Thanks for the refresher. I recently pulled it out to use with a bunch of other gear...but it's funny, after 12 years I had forgotten what used to come so easily. I learned to make music on this with no computer, all internally sequenced. I think it gave me more vision once I switched over to ableton...you had to always be so creative and resourceful. Thanks again. Now I need to brush up on EFX.
i'm ir for read other users review of the Ensoniq EPS classic sequencer. I used it since 2 days but i found it totally suck!! It's very hard to do a simple beat loop.. come back to the MPC 2K ! All the rest is good and perfect, but damn this sqncer.. no.
Excellent straightforward tutorial! Btw I loved the ESQ1 sequencer limited yes but utterly super easy to use and perfect with outboard hardware! Thanks for making this!
I can't seem to find an answer to my problem, either in comments, forums, or the manual. I want to record track mix volume for smooth fades between sequences and I can't seem to get it to work. Like having a pad gradually fade out while the drums continue. I've been trying to put it in edit-seq record mode-add then selecting the track mix and adjusting while recording. It doesn't seem to record anything but the first volume setting at the beginning of the sequence and though I can insert each and every volume change in the event edit track page, I'd rather not get used to that if I don't have to. "Track mix (volume) and pan data can be recorded dynamically into a track by selecting the appropriate parameter field and then adjusting the value using the data slider and the Up/Down buttons". But what is the appropriate parameter field?
Hello from Traverse City Michigan! I have an EPS. Trying to transpose a song/sequence to fit my vocal range. Can’t find anything in manual or online! Any ideas? Thanks!
thx for the videos! in regards to setting the volume in your mix, why not just edit volumes via Edit -> Amp -> WS Volume? i don't have any problems with this and its faster. is there any difference or advantage to doing it your way?
+J Quest Because Edit/Amp -> WS Volume only affects one sample, not the entire instrument. That function is used to alter the balance between samples in a multi-sampled instrument, not for changing the volume of an instrument. Although it would technically work, you wouldn't want to adjust the volume and panning on the WS level for a piano that samples all 88 different keys, only to find out that you want to pan everything a touch more to the right. That would be a nightmare.
+cellarseer you mean i would have to edit the Amp value for each key/layer? i'm doing it on a drum set, and as long as i have All wavesamples selected, it affects the entire instrument. are you referring to instruments where only one layer is selected? a bit confused...
+J Quest If your method works for you then keep using it until it doesn't. It's not like there's some 'rule' that you have to do it a particular way, so if it suits your workflow then all is good.
+J Quest To answer more precisely, yes, the layers issue is a good example because on the EPS16 you can only select all wavesamples for one given layer at a time. So it all depends on the complexity of your instrument as to whether that's an easy workflow or not. Also, even though it scales the wavesample volume/panning when you adjust all samples in that layer simultaneously, you're losing precision. In other words, the scaling has rounding errors. Not a major issue by any means, but it could affect your balances to a degree. The point is that the architecture is designed so that Edit/Amp is only for intra-instrument sample balancing whereas editing instrument volume on the track level is inter-instument. A significant repercussion of this is that any mix adjustments can be saved and recalled without saving the instrument versus if you Edit/Amp adjust an instrument then you have to save your entire instrument if you want those adjustments to be saved. Problem is, if you save your instrument then it will throw off any mixes you've made that use that same instrument. The Edit/Amp method adjusts the volume for ANY songs/banks that feature that instrument whereas the mix level only adjusts the volume in that particular song. Using Edit/Amp to adjust sample volume certainly works in 95% of circumstances, but it's not "proper" workflow in terms of the design of the sampler. Tracks also contain/record mixdown volume data so that you can automate fade in/out, etc. This doesn't work directly with wavesample data, it works with mix levels, so the distinction between wavesample volume and instrument volume becomes very important in that regard.
this is great .. I have a asr 10 rack mount that I need to get to grips with .. I wonder if you did a tutorial walk thru on the air 10 rack mount version .. I hope so .. because this tutorial or walk thru was very efficient ....
Thank you again, learned a lot from your videos. Could you pls make a video of how you play an entire song switching sequences. Also: How to apply the swing thing on beats as it doesn't have this feature?
