It might not quite be the same nightmare of body horror we'd imagine, hacking off portions of ourselves, but it is telling that both Dark Lords eventually succumbed to the same ploy, and literally disfigured themselves; lessened themselves spiritually, in the name of their ambition. Morgoth couldn't create, and so had to deplete himself in order to taint others, and gain a semblance of dominion over them, while Sauron basically did the same, pouring himself into his ring, and while that act did have perks, for a time, I can't imagine it wasn't a monstrous thing do to themselves.
Well said! It's fascinating-and tragic-to see how both Morgoth and Sauron paid the ultimate price for their ambition by literally breaking parts of themselves. They tried to gain power by "pouring" themselves into their creations, but in the process, they lost so much of who they were. Morgoth weakened himself to control and corrupt, and Sauron did the same with the Ring, locking his spirit into something he couldn’t fully control. It’s a twisted kind of sacrifice-one that ultimately left them both shadows of their former selves. Makes you wonder if they ever realized how monstrous their actions were, or if they were too far gone to care.
it was hubris plain and simple,he felt no being in their right mind would refuse to use ultimate power for themselves,no one is that PURE,the choice of a Hobbit was genius 🤔
Oh, that’s a cool thought! If the Dagor Dagorath really does happen, I could totally see Sauron trying to come back in some form to fight with Morgoth, even if he's a shadow of what he used to be. He'd be super weakened without the Ring, but in a final battle like that, I wouldn’t put it past him to claw his way back somehow. Evil seems to have a way of sticking around in Middle-earth, even if it’s just a flicker of what it once was!
Gandalf, as a servant of the Valar who remained true to his mission, would return to Mandos. However, for Sauron and Saruman, it's a different story. Tolkien implies they lost their right to Mandos’s halls. They became something akin to “wandering spirits,” barred from rest and judgment, a tragic end fitting their relentless ambition.
Melkor’s temporary pardon was unique, as he initially hid his true intentions. For Sauron, though, his corruption seemed irreversible. Unlike Melkor, he never sought genuine redemption; his heart was set on domination until the end. So, I’d say the Valar would be far less likely to forgive him, even if they somehow had the power to bring him back.
Saruman’s fate was indeed grim. After his death, his spirit was cast into the void-similar to Sauron’s after the One Ring was destroyed. Both had forsaken their original purposes, losing any hope of returning to the grace of the Valar. Tolkien showed just how far they’d fallen from the beings they were meant to be.
You know everyone wants to make a coffee in the morning have a chat, chill a little do some work gave some jokes and have a good day, not some fuking bunch of regards drilling your head with nonsense
Everyone ones to have a coffee in the morning have a chat do some work and chill. If you don't get a long you don't get a long don't make anyone to go for genocide to have some rest
It might not quite be the same nightmare of body horror we'd imagine, hacking off portions of ourselves, but it is telling that both Dark Lords eventually succumbed to the same ploy, and literally disfigured themselves; lessened themselves spiritually, in the name of their ambition. Morgoth couldn't create, and so had to deplete himself in order to taint others, and gain a semblance of dominion over them, while Sauron basically did the same, pouring himself into his ring, and while that act did have perks, for a time, I can't imagine it wasn't a monstrous thing do to themselves.
Well said! It's fascinating-and tragic-to see how both Morgoth and Sauron paid the ultimate price for their ambition by literally breaking parts of themselves. They tried to gain power by "pouring" themselves into their creations, but in the process, they lost so much of who they were. Morgoth weakened himself to control and corrupt, and Sauron did the same with the Ring, locking his spirit into something he couldn’t fully control. It’s a twisted kind of sacrifice-one that ultimately left them both shadows of their former selves. Makes you wonder if they ever realized how monstrous their actions were, or if they were too far gone to care.
This is one thing I always wondered about
I totally get that! Sauron’s fate after the Ring’s destruction leaves so much to the imagination.
Wtf didn't he use all his crafting skills to build protection for Mt. Doom? Like a damn door
LOL
it was hubris plain and simple,he felt no being in their right mind would refuse to use ultimate power for themselves,no one is that PURE,the choice of a Hobbit was genius 🤔
BUT, if one takes the Dagor Dagorath as "canon", will he resume a form to fight at the side of Morgoth, if he be so diminished?
Oh, that’s a cool thought! If the Dagor Dagorath really does happen, I could totally see Sauron trying to come back in some form to fight with Morgoth, even if he's a shadow of what he used to be. He'd be super weakened without the Ring, but in a final battle like that, I wouldn’t put it past him to claw his way back somehow. Evil seems to have a way of sticking around in Middle-earth, even if it’s just a flicker of what it once was!
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i'm using the microsoft bing generator. It's same of Dall-E if your prefer
He would go to the halls of mandos, as did gandalf.
Saruman, sauron would be judged by the valar.
Gandalf, as a servant of the Valar who remained true to his mission, would return to Mandos. However, for Sauron and Saruman, it's a different story. Tolkien implies they lost their right to Mandos’s halls. They became something akin to “wandering spirits,” barred from rest and judgment, a tragic end fitting their relentless ambition.
The Valar forgave Melkor once for his terrible crimes.
Would they do so again..??
Melkor’s temporary pardon was unique, as he initially hid his true intentions. For Sauron, though, his corruption seemed irreversible. Unlike Melkor, he never sought genuine redemption; his heart was set on domination until the end. So, I’d say the Valar would be far less likely to forgive him, even if they somehow had the power to bring him back.
No.
the magic starf of plothole can sit him free anyday.
Haha, true! Tolkien’s world does have its share of “magic plot devices” that seem to pop up at just the right moment
I wonder if saruman suffered a similar fate
Saruman’s fate was indeed grim. After his death, his spirit was cast into the void-similar to Sauron’s after the One Ring was destroyed. Both had forsaken their original purposes, losing any hope of returning to the grace of the Valar. Tolkien showed just how far they’d fallen from the beings they were meant to be.
Ww2
Their where going for war anyways I it just more people switched sides because of this provocation. Zajabali vsie prosta
You know everyone wants to make a coffee in the morning have a chat, chill a little do some work gave some jokes and have a good day, not some fuking bunch of regards drilling your head with nonsense
Everyone ones to have a coffee in the morning have a chat do some work and chill. If you don't get a long you don't get a long don't make anyone to go for genocide to have some rest