Why Metal Magazines are Better || DURAMag
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The best magazines are the ones Rambo uses. They stick out no further than a 30 rounder but hold 800 rounds.
that's a secret mag that they don't sell to the public.
"Hold my donut" 🍩😂😂😂😂😂
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Maybe it's like the bb gun mags with the gear at the bottom that reloads the clip without taking it out.
lol on semi how fast do you dump a 30 round mag? then on movies it’s full auto 1 magazine and they are shooting for 5+ mins.
That mag would not sit on that table for 100 years sir. Because thats a free mag. Whos gonna pass that up? 😂
“Magazines are perishable items.” Remember this if you’re in a state that bans regular mags and your fudd buddies get exited because the state says they’ll “grandfather in” currently owned mags.
*Those mags will not last forever*
It’s still a ban.
Yarp. When they start doing funky sh*t throw ‘em in the trash and get a new one no matter what they’re made of.
No ita not. Free men dont ask permission. Get together and do whats necessary OR HAND IN ALL YOUR GUNS BECAUSE YOU WILL NEVER USE THEM!
@@Future-Preps35 Can be brazed (if aluminum) or epoxied in a pinch :)
@@darrinray550 yup! And folks should take one thing away from this: buy as many standard capacity mags as you can afford Now, as well as the appropriate amount of ammo, and practice with a few designated magazines until failure. Be prepared to take those known & trusted magazines to a fight if/when we need to. That time looks like it's coming faster than any of us imagined. Let's make sure they're scared to fuck with us any further. If not...just go ahead and turn 'em in now. We may need all able-hands on deck. Halfway Heroes should stay home anyway.
Just get a Lancer mag
metal mags are actually lighter than pmags
Truth
Indeed
They also fit in most pouches better.
But not stronger than Magpul.
@@linzmcgeorge pmags are great mags. However GI mags and Lancer mags have their advantages too. GI mags store better. They stack flatter and are much lighter than Magpul pmags. They also don't require feed lip covers to avoid spreading over time. Also they are less susceptible to heat. I've seen gen 3 AR10 pmags swell to the point where they cause serious malfunctions. In theory the same thing as possible with AR-15 magazines but I haven't seen it personally. That's the reason the game wardens in my area, who mostly carry AR10s to deal with dangerous game, use Lancer mags.
SureFeed mags by Okay Industries
I have the NHMTG mags. They are only some of the mag types that I own. They are also made by Okay Industries.
I’ve had a great experience with the palmetto state armory mags.
@@wsieber89-The PSA mags are D&H magazines, which used to be LaBelle. When D&H bought LaBelle, they bought all of the old LaBelle machinery. D&H magazines are still made on the old LaBelle machinery to this very day.
@@brianunderwood7437 oh I didn’t know that. Thanks Brian.
@@wsieber89-You’re welcome. Just a little history that I thought you may be interested in.
Grungi like metal. Grungi hit metal on rock, rock break. Grunki hit plast tick on rock, plast tick break!
LMAO! That's awesome.
Strong like bull, smart like tractor.
Just found out about them. They didn’t feed right at first but I disassembled it and ran a light layer of lubricant on the inside. Now it runs flawlessly. Will buy more when I find them locally.
One thing missing here, metal magazines dent. I have had issued steel HK mags, every so often we would find one of our mags be unreliable due to dented feed lips or dented sides disturbing the feed. Pmags will never dent, and either work or they dont. The most dangerous fault is an intermittent one.
Yeah magpuls won't dent...... they'll just fucking snap in half.
@@alexkyte4093 except they dont. plastic mags can take insane abuse compared to metal mags. what would give a steel mag a dent wouldnt do shit to a pmag.
@@alexkyte4093 that's false my man
@@ravener96 facts
@@ravener96 mags are supposed to be disposable in a sense, also you can gut damaged mags to make better mags. Dents are much easier to fix on a metal magazine than patching a shattered PMag.
This is min-maxing.
