Metawatch: Warhammer 40,000 - The 23rd of November 2023

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  • @Akimbo411
    @Akimbo411 Рік тому +13

    It’s hard to pretend that the game is balanced at all when Aeldari have the craziest and expansive army rules in the game and AdMech are just “Do some mortal wounds to units in the deployment zone I guess. At least give them the option of doing Rad Bombardments into No Man’s land instead. That and they just straight up forgot that Grey Knights can have heavy melee weapons

  • @goofyblocks
    @goofyblocks Рік тому +11

    Blood angels need something in their army rule that helps them get into melee, and they need their units good enough that people are actually playing bloodangels and not just using the librarian dread in a generic space marine list.

  • @elpokitolama
    @elpokitolama Рік тому +11

    "There's people who thought *yep, I'm definitely gonna take AdMech and see how far I can get*" 10:20
    Stu has used AdMech as an example of a faction that's... Challenging to get any results with (to stay polite) in every 10th ed metawatch so far and now we're getting a detachment whose single rule is to give the army-wide (in name only) rule to one model of the faction
    Talk about sending mixed signals

    • @reginlief1
      @reginlief1 Рік тому +1

      I get that a Cybernetica Cohort WOULD make a cool detachment, like the Necrons and their destroyer themed detachment.
      …but AdMech don’t have enough cybernetica units to do it. They have 1. 1 unit.
      They should’ve saved it for next edition (assuming they give them more robots next edition).

    • @stuartlittledrowning4965
      @stuartlittledrowning4965 Рік тому +1

      ​@@reginlief1we wont. The guy who was in charge of that died. And no one else plays admech in the design studio. Im pretty sure admech are done getting good models or interesting rules for at least a few more additions.

  • @_gherf
    @_gherf 11 місяців тому +1

    The Metawatch Playlist is sorted ‘oldest to newest’. Probably be better to set it to ‘newest to oldest’.

  • @rike889
    @rike889 Рік тому +12

    Internal balance is key! Thank you for addressing it.

  • @Kierano777
    @Kierano777 Рік тому +20

    BA are struggle even with the new marine dex, they could do with a review plus FAQ with their unit/leader interactions please.

    • @rike889
      @rike889 Рік тому

      I know there are a few leaders that logically should lead more units than they can, but out of curiosity, what would you change otherwise to make them stronger? I don't think letting certain hqs lead more units would change too much/enough.

    • @bryan8238
      @bryan8238 Рік тому

      I think changing death company requiring a chaplain for OC would help a lot. Having to pay a 75pt tax for OC hurts.

    • @USAFWolf
      @USAFWolf Рік тому +1

      All the Non-Codex chapters need a bit of an update.

    • @tonynaranjo2982
      @tonynaranjo2982 Рік тому

      ​​@@rike889SanPriest+SanGuard or any jump squad except DC, Meph+Bladeguard, Tycho+Devastators or Comp Heroes or Sternguard, Corbulo+AssIntercesors or BG or Comp Heroes. Drop Dante and Sanguinor points. Seth same as Corbulo. Drop points for SangGuard and SangPriest.

  • @madaohasegawa7564
    @madaohasegawa7564 Рік тому +13

    Buff drukhari

  • @Romancenturion-no3cm
    @Romancenturion-no3cm Рік тому +21

    I dont understand the reluctance to hit eldar with an adequate nerf, that being said chaos are too strong, in particular the lord and chosen combination probably needs a bit of an increase, and its fair to say the nurgle strat on vehicles is slightly too good.

    • @tonynaranjo2982
      @tonynaranjo2982 Рік тому

      (Redacted) I realize I went too far on my comment assumptions.

    • @lukepoplawski3230
      @lukepoplawski3230 Рік тому +1

      Eldar got a soft bat and then they murdered IK.

  • @LordMainer
    @LordMainer Рік тому +11

    Please fix Drukhari 😢

  • @ajtame
    @ajtame Рік тому +6

    Please Fix Drukhari & Blood angels!

  • @MsgRevan
    @MsgRevan Рік тому +1

    I always think it is just so awesome that Lion L Johnson himself comes to break down the meta for us.
    Truly a blessing.