Hello, very interesting your video. I'm using asr-10 rack and has the same menu. Please could you make a video tutorial on saving instruments from floppy on a scsi hard disk? Explain how the directories are created and how the instruments are loaded into those positions .. What are the limits of directories / macros. It is quite confusing that subject, and in my case I want to spend all instruments floppys the hard drive to have everything in one place. Thank you for your video. Best regards
+Futago Sounds. All your questions are answered here: www.cellarseer.com/EPS16/EPS16_SCSI_MANUAL.PDF Once you understand how it works, I suggest using a program on the computer to do such things (assuming you have a SCSI card installed). EnsoniqFS and/or Translator would be a good place to start.
hey man, all of your videos have been a huge help. thanks so much for uploading them. i have a weird issue with my 16 plus where whenever i turn it on, no matter what disk is in the drive (or even if no disk is in there at all), i'm only allowed to load the same 6 instruments (rock drums, rock bass, ob - 8, multi organ, dist guitar, piano 241). I can still sample things, but I can't seem to load any other instruments from any other floppys, and these instruments seem to be somehow embedded in the hardware memory (which I didn't think was possible with instruments that weren't loaded). Sorry for the wall of text - any ideas? thanks again for the great vids
It's the flashbank. Use CMD/System and select "Change Storage Device" and scroll down to floppy. Now load/save instruments will be directed to the floppy instead. The flashbank is an expansion (which you luckily have, apparently) which lets you write the OS and instruments to the EPS internally instead of on floppy or SCSI. It can also work like a memory expansion, in a sense, which is a trick I plan on explaining if I ever make another video.
Jim wates I got a euro Eps 16+ w/ a 240v transformer. I just ordered one thats US and 120v. The Euro transformer Looks Way different from the US version. Plus my EPS 16 + Rack uses a schuko plug. It shouldn't be a problem Switching these right? No fuses should be changed or no component are going to fry once i plug it in too. Right? Plus after I do the install I'm using a US 3, Prong plug too. Cause now it's americanized? Right? Also, Thank you for your tutorial.. Helped big time. i didn't realize the 16 +, was so cheap with it effects. They do sound damned good though right. So I followed the directions of "Effect Resampling" With a full jazz bass W/ Duel Delay across the key bed, surprisingly, it's makeup of only 2, Wave samples, however, Six notes are played. I followed the direction's and then ask's to play a key. To bad it doesn't let you set a keyboard range instead of one note. So when I resampled W/Effect. I started W/4.50secs like you did. It resulted in playing like a click with a delay instead of a bass note. I tried to make the seconds longer too. Still the same.Is This For Only doing one WS played with one note at a time? I think theres a way I can just resample the baseline I made to in order to make it all fit into one WS. I think the EPS Classic allows me to do that. What should I do? I know at the very end of your video you touched on it shortly and said it would be a pain in the neck. Any suggestions. Thank you very much man..
This isn't the gospel, but I believe replacing the transformer like that is the best course of action. It should be even safer than using an external step-up/down transformer. I can't think of any problems with doing that, if you've got an appropriate tranny to do so.
As far as the resampling/FX thing goes, I'm not sure what you mean by "six notes". The resampling only applies on an individual WS basis. I wouldn't recommend resampling a delay (although I did it in my tutorial) unless it's for a very specific use in one song. Why? Because the tempo of delay will only apply to that one song. Even worse, even if you get the delay right for the root note, if the WS is transposed (which is would be for a bass, unless you're sampling chromatically) then the delay is going to get stretched/expanded and fall a little out of sync. The less WS in the instrument, the more inaccurate the delay will be.
Lexxcoop78 Press; CMD.-SEQ.SONG-Left or Right till you see "EDIT SONG STEPS-ENTER-The song edit page appears. Note... make sure you make your sequences first. Like; Seq 1, and 2, and so on. In Song mode you'll notice you can stack your Sequences by pressing enter on each Sequence. You'll be able to repeat sequence's too. You can get a manuel too. The EPS Classic is pretty much the same in case you can't find the 16. I have the classic.
Check this out,, I don't know if most of you have this problem with your machines... I own the EPS, 16+, and the ASR 10.. "I know, Lucky me" One thing I noticed about the three, maybe it was fixed in the ASR-10 and I just don't know how to do it? When I save beats to either SCSI or Disk, I never saves my mix... I mean it saves my levels because I mix the levels using EDIT>Track>Mix, however, Let's say I made some changes to the drums... Like changed the panning of my high Hats and added some filter to the bass drum, on any instrument... Using the EDIT>AMP commands, it doesn't save it.. Even if I use the presets... It will just change the volumes. I know if I save the instrument according to the songs It would definitely save that way, but, I don't have the space for that...
