@@TalesFromTheNexus they're bandmates and adam uploaded his video literally on the same day, using footage from this video; there's no way shawn could have ripped adam off ya dingus
You get it...this video is just a way more advanced/complicated breakdown of the same concepts from Adam's video. Same principles but this dude can do it so fast that even his analysis is like too much all at once for untrained listeners...he goes through years of learning in a short video. Like I'm trained/skilled and still have a hard time aurally following what I'm seeing on the screen. So don't beat yourself up 😊
i'm so insanely impressed by all of this, how you managed to perfectly transcribe everything and then play it flawlessly is beyond me. thank you for taking the time to do this, it really means the world. knowing someone else appreciates the intricacies of the tune makes it all worth it :) i'm extremely interested in seeing the whole process so i'll definitely be joining the patreon!! and if you ever wanna work on something together in the future just let me know!!
@@ShawnCrowder I scouted the comments hoping to see if you've seen this video, hats off to both you! I'd pin his comment, I doubt i'm the only one hoping to see his response!
Typical of Phonon - the tempo of 122.5 bpm is actually a septuplet on the standard dubstep tempo of 140bpm - he fits 7 beats in the same time he would usually fit 8 for a “standard” dubstep tune, so the bar line will still line up if mixed with other dubstep tunes by a DJ, that or it is a troll - absolute madness
@@PieceOfDuke you're talking about 'bro'step, the kind of stuff dubstep evolved into after skrillex and the like. dubstep has existed since the 90s along with other genres like drum n bass or idm (or you could even go so far as to say it began in the 70s/80s with Kraftwerk or Esplendor Geometrico)
@@aloysiuskurnia7643 yes, frequently, if you live in a country where traditional genres are mostly played by families and groups of non-formally trained musicians
Brazilian composer Arthur Kampela has an interesting concept about nested tuplets called MICRO-METRIC MODULATION, i think you would dig it Basically, let's say we have a group of eight note quintuplets (5:4), but the last two notes we play as three eight notes (3:2). Now, we have another group of tuplets, but we have eight note sextuplets (6:4), but the first 4 notes of those sextuplets, we play as 5 notes (5:4) Since the fractions mutilpy to the same value (5/4 x 3/2 = 6/4 x 5/4), the last three notes of the first group and the first 5 notes of the second group last the same time, so we can move between the two groups with ease, kind of a metric modulation but in the nested tuplet level in short: 4 5 first group (triplet inside a quintuplet) - 1 2 3 (| | |) 1 2 3 4 second group (quintuplet inside a sextuplet) - (I I I I I) 5 6 the notes in parenthesis have the same duration, so we could even pass a new tuplet between these two groups of equal duration notes
I love this kind of thing. It grooves super hard, and to me is a great example of using rhythm for tension/release. I'm fairly certain Richard Vreeland (AKA Disasterpeace) uses this in a number of his tracks, but I can't recall specifics off the top of my head. More than likely I'm thinking of something from his album "Level."
Adam briefly explains the concept and and tries to demonstrate it in Ableton Live while Shawn really goes into detail and like his other videos explains it from a perspective of a 'rhythm geek' Thanks, Shawn Really enjoyed the video!
There is a edm-y song called Midnight Sun (ft Ekcle) made by Vorso that also uses weird polyrhytms but is easier to perform. I'd loooove to see it performed by Sungazer. Hope you'll notice it
I've watched the final performance like a hundred times, it's incredible! 13:29 It's so fascinating to see music explained like this, it totally changes your experience of it.
That’s pretty much proof that he knows exactly what he’s doing cause he had to learn the relationships between the underlying pulse and all the insane rhythms.
As a nonmusician who nonetheless is compelled to sing along with difficult Zappa pieces, it's interesting finding out where I was fudging on the Black Page. I mean, aside from the parts where I just stop and try and come back in at the right time.
Just listening to this makes me exhausted. How many times during this did you think to yourself "is this really worth the meme?" Btw, here's something fun - Shawn currently had 44.1k subs. "Dude you should totally switch over to 48k, it makes the music so much clearer"
The metaphor at 10:00 is really great. I always have trouble explaining to friends why math music is even worth it, other than that it can exist, so this helps.