You're also comparing the advantages of two different materials (steel and aluminum) to the lowest common denominator polymer magazine.
Aluminum mags are soft, bendy, and shitty. Steel mags thick enough to be durable are quite heavy. A glass-filled polymer beats both overall. All mags have service lives. And still, I have glass fiber-reinforced phenolic resin mags that are older than you and still function like new.
Bakelite rocks!!
Pmags aren't phenolic.
@Connor Hoskins What is this material you speak of, "phenolic resin bozo"?
FACTS!!!
Are they using Zylon
You can run over pmags on chunky concrete all day, I’ve done it.
Love my pmags 👊🏼
That takes real determination.😁
I bought ten of these(aluminum) based on this video’s recommendation. I brought them along with some pmags, lancers, brownells metal mags, and some Daniel defenses to fighting rifle at tactical response last weekend. One of the duramags failed about 2 hours into the class. It could not be removed from the rifle without really bearing down on it and ripping it out. I didn’t use that one for the rest of the class. I tried cleaning it and reinserting once I got home but it had spread to the point that it could not be inserted into the gun without pounding it in. I think their seam that holds the 2 magazine halves together failed.
The duramags that survived were also the sketchiest performers out of the whole group. The Camden mud really fucked them up and I had several instances when loading where the follower would stick at certain points. I didn’t experience any failures with those but they were definitely on their way there. The other mags I mentioned earlier all performed flawlessly and they had been dropped in the same mud all day long. I’m very disappointed in the duramags.
BUT...! Did you try running over them with a car? For sure they can take that :)
Try the D&H mags. They've been great for me.
Thats because USGI mags are NOT the best. Pmags are. Thats why our military is switching from aluminum to polymer pmags. Except the army but they'll come around eventually. Aluminum is NOT the way to go.
@@rebd00mer93 pmags aren't the best either. They're an improvement, but still cheap. The military doesn't pick things because they're the best. The military picks things because they're the cheapest thing that will effectively perform the task at hand.
@@BlackHawk2029 key words you used yourself “effectively perform” bad parts don’t “effectively perform”…so the being cheap argument is irrelevant I didn’t realize Acog scopes with an rmr on top were the cheapest option..
Plus, I like to think my beer cans have come full circle back to me.
Aluminum mags were originally meant to be used only once and discarded. Metal mags also have a “memory” effect which leads to double feeds etc. It can happen slowly over time, it can happen quickly. The exception to this is the HK ultra reliability magazine, but is extremely expensive and weighs more than double a standard GI mag. I’ve found Lancer and M3 PMAG’s to be the most reliable magazines for the AR platform in my experience
Unfortunately there are so many out of spec lower receivers that Magpul made the Gen3's thick. So they don't work with my guns.
@@SkintSNIPER262 - Have you tried the Lancers?
@@MrChuckwagon55 I have a dozen coming in the mail. As well as a few different Gen 3 PMAG's. I've seen a lot of people say the thickness of PMAG's varies between models. Windowed/Non, Black/MCT.
Im sorry but the only mag that looks disposable are the plastic magpul mags.
I use stainless steel mags and I’ve never had a problem and I like them a lot
Very good info. I got a couple of Magpul mags,they’re good and light. I’m a Soldier, there’s a whole bunch of military surplus stores close to where I’m stationed. Bought about 70 aluminum mags for dirt cheap before all the craziness started in 2020.
Good science right here, love that I found your channel about 2 months ago! Thanks for the great content, & thought experiments.
Loved the video. I think the stress tests were the best, specially throwing the mag at a boulder. I use a mixture of mags but the VAST majority of mine are steel mags. I have no issue with Pmags or Hexmags or whoever you're using just don't get mad when plastic does what plastic does. I haven't broken one yet in 10 years..... but its a matter of when not if :)
I would have liked to see you test P Mags as well to see if they failed from the same treatment.
Probably would not have failed, that’s why he didn’t do that.