+Jim wates How do you think changes to an instrument are going to be saved unless you save the instrument? In other words, why is Edit/Amp different than replacing a wavesample? Surely if you replace a ride cymbal with a crash and then save the sequence but not the instrument then it's not going to have the crash in it when you reload the instrument, right? So what's different about the Edit/Amp parameters? Hopefully I'm understanding you correctly.
+Jim wates So you want to save changes made to an instrument without actually saving the instrument. See how nonsensical it sounds when you break it down like that? Saving a song is going to save the mix level for whatever was in the track/bin, yes. Is it going to alter/save the instrument itself? No. Saving a bank is only going to save a list of instruments to load, not the instruments themselves. So if you change an instrument, save the instrument to itself, then load some banks containing that instrument, ALL the banks are going to use that newly modified instrument and not the state of the instrument as it was when the banks were saved. There's no way to save an instrument "revision" history without saving multiple versions of that instrument. Using Edit/Amp alters the instrument itself, therefore you must save the instrument itself. Instrument data is not stored in anything but an instrument. It makes sense if you look at the architecture. It's not a bug.
+Jim wates Think of it this way: Say you had a drum kit you used all the time and saved twenty songs/banks with that drum kit for your gigs. You realize that there's a 3ms pause before the kick sample comes in and you want it to be tighter. It's something that's been bugging you for the last five years, you just never realized why the kick always sounded late. Now you trim out the silence at the start of the kick sample and save the instrument. Next you load up a song/bank featuring that drum kit. Do you want that 3ms pause at the start of the kick sample to come back every time you load an old bank/song and ruin your latest instrument tweak? Surely not, because it's a full-on improvement/upgrade to that instrument; it's a better version. Why is Edit/Amp different than editing a wavesample? It's all still a part of that instrument.
Seems, EDIT>TRACK, is able to be saved.. I know what your saying... When I make my drums I always give then quit edit's. I always pan My Hats, my toms,, left, and center right. I never pan hard left or right either.. Unless it calls for it... Especially if the drums are in the Flash bank on the 16+. But every song and beat is different... Sometimes you want your High Hat, say at 45% when its originally on 25%, Maybe the conga's haven't been panned and you panned them to left, middle left, center, middle right, and hard right..... Basically, Most of my songs and beats have different panning on H Hats, the snares level is changed and I have it set to Bus 2, and I have a Filter with Env 1 modulation.. That's why I wouldn't want to commit the drum set from the original... I hear you with "what's the difference" between Edit>Amp or Edit>Track, Edit track is for the entire instruments data, where Edit>Amp allows you to edit single WS's.Tomorrow I'm going to make a beat on the 16+....Maybe its just different on the ASR-10... It seems all 3, of my machines saves Edit>Track>Mix.The levels of the Instruments, but not the the data recorded on Edit>WS>Amp... Let me get it straight tomorrow and I'll be in touch. I've been writing down my mixes lately.. Thanks for your concern though.. I'll be in touch..
Thanks for the refresher. I recently pulled it out to use with a bunch of other gear...but it's funny, after 12 years I had forgotten what used to come so easily. I learned to make music on this with no computer, all internally sequenced. I think it gave me more vision once I switched over to ableton...you had to always be so creative and resourceful. Thanks again. Now I need to brush up on EFX.
Kind of funny, I learned to make music with ableton and just picked up one of these
I watched this video with the audio going thru my eps-16. Sounds pretty good on distortion effext
Sava Petrovich woweee!
Thanks for taking time to make these great tutorials on the EPS 16+, excellent work!
These tutorials are fairly laborious, so I appreciate the encouragement, gents.
I can only hope to inspire great music.
Last night a tutorial saved my life! Props mane, this is awesome. You're helping a lots of cats, peace.
I love this old machine! Thanks so much for really great tutorials. Much appreciated!
Greetings from Sweden
Cut my teeth on the original EPS. Taking me back with these vids, keep it up! The old ensoniq stuff gets hardly any respect.
i'm ir for read other users review of the Ensoniq EPS classic sequencer. I used it since 2 days but i found it totally suck!! It's very hard to do a simple beat loop.. come back to the MPC 2K ! All the rest is good and perfect, but damn this sqncer.. no.
Just got my hands on a EPS 16+ these tutorials have helped me out a bunch thanks :)
Superb tutorial. Thanks so much for putting the time in.