Your knowledge and ability to play music is miles ahead of mine so I can't completely grasp the concepts yet, however I find it truly amazing and fascinating.
I so appreciate what you and Adam do! I’ve learned so much watching your videos! And that says a lot! My last foray into musical study was in high school in the 1980’s! You’ve both really encouraged me to start studying again! Thanks!!
i gotta say for composing that while nested tuplets are fun to look at, getting the effect is more fun using nested tempo modulation (the instrument that's playing 'hears' a metronome of a changing tempo while the rest of them hear a steady one). this can be with a free running LFO, or by freezing audio written with actual tempo modulation, easiest accomplished in a tracker. see also continuous Risset rhythms, the tempo version of a sheppard tone.
Wow wow wow, Adam's video was my first exposure to nested tuplets, and then this video blew it wide open. I'm astounded that anyone can accurately play these. Great explanation, and amazing work! I learned a lot from the theory, and then was dumbstruck by the performance
I dont play as much as I used to but I still love learning music theory. Thank you so much for this information. People spend their entire lives never learning about this stuff and here you are breaking it down in such a succinct and digestible way. Thanks again!
That is way out there amongst the craziest things I've seen i thought i was exploring riddims but this work Shawn does is at a new level, Frank Zappa was so far ahead all that time ago
no he wasn't and he knew it as he admitted in many interviews he was hacky - .. he was literally aping the people he was obsessed with from a century before him. Difference was he just used electrified amplified digitized equipment and pop culture charting .
Ever since I've read Steve Vai's pieces on nested tuplets some ~18 years ago and really got into Zappa, I've wanted to dive deeper and learn to actually play them, not just understand the concept. With your video - I think I finally have no excuse not to learn it anymore :D Thanks, man - awesome stuff (and props to Adam as well)! Early Caligula's Horse ("Moments from Ephemeral City") and Aviations ("A Declaration of Sound", "The Light Years") are two examples of prog-metal bands where you can clearly hear the Zappa influence with the nested tuplets. Love it :)
Thank you for posting this, Shawn! I am a beginner at drums and the practice tips that you share have been very inspiring. Am I the only one who noticed the car horn at the very end of the video?
Quick note, most of the notes that you excluded on the downbeats are actually there, they’re just hard to hear because of sidechaining. The higher layer gets quiet when the kick happens, but it’s still technically there.
I would love to see you break down The Dance of Eternity, there are so many performances on UA-cam, but nothing that really elucidates how to approach learning or playing such a piece.
I'm getting further all the time. Have watched 30 minutes of this video and reached the 3rd minute without having to go back to the beginning because I got lost!
so is the groovy section with nested tuplets at 12:00 just triplets and doubles inside quintuplets? awesome video, Glad to be part of the 99% of people who know about these things hahah
Hey Shawn, love the video! Had to watch it over and over again, but it's starting to make sense. Do you mind explaining the concept of slurring? I'm familiar with it on wind instruments, but not on the kit. Thanks!
Seconding this, Elliot Hoffman is a ridiculous drummer and everything that band does is insane. Shawn doesn't seem to cover much metal stuff but they're definitely worth looking into for sure.
Love the things you talk about this to, this is extremely informative and could be very beneficial at all levels (just got my degree in percussion, and I was still confused on the subject). I think it could be neat if you did a video outlining some of the rhythmic and musical choices of Tigran Hamasyan (his new song Levitation 21 seems to be pretty insane rhythmically). Thanks for the awesome, consistent content!
I love watching videos about super specific rhythms/polyrhythms/note groupings that are so unusual the chances of me encountering them or incorporating them into my own music are extremely minimal... it can’t just be me
4 роки тому
Man, that was intense! Im learning konakkol and I think a lot of this stuff can be aproached with it too, great video and awesome skills.
Does anyone have any suggestions on how to not lose the initial groove during the beat illusions as described on 3:43? I'm a keyboard player and I can do this kind of illusion without loosing the initial groove, but only when I play by myself and I have to concentrate really hard to do it. But when the drummer does the same thing, the beat illusion is so strong that I cannot do anything but feel the new groove and loose the initial one. I've tried practicing beat illusions with a metronome but it didn't help me to not get distracted by the new groove, it just pulls me away too much from the initial groove and I get lost.