I was wondering the same thing when he said, "try that with a polymer magazine". I thought."yes, please try that with a polymer magazine!" But he did not.
Magpul has a video running over several brands of magazines with a truck. The PMAGs did great. The USGIs broke at the welds. It's still on their channel.
The reduction of bulk on metal mags is a genuine benefit. I like having grab and go mag bandoliers. It's super easy with the cloth USA bandos, once the bottom thread is pulled to stick two metal mags in each pouch. It's not so easy with poly mags. 8x30 = 240 rounds of ammo ready to go over the shoulder at a moments notice. And in today's ammo pricing that's basically a down payment for a car.
Great video. Awesome presentation.
I was already sold before you chucked that mag at the boulder and then shot a hole through it at the end, but those final demonstrations killed the polymer mag as a choice for me.
Thank you!
It’s very difficult to wear out an aluminum mag. Really the only things that you would have to change out would be the followers and the springs. There are still millions of USGI magazines that were made in the 1970’s and they still haven’t been worn out. They have been upgraded with new springs and Magpul followers, but the magazine body and floorplate still function perfectly.
@@thinkharder9332-The problem is that people will not take care of their magazines. They are just like anything else. They have to be taken care of.
I'm sold brother! Ordering a few ASAP. Solid argument.
Good stuff. Thank you. I have never seen such cool colors on mags before.
Love your content Man!!
I've used both metal and plastic and I'd use either today, though I've always had a preference for old GI mags over anything else because of how much smoother they are going in and out of the gun. That being said, the metal ones rattle around a bit, which I don't like. I've been issued very old and worn weapons, and rattling can be a sign of a problem. PMAGs have more texture, which makes them hard to get out of gear, makes seating them in, or having them fall free from the gun a bit less positive. That being said, it still works find, and it doesn't rattle.
My favorite magazine in terms of design is a Glock mag. Metal core with smooth plastic exterior. Well built and they just run.
odd that Glock hasn't made an AR-15 mag like that.
ive been using metal mags since I was 15. I'm 55 now and used so many mags in my 22 years in the Infantry(USMC/US Army) only had a few problems but it was mainly due to a bad spring
Yeah i ran a unloaded pmag over 5 times with my pickup and it still works, ran a steel mag over and it pancaked.
Big difference as to what was beneath it, dirt, concrete or gravel. Question is how were you so irresponsible?
Pmag is oddly heavier not that it Makes a fuck but it's surprising
@@FrancisoDonconabecause it is ancient traditions to get bored and see what John and Billy's Ford can run over. We used to park are trucks on our wallets. Because we all got that one friend... point is. Few beers and a afternoon of quiet relaxing will make a man do some random shit
While I don’t have an argument with you, I’ve also had PMAGS that have lasted 10 years being used monthly, dropped on concrete etc. that have never caused me malfunctions 🤷🏼♂️
I like both Duramag and PMAGs. There’s a reason the Marine Corps started issuing PMAGs, they work.
FACTS
Most law enforcement also
Aluminum is old fashion now. Pmags are where its at.
One of the most comprehensive durability tests that was logged was by Machine Gun Tours in Vegas.. Conclusively standard AR metal magazines were the most durable and reliable. When I did OSUT we had magazines in circulation that were older then many of the recruits. They just keep going...
I like aluminum mags too. My favorite polymer is by far the Lancers
Why is that? METAL FEED LIPS!
Not just metal, steel feed lips. I have a cuple of aluminum mags, and the resistance is so much higher than lancer mags
Always fascinating. I find that the defensive/competition firearms and other equipment are a game of numbers. “What has the minimal risk for failure or malfunction?” Are your tests a more abuse test? Yes. But that’s the point.
I think you’re on to something at the end of the video... using the magazine to vent some of the gas coming back. Brilliant!!
best AR mags I have are Brownells Aluminum with anti tilt followers . others work but love those mags ! I might have o try these mags !
I have a handful of usgi mags I got from my grandpa and they run great. The only thing I had to really do was change out the old followers out for anti-tilt ones.
