A lot of unsubstantiated speculation. We see a lot of that with the blue wizards, not helped by Tolkien's own indecisiveness. It usually falls into they either turned evil like Saruman, they died trying like Gandolf (the gray), or they got distracted like Radagast. But why does it have to be like that? Remember the wizards were emissaries of the Valar they served and brought their attributes. Radagast came from Yavanna and loved nature, Gandolf came from Varda and brought wisdom, patience, and empathy. Saruman, like Sauron, came from Aule and liked building and order. The blue wizards though... the blue wizards came from Orome, the hunter. He liked going out at night, hunting down monster, and killing them. It was while doing so he found the Elves and taught them. While the other Valar debated on what to do he left and guided them westward. He and Tulkas were suspicious of Melkor even after he had done his time in the halls of Mandos and been released. When Melkor and Ungoliant stole the light of the trees it was Tulkas and Orome that gave chase. Morgoth feared Orome (and Tulkas). He was strong, brave, and fearless but still just and kind, he wasnt afraid to get his hands dirty. I see no reason to not think the blue wizards wouldnt mirror their patron. In fact when the first was recruited for this quest he asked the other if he wanted to come along and the answer was (apparently) some version "hell yeah, Im in" Why does their fate have to mirror the other three? Maybe they helped the eastern and southerners defeat Sauron and stayed to remain teachers and protectors. "Valinor is kind of boring, we can do more good here." Heck, they could have even split up. One going south and one going east. They might not even have seen each other for centuries. We simply dont know. As for the "only corrupt men to the east", rubbish. 4 of the 7 houses of Dwarves were there. Who knows how many Elves were also to the east. It was hardly just men. Infact, like the real world, there were probably more men, elves, and dwarves to the east than to the west.
You bring up some really interesting points! I love the idea of the Blue Wizards mirroring Oromë’s traits-strong, fearless, and proactive. It’s refreshing to think that their fate doesn’t have to mirror the others. If they embodied Oromë’s spirit, it makes perfect sense they could have stayed in the East or South, hunting down darkness and empowering the people there. And you’re absolutely right-there were Dwarves and possibly Elves in the East, so their mission wouldn’t have been limited to Men. Maybe they did exactly what you said: split up, helped various peoples resist Sauron, and stayed to guide and protect them. There’s so much room for possibility here, and that’s what makes their story so fascinating-it’s a blank canvas for imagination.
I much enjoyed this story of what may have happened to the blue wizards and what they faced. I wonder if Tolkien intended to write about it one day. Any letters on this?
While I like the idea that they "stayed on the Light Side", I actually think that it would be better if they fell and were corrupted. Why? Because that way, it means 3 out of the 5 wizards sent fell to evil. Leaving only Radagast, and Gandalf to complete their missions. It makes Gandalf even better as a character, as then, he resisted the temptations that all but one other of his order succumbed to. And THAT just shows his remarkable sense of good, and his resolve to complete his mission to aid the peoples of Middle Earth, a mission that nearly all the others failed in.
That's an intriguing perspective! There's something powerful in the idea that Gandalf and Radagast remained true while others were lured away from their purpose. It would certainly add weight to Gandalf’s resolve and resilience. The Blue Wizards, in particular, are shrouded in such mystery-Tolkien hinted they journeyed east to disrupt Sauron's forces, but he also left it ambiguous enough that theories of their potential fall or corruption could fit just as well. If they had been corrupted, their role in the East could have intensified Sauron's influence, drawing more followers to his cause and making his dominion even more vast. It’s possible their impact would’ve shaped the very balance of power in Middle-earth, putting even more pressure on Gandalf and the Free Peoples in the West. In this light, Gandalf's success becomes a more solitary triumph, contrasting against the failings of his order-a testament to his character and steadfastness. But what about Radagast? While he didn’t “fall,” he also didn’t actively contribute to the fight against Sauron in the same way Gandalf did. Do you think his more passive role in Middle-earth was a kind of failure, or was he fulfilling his mission in his own way?