Rather than the gymnast metaphor I would use "stuntman falling down the stairs". It looks like he's having a horrific accident falling down the stairs but everything is planned to the milimetre and he knows how to do it so as to not hurt himself.
Hello Shawn, great playing. More impressively though is your ability to explain this bin-fire of a subject succinctly. Can you help me please. I am putting together a video on polyclaves and would love to know what software you use to display the manuscript. I have got as far as exporting .png from sibelius into a paint program ,inverting the colours but the little curser that follows the music is beyond me currently. Best wishes to you. Pat
@@ShawnCrowder thank you Shawn. I was already giving the negative thing a go. It's far easier on the eye. Keep up the good work. I look forward to checking out your other pieces. Stay safe.
Hi Shawn! happy new year. After viewing this video a number of times it occured to me to ask you if you would ever provide a video breakdown on anything Aphex twin or Richard D James has done rhythmically?
Thanks for sharing. This must be a lot of work to write, hear and learn. There is one not so hard and very musical nested tuplet, that comes out when practicing 5 stroke rolls with normal accents on the single stroke. If one concentrates on hearing the accents while filling in the unaccented roll notes as evenly as possible, you can squeeze those accents to become dotted eights (like an accent on every 3rd 16th). Even if your video pushes this concept so far, it is more common and useful as it might appear.
Thank you for clarifying beaming rules. It has ALWAYS bothered me when a piece is written in 6/8 and they have eighth note duets but what they really mean is quarter note duplets since the eighth note duplets are slower than the normal eighth notes. Tuplets always speed up notes, not slow them down.
Oh my god Shawn, that was really insightful and mind boggling. It makes me wanna go practice these, but I've never worked on nested tuplets before. I'm very interested in how long it took for you to be so comfortable with all the different nested tuplets, along with putting everything together to play Polyriddim. How much practice was involved?
Could the nested septuplet from the “Black Page” example be interpreted as a 4:7 polyrhythm? If so then maybe practicing the individual polyrhythms (4:5, 4:7 and 4:11) would be a good way to prepare for playing nested tuplets.
I know :( Hopefully he will reprint them. In the meantime, maybe check his YT channel and/or some of the various courses he's now doing online. He also explains his odd-number counting system in a lesson set on the Drum Guru app (which is the same counting system he uses for tuplets)
![Lp. Сердце Вселенной #60 РОЖДЕНИЕ ЛОЛОЛОШКИ [Финал] • Майнкрафт](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/YoR0pAV9FVQ/mqdefault.jpg)
Check out Adam Neely's video talking about nested tuplets! ua-cam.com/video/0CX4cQvb7hE/v-deo.html
i was just about to accuse u of ripping adam off ... n the jury's sill not out on that
@@TalesFromTheNexus they're bandmates and adam uploaded his video literally on the same day, using footage from this video; there's no way shawn could have ripped adam off ya dingus
Hey Shawn, I love your videos! Will you make one on how to transcribe nested tuplets?
is it too late to ask to update the google drive link?
Watching Adam´s video: Oh I get it.
Watching Shawn´s: Oh I don´t get it again.
Exactly what I thought!!!
lol too real
You get it...this video is just a way more advanced/complicated breakdown of the same concepts from Adam's video. Same principles but this dude can do it so fast that even his analysis is like too much all at once for untrained listeners...he goes through years of learning in a short video. Like I'm trained/skilled and still have a hard time aurally following what I'm seeing on the screen. So don't beat yourself up 😊
i'm so insanely impressed by all of this, how you managed to perfectly transcribe everything and then play it flawlessly is beyond me. thank you for taking the time to do this, it really means the world. knowing someone else appreciates the intricacies of the tune makes it all worth it :) i'm extremely interested in seeing the whole process so i'll definitely be joining the patreon!! and if you ever wanna work on something together in the future just let me know!!
wow, thanks so much! I love the tune, and it's awesome to hear these ideas being used in a new + unique (and accessible) way. keep it up dude!
@@ShawnCrowder I scouted the comments hoping to see if you've seen this video, hats off to both you! I'd pin his comment, I doubt i'm the only one hoping to see his response!