You did a fine job on this video, my friend-thank you.
Best outro ever. No words needed.
C-Products mags are OUTSTANDING !!! I have MANY and I also upgraded older mags with their mag rebuild kits. NEVER FAIL !!!!!
This video served more as an advertisement than anything remotely informational. The bias is so clearly shown throughout the whole video
lol
Something you forgot to mention is that Metal mags are better heat sinks than plastic mags (aluminum is the best common mag material for a heat sink). So with a fixed mag build or a rig you plan on putting a lot of rounds through quickly an aluminum mag will suck more heat out of the lower. Plastic on the other hand is an insulator.
Old video but after you shot the mag and it still worked you had me. Yup metal mags for me now.
The issue is the feed lips. A dropped metal mag can bend the feed lips and it will become unreliable. A polimer magazine's lips will bounce back to their molded shape.
Assuming they don't crack
With aluminum mags you can bend them back. The only foreseeable reason to buy magpuls, is that you can use current issued us military ammunition with no issues.
@@TheRosemouth Even cracked they will continue to function. you'd have to have it break off in order for it to have real issues.
@@TheTyrial86 until you can’t and the stress of being bent back a few times will break the lips right off
Very good video, no fluff, just knowledge from raw experience.
Fun video. Love metal mags. Would you do a follow on vid with various metal mags? Aluminum vs stainless vs conventional steel? Elander and H&K make some of the thickest steel mags out there
So I’ve not had a problem with the polymer mag not dropping out I’m glad you shared that
The AR15 magazine where invited to be disposable technically. I have Surefeed mags and PMAGS. They're advantages to both polymer mags are definitely dent resistant but the feed lips flex when loaded for long periods of time.
it's amazing this myth is still around after all the independent testing done on loaded pmags.
No they don't lol
@@kingqp yes they do that's why magpul gave those covers for there gen 1 and 2 mags. Even magpul will tell you that.
@@mossydog34 yep, my m2 all have bent lips and my m3 with the covers are fine
@@kingqp yes they do I have about 6 with loose feed lips out of about 15. I like metal GI mags personally.
I have steel and aluminum mags. I’ve had more problems with the steel ones, and they’re much heavier, so even though they feel flimsier, I prefer aluminum. They can also be purchased cheap from Brownells for about $10/ea in bulk.
Living in the Upper Midwest, polymer mags freak me out a bit because I know what plastics do in sub-zero conditions: shatter like glass. Modern polymers are probably have a good amount of resistance to arctic temps, but better than aluminum?
Cheap, light, and reliable. Aluminum all the way for me.
Got me to thinking brother, thank you.
You can run over Pmags if there empty. However if you loaded then they will split open. Aluminium mags are the opposite. If their empty they will break. But if there loaded they won't. Not every magazine has a plastic follower. The HK steel magazines have a steel follower. I personally recommend a mixture of aluminium, polymer and steel magazines. That way you don't have to worry about which one will last longest.
Didn't know this stuff. Glad I have both duramag & pmags. Now I want to load them & drop them a few times.
my first mag were pmags. when they were new i could easily insert them easily with 30rds on close bolt. ifter 1 year of being loaded, i need to tap it really hard....now i only buy aluminum or stainless....but i admit, pmags feel better to grab than aluminums
I'm with ya bro... Ive got a box of old "range mags" from okay and colt I bought for basically nothing years ago and they are still running strong. I still havent swapped the old tiltable followers and have still yet to have any malfunctions
Super informative information I learned a lot. What optic are running on that?
Yeah, I said the same thing about Glock when they first came out, back in 1988 (34 years ago). They're collector pieces now. For a mere $2000 you can add one to your collection.
I have had polymer magazines work well, and I’ve had polymer mags fail. Metal mags may be easier to dent, but if you avoid stomping them or running over them, and they were made to spec, they will keep working. Just avoid cheapo mags.