  • @tonynaranjo2982
    @tonynaranjo2982 Рік тому +6

    BA at 47% ... use their detachment to show the real value and not inflated with Ironstorm DC + Vehicles

  • @ajtame
    @ajtame Рік тому +10

    Please don't nerf marines into the ground because John did well with them :( the army in general in the hands of us mere mortals is actually pretty mid.

    • @dudeduderson8046
      @dudeduderson8046 Рік тому

      How else will Eldar stay on top?

    • @tonynaranjo2982
      @tonynaranjo2982 Рік тому

      They applied the same logic with Jack Hapster and BA SangGuard, not the first time...

    • @Homer92
      @Homer92 Рік тому

      You could nerf the apoth biologist and fire discipline a few points

  • @rvpuk
    @rvpuk Рік тому +1

    As a new player joining in 10th edition who chose custodes with a friend who chose to play CSM I've not won a single game, we both suck obviously, but my army just can't seem to compete with the amount of high toughess, high strength armoured units he can put on the board. My units are whittled down before they can reach melee and then even if they knock out a few they tend to fail to recover. This happens even when I deploy as tactically as I can and make good use of cover. I don't feel particularly 'elite', not that I care too much about that, I'm just starting to feel sad about getting tabled every game by turn 3/4, sometimes sooner. I don't even think he's enjoying it anymore.

  • @C.D.2288
    @C.D.2288 Рік тому +5

    Please, Grey Knights need their hammers back and better stats for Nemesis Dreadknights.

    • @sebastianyoung
      @sebastianyoung Рік тому

      How about instead of changing the dreadknight, give the dreadnought teleport assault, you get all the heavy weapons on them, and you can actually destroy vehicles, you expect me to believe that a dreadknight can be teleported and not a dreadnought, but hammers are a definite yes, how can the grey knights be the hammer without having hammer rules

  • @USAFWolf
    @USAFWolf Рік тому +5

    When you say Space Wolves (or any of the other Non-Codex compliant chapters) are at 49% win rate, you mean with whatever detachment they want, correct? Not with their specific detachment? I'd really like to see them broken out that way, because I think it would become very apparent that the Non-Codex detachments are significantly worse than the ones in the Codex. Right now we can't tell and I think it's masking how bad those detachments are, especially in the Space Wolves case.

    • @se7enspac3s
      @se7enspac3s Рік тому

      Righteous Crusaders is pretty good. Vehicle one is probably better tho.

  • @SacredGumby
    @SacredGumby Рік тому +4

    8:45 Eldar night spinnners anyone?

  • @ryanmarquez9404
    @ryanmarquez9404 Рік тому +2

    Bring back knights bondsman abilities and original oath of moment!!!

  • @earnestwanderer2471
    @earnestwanderer2471 Рік тому +5

    Yep guys, fine job with the first two codexes. Not too bad, not too good. Goldilocks approves!

  • @Stroivan
    @Stroivan Рік тому +15

    buff Wyches, please 😢

  • @jackowsky86
    @jackowsky86 Рік тому +77

    Make Custodes great again 🙏

    • @ysbrann3059
      @ysbrann3059 Рік тому +6

      yessss

    • @cooljoe500
      @cooljoe500 Рік тому +10

      no, they are boring and should be scrapped from the game.

    • @lewisbenzie845
      @lewisbenzie845 Рік тому +5

      Golden muscle bois were never good :D

    • @rike889
      @rike889 Рік тому +2

      It would be very cool for them to be special in that they could handle shrugging a dev wound.

    • @Obscure_1992
      @Obscure_1992 Рік тому +5

      ​@@lewisbenzie845they can literally decimate loads of traitor legion space marines and daemons.. wdym?

  • @BloodBuffalo
    @BloodBuffalo Рік тому +2

    Sanguinary guard are gathering dust. No invulnerable save is making them useless. Overall good job on balance. But some units still need TLC.

  • @DiegoJimenezAguilar-mx4tx
    @DiegoJimenezAguilar-mx4tx Рік тому +1

    Why would you stream the worlds in Twich and not on warhammer +

  • @RadioEnnui
    @RadioEnnui Рік тому +11

    Eldar are still miserable to play against, and the game is still too lethal
    Otherwise the game is much better than launch though

  • @Darkaliafr
    @Darkaliafr Рік тому +4

    Those percent really needs to be taken only on a subset of experienced players. Your own world championship showed you a breakdown of faction that needed to be nerfed or buffed. You should use that instead of this chart :).