Hi phone man
pin this
One video and it’s of MarioKart... Photon Music? I can’t believe it’s really you
Typical of Phonon - the tempo of 122.5 bpm is actually a septuplet on the standard dubstep tempo of 140bpm - he fits 7 beats in the same time he would usually fit 8 for a “standard” dubstep tune, so the bar line will still line up if mixed with other dubstep tunes by a DJ, that or it is a troll - absolute madness
That is wild.
me: *finally has a decent understanding of complex harmonic ideas*
also me: *is absolutely destroyed by the intricacies of rhythm theory*
its just divisions in time again, just much slower-
then again im proud i manage a 3:2 polyrhythm lol
Exact opposite for me
@@RefillerName ay same, although this is a bit too much for me...
Right? Drummers blow my mind with how fast and accurate they can reproduce such complex ideas.
I’m exactly the opposite - but then again I am a drummer. Lmao
How convenient that both he and Adam Neely both uploaded a video about Nested Tuplets within an hour. Love the video!
Repetition legitimizes
@@tomsentaylor1268 also, repetition legitimizes
Again, repetition legitimizes.
To repeat, repetition legitimizes
It’s worth mentioning repetition legitimizes.
_plays beat seemingly in 4/4_
_counts internaly in 7/Pi over sixtuplet polyrhythm_
I cannot believe it took this long. Nearly 20 years of dubstep before someone majorly released a song with all these crazy rhythms.
c'mon, only ten years really.
@@PieceOfDuke you're talking about 'bro'step, the kind of stuff dubstep evolved into after skrillex and the like. dubstep has existed since the 90s along with other genres like drum n bass or idm (or you could even go so far as to say it began in the 70s/80s with Kraftwerk or Esplendor Geometrico)
@@spitgorge2021 could you please provide a link to a couple of examples? From 2000 and 2005 approximately would be best. I'm very intrigued.
@@PieceOfDuke ua-cam.com/video/p6WJYe6n-l8/v-deo.html
This one was from 2005
@@koyangtsai thank you
It's crazy how you're able to coordinate all those irregular counting
Practice practice practice 🙌🏻, I dont ever see how its possible its crazy
14:14 bro the rhythm sounds so good
Your channel is the one I send to classical music friends when they say percussionists/drummers aint real musicians
ok son try this
someone does *actually* say percussionists are not real musicians?!
@@aloysiuskurnia7643 yes, frequently, if you live in a country where traditional genres are mostly played by families and groups of non-formally trained musicians
Brazilian composer Arthur Kampela has an interesting concept about nested tuplets called MICRO-METRIC MODULATION, i think you would dig it
Basically, let's say we have a group of eight note quintuplets (5:4), but the last two notes we play as three eight notes (3:2). Now, we have another group of tuplets, but we have eight note sextuplets (6:4), but the first 4 notes of those sextuplets, we play as 5 notes (5:4)
Since the fractions mutilpy to the same value (5/4 x 3/2 = 6/4 x 5/4), the last three notes of the first group and the first 5 notes of the second group last the same time, so we can move between the two groups with ease, kind of a metric modulation but in the nested tuplet level
in short: 4 5
first group (triplet inside a quintuplet) - 1 2 3 (| | |)
1 2 3 4
second group (quintuplet inside a sextuplet) - (I I I I I) 5 6
the notes in parenthesis have the same duration, so we could even pass a new tuplet between these two groups of equal duration notes
wow, this is interesting
I love this kind of thing. It grooves super hard, and to me is a great example of using rhythm for tension/release. I'm fairly certain Richard Vreeland (AKA Disasterpeace) uses this in a number of his tracks, but I can't recall specifics off the top of my head. More than likely I'm thinking of something from his album "Level."
Adam briefly explains the concept and and tries to demonstrate it in Ableton Live while Shawn really goes into detail and like his other videos explains it from a perspective of a 'rhythm geek'
Thanks, Shawn
Really enjoyed the video!