Well shit. Bought a hand full of OKAY mags and forgot all about the polymer mags I have. Now I can put into words why I'm running the AL mags and storing the polymers for zombies or communist aliens or some other shit. Keep up the great work and thanks.
Communist aliens 😆 good one. However I do believe there is an off world entity trying to take power to destroy humans once and for all! Kidding, kidding... But seriously
So this election you'll need all of em lol
I've recently switched to running aluminum a lot more these days. Idk, I just love the metal mags for some reason and a lot of it has to do with everything thats pointed out in this video. Especially the dropping free. I do a lot of shooting in a dirt pit in the middle if the woods. So my rifles and mags especially get a little gritty from hitting the dirt and such. The magpuls do tend to hang up a lot more and I have to remove them myself where as my metal ones always drop no matter what.
Well. They are lighter than pmags
I like the aluminum magazines because they're inexpensive. You can get a lot of these and once you have a lot of these, get the plastic ones if you really want them. I have both plastic and metal. I like them all.
I agree, but if the lips break or another part, I salvage what I can... Spring, follower, floor plate, etc...
“That doesn’t mean that your gun shop didn’t rip you off”
I knew it!
I purchased a blue label Glock 21 chambered in 45 ACP from Kentucky Gun Co and I had it shipped to my local FFL and I was supposed to have three mags in there and when I picked up the firearm from the FFL dealer there was only one mag and the clerk Act like I did not know what I was talking about but it was clearly in my inventory receipt or invoice I should say and he said being that it’s a blue label it could come with tin mags or one mag. This one came with one and it was not on his invoice sheet that I had three magazines in it.
Great video! You’re 100% correct on all points.
Jerry Miculek said that he has had the malfunction you’re taking about one time in his entire history of shooting. Once. He uses all kinds of mags. One time.
It usually only happens with crappy out of spec magazine feedlips.
Idk if thats a good way to judge them though since he probably always uses brand new mags
ASC stainless, P-mags gen2-3, lancer l5 awm, and also a few Hex mags in there as well. My thoughts are the same regarding polymer mags, they work great but have much shorter lifespans.
I still have my beat-up crusty old aluminum mags that I was issued in the Army a decade ago. Even though they've been shot thousands of times before I even got them, they still work to this day! I've had plans to buy new Magpul mag's for a few years now, but every time I find the money for some, I realize they're not necessary because my old Army mag's still work just fine. Maybe I'll have a look at the DuraMag's instead.
You do realize that there are tons and tons of PMAGs in military use around the world right now?
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 Yes I'm aware, they were banned in my unit because they broke all the time.
@@chzzyg2698 That’s strange considering they’re standard issue now for a lot of other units.
@@chzzyg2698 Maybe an older Gen mag?
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 They were Gen 2s. I like Magpul, I just trust the track record of aluminum more. Duramag got my money.
If a pmag cracks, you know its broken. If an aluminum mag gets out of whack it will just cause problems.
The (SS) stainless steel Duramags are awesome! I hate the aluminum ones though.
The one downside to the metal mags are the amount of noise they make.
I’m
Gonna buy some. Why SS over aluminum? Thanks
I like Lancers, but you make valid points.
Same here
I love my Lancer mags too. I have a few dozen for my ARs and in 7.62 NATO for my Tavor 7. However the mags I typically stock up on in bulk are quality aluminum magazines. Good quality aluminum magazines tend to be around the same price as, or less than, Gen 3 Magpul pmags. They are also great for long term storage.
I have both lancer and GI mags. Is like banging 2 females at the same time with different make up. 😁😁😁
@@juanguerrero9128 you are my hero.
I’m not saying you’re wrong at all in the slightest but would you do a video comparing them to some polymer mags such as pmags and lancers doing the same test
Im saying hes wrong🤣
Are those tactical lined Crocs? Thank you for the great information.