    • @Xynth25
      @Xynth25 Рік тому

      How new players and mid-level players pilot armies matters to balance, too. They should be able to break out individual segments of data but balancing around just the top end is a mistake.

  • @Gansimus
    @Gansimus Рік тому +1

    Please give back Imperial Knights their fun Bondsman ability. This nerfed 9th edition version really sucks.

  • @niallcampbell
    @niallcampbell Рік тому

    Here to see if SkaredCast has managed to pump Drukhari up by himself yet haha

  • @Spexxatron
    @Spexxatron Рік тому +3

    I really appreciate these talks!

  • @b2g7h8
    @b2g7h8 Рік тому +3

    Please don't be afraid to buff Drukhari, just because it would indirectly buff the Aeldari Yvraine list.
    Drukhari have no synergy what so ever. And the power from pain is a big joke. Come on GW, get your act together.

    • @muratferguson4534
      @muratferguson4534 Рік тому

      They need a buff to their close combat rules because at the Moment they suck. The old chart was Amazing. Lets say
      Round1: advance + charge
      Round2: +1 to hit
      Round3: one more Token for any killed enemy
      Round4: +1 to their Morale and -1 to the enemy morale
      This rule does not exist for ynnari detachment

  • @earnestwanderer2471
    @earnestwanderer2471 Рік тому +9

    You guys have done yeoman work in getting the 40k balance back where it needs to be. Well done.

  • @owenh3459
    @owenh3459 Рік тому

    the change to big knights has been a debacle from start to finish. Anything towering getting punished by Eldar and fate dice: Chaos Knights only play with 3 models out of 12 , and that's only because you have to take a stalker for the character key word

  • @juanmartin3176
    @juanmartin3176 Рік тому +3

    BLOOD ANGELS! We have horrid win percentages on our detachments and our characters and most units are overcosted (besides they have not been afqed and can't join most units...these have been months)

    • @Gman1ist
      @Gman1ist Рік тому

      Also with blood angels you have to throw them right at the enemy, so if overcosted they really hurt themselves

  • @TyLoudon
    @TyLoudon Рік тому +5

    Eldar really still need a other nerf. In my opinion, they are still too strong. Also, Blood Angels (if you take their bespoke detachment) are downright near unplayable, not only do they need an FAQ to have a bunch of their characters fixed, melee is terrible in the game due to the change to overwatch. For a game that wanted more "balance" someone obviously hates codex divergent chapters and loves Eldar. Eldar units can do too many things, especially Dire Avengers being able to use the Second overwatch in a turn. That makes trying to counter position aganat them impossible. Especially if they have Asurmen. I am not asking you to decapitate the faction, but if you nerf a faction 3 times, and it is still Meta Dominating, maybe you need to keep nerfing it.

    • @jparadis27
      @jparadis27 Рік тому

      If you think BA is unplayable, try Space Wolves :P But I agree, non-compliant chapters detachement are sad

    • @clayandros2038
      @clayandros2038 Рік тому

      ​@@jparadis27 space wolves are sitting in a really good spot right now I sont know what you're talking about

  • @owlpope44
    @owlpope44 Рік тому +5

    You killed the custodes when you made the Dev Wounds be something else than mortals, making their detachment irrelevant in 10th with the meta skewed towards Dev Wounds. For the love of the Emperor, either roll it back or add something about Dev Wounds to Aegis.

    • @cooljoe500
      @cooljoe500 Рік тому

      No, play a more interesting army instead.

  • @Magarathea
    @Magarathea Рік тому

    I feel like a terminator hq, should be able to join a proteus kill team in deathwatch, otherwise I’d rather not use kill teams if the base unit is stronger and more flexible

  • @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    Perhaps if Sisters got Celestians with guns back then they could reach that 50%...