Brain-ass Hot Take: All music is nested tuplets when you zoom out. Think about it, yo
"The extratone perspective"
Everything is in 15/16 if you try hard enough
or if you're bad enough
in the beat... of life
I mean yeah
There is a edm-y song called Midnight Sun (ft Ekcle) made by Vorso that also uses weird polyrhytms but is easier to perform. I'd loooove to see it performed by Sungazer. Hope you'll notice it
wow, it never came to my mind that those were polyrhythms
Thanks for letting us know that this exists. It's fantastic!
i fucking love vorso
Yeah. Ekcle do a lot of polyrythms and polymetres.
Helter by culprate would also be awesome to see
Now thomas haake's going to play that with his feet
I've watched the final performance like a hundred times, it's incredible! 13:29 It's so fascinating to see music explained like this, it totally changes your experience of it.
3:52 his left foot keeping quarter notes going over top of the groove is BONKERS
That’s pretty much proof that he knows exactly what he’s doing cause he had to learn the relationships between the underlying pulse and all the insane rhythms.
As a nonmusician who nonetheless is compelled to sing along with difficult Zappa pieces, it's interesting finding out where I was fudging on the Black Page. I mean, aside from the parts where I just stop and try and come back in at the right time.
try counting or looking at the sheet music.
Just listening to this makes me exhausted.
How many times during this did you think to yourself "is this really worth the meme?"
Btw, here's something fun - Shawn currently had 44.1k subs.
"Dude you should totally switch over to 48k, it makes the music so much clearer"
Dude your videos are so goddamn amazing, incredibly well produced!
You are cursing them? interesting mind set.
adam neely videos in sync i see
The metaphor at 10:00 is really great. I always have trouble explaining to friends why math music is even worth it, other than that it can exist, so this helps.
Wow. I think you have the most advanced lessons, and you pull them off flawlessly. Much respect sir.
this is like the most valuable channel on youtube, everything is just so valuable
dude you're amazing not only are you one of the best drummers I know of but your videos are also of such high quality it's insane
much love
Your knowledge and ability to play music is miles ahead of mine so I can't completely grasp the concepts yet, however I find it truly amazing and fascinating.
I admire how you talk about something so overwhelmingly complicated with such simplycity.
I so appreciate what you and Adam do! I’ve learned so much watching your videos! And that says a lot! My last foray into musical study was in high school in the 1980’s! You’ve both really encouraged me to start studying again! Thanks!!
i gotta say for composing that while nested tuplets are fun to look at, getting the effect is more fun using nested tempo modulation (the instrument that's playing 'hears' a metronome of a changing tempo while the rest of them hear a steady one). this can be with a free running LFO, or by freezing audio written with actual tempo modulation, easiest accomplished in a tracker. see also continuous Risset rhythms, the tempo version of a sheppard tone.
Okay. Insta-sub. Goddamn. That was just godly rhythm management.
Dub step dude definitelyyy just highlighted a series of notes & used the stretch notes feature in Ableton on the grid.
So sick! You should post the performance in a separate video - I think theres a good amount of viral potential here.
Wow wow wow, Adam's video was my first exposure to nested tuplets, and then this video blew it wide open. I'm astounded that anyone can accurately play these. Great explanation, and amazing work! I learned a lot from the theory, and then was dumbstruck by the performance
I've been waiting for this since Adam's video
I dont play as much as I used to but I still love learning music theory. Thank you so much for this information. People spend their entire lives never learning about this stuff and here you are breaking it down in such a succinct and digestible way.
Thanks again!
Me: *trying to focus on the test*
My brain: 0:43
great video! thanks!
That is way out there amongst the craziest things I've seen i thought i was exploring riddims but this work Shawn does is at a new level, Frank Zappa was so far ahead all that time ago
no he wasn't and he knew it as he admitted in many interviews he was hacky - .. he was literally aping the people he was obsessed with from a century before him. Difference was he just used electrified amplified digitized equipment and pop culture charting .
I wanted a video on how to play nested tuplets. UA-cam said, "here you go." Justified its existence once again!
Killer overview of a serious rabbit hole of a topic! Monstrously accurate playing too 👏
This has completely baked my noodle. Be back in a year....
Ever since I've read Steve Vai's pieces on nested tuplets some ~18 years ago and really got into Zappa, I've wanted to dive deeper and learn to actually play them, not just understand the concept. With your video - I think I finally have no excuse not to learn it anymore :D Thanks, man - awesome stuff (and props to Adam as well)!