I use aluminum magazines. Mostly military surplus Okay Industries that I bought decades ago. They developed their original 30 round M16 magazine in conjunction with the U.S. military, in 1973. They were always the best metal G.I. mags. Now they go by the name SureFeed Magazines. They still make the original style, with all the little improvements that came along over the last 49 years. But they also came out with a SureFeed E2 30-round mag, so I bought some of those too. They have textured side panels so you can get a better grip on them. There's a new, low-friction, patented feed lip design. There's a Foliage Green four-way, anti-tilt, self-lubricating, non-hygroscopic resin follower, and and high-performance Mil-Spec stainless steel spring. They’re hard-coat anodized and finished in your choice of Mil-Spec Dry Film Lube Grey, Desert Tan or Tactical Black. They're 100% made in the U.S.A, with all-American components. Each and every mag is hand-inspected then tested with proprietary electronic gages, which mars the finish, but it doesn’t mar performance. I'm not a salesman of any kind. I just think the people who invented the 30-round aluminum mag, and have been making them for half a century, really know what they're doing.
Update: Okay industries is now out of the mag business...
@@FinalLugiaGuardian Shortly after I posted that last year, Okay was trying to find a buyer for all of the machinery and rights to produce the magazines. They got out of the mag business back then, and concentrated their efforts on making medical equipment, and doing other precision manufacturing, if I recall correctly. I recently bought 3 OD green 10-round Amend 2 mags and a 3-pack of minus-5 limiters, so they're legal to hunt with. I also bought a pair of carbon smoke ETS 30-round mags with built-in couplers from Advanced Tactical. The sale price was too good to pass them up. I like the tool-less disassembly they have. Too bad I have to uncouple them to fit my ALICE gear mag pouches, and use both hands to force the pouch shut. Instead of barely forcing 2 mags into a pouch, I can drop 3 aluminum mags in and snap the pouch shut one-handed. If I have the ETS mags in the rifle for a fast reload, I don't have a pouch big enough to put them in when I need to reload again. I could just toss them on the ground and use the 12 aluminum mags that in my 4 G.I. mag pouches. I haven't shot any of the new mags in my rifles yet.
Usually pmags eventually wear out at the overtravel stop. Which makes the mag almost useless. Way before the feedlips or spring or anything else at least in my experience
I live in Arizona and I support the statement completely heat and plastic. Do not mix.
You definitely just changed my mind on aluminum magazines
Polymer feed lips will crack if they're dropped, but I've had metal mags get deformed from dropping as well. At least with the polymer mags you can see when they're broken, but good luck trying to pick out a slightly bent feed lip on an aluminum mag. If I had to leave them loaded for years I would definitely do with aluminum mags, but for training I would go for Pmags and keep them unloaded so the sides don't bulge. Or stick with steel mags for training mags. And for the record I have both types and use both types and I've had more malfunctions with my C Products mags than my Pmags.
I came here to say exactly this. Polymer has no memory (to a certain degree) and the fact that I can clearly identify a jacked up polymer mag is invaluable.
Additionally, PMAGs are the indisputable, irrefutable go to magazine for more hard pipe hitting dudes. That doesnt mean everything, but it certainly means something.
@Greg Walker Your anecdote vs the collective experience of thousands of highly trained professionals that points to Pmags malfunctioning less than any other magazine.
SOCOM (or crane, cant remember) has also done empirical studies regarding magazine reliability, and pmags won over all others.
@Greg Walker Based on anecdotal evidence vs the experience of people who know way more than you, plus the objective evidence provided by large scale testing...
I've heard nothing but bad things with metal mags from guys in the military field and nothing but good with pmags
Wait a few more years, you'll hear the same about PMAG. The military doesn't treat magazines as expendable items and soldiers treat stuff roughly. This results in old, beat up mags with worn springs and ancient followers staying in circulation long after they they should be retired. These mags get issued and soldiers complain they don't work. When I deployed to Iraq in 2003, some of the mags I was issued had black followers, meaning they were at least 20 years old.