  • @GaryP336
    @GaryP336 Рік тому +7

    Eldar still need a look at. What you sure realize is that eldar are very popular to thier win rate is somewhat cannabilized because a good chunk of eldar vs eldar games. For almost everyone else win or lose, playing eldar is a miserable experience.

    • @ThatGuyDoingStuffz
      @ThatGuyDoingStuffz Рік тому +1

      I disagree. I have given my Aeldari to many in my local group to play. They lose the games, yet I win with their loser armies on the army swap day. That is odd, is it the player or the army?

    • @Hans_Unique_Handle
      @Hans_Unique_Handle Рік тому +2

      @@ThatGuyDoingStuffz Aeldari are in a place that skill is more important than just the choice of the army. However it is still an unfun army to play against. Only found this out when I played against it with my own Aeldari army. You don't realize how demoralizing it is until you face it yourself and notice that you are more reliant on your opponent making errors than you playing well, as the amount of uncountarable rules are excessive.

    • @muratferguson4534
      @muratferguson4534 Рік тому

      ​@@ThatGuyDoingStuffzdepends on the list. Most units are bad but a few are absolutely OP. Especially all which have d6 weapons and davisting wounds which is a too strong Mechanic in this edition

  • @Corusame
    @Corusame Рік тому +1

    I keep hearing lots of people saying mechanically AoS is a more fun game to play compared to W40K, I'm not a fan of the AoS aesthetic and prefer the W40K universe so won't be changing. Whats the main reason people are saying this?

  • @MarcsMinis
    @MarcsMinis Рік тому +2

    Make custodes great again

  • @thecasualwargamer5195
    @thecasualwargamer5195 Рік тому

    Aeldari still need a major smack with the nerf stick. Fate dice mean they are effectively playing a different game to the rest of us. It needs a solid fix.
    Also, Deathwatch need to be addressed. They should have had a update by now.

  • @Hughzaa9
    @Hughzaa9 Рік тому

    I’m desperately hoping for Custodes to get our FNP rule to help against Devastating wounds.
    It really felt like an oversight that Devastating wounds now destroys us so easily, and it’s especially brutal since Aeldari have so many of them and they are the best army in the game already, so the matchup is super painful.

  • @Maakeff
    @Maakeff Рік тому

    May I humbly suggest that your rules team, @officialwarhammer, maybe _finally_ gets around to fixing all the Leader units they broke in Index Blood Angels when they released the new Codex Space Marines and removed & added units without changing the existing Leaders that reference now-extinct units? 😁

  • @awefullgamertj6445
    @awefullgamertj6445 Рік тому +2

    I think 10th has been out 5 months…

  • @urilacambrafrias
    @urilacambrafrias Рік тому

    And once again, the Grey Knights aren't even mentioned...

  • @godless89
    @godless89 Рік тому

    Insisus- don’t like this medical grunt, for me right now I don’t need a healer, only moves around slowly and has to be close range, maybe it will change later.

  • @klavakkhazga3996
    @klavakkhazga3996 Рік тому

    Eldar needs a lot of internal balancing too,! Transports and melee are worthless when compared to how good and reliable high damage shooting is. Some very cool, updated models are simply useless like shining spears.

  • @broncofun5636
    @broncofun5636 Рік тому +7

    In a game that relies on randomness, giving one faction the ability to negate randomness is really bad design.

  • @zousssnotzeus5341
    @zousssnotzeus5341 Рік тому +1

    Buff the heldrake

  • @ibl3comanticlights
    @ibl3comanticlights Рік тому

    Great interview

  • @basicsergal9712
    @basicsergal9712 Рік тому

    Ork walkers are garbage right now, I ran a 2k game yesterday, and it only lasted 2 hours.
    I ran 3 mek boyz
    3 deff dreads
    Gorkanaut
    Morkanaut
    Mek gun (bubblechukka)
    And a stompa
    The gorkanaut got killed by the shooting of 2 redempter dreadnoughts with oath of moment. The Morkanaut got killed by 2 guns from a repulser being a lascannon and a macro plasma incerater first turn.
    2nd turn, nothing much happened except for the stompa taking 15 wounds from one predator, and my mek warlord got tabled.
    And third round, all my deff dreads got destroyed by either plasma pistols for one and a redempter dread with a gatling cannon in shooting. Then, my stompa died to the repulser. and he proceeded to tank shock my mek boy.
    So, yeah, I got tabled 3rd round because I ran an ork walker list, and I only did 450 points of damage.