Early Caligula's Horse ("Moments from Ephemeral City") and Aviations ("A Declaration of Sound", "The Light Years") are two examples of prog-metal bands where you can clearly hear the Zappa influence with the nested tuplets. Love it :)
the real groove were the nested tuplets we made along the way
I’ve been looking for the beaming rules for ages. Thank you so much for making this video so entertaining and informative!
Thank you for posting this, Shawn! I am a beginner at drums and the practice tips that you share have been very inspiring.
Am I the only one who noticed the car horn at the very end of the video?
Yeah, why has no one else mentioned that
this is melting my classical violist brain
Quick note, most of the notes that you excluded on the downbeats are actually there, they’re just hard to hear because of sidechaining. The higher layer gets quiet when the kick happens, but it’s still technically there.
I would love to see you break down The Dance of Eternity, there are so many performances on UA-cam, but nothing that really elucidates how to approach learning or playing such a piece.
I'm getting further all the time. Have watched 30 minutes of this video and reached the 3rd minute without having to go back to the beginning because I got lost!
That was a superb video! Thanks for illustrating the principles behind these figures and more importantly, a how-to achieve playing them. Thanks
Mad kudos for transcribing this!
so is the groovy section with nested tuplets at 12:00 just triplets and doubles inside quintuplets? awesome video, Glad to be part of the 99% of people who know about these things hahah
Check the description, its in there
Crowder you're an utter madman! I love it!
This is great! Thanks for all the effort you put in to learn and make this.
The end of this video is the meanest and most well-earned stank-face of all time.
Im excited for the Sungazer product of this simultaneous study!!!
Thank you so much! So useful✨
This video is already giving me ideas for my electronic stuff. Great look into the concept!
Hey Shawn, love the video! Had to watch it over and over again, but it's starting to make sense. Do you mind explaining the concept of slurring? I'm familiar with it on wind instruments, but not on the kit. Thanks!
I think you'd really like Car Bomb, they're insane and I hope you even do a video of them :D
Seconding this, Elliot Hoffman is a ridiculous drummer and everything that band does is insane. Shawn doesn't seem to cover much metal stuff but they're definitely worth looking into for sure.
@@TheSquareOnes you're right, Shawn's not into metal, but hopefully he can do it
I have no idea what your channel is like outside of this but dammit, man, you earned the sub. Just take it. Take the damn sub.
Mind blowing. Excellent work!
Love your vids shawn!!
Love the things you talk about this to, this is extremely informative and could be very beneficial at all levels (just got my degree in percussion, and I was still confused on the subject). I think it could be neat if you did a video outlining some of the rhythmic and musical choices of Tigran Hamasyan (his new song Levitation 21 seems to be pretty insane rhythmically). Thanks for the awesome, consistent content!
Drum Set is not "Percussion" though -- homie. Drum Set is its own separate Principal Instrument.
You are the man, Shawn! Amazing
Awesome playing Shawn.
I love watching videos about super specific rhythms/polyrhythms/note groupings that are so unusual the chances of me encountering them or incorporating them into my own music are extremely minimal... it can’t just be me
Man, that was intense! Im learning konakkol and I think a lot of this stuff can be aproached with it too, great video and awesome skills.
Does anyone have any suggestions on how to not lose the initial groove during the beat illusions as described on 3:43? I'm a keyboard player and I can do this kind of illusion without loosing the initial groove, but only when I play by myself and I have to concentrate really hard to do it. But when the drummer does the same thing, the beat illusion is so strong that I cannot do anything but feel the new groove and loose the initial one. I've tried practicing beat illusions with a metronome but it didn't help me to not get distracted by the new groove, it just pulls me away too much from the initial groove and I get lost.
Rather than the gymnast metaphor I would use "stuntman falling down the stairs". It looks like he's having a horrific accident falling down the stairs but everything is planned to the milimetre and he knows how to do it so as to not hurt himself.
11:02 Danny Carey actually does something a lot like this in a Tool song. Can't remember which one though.
"Rosetta Stoned" probably
@@chippchipp1 Yeah, probably the tom roll around 3:00 on Rosetta Stoned.