Read here for more. This guy is on point.
www.breachbangclear.com/perpetuating-bullshit-magazine-malfunctions-self-leveling-followers-and-pigeon-religion/#:~:text=Issued%20mags%20with%20black%20followers,the%20way%20they%20are%20treated.
@@jimvac77 I didn't even need to check the bottom of the article but I did anyway, and I was correct. He shows how he outright shot a malfunctioning magazine just so that it couldn't be reintroduced into his rotation by mistake.
I think there will be less stories about Pmags because they'll crack and split and be taken out of inventory, while aluminum mags meant for disposal kept getting issued.
All I can say is that my polymer mags that have been loaded for a couple of years have expanded and fail to drop when the mag release is pressed, with the exception of Lancer. However, all of my steel mags are still good.
Libertarian 4 Life lolz
@Libertarian 4 Life Unless the military received it and inspected it to confirm it adheres to milspec, it's not milspec. Or at least, it's "Schrödinger's Milspec".
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD Yeah I've seen lowers that are too tight to fit a mil-spec magwell gauge. An yes those do exist. Check out School of the American Rifle. I live pretty close to him and have had buddies who've taken his classes. Long story short mil-spec is a range and many parts that are listed as mil-spec don't fall within it. Also stacking tolerances are a thing. Even if everything is technically mil-spec depending on how the tolerances stack it could still cause problems.
@Nra.Morris G well this old Marine disagrees with you, been using stainless steel mags since the 1980's and have never had any fail ever, whereas someone gave me some pmags a few years ago brand new in the plastic wraps , after a weekend of rough shoot n scoot training,all the pmags were damaged but none of the metal mags were besides a scratch or two but nothing that made the metal mags inoperable, whereas the pmags had to be torn down, cleaned and some of the components replaced, after that I decided no poly mags for me..
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD um. That is totally wrong, I manufacturer items for the military to military specification, "as promulgated by the US military" and that makes it milspec. So don't know what you are talking about. If it's specified by the military to military drawings, what do you call it?
Good job sir, keep. Them rolling
Just bought 3 Duramag Stainless Steel, and 3 Lancer AWM. Love them both.
I've seen guys in Iraq that have gotten their metal magazines dented causing them to stick. But if it dented the aluminum one it would probably have cracked a pmag
Here is what I’m curious about, Steel magazines or aluminum? I have a PTR91 and I have 2 of each. The Aluminum are super light because they were originally intended for Paratroopers, but the Steel ones I’ve been told are more durable. The steel mags are however significantly heavier of course. All of them are from the 1960’s my newest magazine is a paratrooper magazine from 1966 in really good condition considering it’s age.
They look like great mags. And I know Kurt only recommends the best. Was on my way to buy a few and then found out one of their VP's was a BLM supporter. I'm out! Okay Industries it is.
I use the steel duramags and I’ve never had a problem, they are awesome mags
You should add: metal mags can bend and crack feed lips too. And near impossible to bend back to correct shape. And a pmag, depending on how bad it is cracked will still hold and feed. Both will fail the same ways. Point really should be, be kind to your mags. And keep a reserve of new.
I have only owned 3 plastic AR mags (Gen 2 PMAGS) and none could hold rounds and caused bolt override. This video could not be more true. Good job sir.
Have not had this problem with gen 3 40 round mags under hard use
@@heavilyarmedhippie75 Bolt override is an extremely rare malfunction. I shoot at the bare minimum once a month and have taken many 4 day rifle classes and haven't seen one in person. Maybe polymer mags cause bolt override easier but even so it is very are. As for his mags not holding round...I call bull. I love my metal mags but this is just not real life. I have ran gi mags, all sorts of aluminum mags, steel mags, pmags gen2-3, and lancers and they have all been great. Only have had issues with some gi mags having some bulging issues but I beat those to hell for years and I guess they finally bit the dust.