Quite welcome. I wish I had time to make a few more.
Excellent straightforward tutorial! Btw I loved the ESQ1 sequencer limited yes but utterly super easy to use and perfect with outboard hardware!
Thanks for making this!
I can't seem to find an answer to my problem, either in comments, forums, or the manual. I want to record track mix volume for smooth fades between sequences and I can't seem to get it to work. Like having a pad gradually fade out while the drums continue. I've been trying to put it in edit-seq record mode-add then selecting the track mix and adjusting while recording. It doesn't seem to record anything but the first volume setting at the beginning of the sequence and though I can insert each and every volume change in the event edit track page, I'd rather not get used to that if I don't have to. "Track mix (volume) and pan data can be recorded dynamically into a track by selecting the appropriate parameter field and then adjusting the value using the data slider and the Up/Down buttons". But what is the appropriate parameter field?
Thanks for this vid I definitely learnt a few things. Great pace.
Hello from Traverse City Michigan! I have an EPS. Trying to transpose a song/sequence to fit my vocal range.
Can’t find anything in manual or online! Any ideas? Thanks!
Thank you for your brilliant tutorial :)
Awesome video, personally I rather sequence my EPS-16 from Ableton but every now and then I use the internal sequencer for the fun of it.
Great video! clear and instructive!
hello please i bought a bespoke eps 16 plus it shows nothing but numbers. no sound or nothing. please do you need a program or what?
you need to load the operating system (OS Disc) onto the unit.
excellent video, thank you for sharing.
Is it possible to change sequence using program change or other midi command?
thx for the videos! in regards to setting the volume in your mix, why not just edit volumes via Edit -> Amp -> WS Volume? i don't have any problems with this and its faster. is there any difference or advantage to doing it your way?
+J Quest Because Edit/Amp -> WS Volume only affects one sample, not the entire instrument. That function is used to alter the balance between samples in a multi-sampled instrument, not for changing the volume of an instrument. Although it would technically work, you wouldn't want to adjust the volume and panning on the WS level for a piano that samples all 88 different keys, only to find out that you want to pan everything a touch more to the right. That would be a nightmare.
+cellarseer you mean i would have to edit the Amp value for each key/layer? i'm doing it on a drum set, and as long as i have All wavesamples selected, it affects the entire instrument. are you referring to instruments where only one layer is selected? a bit confused...
+J Quest If your method works for you then keep using it until it doesn't. It's not like there's some 'rule' that you have to do it a particular way, so if it suits your workflow then all is good.
+J Quest To answer more precisely, yes, the layers issue is a good example because on the EPS16 you can only select all wavesamples for one given layer at a time. So it all depends on the complexity of your instrument as to whether that's an easy workflow or not. Also, even though it scales the wavesample volume/panning when you adjust all samples in that layer simultaneously, you're losing precision. In other words, the scaling has rounding errors. Not a major issue by any means, but it could affect your balances to a degree.
The point is that the architecture is designed so that Edit/Amp is only for intra-instrument sample balancing whereas editing instrument volume on the track level is inter-instument. A significant repercussion of this is that any mix adjustments can be saved and recalled without saving the instrument versus if you Edit/Amp adjust an instrument then you have to save your entire instrument if you want those adjustments to be saved. Problem is, if you save your instrument then it will throw off any mixes you've made that use that same instrument. The Edit/Amp method adjusts the volume for ANY songs/banks that feature that instrument whereas the mix level only adjusts the volume in that particular song. Using Edit/Amp to adjust sample volume certainly works in 95% of circumstances, but it's not "proper" workflow in terms of the design of the sampler.
Tracks also contain/record mixdown volume data so that you can automate fade in/out, etc. This doesn't work directly with wavesample data, it works with mix levels, so the distinction between wavesample volume and instrument volume becomes very important in that regard.
+cellarseer thanks! there's a lot to wrap my head around with this wonderful piece of gear and your insight is priceless!
this is great .. I have a asr 10 rack mount that I need to get to grips with .. I wonder if you did a tutorial walk thru on the air 10 rack mount version .. I hope so .. because this tutorial or walk thru was very efficient ....
The interface is identical, this should help
with the ASR. I use the ASR key and even I an getting some useful tips from this vid.
Thank you again, learned a lot from your videos. Could you pls make a video of how you play an entire song switching sequences. Also: How to apply the swing thing on beats as it doesn't have this feature?
There are ways to get approximation of swing. I'll try to make tutorial or explain it in the near future.