Jesus Christ, Shawn you’re a beast
So ripe for exploration! Love it!
Fantastic Video!! Didnt understand it all but i will watch it again! Great Job on explaining this weird stuff!:D Congrats!
Wow, really cool and amazing and not only for drummers! Well explained. Thanks for sharing
Cool. Electronic music is going through its “New Complexity” phase. Great video. I learned a lit
i think the 7 part is actually in 7/3.5, the producer confirmed the "tempo change" is related from half-note septuplets (that last two bars of 4/4)
THIS IS SUCH A GOOD VIDEO!
Hello Shawn, great playing. More impressively though is your ability to explain this bin-fire of a subject succinctly. Can you help me please. I am putting together a video on polyclaves and would love to know what software you use to display the manuscript. I have got as far as exporting .png from sibelius into a paint program ,inverting the colours but the little curser that follows the music is beyond me currently. Best wishes to you. Pat
Hi Pat. It's just a screen recording of playback in MuseScore. Then I edit it in FCPX to give it the look it has here.
@@ShawnCrowder thank you Shawn. I was already giving the negative thing a go. It's far easier on the eye. Keep up the good work. I look forward to checking out your other pieces. Stay safe.
seeing rests where the kick sidechains the bass makes me smile
Are you a god of metrum and rhytm or what?
Insane...
Hi Shawn! happy new year. After viewing this video a number of times it occured to me to ask you if you would ever provide a video breakdown on anything Aphex twin or Richard D James has done rhythmically?
Thanks for sharing. This must be a lot of work to write, hear and learn. There is one not so hard and very musical nested tuplet, that comes out when practicing 5 stroke rolls with normal accents on the single stroke. If one concentrates on hearing the accents while filling in the unaccented roll notes as evenly as possible, you can squeeze those accents to become dotted eights (like an accent on every 3rd 16th). Even if your video pushes this concept so far, it is more common and useful as it might appear.
This is mindblowing and fascinating.
Thank you for clarifying beaming rules. It has ALWAYS bothered me when a piece is written in 6/8 and they have eighth note duets but what they really mean is quarter note duplets since the eighth note duplets are slower than the normal eighth notes. Tuplets always speed up notes, not slow them down.
why on earth wouldn't you notate that as a doted quaver?
You’re the BEST! 👍✌️👌
This really tested my nuplets
I feel like this is what it is to be a master's-level percussion major.
Finally, a song I can dance to.
How much harder does it get when you start triple nesting tuplets? what about quadruple and beyond? Has this ever been done?
It really depends on the tuplet; technically 32nd notes are 2lets inside 2lets inside 2lets. For anything complicated it gets ridiculous fast.
Brian Ferneyhough is the man. I think he has triple nested stuff in his chamber string music.
@@_cynth_wave yeah i mean odd tuplets (or at least tuplets with an odd prime factor)
@@ec0ec0ec000 In his later stuff like "Quirl" for piano he's been going to 6 or 7 levels in certain regular patterns. Very curious and interesting.
Incredible lesson
Great job man
Oh my god Shawn, that was really insightful and mind boggling. It makes me wanna go practice these, but I've never worked on nested tuplets before. I'm very interested in how long it took for you to be so comfortable with all the different nested tuplets, along with putting everything together to play Polyriddim. How much practice was involved?
2:53 pass the god-damn butter
@14:15 this part is hypnotic
Could the nested septuplet from the “Black Page” example be interpreted as a 4:7 polyrhythm? If so then maybe practicing the individual polyrhythms (4:5, 4:7 and 4:11) would be a good way to prepare for playing nested tuplets.
Is there a good book for this? I can’t find Mike Mangini’s rhythm knowledge volume 2 anywhere. Great vid as always 👍🏻
I know :( Hopefully he will reprint them. In the meantime, maybe check his YT channel and/or some of the various courses he's now doing online. He also explains his odd-number counting system in a lesson set on the Drum Guru app (which is the same counting system he uses for tuplets)
Shawn Crowder thanks very much my friend stay safe! 👍🏻
This stuff is fucking crazy!!! You really pushed yourself to the limit to play this thing
That video playing while Adam talks destroyed me. 9:00.