to it, not as useful as sawhorses when it comes to being a sawhorse...

    • @genin69
      @genin69 3 роки тому

      @@rocifier yup

  • @KingAverage-pn9us
    @KingAverage-pn9us 6 років тому

    How is the pen attached to his shirt? Shirt looks to new to have a hole, unless he put it there on purpose. A magnet would be uncomfortable. Using a wrench as a go-nogo gauge was genius.