  • @DonaldPlummer
    @DonaldPlummer Рік тому

    Please give Aeldari the Custodes treatment, nerf them hard, because anything less will be a light slap on the wrist and they'll continue to be at a 60% WR. They do everything better than everyone else and are singularily unfun to play against. Nightspinners, Phantasm, Support Weapons and The Yncarne need to be yeeted into the sun.
    On the other end of the spectrum, Imperial Knights need their Bondsmen ability back, and Custodes need some serious help.
    I really hope the new game design hires will help, the game needs some work, and this communication is sorely lacking.

  • @Entropictyranny
    @Entropictyranny Рік тому

    These numbers don’t indicate much. GW doesn’t exclude mirror match. Eldar are significantly better than the 57% rate would indicate.

    • @bolaber
      @bolaber Рік тому

      Wouldn’t excluding mirror matches increase faction win % for factions above 50%?

    • @Entropictyranny
      @Entropictyranny 10 місяців тому

      @@bolaber No. Including mirror match pulls the number towards 50%. So if above 50%, it brings the number down.

  • @19Archangel89
    @19Archangel89 Рік тому

    You guys gotta fix Drukhari

  • @ericpaz4171
    @ericpaz4171 Рік тому

    Give Aquilon Terminator power talons twin Linked!!!!!!!!!!

  • @thomasvilhelmsen7387
    @thomasvilhelmsen7387 Рік тому

    Balance dataslate should adress blast and overwatch rules!! They need fixing to make the game enjoyable for both sides!!

    • @Hans_Unique_Handle
      @Hans_Unique_Handle Рік тому +1

      Probably a good change could be to allow overwatch in the movement phase only at the end of the movement of a unit.

  • @rudolfbester1
    @rudolfbester1 Рік тому

    Bring back conscripts!!!! I beg you!

  • @ThijsSchrijnemakers
    @ThijsSchrijnemakers Рік тому

    thanks

  • @NoogyLoogy
    @NoogyLoogy Рік тому +1

    So bleak seeing everything regarding these systems cater to competitive play

  • @leandromobile6927
    @leandromobile6927 Рік тому

    Yay its nick

  • @neckris512
    @neckris512 Рік тому +2

    gw what happened the inquisition killteam models? anyway we need more plastic!

  • @frshtlldthfreshtilldeath9670
    @frshtlldthfreshtilldeath9670 Рік тому +3

    Make Incubi great again .

  • @ste-zm6dy
    @ste-zm6dy Рік тому

    Day 35 of asking for primaris Tyberos

  • @simoncross40K
    @simoncross40K Рік тому

    Alderi need a NERF still, give custodes and drukari something!

  • @flitzpieperich
    @flitzpieperich Рік тому

    Winrates changed probably, but can we talk about Votann, loosing all theirs uniqueness, having completely irrelevant standard units, a grudge system which nobody needs, useless grudge tokens, and in the end, if grudge full playout u are still where u would be without it before the nerf occurred? That army is roasted. really sad.

  • @BloodBuffalo
    @BloodBuffalo Рік тому

    Huge strides in balance since launch. Well done.

  • @leonardocanhoto3759
    @leonardocanhoto3759 Рік тому +3

    Can you buff csm again please 😂

  • @Method9
    @Method9 Рік тому

    Fix Tyranids. Battleshock is a random joke and dying efficiently isn't fun. Most of our units getting nerfed hard between editions isn't fun. Especially anti tank. Almost all of our monsters at str 9 isn't fun. Our hive tyrants have become tryrants. Space Marines are getting army codexes, we want our hive fleets back. Where did our options for + charge or +str on charge go? Almost all of our fast moving synapse options have been removed too. 9th codex was 10/10. This is barely a 4.

  • @unknown3113
    @unknown3113 Рік тому

    I miss 3rd edition

  • @JoeyFangaz
    @JoeyFangaz Рік тому

    If tau had access to Anti outside of Tigershark would be nice…Hammerhead having anti vehicle 4+ & dev would be perfect.