@@Masta_E I never claimed anything other than 40 round pmags being able to perform to the same or better standard than steel or aluminum mags. In my mind, if you're having those kind of malfunctions or breaking mags under any conditions, it's more likely than not user induced
@@heavilyarmedhippie75 sorry if my comment wasn't very clear, I was agreeing with you and saying the comment we both responded to seems like fake news lol.
I agree
@@Masta_E oh ok my b
New way to look on metal mags. Regards from sweden :)
Good video you make valid points
I also noticed the feed lips on pmags start to flex and misfeed after a while, at least on my ak mags, the ar ones have the plastic cover to delay it at least
Good video thanks! Very logical.
I live in maryland so I get any mags I can when I'm out of state. I cant be picky. We can own them we just cant have them shipped here. Its ridiculous.
Get out and vote the tyrants out of office.👍🏻🇺🇸
@@ipreferfreedom7752 I always do. Unfortunately being this close to DC we have a horde of liberals living here.
It’s tough in MD , I’m in NC now and buying all the mags I can before I head home .
@@ipreferfreedom7752 MD has a very active community . The bad thing for us is the population base is in the cities and Montgomery county, where everyone is communist . The rest of the state, especially the western counties and eastern shore are really conservative .
Are you actually allowed to bring them in? Or do you have to act like you bought them before the ban?
My favorite mags are okay E2s. They are fantastic
I like my pmags but my aluminum gi mags are actually lighter. If youre concerned about damaging them buy those rubber ranger plates from magpul it adds weight and a cushion to the bottom of the mag so it will land more softly on the bottom plate helping to prevent them from denting and stuff.
Like i said tho for me i just prefer the pmags but metal mags have a place and i have a bunch of em
Metal mags are indestructible, proceeds to throw mag and break it. Great point dude!
Basically All I own are OKay and Cproducts steel and aluminum mags. I have a few polymer mags from catching really good deals occasionally but I got metal staked deep!!!!!! I couldn’t agree more with this video.
I really like c products mags. That said, i really like my lancers and Pmags too. Also no matter how broken in they get, the c products mags will never feed as smoothly as the others.
The bullet hole at the end has officially won me over
I have a LR308 that was double feeding like crazy. Found the issue was all 3 of the PMag 20 round had sticking followers. Followers would stick and cause two to go up. I found with PMag in 308 need to be loaded to the max for at least 2 week. That stretches the plastic and forms the spring. Smoothes them out. But I agree they are fragile. Thinking of trying fine metal 308 mags.
I have a bunch of pmags and a bunch of D&H mags that I bought from PSA. I get a lot of crap from people, but I leave all the metal mags loaded, and the pmags empty in storage. The reason I do that is because over time, those feed polymer feed lips and mag body walls will deform under pressure, where the metal mags tend not to. The pmags are plenty reliable, but they just have a shorter life under hard abuse than the metal mags do. There's not really anything wrong with that, so long as you acknowledge it and are prepared to deal with it.
That's what the dust cover that comes with it is for, to take the lode off of the feed lips when stored loaded
@@goldcoin2444 Not all PMAGs come factory with dust covers. Gotta spend that extra $1-3 for the dust cover model.
The reason I went a polymer mag over a metal mag was because I wanted a 10 round mag that has the size of a 30 round more for the look but due to import restrictions the metal mags are only the stubby 10 round ones or polymer 10/30 Pmags.
I mean technically speaking since aluminum doesn't have an endurance limit they will inevitably fail by fatigue. It may take several hundred years of years of use but hey, technicalities are technicalities.
Too bad they fail much sooner.
I bought some pro mags years ago, and found out why they're so cheap. But then I took them and used like 1000 grit sandpaper and sanded the top that inserts into the well. I didn't force to remove too much, just to smooth them up better. After sanding, it was obvious by the way the polymer looked, so I rubbed lithium grease back into the polymer and they looked new again. I also greased the spring and follower, now they work just as good as pmags.
But I agree, metal are my favorite also.
Wow I was like subscriber 3000 like 8 years ago congratulations make more videos like this they're very interesting informative