квантизируй в 16 T(triplets)))будет тебе свинг близкий к пит року
Thanks, man. Eye opening. I hope to meet you one day
Hallo! Is there a way of resampling a short 1 bar sequence into a wavesample? Many thanks for all your vids
I figured it! 2 hours later!
Sorry and thanks...
how did you accomplish this? if you don't mind me asking.
Could You please make a tutorial for creating a sequence in multimode with multiple instruments ?
Hello, very interesting your video. I'm using asr-10 rack and has the same menu. Please could you make a video tutorial on saving instruments from floppy on a scsi hard disk? Explain how the directories are created and how the instruments are loaded into those positions .. What are the limits of directories / macros. It is quite confusing that subject, and in my case I want to spend all instruments floppys the hard drive to have everything in one place. Thank you for your video. Best regards
+Futago Sounds. All your questions are answered here: www.cellarseer.com/EPS16/EPS16_SCSI_MANUAL.PDF
Once you understand how it works, I suggest using a program on the computer to do such things (assuming you have a SCSI card installed). EnsoniqFS and/or Translator would be a good place to start.
PLEASE MORE TUTORIALS PLEASEEE!!!
can I send you ,prey for this ! this helped me too much ! thank you and god bless you for share knowledge
hey man, all of your videos have been a huge help. thanks so much for uploading them. i have a weird issue with my 16 plus where whenever i turn it on, no matter what disk is in the drive (or even if no disk is in there at all), i'm only allowed to load the same 6 instruments (rock drums, rock bass, ob - 8, multi organ, dist guitar, piano 241). I can still sample things, but I can't seem to load any other instruments from any other floppys, and these instruments seem to be somehow embedded in the hardware memory (which I didn't think was possible with instruments that weren't loaded).
Sorry for the wall of text - any ideas? thanks again for the great vids
It's the flashbank. Use CMD/System and select "Change Storage Device" and scroll down to floppy. Now load/save instruments will be directed to the floppy instead. The flashbank is an expansion (which you luckily have, apparently) which lets you write the OS and instruments to the EPS internally instead of on floppy or SCSI. It can also work like a memory expansion, in a sense, which is a trick I plan on explaining if I ever make another video.
you are a saint my friend. i bought it used a week or so ago, so i figured it was busted somehow. huge relief. Thanks!
Thank you !!
Anyone know if the EPS 16 rack has the same transformer as the The keyboard version?
I know the ASR10 uses the same tranny for key and rack, and I'm 90% sure the EPS16 does as well.
Thank you.
Jim wates I got a euro Eps 16+ w/ a 240v transformer. I just ordered one thats US and 120v. The Euro transformer Looks Way different from the US version. Plus my EPS 16 + Rack uses a schuko plug. It shouldn't be a problem Switching these right? No fuses should be changed or no component are going to fry once i plug it in too. Right? Plus after I do the install I'm using a US 3, Prong plug too. Cause now it's americanized? Right?
Also, Thank you for your tutorial.. Helped big time. i didn't realize the 16 +, was so cheap with it effects. They do sound damned good though right. So I followed the directions of "Effect Resampling" With a full jazz bass W/ Duel Delay across the key bed, surprisingly, it's makeup of only 2, Wave samples, however, Six notes are played. I followed the direction's and then ask's to play a key. To bad it doesn't let you set a keyboard range instead of one note. So when I resampled W/Effect. I started W/4.50secs like you did. It resulted in playing like a click with a delay instead of a bass note. I tried to make the seconds longer too. Still the same.Is This For Only doing one WS played with one note at a time? I think theres a way I can just resample the baseline I made to in order to make it all fit into one WS. I think the EPS Classic allows me to do that. What should I do? I know at the very end of your video you touched on it shortly and said it would be a pain in the neck. Any suggestions. Thank you very much man..
This isn't the gospel, but I believe replacing the transformer like that is the best course of action. It should be even safer than using an external step-up/down transformer. I can't think of any problems with doing that, if you've got an appropriate tranny to do so.
As far as the resampling/FX thing goes, I'm not sure what you mean by "six notes". The resampling only applies on an individual WS basis. I wouldn't recommend resampling a delay (although I did it in my tutorial) unless it's for a very specific use in one song. Why? Because the tempo of delay will only apply to that one song. Even worse, even if you get the delay right for the root note, if the WS is transposed (which is would be for a bass, unless you're sampling chromatically) then the delay is going to get stretched/expanded and fall a little out of sync. The less WS in the instrument, the more inaccurate the delay will be.