A lot of unsubstantiated speculation. We see a lot of that with the blue wizards, not helped by Tolkien's own indecisiveness. It usually falls into they either turned evil like Saruman, they died trying like Gandolf (the gray), or they got distracted like Radagast. But why does it have to be like that? Remember the wizards were emissaries of the Valar they served and brought their attributes. Radagast came from Yavanna and loved nature, Gandolf came from Varda and brought wisdom, patience, and empathy. Saruman, like Sauron, came from Aule and liked building and order. The blue wizards though... the blue wizards came from Orome, the hunter. He liked going out at night, hunting down monster, and killing them. It was while doing so he found the Elves and taught them. While the other Valar debated on what to do he left and guided them westward. He and Tulkas were suspicious of Melkor even after he had done his time in the halls of Mandos and been released. When Melkor and Ungoliant stole the light of the trees it was Tulkas and Orome that gave chase. Morgoth feared Orome (and Tulkas). He was strong, brave, and fearless but still just and kind, he wasnt afraid to get his hands dirty. I see no reason to not think the blue wizards wouldnt mirror their patron. In fact when the first was recruited for this quest he asked the other if he wanted to come along and the answer was (apparently) some version "hell yeah, Im in" Why does their fate have to mirror the other three? Maybe they helped the eastern and southerners defeat Sauron and stayed to remain teachers and protectors. "Valinor is kind of boring, we can do more good here." Heck, they could have even split up. One going south and one going east. They might not even have seen each other for centuries. We simply dont know.
As for the "only corrupt men to the east", rubbish. 4 of the 7 houses of Dwarves were there. Who knows how many Elves were also to the east. It was hardly just men. Infact, like the real world, there were probably more men, elves, and dwarves to the east than to the west.
You bring up some really interesting points! I love the idea of the Blue Wizards mirroring Oromë’s traits-strong, fearless, and proactive. It’s refreshing to think that their fate doesn’t have to mirror the others. If they embodied Oromë’s spirit, it makes perfect sense they could have stayed in the East or South, hunting down darkness and empowering the people there.
And you’re absolutely right-there were Dwarves and possibly Elves in the East, so their mission wouldn’t have been limited to Men. Maybe they did exactly what you said: split up, helped various peoples resist Sauron, and stayed to guide and protect them. There’s so much room for possibility here, and that’s what makes their story so fascinating-it’s a blank canvas for imagination.
I much enjoyed this story of what may have happened to the blue wizards and what they faced. I wonder if Tolkien intended to write about it one day. Any letters on this?
Thanks friend. As i know Letters 156 and 211
@TalesOfTheRing thank you!!
It could just be me but I feel like I'm just hearing the same thing repeated over and over just in different ways.
While I like the idea that they "stayed on the Light Side", I actually think that it would be better if they fell and were corrupted.
Why?
Because that way, it means 3 out of the 5 wizards sent fell to evil. Leaving only Radagast, and Gandalf to complete their missions. It makes Gandalf even better as a character, as then, he resisted the temptations that all but one other of his order succumbed to. And THAT just shows his remarkable sense of good, and his resolve to complete his mission to aid the peoples of Middle Earth, a mission that nearly all the others failed in.
That's an intriguing perspective! There's something powerful in the idea that Gandalf and Radagast remained true while others were lured away from their purpose. It would certainly add weight to Gandalf’s resolve and resilience. The Blue Wizards, in particular, are shrouded in such mystery-Tolkien hinted they journeyed east to disrupt Sauron's forces, but he also left it ambiguous enough that theories of their potential fall or corruption could fit just as well.
If they had been corrupted, their role in the East could have intensified Sauron's influence, drawing more followers to his cause and making his dominion even more vast. It’s possible their impact would’ve shaped the very balance of power in Middle-earth, putting even more pressure on Gandalf and the Free Peoples in the West. In this light, Gandalf's success becomes a more solitary triumph, contrasting against the failings of his order-a testament to his character and steadfastness.
But what about Radagast? While he didn’t “fall,” he also didn’t actively contribute to the fight against Sauron in the same way Gandalf did. Do you think his more passive role in Middle-earth was a kind of failure, or was he fulfilling his mission in his own way?
I would pay so much for a story from Tolkien on the lives of the Blue Wizards.
it would be so good!!
everyone always asks who are the blue wizards but not how are the blue wizards
thats true!
Just my two cents but I think doing your own narration sounds better. I assume this is an AI voice?
Yes sir
@ the video where you used what I assume is your voice was way more captivating.
I rather like this voice.
@@LadyAlaina42-c3e hey, fair enough.