Thank you
What did.....prince use?
I cannot figure out how to layer sequences so I can make a full song!!
Lexxcoop78 Press; CMD.-SEQ.SONG-Left or Right till you see "EDIT SONG STEPS-ENTER-The song edit page appears. Note... make sure you make your sequences first. Like; Seq 1, and 2, and so on. In Song mode you'll notice you can stack your Sequences by pressing enter on each Sequence. You'll be able to repeat sequence's too. You can get a manuel too. The EPS Classic is pretty much the same in case you can't find the 16. I have the classic.
Check this out,, I don't know if most of you have this problem with your machines... I own the EPS, 16+, and the ASR 10.. "I know, Lucky me" One thing I noticed about the three, maybe it was fixed in the ASR-10 and I just don't know how to do it?
When I save beats to either SCSI or Disk, I never saves my mix... I mean it saves my levels because I mix the levels using EDIT>Track>Mix, however, Let's say I made some changes to the drums... Like changed the panning of my high Hats and added some filter to the bass drum, on any instrument... Using the EDIT>AMP commands, it doesn't save it.. Even if I use the presets... It will just change the volumes. I know if I save the instrument according to the songs It would definitely save that way, but, I don't have the space for that...
+Jim wates How do you think changes to an instrument are going to be saved unless you save the instrument? In other words, why is Edit/Amp different than replacing a wavesample? Surely if you replace a ride cymbal with a crash and then save the sequence but not the instrument then it's not going to have the crash in it when you reload the instrument, right? So what's different about the Edit/Amp parameters? Hopefully I'm understanding you correctly.
No... Say you load a Kit of drums and make a beat..... When your done the beat, You go to Edit>Track
+Jim wates So you want to save changes made to an instrument without actually saving the instrument. See how nonsensical it sounds when you break it down like that? Saving a song is going to save the mix level for whatever was in the track/bin, yes. Is it going to alter/save the instrument itself? No. Saving a bank is only going to save a list of instruments to load, not the instruments themselves. So if you change an instrument, save the instrument to itself, then load some banks containing that instrument, ALL the banks are going to use that newly modified instrument and not the state of the instrument as it was when the banks were saved. There's no way to save an instrument "revision" history without saving multiple versions of that instrument. Using Edit/Amp alters the instrument itself, therefore you must save the instrument itself. Instrument data is not stored in anything but an instrument. It makes sense if you look at the architecture. It's not a bug.
+Jim wates Think of it this way: Say you had a drum kit you used all the time and saved twenty songs/banks with that drum kit for your gigs. You realize that there's a 3ms pause before the kick sample comes in and you want it to be tighter. It's something that's been bugging you for the last five years, you just never realized why the kick always sounded late. Now you trim out the silence at the start of the kick sample and save the instrument. Next you load up a song/bank featuring that drum kit. Do you want that 3ms pause at the start of the kick sample to come back every time you load an old bank/song and ruin your latest instrument tweak? Surely not, because it's a full-on improvement/upgrade to that instrument; it's a better version. Why is Edit/Amp different than editing a wavesample? It's all still a part of that instrument.
Seems, EDIT>TRACK, is able to be saved..
I know what your saying... When I make my drums I always give then quit edit's. I always pan My Hats, my toms,, left, and center right.
I never pan hard left or right either.. Unless it calls for it... Especially if the drums are in the Flash bank on the 16+.
But every song and beat is different... Sometimes you want your High Hat, say at 45% when its originally on 25%, Maybe the conga's haven't been panned and you panned them to left, middle left, center, middle right, and hard right.....
Basically, Most of my songs and beats have different panning on H Hats, the snares level is changed and I have it set to Bus 2, and I have a Filter with Env 1 modulation..
That's why I wouldn't want to commit the drum set from the original...
I hear you with "what's the difference" between Edit>Amp or Edit>Track, Edit track is for the entire instruments data, where Edit>Amp allows you to edit single WS's.Tomorrow I'm going to make a beat on the 16+....Maybe its just different on the ASR-10...
It seems all 3, of my machines saves Edit>Track>Mix.The levels of the Instruments, but not the the data recorded on Edit>WS>Amp...
Let me get it straight tomorrow and I'll be in touch. I've been writing down my mixes lately..
Thanks for your concern though.. I'll be in touch..
Have 2 of them.